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Togakure Slacker Industries Cult of War	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:08:00 - [31] This thread reads more like "Who is posting but shouldn't" If OP doesn't like Hydra, go remove them yourself. Otherwise, STFU.
FeeLtheSWARTZ Prophets Of a Damned Universe Elemental Fury	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:11:00 - [32] Originally by: 5n4keyes Tho feel free to drop by any time u want and pew pew Ill take a trip up there sometime soon to say hi
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: marakor In hydras defence they have had over the last few months long visits from MDK and TERRA INCOGNITA now both of alliances/corps are some pure and serious pvpers and i can think of few who could get better stats against them and a lot do much worse. i do believe the alliances in question have had ****ty KB stats since long before this post. (in hydra's case, im near positive that this is the case for at least 1 year on hydra's board) The person you are quoting's main is in jorg corp hence the reference to TI being so l33t lol
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:25:00 - [34] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: marakor In hydras defence they have had over the last few months long visits from MDK and TERRA INCOGNITA now both of alliances/corps are some pure and serious pvpers and i can think of few who could get better stats against them and a lot do much worse. i do believe the alliances in question have had ****ty KB stats since long before this post. (in hydra's case, im near positive that this is the case for at least 1 year on hydra's board) The person you are quoting's main is in jorg corp hence the reference to TI being so l33t lol Bud by the time we left hydra space they wished they had 44% efficiency.
Lsf XXi Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:33:00 - [35] Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes. .
Andnowthenews Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:37:00 - [36] Originally by: Lsf XXi Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes. As far as taking space is concerned RAGOONS are proly amoung the best but tbh all it takes is numbers and naps.
General StarScream Borg Collective hive mind	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:48:00 - [37] Ye lol killbord stats dont mean ****. some people are to rich to care about losing a ship vs some fun, its quite fun to die as well. and the thrill of winning vs big ods are quite fun Please resize signature to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com ~Saint
Kvaell Minmatar Terra Incognita Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:50:00 - [38] DMC is teh suxxor No caps, no ships, no isk. Just Drone NPC'ers shooting reds who goes by. Heard they dropped T1 alloys instead of modules. Like plush "rusted" compounds is ever going to outdamage lasers Down with them drone dwellers I say.
Seth'Al Red Dawn Empire Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:53:00 - [39] Hey Hey Hey now.. Drone Region used to be great before the drone nerf! shooting ppl while ratting FTW! =p
Phisix Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.01.14 20:56:00 - [40] Edited by: Phisix on 14/01/2008 20:56:08 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Khanid Kutie Originally by: marakor In hydras defence they have had over the last few months long visits from MDK and TERRA INCOGNITA now both of alliances/corps are some pure and serious pvpers and i can think of few who could get better stats against them and a lot do much worse. i do believe the alliances in question have had ****ty KB stats since long before this post. (in hydra's case, im near positive that this is the case for at least 1 year on hydra's board) like yourself. The person you are quoting's main is in jorg corp hence the reference to TI being so l33t lol Bud by the time we left hydra space they wished they had 44% efficiency. Look at this guy riding on burn edens coat tails. The JORG corp is a joke, much

Ju Ming Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:01:00 - [41] Khanid Kutie Thinking your not living in 0.0 which is cool so not going to flame you. Okay, it is not really about KB ratios but rather are you willing to die and enage others for your space when it has sov threatened. Also, can you afford to replace your loses or are you losing so much in assets you need to retreat before you go broke. For Alliances like United Legion, they hold their space and contribute to the Red Swarm Federation - RA , Goons & TCF. I think of United Legion as key part of RSF even though they lack a letter :) As for Hyrda, this was answered by their allies in this thread, if they contribute and pull their weight and are holding SOV then I guess they must be doing something right. Also you need to know that a number of strong alliances have smaller Alliances / Corps in their space that on their own could not hold space in 0.0. But that could probably also be said even for strong Alliances if they did not have Allies. FYI: Examples of a strong small Alliance holding SOV would be Stain Empire. Sig locked, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please email mods@ccpgames.com ~Saint
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:07:00 - [42] Hey i know your main lol Well some of us nerds are fighting daily to get this killboard accurate. our stats suck? yeah. but they're real(btw i honestly send 50M isk to someone who walktrhough me through any API-killboard posting software that i can check the code for. we still have many kills/losses that arent there) We'll succeed, or die trying. either way we'll have fun. we got personal teachers, with individual alliance/alliance lessons, that's Triumvirate. lately we had also MDK, a bit of KIA, and Burn Eden/Jorg. those teachers even did extra time to teach us that yeah we needed to be a bit less careless on the assaults :p previous big loss was Red Alliance(in the DMC thingie last month, 2x titans on my face argh!), previous big one was Triumvirate again when they first took out this 123244 dread fleets on our ass. we die a lot, but we learn from the best. We lost a lot of extra fat already, and its getting better. You do not imagine the state of the alliance a year ago. And you know? some of us enjoy those "non too established" groups where you really feel you can bring something for improvement those 4 caps losses wont be the last of our mistakes, for sure, but personally im damn proud to see all the progress that was made. Would i want a 33444 mothership fleet? yeah damn right of course. Am i frustrated to see stupid losses? of course! im half of them btw :D Am i having fun? yeah. im not peon #23459, and noone is. im not thinking omg we can lose everything. Every single bit is an improvement. Name 10 alliances who can say that. Boredom is for sure something you never find in Hydra. i sometimes wish :D ------ Tides of Silence
Lsf XXi Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:10:00 - [43] Originally by: Andnowthenews Originally by: Lsf XXi Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes. As far as taking space is concerned RAGOONS are proly amoung the best but tbh all it takes is numbers and naps. I dunno man take a look at this: Battleclinic top losses by alliance: GoonSwarm 91,166 Firmus Ixion 41,751 Ascendant Frontier 40,484 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate 37,347 Lotka Volterra 32,339 Knights Of the Southerncross 31,266 Red Alliance 28,203 Band of Brothers 26,471 We've lost more than 3x what bob has! Soon they will run us back to scalding pass :(. Everyone knows only K:D matters in eve. .
