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Joost Merc
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
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Posted - 2012.02.10 11:04:00 -
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It was only today i realised who these people are, mainly clueless individuals with no idea of the game mechanics jsut calling "nerf this, nerf this" if they dont fly it themselfs!!
I saw someone today saying "i hope they nurf ecm drones" then claiming that a flight of 4 hornet 300's kept his double eccm basilisk perma jammed through a entier fight.
As far as i knew ECM doesnt stack and with a hornet 300 only having a sensor strenth of 5 and a basi of 22. this tall story seems very tall indeed!! The jaming is chance based and 5 times out of 22 would that basi get jammed. 5:22 thats hardly a perma am situation to me. 0_o
Please people with CCP listening to the comunity on the direction the game should take, lets not cry out for stupid nerfs - ESPECIALY WHEN WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE GAME MECHANICS!!!!!!! |
Joost Merc
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
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Posted - 2012.02.10 11:08:00 -
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-1 myself for bad typing and spelling. I blame the grrrrrrrrrrrrr frustration |
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.10 11:18:00 -
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What has ECM droning to do with "nerf xxxxx". Stealth nerf calling for ECM-drones, or the basilisk? Or anything else i did-¦nt get? |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.02.10 11:23:00 -
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nerf Basilisk |
Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
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Posted - 2012.02.10 11:25:00 -
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Nerf nerfing. |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.02.10 11:30:00 -
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Joost Merc wrote:It was only today i realised people are, mainly clueless individuals with no idea
May I be the first to welcome you back to the human race.
C.
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Velicitia
Open Designs
527
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Posted - 2012.02.10 11:58:00 -
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4 drones, each with 5:22 means EACH drone has a (roughly) 1 in 4 chance of jamming the guy (actual numbers in 1 in 4.4).
Since ECM at that point is random, the game "rolls" a number for each drone ... if it lands on the right number, the jam works. Each drone is individual, and the probability of at least one drone htting the "right" number every cycle is fairly good.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:11:00 -
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Balance |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:11:00 -
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One interesting thing is that the people calling for a lot of these nerfs are people who are getting ganked by them, super caps are a prime example, now they're complaining about drakes being OP because they're in the top for getting kills.
It's not usually that they don't know anything about the game mechanics, it's that they know full well about them and want to change them so they benefit more instead of the other side.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels The Obsidian Front
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:15:00 -
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Ill say the basi was in bad luck, but iv tried the same in a scimitar. Now i run Scimitar with a smartbomb.
But its true, there are always something people wana nerf.
Titans tracking 100mn Tengus ECM Drones ect.
Before patch Dramlin - speed ect.
Nisroc Angels Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2012.02.10 12:29:00 -
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Nerf ECM drones. A Thorax can jam a Rupture 70% of the time, every 20 seconds, with Vespa EC-600s.
True story. I still cry myself to sleep every night. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:47:00 -
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Nerf keyboards the caps lock key is overpowered!!! |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:51:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:One interesting thing is that the people calling for a lot of these nerfs are people who are getting ganked by them, super caps are a prime example, now they're complaining about drakes being OP because they're in the top for getting kills.
It's not usually that they don't know anything about the game mechanics, it's that they know full well about them and want to change them so they benefit more instead of the other side.
so basically titan tracking is perfectly balanced because one side annihilates the other unopposed with zero losses
i hope you never have to fight under a cynojammer |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.02.10 13:52:00 -
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Joost Merc wrote:As far as i knew ECM doesnt stack and with a hornet 300 only having a sensor strenth of 5 and a basi of 22. this tall story seems very tall indeed!! The jaming is chance based and 5 times out of 22 would that basi get jammed. 5:22 thats hardly a perma am situation to me. 0_o For the record, 4+ù jamming strength 5 vs. sensor strength 22 means a 1-((1-5/22)Gü¦) = 64% chance of a jam. For a full flight of 5, it's up to 72%. No, it doesn't stack GÇö it does something much, much worseGǪ
Valei Khurelem wrote:now they're complaining about drakes being OP because they're in the top for getting kills. Yes, that is why it's getting buffedGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.02.10 14:01:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Valei Khurelem wrote:One interesting thing is that the people calling for a lot of these nerfs are people who are getting ganked by them, super caps are a prime example, now they're complaining about drakes being OP because they're in the top for getting kills.
