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Professor Bunsen
Optech Mineral Ventures
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:04:00 -
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You are a sleuth with the nose of a bloodhound Trilori! I'm sensing you will get your prey with this one.
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Trilori
Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Bunsen You are a sleuth with the nose of a bloodhound Trilori! I'm sensing you will get your prey with this one.
Thank you :) I'll be back to haunt you next! :P
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Elena Lanfear
Crafty Productions
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Trilori I'm still interested in your trial throw away characters whatever you call them. The one I am most specifically interested in is Okeus, I'm not totally interested in Milo Halcyn (sp?).
Without doing missions on your Tas Rans main, how did you obtain the funds? Player donations? I would have to assume you had quite a bit of funds from your alts or trial throw away characters if you want to call it that.
I believe you need to disclose more than just your main, we need to see where the trail is coming from to prove where your income originally came from, you didn't get to 1.5B from 0 I know that; either A) you got them from your alts/trial characters B) you did mission running on an alt you haven't disclosed yet).
Now I'm starting to see something I don't like... this is where I will put it in the ground.
I can think of at least one possibility (ok, to be honest, two) to get some ISK. And neither of them has something to do with mission running or transferring ISK from alts ;-).
-Elena
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Trilori
Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Elena Lanfear
Originally by: Trilori I'm still interested in your trial throw away characters whatever you call them. The one I am most specifically interested in is Okeus, I'm not totally interested in Milo Halcyn (sp?).
Without doing missions on your Tas Rans main, how did you obtain the funds? Player donations? I would have to assume you had quite a bit of funds from your alts or trial throw away characters if you want to call it that.
I believe you need to disclose more than just your main, we need to see where the trail is coming from to prove where your income originally came from, you didn't get to 1.5B from 0 I know that; either A) you got them from your alts/trial characters B) you did mission running on an alt you haven't disclosed yet).
Now I'm starting to see something I don't like... this is where I will put it in the ground.
I can think of at least one possibility (ok, to be honest, two) to get some ISK. And neither of them has something to do with mission running or transferring ISK from alts ;-).
-Elena
You mean simply creating a new character and getting the 5k from it? I don't know if that is enough, whats your idea? I mean if you don't think it is mission running, what is it? Okeus and Milo both have mission running standings and maybe enough to get 1-5M per character mission running at that age.
Please explain your theory.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Trilori You mean simply creating a new character and getting the 5k from it?
You are so funny Trilori. He meant buying isk
To the OP. Way too much being requested. Tone it down to about 1.5b and try again is my honest opinion.
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Elena Lanfear
Crafty Productions
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:41:00 -
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SHE, but that was indeed my idea. ;-)
Scamming/begging in local or buying a GTC and sell it for ISK.
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Trilori
Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Elena Lanfear SHE, but that was indeed my idea. ;-)
Scamming/begging in local or buying a GTC and sell it for ISK.
Why didn't he say so? No a scammer isn't going to tell everybody they scammed thats not what I meant. I would have gladly told people I obtained my capital from GTCs, its legit some may not like it but its there and CCP approves of it.
Thats how I get my capital once in awhile when I need it.
I'm still interested in knowing.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Trilori I'm still interested in knowing.
Maybe he earnt it
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Mensageiro Cai
Project 1.5
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:53:00 -
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Without jumping on the hate-wagon, one other thought came to mind.
If you are simply trading, why do you need more ISK? To cover more of the market? What's in it for you?
I raised ISK for a Freighter, which you can afford. Other options for ISK raising include buying BPO's, Research, Mineral Speculation, POS Placement, 0.0 Stocking etc. You are doing neither of these things. |
Trilori
Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:54:00 -
[40]
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
Originally by: Trilori I'm still interested in knowing.
Maybe he earnt it
indeed, even if he used GTCs he still earned it, real money is earned so therefore GTCs he bought with earned money so he earned the ISK.
I have no problem with that, but explaining how he got so much in so little time would be fruitious.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:55:00 -
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If you can turn zero into 1.5b in three months getting public capital isn't worth it. Better to just keep on soldiering on. In theory you could have 8b in another 3 months, and 20b three months after that. (yeh I didn't do any calcs for that math).
