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Lowa
Gallente North Star Networks Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.11 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Lowa on 11/01/2008 11:35:52
Originally by: Cyriel Longinus The MC has always used an edge, whether it has been intel or the latest technology in conjunction with battle tested PvP Play, not to mention the dedication to deliver fun. Hotdropping Motherships on top of fleets in 2007 was a fine example of this. Before this there was surely something else.
It was. It always have been (and not only or always by MC). MS's were a superior fighting platform for a time. Not using it to the max would have been really stupid. Before that (and even longer) certain Command ships are/were made out of Pure win (Astarte/Eos) and people used them for with maximum effect for as long as possible. Before that it was HAC's, at one time the only people that I knew of that had 30-60 man HAC gangs going everyday was MC and BoB and I have found memories of targets and allies that were in awe of that every single one of us (as NSN was there back then) were in 250-350m isk ships and running them almost like T1 (hence the discussion of k/d Isk ratio at the time).
Before that it was...I dont know, 99% resistance Scorpions, Cruise missile frigs etc.
If you make it your business to stay on the leading/bleeding edge of technology in EVE you will have tremendous success for a while with a perticular ship or setup (Nos Dommie/Nano-Phoons! ), that has always been true. So far at least.
/Lowa
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Xplained
Caldari Dark.. Matter..Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.11 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Demosthenes Citium Mercenary Coalition is a very successful alliance; there is no doubt about that.
Without BOB, MC would never have reached the high they are on, it's only fair that they also should be wiped out.
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.01.11 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mei Han I realy don't get why K:D ratio has any meaning.. espesialy in mercenary business. I mean if i pay for a contract i do not care if thier ratio was 100% and they killed only 10 BSs and left. I wouldn't even care if they lost 100 Caps to kill 10. My only interest would be for damage done in ISK,Territory and enemies' morale.
What better way to crush your opponents morale than by destroying 50 of his ships for no losses? Most entites defending against the likes of the MC would consider 1000 losses for 700 kills a victory. Their willingness to fight remains! Losing 30 ships and killing none on the otherhand... Thats what makes people log off and find something else to do.
In warfare whether its real or pretend maintaining morale is of the highest importance. This is especially true in Eve.
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.11 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
What better way to crush your opponents morale than by destroying 50 of his ships for no losses?
im a fan of forcing people to recharge towers for weeks on end while denying significant engagements and making them the victim of a ruinous propaganda campaign, but w/e floats your boat i guess
big flashy battles, even one-sided ones keep people engaged in the game
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Aneu Angellus
Caldari DAB RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.11 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: welsh wizard
What better way to crush your opponents morale than by destroying 50 of his ships for no losses?
im a fan of forcing people to recharge towers for weeks on end while denying significant engagements and making them the victim of a ruinous propaganda campaign, but w/e floats your boat i guess
big flashy battles, even one-sided ones keep people engaged in the game
I love you Mittani. ________________
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Legio Praetor
The Green Machine
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Posted - 2008.01.11 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Legio Praetor on 11/01/2008 14:14:57 Edited by: Legio Praetor on 11/01/2008 14:14:21 Edited by: Legio Praetor on 11/01/2008 14:14:00
Originally by: xRevolveRx
Originally by: Cpt Pugwash Who holds the North now?
Not Mpire/Fatal etc.
Therefore, use any excuse you like, they were not good enough.
I think what he is trying to say is that the guys that took that space from mpire and fatal cant do anything on their own without overwelming support. If they have so much trouble against small alliances like that, what are they gonna do if BoB were to go back home to BKG if they decided to leave delve?
Funny you should write that, last night i was actually thinking that if BoB began showing battlefagitue and losing the line, maybe the best way to deal with that would be to relocate to the other end of the universe and let the others fight over the vacuum they left in the south. Would give them time to regroup and watch from a distance NAP's ending with internal fighting down south.