It's not usually that they don't know anything about the game mechanics, it's that they know full well about them and want to change them so they benefit more instead of the other side. so basically titan tracking is perfectly balanced because one side annihilates the other unopposed with zero losses i hope you never have to fight under a cynojammer
No, it isn't balanced, but what amazes me is you seem to think that nerfing it will make any difference, when it's the game mechanics themselves that are the problem.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Tomas Ysidro
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.02.10 14:13:00 -
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Nerf ECM drones because they always jam me and never jam my targets when I use them >:| |
Micheal Dietrich
Standards and Practices
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Posted - 2012.02.10 14:18:00 -
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TheBlueMonkey wrote:Nerf keyboards the caps lock key is overpowered!!!
There are companies actually trying to do this. Some of us put in a lot of training on caps lock and it would be a wasted time if they removed it. |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2012.02.10 14:23:00 -
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WHAT? THEY NERFED THE DRAMLIN? ******* ROBOT MUSIC THAT WILL **** YOUR ******* |
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:07:00 -
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If 10.000 noobs paying per month whine about ECM CCP will nerf the Falcon to 30km optimal. Fortunately there are not 10.000 of them. But never underestimate the power of mass-whining.
We have to accept that this game development is affected by the players experience. And a complex game like EVE has many very different levels of experience and what you do ingame. PvP is indeed the hot-spot for whining at game mechanics. The more new ships and mods are added the harder and nearly impossible it will be to bring fair balance.
For instance the most hatred ECM. All this whining by history has become a joke. You get ganked by 10 ships, you bring a Falcon to escape or counter the numbers and you get for sure a "F*CK OFF WITH THAT FALCON!" in local. It's really funny because the 10 vs 1 (webbing, scramming, sniping, jamming, neuting) is much more annoying in this moment and not a Falcon at 70km dying, too, btw. All you can do is to spam the warp button with a "O.K., that's it. I am dead!" So what's the conclusion? NERF fleets? Hell, no. WTF. But give the Falcon a buff again. HELL NO!!! (forums would be spammed with tears, if this happens).
NERF BLOBS. NERF PLAYERS IN A FLEET (because you can't counter them solo). BUFF FALCONS TO 150KM OPTIMAL BECAUSE THIER 3 BC'S OR LOKI BOOSTED WEBS AND POINTS MAKES THEM USELESS UNDER 100KM. And so on...
I know, I am mad, bro! |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
300
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:18:00 -
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the falcon is fine as it is.
eccm needs a buff though. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
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Clith
The Circle
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:31:00 -
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Nerf OP |
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:39:00 -
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David Grogan wrote:the falcon is fine as it is.
eccm needs a buff though.
Not really. The optimal is now too short. For instance you want to engage a gate camp and counter the numbers by a Falcon what is a classic situation for this combo. Nearly every pirate camp is warfare boosted these days. And if you check the new t2 links tackling is totally overpowered now. A Falcon at 80km will be sniped out, tackled easily, can be probed down with pre-placed probes in 5 secs before you can do anything efficient with your ECM. The old nerf from over 230km to 70-80 optimal was fine but actually the nerf is outdated and needs a buff.
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Dr Silkworth
Two Geezers in Space
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Posted - 2012.02.10 15:45:00 -
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Looks like a good weekend to sell ecm drones. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:46:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote: so basically titan tracking is perfectly balanced because one side annihilates the other unopposed with zero losses
i hope you never have to fight under a cynojammer No, massive numbers of caps balances the fact that stupid isn't fixable.
