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Khanid Kutie
I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:00:00 -
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I've been spending my morning today looking at various alliance Killboards and wondering why some of these alliance holding space are STILL holding space.
Most noticeably is Hydra Alliance. 44% Killboard efficiency, and no ones decided to threaten their sov? Also United Legion has pretty crappy KB efficiency.
Who do you guys think is the least worthy to hold 0.0 space? (minus bob and goons, we all know how the majority feel about them).
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Xthril Ranger
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Xthril Ranger on 14/01/2008 19:02:57
BoB? 
edit: oh , did not read whole post. never mind me then 
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you'll never jump alone
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:02:00 -
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Judging alliances and corps by their KBs is bad mkay?
(no pun intended)
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MAXSuicide
Cosmic Fusion
When Fat Kids Attack
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Thargat
Judging alliances and corps by their KBs is bad mkay?
(no pun intended)
once upon a time it was pvp that kept ur space...
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Khanid Kutie
I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Thargat
Judging alliances and corps by their KBs is bad mkay?
(no pun intended)
you mean to say that when an alliance loses 4 carriers in one day, they know what their doing to hold sov? Only thing they really know is how to POS spam systems from those kind of stats.
I say no ones taken these alliances' space because its just too crappy to realy fight over...
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marakor
Gallente
Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 14/01/2008 19:05:46
HYDRA are pure and MM pets so although they get owned at pvp they have help at space holding.
Killboards are for pvpers terratory is for blobbers.
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Khanid Kutie
I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: MAXSuicide
Originally by: Thargat
Judging alliances and corps by their KBs is bad mkay?
(no pun intended)
once upon a time it was pvp that kept ur space...
QFT...yea i think you're on to something 
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matoni
Open Season
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:07:00 -
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Whatever Hydra is doing, in ****ing you off they're at least doing something right.
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Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: MAXSuicide
Originally by: Thargat
Judging alliances and corps by their KBs is bad mkay?
(no pun intended)
once upon a time it was pvp that kept ur space...
You're being two-dimentional. There's all kinds of PVP out there. Some of it loses space.
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FuQue
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:11:00 -
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Using KB stats to diagnose efficiency is like putting screen-doors on a submarine to improve airflow.
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Ivor Gunn
No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:13:00 -
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Both of those alliances are backed up by bigger, nastier mother******* who stand behind their pets looking scary whenever any attackers turn up.
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marakor
Gallente
Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: FuQue
Using KB stats to diagnose efficiency is like putting screen-doors on a submarine to improve airflow.
And recruiting to gain space by spamming fleets into systems for long nights of frozen screens and crashing nodes is as much PVP as mining veld in a 1.0 system.
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Khanid Kutie
I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: matoni
Whatever Hydra is doing, in ****ing you off they're at least doing something right.
not rly ****ing me off tbh....just an observation as to alliances who suck at pvp and why theyre allowed to hold space. And who you all think doesnt deserve to own space based on such poor efficiency.
DeSTiNy. also has pathetic numbers on their boards. And we all know Tri kicked PL out of Deklein for being a ****ty pvp alliance, why havent they taken the extra step and kicked destiny out of upper dek?
It's not so much about HYDRA, although theyve probably got the worst 0.0 alliance KB stats, but more a question as to why alliances who cant defend themselves properly havent been threatened with a loss of space.
Also wana know who YOU all think doesnt deserve to hold 0.0 space based on their limited pvp capabilities.
Get past the "hydra is ****ing you off" stuff, silly, and read my whole OP, and maybe youll be able to form a reasonable answer ;)
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:19:00 -
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Spaceholding alliances that are weak alone are actually pretty common. All they need is a strong patron or significant NAP collection to keep them afloat.
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Mohadir Elrutra
Minmatar
Veritas Amplus et Talio
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:21:00 -
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Insurgency suck at defending there space
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marakor
Gallente
Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 14/01/2008 19:27:04
In hydras defence they have had over the last few months long visits from MDK and TERRA INCOGNITA now both of these alliances/corps are some pure and serious pvpers and i can think of few who could get better stats against them and a lot do much worse.
