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Janet Erikson
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Posted - 2012.02.10 11:47:00 -
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I support this product and/or service. |
Irishnox
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:30:00 -
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Good luck Trebor keep working hard for the non block players |
Tha Jackall
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2012.02.10 19:17:00 -
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Treb,
we wish you the best in this eleection.
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
191
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Posted - 2012.02.11 22:02:00 -
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The hardist working CSMer in the election on page 3 Good luck in this election |
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2012.02.12 16:10:00 -
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Keeping this near the top. |
testobjekt
Creative Accounting Institute
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Posted - 2012.02.12 16:20:00 -
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Will you support the removal of ABC ores from W-space to fix mining? |
Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
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Posted - 2012.02.12 17:04:00 -
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+1 ;)
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.02.12 17:37:00 -
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Trebor, during the Ice Interdiction campaign, you were pretty critical of what Goons were doing, but you never explained (where I saw it) exactly what you opposed or disliked about the campaign. Could you amplify on why you thought it was a bad thing? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
1563
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Posted - 2012.02.12 22:19:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Then I would expect as a member of the CSM and responsible for editing of the contributed minutes that you would best represent the interests of the members by being conscientiousness enough to follow up these issues? Surely that would be the less than amateur thing to do about this? I did, multiple times - in advance of the summits. As I pointed out in the thread, multiple times. I even brought a Joby Gorillapod to the summits so that if an additional camera was available, it could be mounted in a position that would give more complete coverage. I am sorry that the level of detail in the minutes was not acceptable to you, but I believe we did the best we could given the circumstances.
testobjekt wrote:Will you support the removal of ABC ores from W-space to fix mining? Your question presupposes that doing so would "fix" mining; at present, I have not been presented with a good argument that this is the case. When the ABC issue came up at a CSM summit, my position was that before anyone messed with minerals in WH's (or any other abundance issue), they'd better have good data that showed that it was significantly distorting the market -- ie: how much was mined, how much was exported, how much was imported (and broken down by class of wormhole).
While a case *might* be made that hi-sec "daytrippers" were distorting the market by mining in WH's that connect directly to K-space, I rather doubt that much ore is coming from indirectly connected WH's -- the logistics are just too much of a pain. But as of yet, CSM has not been shown any data that shows that there is a problem, and CCP has not indicated to us that this issue is likely to be addressed in the near future.
Malcanis wrote:Trebor, during the Ice Interdiction campaign, you were pretty critical of what Goons were doing, but you never explained (where I saw it) exactly what you opposed or disliked about the campaign. Could you amplify on why you thought it was a bad thing? I had no problem with it on a gameplay level; it certainly is considered acceptable behavior in EVE. I just thought it was distasteful, akin to drowning kittens for LOLs -- not something I personally would engage in.
Also, I was fueling a POS at the time, so it cost me money. Re-Elect Trebor to the CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism!
My CSM Blog |
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:51:00 -
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Working Hard for the blue collar player. |
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Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:04:00 -
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Just wanted to stop by and say hi. I won't be making a point to dredge up all the ******** things you said in the past this year. Your contributions to CSM 6 were entirely inoffensive and given the current field I'd rather have you around than some of these other weirdos. |
Tcar
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:55:00 -
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Bump.
Trebor for CSM |
Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
675
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:58:00 -
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If you promise to have a big Sissy fit because you missed your big-boy nap again, I would maybe give you my vote.... CCP and even the CSM have a lot of hardworking men and women who are very intelligent, working on making New Eden a better place-it is CCP management that I fear the most. |
Courthouse
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.14 02:40:00 -
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D3 should probably instruct bruck sqad to give all their votes to Trebor. The 50 accounts, counting alts, that are left aren't going to do him much good and Trebor's going to need all the support he can get since he won't have large bloc support. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.14 02:49:00 -
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Courthouse wrote:D3 should probably instruct bruck sqad to give all their votes to Trebor. The 50 accounts, counting alts, that are left aren't going to do him much good and Trebor's going to need all the support he can get since he won't have large bloc support. d3 can't even get his friends to give him 100 likes when they can like him AND riverini
i don't think he's much of a powerbroker |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.14 04:09:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Then I would expect as a member of the CSM and responsible for editing of the contributed minutes that you would best represent the interests of the members by being conscientiousness enough to follow up these issues? Surely that would be the less than amateur thing to do about this? I did, multiple times - in advance of the summits. As I pointed out in the thread, multiple times. I even brought a Joby Gorillapod to the summits so that if an additional camera was available, it could be mounted in a position that would give more complete coverage. I am sorry that the level of detail in the minutes was not acceptable to you, but I believe we did the best we could given the circumstances.
To be honest prior to your revelation of who did the recordings I never made the assumed connection that CCP were responsible for them. I made an understanding from your points that they had supplied materials for use by the CSM.
So considering that you did every thing you could to try to improve camera coverage, even bringing an extra stand that didn't get used, are we saying that CCP are to some extent then letting you down in being able to better fulfill CSM duties due to lack of cameras?
(BTW: I sent an enquiry message to CCP Xhagen as you suggested, but have yet to get a responce on the subject.)
Did some quick research about possible alternative technical solutions to the multiple camera issue also and just as one example thought you might find this interesting:
Sony Bloggie 360 Degree Video
Sony Page for 360
They have stands and other useful accesories etc.
Sure there might be other alterntive solutions for recording in 360 degree panoramic also. |
Miso Souped
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.14 06:21:00 -
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Darius III wrote:If you promise to have a big Sissy fit because you missed your big-boy nap again, I would maybe give you my vote....