"Hey guys, we got a nasty blob on blob planned tommorrow. Make sure you log in." Next day, 1000 pilots log on mostly with BS. (<-- stupid idea) Enemy logs in 1000 pilots to counter, mostly BS. (<-- even stupider, cause you caused it!) To bad no one thought to use Titan sniper fleets ...on wait.
Yeah, lag monster is so awesome it just has to be invited to every party. Thank god the Buzzkill titans help remedy that stupid idea. Yeah, CCP can reinforce the node and has improved module lag but as of yet haven't heard positive feedback on its Time Dilation. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2012.02.10 16:48:00 -
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Calling for nerfs is part of "the game".
I would love to see that stats on from which country most nerfs are called for.
In the USA, calling for nerfs is also part of the real life game. So Americans are quite adept at it. Every new law proposed or clamored for is a kind of nerfing. Affirmative Action laws are a good example of RL nerfing. Criminals (in many cases the criminals are the police) love gun control because it nerfs their victims. Taxation is a means of RL nerfing. So I think most of the calls for nerfs come from the USA because here we eat sleep and drink "nerf the other guy and boost me with new laws" ideals 24/7.
Thank God this game is run out of Iceland.
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Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
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Posted - 2012.02.10 18:03:00 -
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Eve is hard, which is why things must be needed. You know, to make things easier. To stand before a man at an inquisition, knowing that he will rejoice when we die, knowing that he will commit us to the stake and its horrors without a moment's hesitation or remorse if we do not satisfy him, is not an experience much less cruel because our inquisitor does not whip us or rack us or shout at us. |
Swooshie
USA Canada Private Corp
58
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Posted - 2012.02.10 18:38:00 -
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The word "balance" in the MMO context generally makes me cringe.
In EVE, I loathe it.
We're speaking warfare here. Weapons and technologies specifically made to annihilate one another merrily!
Draw a parallel to the real world since, well, it's from there that all comes from : since when warfare is fair and balanced? In fact, most of the winning process comes from tipping over the balance and OVERPOWERING the enemy.
Ok, ok, it's a game, I know.. some limits need to be applied since resources are much easier to get here and otherwise it would be no FUN.
Still, remember when Japan got a nuke (well, make that two) dropped on them, they weren't happy, it was horrible, but imagine them calling for a nerf...
Let's not forget that, warfare is about who is the most brilliant tactician/executor AND/OR who brings the biggest, meanest guns!
Some situation are just bad, but ya know... I feel no sympathy for those whining about how stupidly hard this game is because someone beat their butt when all they had to bring forth was a water pistol...
Ah ranting sometimes... so sweet :p
"It is when I think about meaning that I lose what I meant to say." -á-á-á -Swooshie |
leich
Sad Panda'z Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.02.10 19:30:00 -
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ECM Drones are overpowered and seem to be able to perma jam anything they damm well like.
Falcons are also currently overpowered and need there range reducing to around 40K you shouldnt be able to jam from 80K it;s just to far.
People who disagree either dont fly small gang PVP or have no balls and dont want to risk there falcon.
A counter argument is that oh falcons can just be sniped out but with transfersal this is rarely the case for anything but the most ******** of pilots.
If have been in fights were a single friendly falcon has perma jammed 5 ships allowing us to walk all over an enemy fleet of larger size than our own.
and before people say oh you dont use them. Yes i do use ECM because as is normal with eve if you cant beat them join them.
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Olleybear
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2012.02.10 19:52:00 -
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ECM drones, yes, yes they do need a nerf. Its silly when you have a full head of high end jackals to raise the Ladar strength on your rupture and still get jammed by a flight of ec-300 for half the fight. Hell, I've been jammed by a single ec-300 before and I am sure others in this thread have as well.
As for nerfing in general, sometimes it is better to nerf a single ship / ship class than it is to buff all other ships to make up for something that is overpowered. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Anderron Shi
1st MC
15
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Posted - 2012.02.10 19:56:00 -
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If you believe something in overpowered, then use it. Eventually the cycle will complete, everyone in the game will be using it, and CCP will rebalance.
Oh, but still, NERF THE IBIS!! Get some! |
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