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:11:00 - [44] Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 14/01/2008 21:15:14 Originally by: Phisix Look at me im an idiot who thinks i know who the FC's are in terra incognita and because ive actualy heard of BE il make a wild guess about other member corps in the alliance and how they devide their membership Fixed it for ya bud. Before you make another stupid comment on things you know nothing about i suggest you find out a lot more about TJORG and dofa for that matter.
Star Nove Minmatar Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:12:00 - [45] GF guys! The best moment for me was when SATAN yells in Local "WILL YOU JUST DIE" I was trying to type "WILL YOU JUST RUN OUT OF AMMO"? but my hands were shaking so much I couldn't get the words out.. :-) -- The views expressed in this post are mine and in no way reflect the views of my Corp, my Alliance or my pet Iquana, Julio Ignacio DoubleGlazias.
Andnowthenews Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:14:00 - [46] Originally by: Lsf XXi Originally by: Andnowthenews Originally by: Lsf XXi Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes. As far as taking space is concerned RAGOONS are proly amoung the best but tbh all it takes is numbers and naps. I dunno man take a look at this: Battleclinic top losses by alliance: GoonSwarm 91,166 Firmus Ixion 41,751 Ascendant Frontier 40,484 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate 37,347 Lotka Volterra 32,339 Knights Of the Southerncross 31,266 Red Alliance 28,203 Band of Brothers 26,471 We've lost more than 3x what bob has! Soon they will run us back to scalding pass :(. Everyone knows only K:D matters in eve. Buddy all that does is confirm the fact that PVP has nothing to do with taking or holding space its about having the numbers to blob spam.
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:29:00 - [47] Originally by: DaiTengu Judging by Goonfleet's KB, they have absolutely no right to hold space either. All they do is fly t1 frigs, there's no way t1 frigs could stand up against the might of The Alliance. Some facts about Goonswarm's K : D ratio -91k losses. -More losses than any other alliance other than unknown and unallied people. -More losses than ASCN and FIX combined. Also about Goonfleet corp -60k losses -more losses than any other corp except state war academy and republic military school
Guns nButter The Nietzian Way Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:29:00 - [48] Edited by: Guns nButter on 14/01/2008 21:30:12 i mean, our efficiency was at 80% for like 2 months. we sure can't hold our own space with a cap fleet thats smaller than most noob corps. but i bet we can out-mine those macro-miners any day >.> we're all carebears, serously.
Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:33:00 - [49] Originally by: Andnowthenews Edited by: Andnowthenews on 14/01/2008 21:17:31 Edited by: Andnowthenews on 14/01/2008 21:17:05 Originally by: Lsf XXi Originally by: Andnowthenews Originally by: Lsf XXi Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes. As far as taking space is concerned RAGOONS are proly amoung the best but tbh all it takes is numbers and naps. I dunno man take a look at this: Battleclinic top losses by alliance: GoonSwarm 91,166 Firmus Ixion 41,751 Ascendant Frontier 40,484 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate 37,347 Lotka Volterra 32,339 Knights Of the Southerncross 31,266 Red Alliance 28,203 Band of Brothers 26,471 We've lost more than 3x what bob has! Soon they will run us back to scalding pass :(. Everyone knows only K:D matters in eve. Buddy all that does is confirm the fact that PVP has nothing to do with taking or holding space its about having the numbers to blob spam. K/D matters to pvpers but to space holders and takers it would be the end to GS and those like you who just spam skilless fleet after fleet at enemies to gain a bit of ground. look at the little unimportant guy eve-society has just forgotten about! Not talking about your alt either
Andnowthenews Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:46:00 - [50] Originally by: Swamp Ziro GoonSwarm 91,166 Band of Brothers 26,471 look at the little unimportant guy eve-society has just forgotten about! Not talking about your alt either Congratulation you have not managed to achieve what bob did and it has cost you 3 times the losses while you have triple the numbers. Im glad im not as important as you are i realy realy realy am.

