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Kopfy
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Posted - 2012.03.03 20:12:00 -
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Maybe have faction full body war paints in the faction LP stores. Like blood raiders blood dripping paint for your ship and then about everything else mentioned in this thread. |
Digital Messiah
Heroic Era
133
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Posted - 2012.03.03 20:34:00 -
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I support this thread. And there should be standard faction logos you can choose from and use. Like brutor tribe and such, if you don't want to use a custom logo. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn" Enter a Heroic Era Today |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
182
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Posted - 2012.03.03 20:37:00 -
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didnt read all the posts its 8 pages come on.
would rather have ship painting when they were working on WIS for the first few years of the 5 wasted on it.
jus sayin |
Mac Tir
State War Academy Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.03.03 21:33:00 -
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I'm not really into the idea of custom paintjobs.
Eve has a very distinct look within the MMO platform and by handing out crayons this is likely to go up in smoke. Before anything else, Eve is a beautiful game, so I see no need to pollute this with pink paintjobs and comedy cocks emblazoned upon every spare patch of a ships hull. I'm sure many players will find this sort of thing hilarious but then not everyone finds the American Pie franchise life affirming. Add into the mix the opportunity for people to scrawl any sort of bigoted, sexist junk across their space camouflage and you have a recipe for disaster. This may be the worst case scenario but if you give players even basic versions of these tools they will figure it out.
So, T'amber...
I think CCP needs to meet the playerbase half way. Here's my suggestion:
Allow ships to be re-skinned using pre-made paintjobs that are linked to that ships relevant faction.
We saw the potential of this with the Scorpion hull when it was re-designed with the various house colours. Allow CCP to have some fun creating colour schemes for Sarum Family, Federation Navy, Thukker Mix etc. Use Serpentis and the other pirate factions to push things a little further; Jackson Pollock meets Sansha; really make them unique and wild compared to their law abiding foes. This way you get a whole host of variety and new content whilst reinforcing the ethos and composition of New Eden, and avoid tarnishing a beautiful picture almost a decade in the making. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
832
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:23:00 -
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Survey done.
Awesome job, thank you.
+1 |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics Bringers of Death.
593
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Posted - 2012.03.03 22:45:00 -
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Sweetest Kiss wrote:Would be absolutely great, but I do hope all these customizable features will be VERY expansive, like 50Mil ISK per logo you upload and so forth.
So the paint on a Hurricane is supposed to cost more than the actual ship? Derp derp. No.
Keep it cheap and fun. Let people have a feature they can enjoy without worrying about getting isk-raped. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
833
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Posted - 2012.03.04 11:40:00 -
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Jada Maroo wrote:Sweetest Kiss wrote:Would be absolutely great, but I do hope all these customizable features will be VERY expansive, like 50Mil ISK per logo you upload and so forth.
So the paint on a Hurricane is supposed to cost more than the actual ship? Derp derp. No. Keep it cheap and fun. Let people have a feature they can enjoy without worrying about getting isk-raped.
This would be nice.
I'm very sure whenever you start hearing the *BZZzzzzzzZZZZzzzz* proper to goons fleets you can expect to see hundreds of pink Drakes and Canes, it's ok, they'll be easier to target |
hired goon
Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix
55
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Posted - 2012.03.04 14:31:00 -
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Fantastic, thank you T'Amber.
Question: Will we see the results of the survey?
Thanks. |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
494
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Posted - 2012.03.04 21:51:00 -
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hired goon wrote:Fantastic, thank you T'Amber.
Question: Will we see the results of the survey?
Thanks.
Sure will, we're still short by about 1100 participants however and I'm hoping to fix that next week - however I'll post the current results for you later today.
