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Sprite Can
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Posted - 2012.02.09 16:59:00 -
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Yep, that's kind of the point of EVE. Not sure what inclined you to believe otherwise. Refreshing Lemon-Lime~ |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
345
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:19:00 -
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Nice catch!
Valei Khurelem wrote: This is why a large number of EVE players aren't bothering coming to the forums anymore Good, the fewer hisec nobodies who come to the forums means the fewer who pay attention to CSM and thus will be in for a pleasant surprise when the next round of hisec nerfs are announced. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
Spyolz Rotsuda
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:28:00 -
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This IS a PvP game, whether you like it or not, if not, get the **** out. Industry. mining, complex running etc, are all just ways of supporting the war and pvp effort. imo almost every PvE aspect of the game is focused on supporting your PvP efforts, of course there is place for everyone in the game, people do whatever they want, thats what an MMO is for, if you want to mine but you keep getting wardecced then stay in a NPC corp, as simple as that, even then you will prolly get suicide ganked, this is the way it is when you play a PvP game.
IF you dont like it, its just a matter of going back to the masses of 10 year olds of WoW where you get a huge cookie regardless if you won or not. EvE takes your cookie and laughs at you for bringing one. |
Borun Tal
Cubicle Warriors from 'merica
43
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:32:00 -
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Hey, OP, does your life suck so much that you have to resort to posting troll threads ("awsum"?) on game websites?
Check into that whole "life" thing, stat. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
950
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:35:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Nice catch! Valei Khurelem wrote: This is why a large number of EVE players aren't bothering coming to the forums anymore Good, the fewer hisec nobodies who come to the forums means the fewer who pay attention to CSM and thus will be in for a pleasant surprise when the next round of hisec nerfs are announced.
Yeah, he beat me to it.
I'd like to give the OP troll points... but this one doesn't really make it all the way into the ranking system except possibly as an honorable mention.
Still... When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
146
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:38:00 -
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No, Op EVE is not forced PvP
It's forced PvE
Its the only way to make ISK. Most people who come expect to PvP but spend 90% of thier time grinding ISK.
You, in your defence, didn't get to do either. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
127
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:56:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:If it's wardecs you're worried about the solution is quite simple: 1) NPC corp that cannot be wardecced 2) a respectable corp that wont be wardecced because they're too much of a threat 3) grow some balls and fight back Quote:I wanted to be a miner - why can i not play how i want to?
4) Become mobile, taunt your attackers, discover that they don't want to work for their food. Ok, maybe not taunt them, that is probably why you are getting decced (for the tears),but don't let them get to you.
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=969783&page=2
^^^ When I was a young miner I had a similar problem (sorry for the horribly typos and crap, my posts start about 1/3 of the way down page 2). In the end I actually made a lot more isk from my adventure than had I stayed in a static location, I had a better infrastructure set up when I was done(two separate fleets), and we actually had a lot of people join the corp afterwards.
Otherwise, rotate corps to dodge decs. You have a couple alts, have them make a corp. When you get decced on one, go to the other. It'll cost you only 1.5 million isk per corp to create it. That way you can dodge missions taxes (my corp is just a tax shelter). Otherwise join an NPC corp again.
At this point you need to move out of your current area if you should want to stay, especially now that you are a tear target. If you do really leave, your cries will be lost in the sea of angry players you never understood what Eve was about and got mad that someone kicked over your sandcastle.
Why are my neocom icons so tiny? Oh, you can widen and narrow the bar. Cool.-á |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.02.09 18:04:00 -
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Eve is like the wild wild west. Anything and everything goes. You don't have to PVP but you do have to protect your ****.
Look at it this way, if you go to the wrong part of St. Louis in a nice shiny car and start goofing off, you will be ganked in a heartbeat. On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2012.02.09 18:16:00 -
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Repeat after me folks, CCP has a large PR problem they need to deal with. Also people leave the game when their player communities cease to exist. |
Alistair Cononach
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
120
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Posted - 2012.02.09 18:18:00 -
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Lady Vella wrote:So
I started EvE Online a few months back. I was told by a friend who lives in deep null that it was an awsum game and since we both quit WoW when cata came out i thought hell ill try it
So...
Every corp i have joined has been war decced within 2-3 days of me joining it. What im told are griefer corps
I wanted to be a miner - why can i not play how i want to?
I am being forced into war and pvp
Im done
CCP your game is a pile of **** and ill be publicly slamming it on every website i am a member of
Pathetic
Probably a mistake, but will treat as non-troll....
1. A Hostile War-Dec does not cause your Mining Laser I's to no longer function. A few very basic precautions on your part, and you could have mined away the day in relative safety. First, go to a low-population, or better yet, an empty system. PLenty low-pop systems about. Undock, go mine, keep one eye on local for War Targets. If one enters the system, dock. If he camps you, either wait, or log for 5-10 min. Odds are, he'll get bored and move on. When you log back in, change systems (don;t be a target).
2. A War Dec does not force you into PvP. It merely allows PvP to occur in High-Sec between the parties. Your actions, or lack of actions, are what will lead to PvP or not.