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: marakor
And recruiting to gain space by spamming fleets into systems for long nights of frozen screens and crashing nodes is as much PVP as mining veld in a 1.0 system.
depends. seems like half the time i try to mine veld there is someone trying to flip my can. sucks having a command ship alt aligned nearby but definitely yields pvp.
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Khanid Kutie
I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: marakor
In hydras defence they have had over the last few months long visits from MDK and TERRA INCOGNITA now both of alliances/corps are some pure and serious pvpers and i can think of few who could get better stats against them and a lot do much worse.
i do believe the alliances in question have had ****ty KB stats since long before this post. (in hydra's case, im near positive that this is the case for at least 1 year on hydra's board)
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DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:38:00 -
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Judging by Goonfleet's KB, they have absolutely no right to hold space either.
All they do is fly t1 frigs, there's no way t1 frigs could stand up against the might of The Alliance.
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DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:38:00 -
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Also
My K:D Ratio Backbone!
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Tinka Toy
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:40:00 -
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Hydra is ripe for the picking for a lot of reasons. You'll have to approach Pure/MM on the diplomatic side and get approval first though. For the right price they might turn a blind eye, and claim they're too busy in the South to bother defending Hydra. Hydra itself isn't capable of doing squat, and they're losing PvP corps left and right as it is.
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Hrin
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: DaiTengu
Also
My K:D Ratio Backbone!
Seriously, our K/D ratio is horrible, how do people lose to us?
We deserve a drone region with this kind of K/D.
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DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Hrin
Originally by: DaiTengu
Also
My K:D Ratio Backbone!
Seriously, our K/D ratio is horrible, how do people lose to us?
We deserve a drone region with this kind of K/D.
We should just go back to Syndicate imo tbqh.
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Mark Lucius
The Vinlanders
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Khanid Kutie
I've been spending my morning today looking at various alliance Killboards and wondering why some of these alliance holding space are STILL holding space.
Most noticeably is Hydra Alliance. 44% Killboard efficiency, and no ones decided to threaten their sov? Also United Legion has pretty crappy KB efficiency.
Who do you guys think is the least worthy to hold 0.0 space? (minus bob and goons, we all know how the majority feel about them).
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:51:00 -
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How about Mr. Alt go and take their space then with his main?
"Bring back the pain."
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Khanid Kutie
I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
How about Mr. Alt go and take their space then with his main?
too many ****ty alliances for me to take by myself.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.01.14 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Khanid Kutie
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
How about Mr. Alt go and take their space then with his main?
too many ****ty alliances for me to take by myself.
Replying to excuse post.
"Bring back the pain."
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
The JORG Corporation
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Vasili Z
You'll find all the actual pvpers who play just to pvp don't care about POS or sov
Correct.
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Farham
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:04:00 -
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Quote:
too many ****ty alliances for me to take by myself.
I think my irony meter just broke, feel ten stories into the street and got run over by a steamroller.
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FeeLtheSWARTZ
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
Elemental Fury
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:04:00 -
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/votes DESTINY. isk farmers even quit this alliance. They are horrible in every aspect, not just pvp.
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Togakure
Slacker Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:08:00 -
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This thread reads more like "Who is posting but shouldn't"
If OP doesn't like Hydra, go remove them yourself. Otherwise, STFU.
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FeeLtheSWARTZ
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
Elemental Fury
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: 5n4keyes
Tho feel free to drop by any time u want and pew pew 
Ill take a trip up there sometime soon to say hi 
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Starfall Hammer
Starfall Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Khanid Kutie
Originally by: marakor
In hydras defence they have had over the last few months long visits from MDK and TERRA INCOGNITA now both of alliances/corps are some pure and serious pvpers and i can think of few who could get better stats against them and a lot do much worse.
i do believe the alliances in question have had ****ty KB stats since long before this post. (in hydra's case, im near positive that this is the case for at least 1 year on hydra's board)
The person you are quoting's main is in jorg corp hence the reference to TI being so l33t lol
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
The JORG Corporation
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Starfall Hammer
Originally by: Khanid Kutie
Originally by: marakor
In hydras defence they have had over the last few months long visits from MDK and TERRA INCOGNITA now both of alliances/corps are some pure and serious pvpers and i can think of few who could get better stats against them and a lot do much worse.
i do believe the alliances in question have had ****ty KB stats since long before this post. (in hydra's case, im near positive that this is the case for at least 1 year on hydra's board)
The person you are quoting's main is in jorg corp hence the reference to TI being so l33t lol
Bud by the time we left hydra space they wished they had 44% efficiency.