Swamp Ziro GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 21:48:00 - [51] Originally by: Andnowthenews Originally by: Swamp Ziro GoonSwarm 91,166 Band of Brothers 26,471 look at the little unimportant guy eve-society has just forgotten about! Not talking about your alt either Congratulation you have not managed to achieve what bob did and it has cost you 3 times the losses while you have triple the numbers. Im glad im not as important as you are i realy realy realy am. I'm achieving something right now if you know what I meaaaaannn uhhhhhh uh uh aahhh thanks
Lsf XXi Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:11:00 - [52] Originally by: Swamp Ziro I'm achieving something right now if you know what I meaaaaannn uhhhhhh uh uh aahhh thanks Jesus man you achieved all over his back. That is not cool. .
Vahl Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:12:00 - [53] I'm a bit annoyed that we haven't hit 100K losses yet. Goons are underachievers on top of being horrible at pvp. :effort: _________________________________________________________ ==REDSWARM FEDERATION== ...because we hate your f**king guts.
Ju Ming Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:24:00 - [54] Edited by: Ju Ming on 14/01/2008 22:26:12 Hey there Its also important to understand that if you want a really low Kill ration you dont undock or engage. This is also one of the best ways to lose space when push comes to shove. Also KB Ratios are not as a rule correct especially when the Board you are checking tends to have mixed fleets. The reason being that if my KB shows a kill done by 10 Ships and 1 was lost but only 2 ships involved in the kill will be posting loses on my board it sort of skews the numbers. But in the end its not just about Kill Ratios its actually about who is ready to put their assets and time on the line to hold space. This means doing logistics, tearing down hostile POS and enaging both fleets and causing grief in your enemies farming areas. Also some players care more then others if they get killed and may or may not be more likely to put either cheap or shinny stuff on the line. In the Swarm its very common to have players go on suicide attack runs in any thing from Frigates to Battleships. For others like Tri, they roam all areas of EvE in their Nano Snake gangs looking for fights knowing they might get killed and podded. But there are others that when they finally find themselves under attack they fold as SOV holding entities. Some Alliances have had to face harsh realization that they mostly recruited farmers that have no intention to fight. So its not really about how many Kills you get but rather when a fight comes to your systems do you fight if its realistic so you can hold SOV. Fly Well Sig locked, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please email mods@ccpgames.com ~Saint
Del369 Caldari Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:44:00 - [55] Something tells me the OP is simply trying to divert EVERYONE from the larger issue, divide and conquer if you will, try harder OP Originally by: Saladin Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.
Ituralde The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:46:00 - [56] TRI sucks we shouldn't hold sov paper tiger etc amirite? Anyhow, agreeing with the goon for once in a lifetime - I'd say an alliance that gives it's best shot regularly but gets their ass handed to them is a better alliance more deserving of the space it owns than the one who doesn't dare take risks in combat. _____________________________ Fear is the mind-killer.
Lee ChanKa Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.14 22:54:00 - [57] Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 14/01/2008 22:55:14 Originally by: Vasili Z You'll find all the actual pvpers who play just to pvp don't care about POS or sov and even if they did, there's not enough of them to control all the space in Eve. There will always be carebears in 0.0 because if it was just pvpers, there'd be no POS. yes i dont care about nothing you can do pvp in 0.0 from npc station...so this mann totaly right..and fu** pos warfere and large fleet ops..thet is all garbage..no nead skill 2 drop 100 caps and 2 shoot primari secondary and rest comands..no ofeence for cap pilots but i will NEWHER in life learn for any cap ship.. 2 cen ewqilibrium aka lee
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:03:00 - [58] tri alts make the worst threads srsly
Lee ChanKa Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:09:00 - [59] Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 14/01/2008 23:11:10 Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 14/01/2008 23:09:05 Originally by: The Mittani tri alts make the worst threads srsly and wtf are you trying 2 say with this? i didnt post nothing herr in all mine posts for TRI i post in mine name..so if you hawe something 2 say say 2 me or back..
Syzdothyx	Posted - 2008.01.14 23:10:00 - [60] imo the op was trying to find a way to brag about the carrier kills without sounding like a noob... The north is so dull compared to you southern gents, at least your pets build titans

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