3. If War Dec's are too much, remaining a member of the NPC Corp eliminates teh trheat of War Dec's and High-Sec War-related PvP.
4. EVE is built around there being no 100% safe existence, and even as a miner mining away the day, you're still PvP'ing. PvP'ing when you sell your minerals on the market. PvP'ing if you use your mins to build ships for sale or corporate use. PvP'ing when you mine a good roid some other miner may have wanted.
5. Not every game is for every player. Perhaps WoW, or similar no-risk, PvE-centric style MMO's are more your speed. No harm in that, to each their own. Because EVE may not be suited to your preferences, does not mean "slamming it on every forum" is a mature or approrpriate thing to do. Why rage? Just move on to something else, plenty of games in the world, and many let you "just mine" with no risk involved.
Best of luck if serious, diaf if troll. |
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sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
147
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Posted - 2012.02.09 18:31:00 -
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Bischopt wrote:If it's wardecs you're worried about the solution is quite simple: 1) NPC corp that cannot be wardecced 2) a respectable corp that wont be wardecced because they're too much of a threat 3) grow some balls and fight backQuote:I wanted to be a miner - why can i not play how i want to? You can. And so can everyone else, that's the whole point. Eve is a sandbox, unlike wow. CCP may not be perfect and they've made some pretty nasty mistakes, some of which are still fresh, but Eve as a whole is not one of them. You're the one with the problem, not CCP.
some people dont like fighting, what is it about that people dont get? Eve has mining for a reason, it actually isn't all bots you know. |
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
60
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Posted - 2012.02.09 18:33:00 -
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OP is trolling, get a life. |
BuckStrider
Hardcore p0wnography Dark Knights of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.02.09 18:47:00 -
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Lady Vella wrote:So
I started EvE Online a few months back. I was told by a friend who lives in deep null that it was an awsum game and since we both quit WoW when cata came out i thought hell ill try it
So...
Every corp i have joined has been war decced within 2-3 days of me joining it. What im told are griefer corps
I wanted to be a miner - why can i not play how i want to?
I am being forced into war and pvp
Im done
CCP your game is a pile of **** and ill be publicly slamming it on every website i am a member of
Pathetic
It's a good thing your quitting as it is clearly obvious that this game is just WAAAAY too advanced for you. WoW is clearly more of your intellegence level and you should stick to games such as that.
I hear Star Trek Online is looking for players...That's more your speed as well.
I'd say "Can I haz yer stuff" since you only played a few weeks you probably have **** anyway. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
951
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:04:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Bischopt wrote:If it's wardecs you're worried about the solution is quite simple: 1) NPC corp that cannot be wardecced 2) a respectable corp that wont be wardecced because they're too much of a threat 3) grow some balls and fight backQuote:I wanted to be a miner - why can i not play how i want to? You can. And so can everyone else, that's the whole point. Eve is a sandbox, unlike wow. CCP may not be perfect and they've made some pretty nasty mistakes, some of which are still fresh, but Eve as a whole is not one of them. You're the one with the problem, not CCP. some people dont like fighting, what is it about that people dont get? Eve has mining for a reason, it actually isn't all bots you know.
In reality, the actual definition of mining in EVE is "procuring minerals from asteroids while avoiding hostile/pirate craft that wish to prevent them from doing so".
Regardless of how it is interpreted, this is how things actually work in game. You either come to terms wtih that, or you chose a profession that does not require undocking. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team The Irukandji
329
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:07:00 -
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lol This is an open world, PVP game. Coming into the game thinking otherwise is your fault. Please enjoy your stay in World of Fruitycolors.
Fly Safe, Die Hard
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Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
48
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:07:00 -
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I just don't get why people think a space game should have 100% safe spots. There are thousands of space movies out there and I would bet, 99% of them show that space is not safe On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:09:00 -
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Lyron-Baktos wrote:I just don't get why people think a space game should have 100% safe spots. There are thousands of space movies out there and I would bet, 99% of them show that space is not safe
The point isn't that space should be safe, that's what none of you get, the point is you get to attack people without any repercussions especially if people are playing the game in small gangs or solo and that's what pisses people off.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
951
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:14:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Lyron-Baktos wrote:I just don't get why people think a space game should have 100% safe spots. There are thousands of space movies out there and I would bet, 99% of them show that space is not safe The point isn't that space should be safe, that's what none of you get, the point is you get to attack people without any repercussions especially if people are playing the game in small gangs or solo and that's what pisses people off.
But there ARE repercussions... you just don't think they are severe enough.
Most people think that they ARE severe enough, especially if the most basic steps are taken to ensure that you do not become a victim.
Game mechanics should never prevent your ship from being destroyable if you insist on sitting in one spot, in a vulnerable ship, fitted purely for maximum profit, with no thought devoted to defense or evasion should you be attacked. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
OldMan Gana
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:18:00 -
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4 pages too..... " I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1211
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:23:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Nice catch! Valei Khurelem wrote: This is why a large number of EVE players aren't bothering coming to the forums anymore Good, the fewer hisec nobodies who come to the forums means the fewer who pay attention to CSM and thus will be in for a pleasant surprise when the next round of hisec nerfs are announced. Yeah, he beat me to it. I'd like to give the OP troll points... but this one doesn't really make it all the way into the ranking system except possibly as an honorable mention. Still...