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Lsf XXi
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:33:00 -
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Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes.
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Andnowthenews
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lsf XXi
Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes.
As far as taking space is concerned RAGOONS are proly amoung the best but tbh all it takes is numbers and naps.
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General StarScream
Borg Collective hive mind
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:48:00 -
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Ye lol killbord stats dont mean ****.
some people are to rich to care about losing a ship vs some fun, its quite fun to die as well. and the thrill of winning vs big ods are quite fun
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Kvaell
Minmatar
Terra Incognita
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:50:00 -
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DMC is teh suxxor
No caps, no ships, no isk. Just Drone NPC'ers shooting reds who goes by. Heard they dropped T1 alloys instead of modules. Like plush "rusted" compounds is ever going to outdamage lasers
Down with them drone dwellers I say.
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Seth'Al
Red Dawn Empire
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:53:00 -
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Hey Hey Hey now.. Drone Region used to be great before the drone nerf! shooting ppl while ratting FTW! =p
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Phisix
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.01.14 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: Phisix on 14/01/2008 20:56:08
Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean
Originally by: Starfall Hammer
Originally by: Khanid Kutie
Originally by: marakor
In hydras defence they have had over the last few months long visits from MDK and TERRA INCOGNITA now both of alliances/corps are some pure and serious pvpers and i can think of few who could get better stats against them and a lot do much worse.
i do believe the alliances in question have had ****ty KB stats since long before this post. (in hydra's case, im near positive that this is the case for at least 1 year on hydra's board)
like yourself.
The person you are quoting's main is in jorg corp hence the reference to TI being so l33t lol
Bud by the time we left hydra space they wished they had 44% efficiency.
Look at this guy riding on burn edens coat tails. The JORG corp is a joke, much
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Ju Ming
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:01:00 -
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Khanid Kutie
Thinking your not living in 0.0 which is cool so not going to flame you.
Okay, it is not really about KB ratios but rather are you willing to die and enage others for your space when it has sov threatened. Also, can you afford to replace your loses or are you losing so much in assets you need to retreat before you go broke.
For Alliances like United Legion, they hold their space and contribute to the Red Swarm Federation - RA , Goons & TCF. I think of United Legion as key part of RSF even though they lack a letter :)
As for Hyrda, this was answered by their allies in this thread, if they contribute and pull their weight and are holding SOV then I guess they must be doing something right.
Also you need to know that a number of strong alliances have smaller Alliances / Corps in their space that on their own could not hold space in 0.0. But that could probably also be said even for strong Alliances if they did not have Allies.
FYI: Examples of a strong small Alliance holding SOV would be Stain Empire.
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Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:07:00 -
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Hey i know your main lol
Well some of us nerds are fighting daily to get this killboard accurate. our stats suck? yeah. but they're real(btw i honestly send 50M isk to someone who walktrhough me through any API-killboard posting software that i can check the code for. we still have many kills/losses that arent there)
We'll succeed, or die trying. either way we'll have fun.
we got personal teachers, with individual alliance/alliance lessons, that's Triumvirate. lately we had also MDK, a bit of KIA, and Burn Eden/Jorg. those teachers even did extra time to teach us that yeah we needed to be a bit less careless on the assaults :p
previous big loss was Red Alliance(in the DMC thingie last month, 2x titans on my face argh!), previous big one was Triumvirate again when they first took out this 123244 dread fleets on our ass.
we die a lot, but we learn from the best. We lost a lot of extra fat already, and its getting better. You do not imagine the state of the alliance a year ago. And you know? some of us enjoy those "non too established" groups where you really feel you can bring something for improvement
those 4 caps losses wont be the last of our mistakes, for sure, but personally im damn proud to see all the progress that was made. Would i want a 33444 mothership fleet? yeah damn right of course. Am i frustrated to see stupid losses? of course! im half of them btw :D
Am i having fun? yeah. im not peon #23459, and noone is. im not thinking omg we can lose everything.