Anyway, nice read. Will keep an eye on what happens
(edits: bloody formatting)
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.01.11 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 11/01/2008 14:22:10
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: welsh wizard
What better way to crush your opponents morale than by destroying 50 of his ships for no losses?
im a fan of forcing people to recharge towers for weeks on end while denying significant engagements and making them the victim of a ruinous propaganda campaign, but w/e floats your boat i guess
big flashy battles, even one-sided ones keep people engaged in the game
That only works against ppl who care about holding space and if done on a large scale would destroy the game.
But then im talking to a goon and the bragging rights on out of game forums about how you meta'd eve online to death would proly give scum like you the jollies.
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.01.11 15:38:00 -
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'Hotdropping'
The post is actually good, but only because it doesn't say much either way. The only part I flatly disagree with is that MC somehow started the whole carrier/capital drop. It started with RA when they were fighting LV, then later BoB and MC started doing it. It simply comes down to this: In any big war the number of pos involved is too ridiculous that even if they're undefended you can spend the next year blowing them up. If you focus on enemy capitals, it hurts the pilots individually and for the majority of capital pilots they're only flying them to see what its like and take part in such events. They have zero incentive to repeat it, and then fly under the same people that got them killed the first time.
Image Buffing
But anyhow, before the D2 war I think MC had a reputation for being shock troops or some kind of capital reserve - an image they endorsed. They attempted to prove otherwise with the northern conflict. MC lost initiative in that pretty damn fast, but their enemies screwed up and gave them a good reason to galvanize again. They overcame that reputation well and proved they could do bigger things. They were also smart enough to leave just as the North was too far gone to save.
Greener Alternatives
However, in the past a lot of pvpers wanting "more" ended up going to BoB, then later to MC and Outbreak. The latter two became the dominant choice as soon as BoB started playing space conquest. MC and Outbreak offered a more nomadic and less serious type of gameplay that was previously the hallmark of BoB. Even with MC committing with many billions in assets, anyone involved knew that the conflict was only temporary in nature and it didn't make sense to take it personally. If it sucks, just wait it out and it'll be something completely different in a month.
What most people wanted to see with MC breaking from BoB was that - MC becoming more nomadic and offering pvpers that alternative style to endgame PVP. They wanted to see a force that would go behind lines and actually cause terror and damage small gank squads can't. I find it rather funny that Outbreak had so many people interested in joining them because of this, it effectively overwhelmed their corp.
Period Basis
The benefit of being able to carebear and build capitals securely was a huge one (also having a place to stash things away). But now (as the original poster correctly states) that tactic is no longer viable for them - if they want to prove MC is the best at something.
Now, having period basis and having to defend it simply drags them into wars/politics which MC really wasn't made for and makes them a crappier alternative to joining one of the better groups actually happy with playing EVE that way. It isn't like the north where they have something to prove to EVE, I can bet you most of their members would rather not have to form defensive gangs every time BoB calls an op. And I somehow doubt Seleene envisioned MC, KIA and Ev0ke becoming the next space conquest power bloc, because they'd each have to sacrifice a fair bit of their individuality for the sake of having comparable numbers.
Present
Right now I would call MC opportunists who knew this move would help them, but they haven't realized why. Their internal forums have comments equivalent to 'BoB will be too busy with the coalition soon, we just need to hold on'. The big question I have personally is whether or not they're just holding on because of having Titans in build or because they want to secure it as their home again. If its the latter, you run into the problems above, and about the only thing amusing with this decision is that both Band of Brothers and the Coalition don't like people intruding on their very exclusive game. They would both welcome a third party to rail on from time to time. _______________________________ Complex Fullerene Shards; why God? :| |
Rukaz
Malevolent Intervention
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Posted - 2008.01.11 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist 'Hotdropping'
The post is actually good, but only because it doesn't say much either way. The only part I flatly disagree with is that MC somehow started the whole carrier/capital drop. It started with RA when they were fighting LV, then later BoB and MC started doing it.
I don't think you'll find any MC claiming they invented hot drops.
Maybe because it did prove incredibly effective in the northern campaign its become an Eve myth.
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