The question is: Why?
Why would someone with an alt who is into PVP try a troll thread like this?
Is there some kind of disease going around? I try to find a reason to do something like this, based on some kind of reward, and can't think of any.
To fully understand the troll mind might be difficult, like trying to understand a pathological liar perhaps.
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arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
66
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:28:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:You're going to get trolled :( Sorry to see you go, but I'm planning on buying PLEX with the ISK I make just so I can stick around here laughing at the PvPers as they kill their game.
and i plan on selling you the PLEX I make with RL money so you can grind it all for me |
Valei Khurelem
292
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:34:00 -
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oooo! How much do you want for it? :D
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
39
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:34:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Nice catch! Valei Khurelem wrote: This is why a large number of EVE players aren't bothering coming to the forums anymore Good, the fewer hisec nobodies who come to the forums means the fewer who pay attention to CSM and thus will be in for a pleasant surprise when the next round of hisec nerfs are announced. Yeah, he beat me to it. I'd like to give the OP troll points... but this one doesn't really make it all the way into the ranking system except possibly as an honorable mention. Still... The question is: Why? Why would someone with an alt who is into PVP try a troll thread like this? Is there some kind of disease going around? I try to find a reason to do something like this, based on some kind of reward, and can't think of any. To fully understand the troll mind might be difficult, like trying to understand a pathological liar perhaps.
I believe the 4 pages of responses answers your question. OP knew that people would jump all over this and start reciting the Eve national Anthem "Eve Is Harsh". This was done for the lulz. |
Valei Khurelem
292
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:40:00 -
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Quote: I believe the 4 pages fo responses answers your question. OP knew that people would jump all over this and start reciting the Eve national Anthem "Eve Is Harsh". This was done for the lulz.
It is **** easy to troll these lot.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Billionaire Carebear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:54:00 -
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Micheal Dietrich wrote:This was done for the lulz.
Null Sec = The Game Lulz Sec = The Forums
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_law http://krypto451.deviantart.com/art/Care-Bears-Spanking-168001373 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh0Uu1yD-v0 -áGeorge Carlin "They're Just Words." |
arcca jeth
Dark Alliance Dark Empire Alliance
66
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:59:00 -
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Fouljin wrote:
Here is how to survive null mining while in war and other stuff.
- Choose suitable roidbelt in the system your corp/aliance has a POS / station. - Use Hulk with tank! You need tank to repell those fat rats that spawn on belts. - Always, always keep aligned to station / pos for quick espace. - Have a corp mate / alt to do the hauling. - Train scanning skills and look for gravsite, even more safe as it takes a while for enemy so scan you down when they enter the system, if they even bother to do that, gives you more time to espace back to pos / station.
- Remember, in Eve things take time. There is NO shortcuts. Plan your skill training at least 6 months ahead, I prefer one year.
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there's a little more to it then that....
Yes, have fun finding a hulk in 0.0 lol better be blue to SOV holding alliance with stations and a healthy market to pull that off. not to mention it take a month or so to train up to fly one...
and yes there ARE shortcuts in EVE for the impatient. Spend $200 on PLEX, redeem in JITA sell to market. then buy a character for sale using ISK (careful not to get scammed)....hell, you might only need $100 depending on the price of the character in ISK, either way, YES there are shortcuts.
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Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2012.02.09 19:59:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:You're going to get trolled :( Sorry to see you go, but I'm planning on buying PLEX with the ISK I make just so I can stick around here laughing at the PvPers as they kill their game.
You found another likeminded sniveller.... |
Minabunny
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.02.09 20:11:00 -
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Stay in an NPC corp and you won't have to deal with wars. You can still get 'ganked' it's just not as often unless you venture down to low sec. If you want to fly in low sec just pay attention to local, make yourself a safe spot and keep aligned to it. Then get out of the area ASAP when someone hostile comes in the area. You can avoid most confrontations if you're prepared.
I've been an avid pvper since I started playing online RPGs in the 90's (AOL NWN). That being said as much as people like to say this is the best PvP game it's the only game I don't participate in PvP. I don't find the PvP here entertaining or rewarding. I could not care less about some 'kill mail' and I find attacking players that have no chance of fighting back cowardly. Fighting for territory I see as purposeful but staring at an overview screen and a bunch of red + signs just turns me off combine that with you don't even really 'fly' your ship. Blah Boring.
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Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
219
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Posted - 2012.02.09 20:12:00 -
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Neither char actually seems to PvP though, at least there's no combat record around. Maybe the alt was just saying they are into PvP to get access to something or try to hide in a PvP corp to mine, its common enough.
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Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
40
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Posted - 2012.02.09 20:14:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote: I believe the 4 pages fo responses answers your question. OP knew that people would jump all over this and start reciting the Eve national Anthem "Eve Is Harsh". This was done for the lulz.
It is **** easy to troll these lot.
Ironically you were the first hit in this thread. |
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