Every single bit is an improvement. Name 10 alliances who can say that. Boredom is for sure something you never find in Hydra.
i sometimes wish :D
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Lsf XXi
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Andnowthenews
Originally by: Lsf XXi
Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes.
As far as taking space is concerned RAGOONS are proly amoung the best but tbh all it takes is numbers and naps.
I dunno man take a look at this:
Battleclinic top losses by alliance:
GoonSwarm 91,166
Firmus Ixion 41,751
Ascendant Frontier 40,484
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate 37,347
Lotka Volterra 32,339
Knights Of the Southerncross 31,266
Red Alliance 28,203
Band of Brothers 26,471
We've lost more than 3x what bob has! Soon they will run us back to scalding pass :(. Everyone knows only K:D matters in eve.
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sophisticatedlimabean
Gallente
The JORG Corporation
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:11:00 -
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Edited by: sophisticatedlimabean on 14/01/2008 21:15:14
Originally by: Phisix
Look at me im an idiot who thinks i know who the FC's are in terra incognita and because ive actualy heard of BE il make a wild guess about other member corps in the alliance and how they devide their membership
Fixed it for ya bud.
Before you make another stupid comment on things you know nothing about i suggest you find out a lot more about TJORG and dofa for that matter.
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Star Nove
Minmatar
Blueprint Haus
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:12:00 -
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GF guys! The best moment for me was when SATAN yells in Local "WILL YOU JUST DIE"
I was trying to type "WILL YOU JUST RUN OUT OF AMMO"? but my hands were shaking so much I couldn't get the words out.. :-)
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The views expressed in this post are mine and in no way reflect the views of my Corp, my Alliance or my pet Iquana, Julio Ignacio DoubleGlazias. |
Andnowthenews
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lsf XXi
Originally by: Andnowthenews
Originally by: Lsf XXi
Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes.
As far as taking space is concerned RAGOONS are proly amoung the best but tbh all it takes is numbers and naps.
I dunno man take a look at this:
Battleclinic top losses by alliance:
GoonSwarm 91,166
Firmus Ixion 41,751
Ascendant Frontier 40,484
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate 37,347
Lotka Volterra 32,339
Knights Of the Southerncross 31,266
Red Alliance 28,203
Band of Brothers 26,471
We've lost more than 3x what bob has! Soon they will run us back to scalding pass :(. Everyone knows only K:D matters in eve.
Buddy all that does is confirm the fact that PVP has nothing to do with taking or holding space its about having the numbers to blob spam.
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Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: DaiTengu
Judging by Goonfleet's KB, they have absolutely no right to hold space either.
All they do is fly t1 frigs, there's no way t1 frigs could stand up against the might of The Alliance.
Some facts about Goonswarm's K : D ratio
-91k losses.
-More losses than any other alliance other than unknown and unallied people.
-More losses than ASCN and FIX combined.
Also about Goonfleet corp
-60k losses
-more losses than any other corp except state war academy and republic military school
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Guns nButter
The Nietzian Way
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Guns nButter on 14/01/2008 21:30:12
i mean, our efficiency was at 80% for like 2 months. we sure can't hold our own space with a cap fleet thats smaller than most noob corps. but i bet we can out-mine those macro-miners any day >.>
we're all carebears, serously.
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Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:33:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Andnowthenews
Edited by: Andnowthenews on 14/01/2008 21:17:31
Edited by: Andnowthenews on 14/01/2008 21:17:05
Originally by: Lsf XXi
Originally by: Andnowthenews
Originally by: Lsf XXi
Goons. We don't even care about k:d ratio so we obviously don't have what it takes.
As far as taking space is concerned RAGOONS are proly amoung the best but tbh all it takes is numbers and naps.