Do all the CSM's disrespect each other like this??
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2012.02.14 08:48:00 -
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+1.
The only bad thing about Trebor is that he will be taking my vote off some other worthy candidates. CCP is unable to implement simpliest things. Like settting to hide signatures. So they sweep it under a rug . Children do that in their pre-shool years, CCP does it being adults. Probably because it is fearless enough. |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2012.02.14 16:11:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:So considering that you did every thing you could to try to improve camera coverage, even bringing an extra stand that didn't get used, are we saying that CCP are to some extent then letting you down in being able to better fulfill CSM duties due to lack of cameras? Very rarely in this life do people "get it right" the first time. CSM session recording has continually evolved and improved, from audio-only (CSMs using their laptops -- which we were typing on at the time, which made the quality crappy!) through video (Xhagen's minicam). For future summits, there has been serious discussion of live-streaming the meetings so that CSMs who are not present can monitor and provide feedback through skype chat.
Resource allocation issues come into play here; given limited resources, it is quite possible for people to honestly disagree about where they should be applied.
For example, if you had to choose between a second camera in the room (better coverage for minutes) and live-streaming for non-present CSMs (possibly better discussions), which would you choose?
So my answer to your question would be that I don't feel let down, but do look forward to "iteration". Re-Elect Trebor to the CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism!
My CSM Blog |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.14 16:36:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:So considering that you did every thing you could to try to improve camera coverage, even bringing an extra stand that didn't get used, are we saying that CCP are to some extent then letting you down in being able to better fulfill CSM duties due to lack of cameras? Very rarely in this life do people "get it right" the first time. CSM session recording has continually evolved and improved, from audio-only (CSMs using their laptops -- which we were typing on at the time, which made the quality crappy!) through video (Xhagen's minicam). For future summits, there has been serious discussion of live-streaming the meetings so that CSMs who are not present can monitor and provide feedback through skype chat. Resource allocation issues come into play here; given limited resources, it is quite possible for people to honestly disagree about where they should be applied. For example, if you had to choose between a second camera in the room (better coverage for minutes) and live-streaming for non-present CSMs (possibly better discussions), which would you choose? So my answer to your question would be that I don't feel let down, but do look forward to "iteration".
Thats is a more encouraging perspective to helping to resolve issues of exactitude without having to make it overbearingly cumbersome to the process itself.
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xHarx
AFK Cloakers
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Posted - 2012.02.14 17:47:00 -
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+1 Trebor for CSM |
Darirol
Cold Steel Evolution Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.02.15 01:23:00 -
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bump. |
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
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Posted - 2012.02.15 01:43:00 -
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You seem very much like a level-headed and decent fellow. Good luck with your campaign. +1 important spaceship like from me (Though you don't need it to qualify). |
OldMan Gana
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.15 03:07:00 -
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Please consider voting for Trebor, out of all the current CSM's, he's the guy who akways posts updates and is good with communication. Not once have I read anywhere about Trebor getting involved in any eve related drama etc. He doesn't have any axes to grind and he doesn't represent one of the big power blocs. Give the guy your vote. Oldman " I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2012.02.15 16:10:00 -
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OldMan Gana wrote:Please consider voting for Trebor, out of all the current CSM's, he's the guy who akways posts updates and is good with communication. Not once have I read anywhere about Trebor getting involved in any eve related drama etc. He doesn't have any axes to grind and he doesn't represent one of the big power blocs. Give the guy your vote. Oldman Thanks, mom! Re-Elect Trebor to the CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism!
My CSM Blog |
Mintrolio
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:24:00 -
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CONFRIMIGN I AM NEEDIGN TO MAKE A CLEER.
ALSO IN MINE BLOG I AM USE MANY PICTRES. SOM PICTRES HAFIGN TREBOR FACES.
ALSO THESE IS JUST BECOSE HE IS SO ACTIVE AND HAVE MANY PICTRE ON INTERWET UNLIKE MANY OTHRE CSM WHO SEAM TO BIEIGN INVISBEL.
USE TREBOR IS NOT INDCATIONS HE IS BAD - PERSONAL I WOLD HAFIGN HIM AGAN IN CSM.
KEEP UP GOOD POASTIGN MINTROLIO FUR CSM7 |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
168
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Posted - 2012.02.15 20:37:00 -
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Posting in the hope for a candidacy view on the following: Bounty Hunting
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:36:00 -
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Mintrolio wrote:CONFRIMIGN I AM NEEDIGN TO MAKE A CLEER. In all honesty, I am not sure if this is an endorsement, a death threat, or both.
Grumpy Owly wrote:Posting in the hope for a candidacy view on the following: Bounty Hunting The Bounty Hunting idea has been discussed by CSM with CCP (both Malcanis' post and an earlier one by Ogopogo Mu. We are in general agreement that a revision to the current mechanics along these sort of lines is a good thing, and have encouraged CCP to consider it.
Just another example of your CSM Tax ISK at work... Re-Elect Trebor to the CSM - because I have not yet plumbed the depths of my inherent masochism!
My CSM Blog |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
168
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:39:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Posting in the hope for a candidacy view on the following: Bounty Hunting The Bounty Hunting idea has been discussed by CSM with CCP (both Malcanis' post and an earlier one by Ogopogo Mu. We are in general agreement that a revision to the current mechanics along these sort of lines is a good thing, and have encouraged CCP to consider it. Just another example of your CSM Tax ISK at work...
ty Trebor, quoted in linked thread
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
OldMan Gana
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.15 21:52:00 -
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That's what I like about Trebor, he always get back to you, or he posts something in the forums to us all. " I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á |
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