T'amber for CSM7 - Ship and Client Customisation Take part in the 2min Ship Customisation Survey www.tinyurl.com/shipcustomisation
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T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
494
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Posted - 2012.03.04 22:19:00 -
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Which of the following answers best describes how you feel about Ship Customisation? -I'd like to be able to customise my ship's visual appearance but not at the expense of server load(66.0%) -I'd like to be able to customise my ship's visual appearance and I don't care how its done or what it costs, aslong as it happens(21.6%) -I'm not interested in ship customisation but I don't mind if they introduced it to the game(7.9%) -I'm not interested in ship customisation, CCP's time would be best spent elsewhere.(4.5%)
Customisation Options -The colour options you can chose from to paint your ship should be restricted by the hulls class or race so that Eve's art integrity is left intact(48.8%) -There should be an unrestricted amount of colour options for repainting my ship(25.2%) -There should be an unrestricted amount of colour options for repainting my ship excluding colour reserved for t2 variants of that hull(17.7%) -Paint options should be restricted to pre-designed themes made by CCP staff Members(8.3%)
Customisation Availability -I should be able to customise any ship(82.0%) -Only T1 hulls should be able to have custom paintjobs(10.1%) -A limited amount of existing ships should be able to be customised(5.4%) -A new type or class of ship based off existing hulls should be created and only those can be customised(1.5%) -A new type or class of ship should be created and only they can be customised(1.0%)
Payment Methods -I should be able to pay for this service directly with isk(61.6%) -This service should not be restricted to a specific model(18.0%) -This service should use a mixed payment method(13.0%) -This service should cost Aurum only(7.0%) -This service should use a Plex payment model only(0.4%)
Ship Destruction -Ship destruction destroys the ship but not any custom designs applied to it, so they can be used on another ship later(50.6%) -Ship destruction should completely destroy any custom designs applied to it(49.4%)
^^ Huh?? :|
Customisation and Design Rights -Everyone should have the same rights to designs and colouring options(54.7%) -Pilots, Corporations and Alliances should be able to buy the rights to a specific design with upkeep costs(45.3%)
Client Options -Pilots should be able to turn this feature off(57.6%) -Pilots should be able to turn off some features, but it should still be obvious that a ship has been customised(32.2%) -Pilots should not able to turn this feature off(10.2%)
The Market -Customised ships should be able to be sold or traded(77.2%) -Customised ships should not be able to be sold or traded(22.8%)
Manufacturing -You should only be able to design a custom ship from within a specially designed menu(33.8%) -I don't know how the mechanics of this feature would work, I trust CCP to figure it out(27.6%) -I should be able to customise my ship with new items that are tradable on the market, can be fit onto new slots on my ship, and created using normal manufacturing methods.(23.0%) -I don't care how its done as long as I can customise my ship(15.6%) T'amber for CSM7 - Ship and Client Customisation Take part in the 2min Ship Customisation Survey www.tinyurl.com/shipcustomisation
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Aeon Noblemagus
Victory Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.03.04 22:28:00 -
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maybe the cost of the paint job could be something like free for frigates then increasing in price for both size and tech type of the ship, for example t1 cruiser costs 5% of its hull for a new paint job but a T2 costs 7-10% and faction 7-15%? this way it still keeps it cheap and doable but still makes faction/t2 ships still feel special. and it would be nice if you didn't want a new paint job and your personal/corp/alliance or a mixer of all 3 on the base paint job?
That way you can your personal picture/emblem on your fancy faction pimped up ships and your corp/alliance logo on generic hulls |
Asudem
Asen of Asgard
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Posted - 2012.03.05 09:43:00 -
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This feature is just what I looking forward to! Please add it soon, CCP. :) |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
182
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Posted - 2012.03.05 12:29:00 -
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Some of those ships look awesome.
I would love to customize my own ship but maybe it would be better for the game if you had to learn new skills and use a new station/POS service to do it.... |
Prototype Delta
Prototype Research and Technologies United Homeworlds
0
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Posted - 2012.03.05 17:57:00 -
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is it strange the i get hard looking at those? |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
504
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Posted - 2012.03.05 20:55:00 -
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Prototype Delta wrote:is it strange the i get hard looking at those?
Every time I look at them, I must rub my thigh five times or my family will die.
not really no :) T'amber for CSM7 - Ship and Client Customisation Take part in the 2min Ship Customisation Survey www.tinyurl.com/shipcustomisation
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Dasquirrel715
Universalis Imperium Tactical Narcotics Team
15
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Posted - 2012.03.06 04:48:00 -
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To be honest, I don't really see why people are so against something like ship customization going into the microtransaction system. This is the kind of thing that system was designed to deal with and to be honest, spending a dollar or so on a superWTF awesome ship color scheme only benefits CCP if it is done through the aurum system. And if you are one of the many thousands who buy plex with ISK then this system is no different than ISK for ship designs. Personally, let CCP use their micro transaction system for something that is as innocent as ship customization.
EDIT- In the realm of corp/alliance/coalition logos, those should be done through isk, simply because they affect large numbers of people. |
Alpha Wolfgang
Two Brothers Mining Corp. GIANTSBANE.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.06 06:23:00 -
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i would really like ship customization. i believe it would need the option to turn it off and return ships to their normal colors (for fleet fights) but when im roaming around it would be a fun feature.
i am curious how much strain that would put on the server though, loading each custom paint job :P
thumbs up for ship customization! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
67
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Posted - 2012.03.06 16:29:00 -
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I think this would be a great idea, and I personally like the interface shown in the OP's post.
(I'm also kind of curious as to how those were done) Support showing T2 and faction frequency crystal damage in the info window! |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
516
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Posted - 2012.03.10 02:49:00 -
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About 500 or so more participants required to reach the target level.
Thanks to everyone whos been taking part.
Regards, T'amber
T'amber for CSM7 - Ship and Client Customisation Take part in the 2min Ship Customisation Survey www.tinyurl.com/shipcustomisation
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Flatline.
44
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Posted - 2012.03.10 03:55:00 -
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mmmmm ... Pink Scorpion ... do want. |
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T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
516
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Posted - 2012.03.10 13:12:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:mmmmm ... Pink Scorpion ... do want.