I dunno man take a look at this:
Battleclinic top losses by alliance:
GoonSwarm 91,166
Firmus Ixion 41,751
Ascendant Frontier 40,484
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate 37,347
Lotka Volterra 32,339
Knights Of the Southerncross 31,266
Red Alliance 28,203
Band of Brothers 26,471
We've lost more than 3x what bob has! Soon they will run us back to scalding pass :(. Everyone knows only K:D matters in eve.
Buddy all that does is confirm the fact that PVP has nothing to do with taking or holding space its about having the numbers to blob spam.
K/D matters to pvpers but to space holders and takers it would be the end to GS and those like you who just spam skilless fleet after fleet at enemies to gain a bit of ground.
look at the little unimportant guy eve-society has just forgotten about! Not talking about your alt either
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Andnowthenews
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:46:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
GoonSwarm 91,166
Band of Brothers 26,471
look at the little unimportant guy eve-society has just forgotten about! Not talking about your alt either
Congratulation you have not managed to achieve what bob did and it has cost you 3 times the losses while you have triple the numbers. Im glad im not as important as you are i realy realy realy am.
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Swamp Ziro
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 21:48:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Andnowthenews
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
GoonSwarm 91,166
Band of Brothers 26,471
look at the little unimportant guy eve-society has just forgotten about! Not talking about your alt either
Congratulation you have not managed to achieve what bob did and it has cost you 3 times the losses while you have triple the numbers. Im glad im not as important as you are i realy realy realy am.
I'm achieving something right now if you know what I meaaaaannn uhhhhhh uh uh
aahhh
thanks
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Lsf XXi
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:11:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Swamp Ziro
I'm achieving something right now if you know what I meaaaaannn uhhhhhh uh uh
aahhh
thanks
Jesus man you achieved all over his back. That is not cool.
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Vahl
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:12:00 -
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I'm a bit annoyed that we haven't hit 100K losses yet. Goons are underachievers on top of being horrible at pvp.
:effort:
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Ju Ming
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ju Ming on 14/01/2008 22:26:12
Hey there
Its also important to understand that if you want a really low Kill ration you dont undock or engage. This is also one of the best ways to lose space when push comes to shove.
Also KB Ratios are not as a rule correct especially when the Board you are checking tends to have mixed fleets. The reason being that if my KB shows a kill done by 10 Ships and 1 was lost but only 2 ships involved in the kill will be posting loses on my board it sort of skews the numbers.
But in the end its not just about Kill Ratios its actually about who is ready to put their assets and time on the line to hold space. This means doing logistics, tearing down hostile POS and enaging both fleets and causing grief in your enemies farming areas.
Also some players care more then others if they get killed and may or may not be more likely to put either cheap or shinny stuff on the line. In the Swarm its very common to have players go on suicide attack runs in any thing from Frigates to Battleships. For others like Tri, they roam all areas of EvE in their Nano Snake gangs looking for fights knowing they might get killed and podded.
But there are others that when they finally find themselves under attack they fold as SOV holding entities. Some Alliances have had to face harsh realization that they mostly recruited farmers that have no intention to fight.
So its not really about how many Kills you get but rather when a fight comes to your systems do you fight if its realistic so you can hold SOV.
Fly Well
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Del369
Caldari
Office linebackers
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:44:00 -
[55]
Something tells me the OP is simply trying to divert EVERYONE from the larger issue, divide and conquer if you will, try harder OP 
Originally by: Saladin
Edit: I never post disclaimers in any of my more contrversial posts because I think anyone who thinks I am speaking for anyone other than myself is a muppet anyways.
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Ituralde
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:46:00 -
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TRI sucks we shouldn't hold sov paper tiger etc amirite?
Anyhow, agreeing with the goon for once in a lifetime - I'd say an alliance that gives it's best shot regularly but gets their ass handed to them is a better alliance more deserving of the space it owns than the one who doesn't dare take risks in combat.
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Fear is the mind-killer.
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Lee ChanKa
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.14 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 14/01/2008 22:55:14
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