Just to make it clear I definitely do not want to see that ingame, not only would it **** off CCP watshisnamedoesntlikepinkships there's some ip suits just waiting to happen there :P
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Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
21
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Posted - 2012.03.10 15:18:00 -
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Great idea thats been around forever, but can't see how it can be done without increasing server load.
Though i hope im wrong! |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
517
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Posted - 2012.03.10 23:53:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote:Great idea thats been around forever, but can't see how it can be done without increasing server load. Though i hope im wrong!
Most of it can be done using your client as that's where the .red files reside (the ~100kb files that control what a ship looks like) - this is assuming that something faster or different wasn't programmed to handle this feature which could reduce this file size. The server would still need to send a ship id to the client when each new ship enters the ballpark and you'd need to download those 100kb files somehow. This is of course assuming that there are no unique graphics and the system uses pre-existing textures - which would be the best course of action.
In large battles this would obviously increase the amount of data needed to be sent per player as each client would need to know the ship id for each series of customised ship - which is how the client does it now albiet with a larger amount of possible ships . To reduce the potential for a bazzillion new ships restricted colour palettes for each race and ship class could be enforced which has the added bonus of stopping people from making a) ugly ships and b) destroying ccps art vision.
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Shenra Twrin
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.11 00:52:00 -
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In my Opinion this should be Aurum based....
ok lynch be but let me tell you why its good to make it Aurum based..
First it should be keep as special thing not everyone should have it on his noob frig...
2nd CCP should have something from it and have a really nice plex sink is really good for the company = more money for cpp = faster and better updates due to more ppl work for ccp ( also dont even try to complain with " they will use it for WoD or Dust herpderp" )
3rd: it should be 1000Aurum per "skin" and it should be destroyed when the ship gets destroyed.... that the spirit of eve u can lose anything exept the shirt u wear :). Also 1000 Aurum is not so much ccp gift much aurum and one plex = 3,5k aurum = 3 skins and really how many ships do you want to paint every little ship u have....NO
Also this Option to pay makes it really tasty for CCP to implement it you dont need to have a "skin" it doesn-¦t give you super powers or anything just cool looks so it totaly optional..
Sure there will be many ppl who say now QQ I NEVER will buy anything for aurum or pay euros for it......... So also many ppl in League of Legends say QQ i dont pay for skins ... sooo ? there are many ppl who still do, but most of them dont spam forums about they buy skins .....
Plex dont cost to much ~500mio isk is totaly ok .... remember it should keep special so it cool to have it and then u kill them u can havest much more tears :D
thanks for reading
sorry for bad english
Just my 2Cents |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
517
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Posted - 2012.03.11 02:39:00 -
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Still figuring out the details of server cost, but its roughly around 32bits extra data per unique ship for the server to send to each client in the ballpark during warp preload with high levels of customisation. This estimation has been formulated using a method suggested by an ex ccp employer which would require new code to translate.
The majority of the load has been confirmed as being client based and would require new shaders to handle this method. Shaders do not use much memory themselves but loading and rendering each unique ship would but options to turn the feature off would definitely help negate this effect. The server would still need to send your client the details of each unique ship so it would not negate the extra server load. 32bits pretty small though.. even with 1000 pilots in a system with 500 unique ships thats not a lot of load on the server although it could be with your client especially with an old card - that is if you're not playing brackets online where mipmaps would lessen the graphical load
Once I've talked to someone who works with graphics engines and shaders we may be able to estimate potential load on your client. While I do not know or have contact with anyone at CCP in the relevant department the lead 3d engineer from Ubisoft Massive in Sweden is willing to talk me through it which may be helpful. T'amber for CSM7 - Ship and Client Customisation Take part in the 2min Ship Customisation Survey www.tinyurl.com/shipcustomisation
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Alpha Wolfgang
Two Brothers Mining Corp. GIANTSBANE.
1
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Posted - 2012.03.12 14:20:00 -
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would it be possible to have an auto shutoff feature? you select a number of ships beforehand and if there are that many on field it will turn the paintjobs off automatically so that you dont have to fiddle with it when the poo starts flying. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises Unprovoked Aggression
260
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Posted - 2012.03.12 15:20:00 -
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As long as there is an option to completely disable customized paintjobs (for client performance reasons).
But as long as that disable option is provided, i'm all for custom paint and would spend a filthy amount of isk doing it. |
Valei Khurelem
433
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Posted - 2012.03.12 15:22:00 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:As long as there is an option to completely disable customized paintjobs (for client performance reasons).
But as long as that disable option is provided, i'm all for custom paint and would spend a filthy amount of isk doing it.
I agree with that, I think for people as well who hate the idea of pink hello kitty logos ( seriously who could hate that? ) you should also have an option to just leave the standard paint jobs on.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
521
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Posted - 2012.03.12 23:36:00 -
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http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1203/new_ospreys.jpg
Some custom Ospreys using existing colours and textures from the client.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
415
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Posted - 2012.03.12 23:56:00 -
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I'm digging the white ships.
Looks awesome T!
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