Asking for public funds to the tune of that amount at such an early age is something I just can't see flying bud.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Trilori
Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
Originally by: Trilori I'm still interested in knowing.
Maybe he earnt it
indeed, even if he used GTCs he still earned it, real money is earned so therefore GTCs he bought with earned money so he earned the ISK.
Maybe he earnt it
Quote: I have no problem with that, but explaining how he got so much in so little time would be fruitious.
Maybe he's good at earning it
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Trilori
Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: EBANK Ricdic If you can turn zero into 1.5b in three months getting public capital isn't worth it. Better to just keep on soldiering on. In theory you could have 8b in another 3 months, and 20b three months after that. (yeh I didn't do any calcs for that math).
Asking for public funds to the tune of that amount at such an early age is something I just can't see flying bud.
I do, if he had incredible backing but then again he might as well borrow from his backer if he had one.
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Mensageiro Cai
Project 1.5
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Posted - 2008.01.15 16:11:00 -
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Working backwards (maths!), if you earn around 20% per month, regardless of capital then to get to 1.5B in 3 months you started with 900M.
Yes, I know it is possible to make 150M per week, but you have made approximately 125M per week, as a new character which is odd.
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Trilori
Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mensageiro Cai Working backwards (maths!), if you earn around 20% per month, regardless of capital then to get to 1.5B in 3 months you started with 900M.
Yes, I know it is possible to make 150M per week, but you have made approximately 125M per week, as a new character which is odd.
Can you fill in the blanks please.
ofc we'll let him speak for himself, but the only way to get that kind of capital that young is GTCs as another poster stated.
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Mr McCargo
The Paradox Continium Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.15 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Trilori
Originally by: Mensageiro Cai Working backwards (maths!), if you earn around 20% per month, regardless of capital then to get to 1.5B in 3 months you started with 900M.
Yes, I know it is possible to make 150M per week, but you have made approximately 125M per week, as a new character which is odd.
Can you fill in the blanks please.
ofc we'll let him speak for himself, but the only way to get that kind of capital that young is GTCs as another poster stated.
You, sir, must be kidding as 1.5b can quite easily be obtainable in trading even in the first month. 15b with the first 3 months might seem suspicious, but not just 1.5b, certainly not.
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matoni
Open Season
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Posted - 2008.01.15 16:49:00 -
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It's not impossible, provided a little start-up capital. If you begin with 100m and re-invest all your profit, with a 10% daily profit you will have a billion after 3-4 weeks.
Of course getting there with only 5000 ISK is another matter entirely
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Mensageiro Cai
Project 1.5
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Posted - 2008.01.15 16:49:00 -
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It is possible, i'm not doubting that. I'm querying the payout values, and his basis for these assumptions. |
Trilori
Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Mr McCargo
Originally by: Trilori
Originally by: Mensageiro Cai Working backwards (maths!), if you earn around 20% per month, regardless of capital then to get to 1.5B in 3 months you started with 900M.
Yes, I know it is possible to make 150M per week, but you have made approximately 125M per week, as a new character which is odd.
Can you fill in the blanks please.
ofc we'll let him speak for himself, but the only way to get that kind of capital that young is GTCs as another poster stated.
You, sir, must be kidding as 1.5b can quite easily be obtainable in trading even in the first month. 15b with the first 3 months might seem suspicious, but not just 1.5b, certainly not.
Really? you start off with 5k as a new toon, you do mission ratting and maybe make 150-300M in a month and while doing that you put alittle into the trading aspect I'm not sure how you would make 100-150M/week as a 1-3 month old toon.
I don't do the math, so just because someone says they can make 150M/week as a new toon by doing the math doesn't mean I believe them or not.
Lets see your math and see how it compares with other maths people have already done.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.15 17:15:00 -
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Edited by: Shadarle on 15/01/2008 17:17:31 Trilori, please, take a bit of a break here. I know you think you're being a bloodhound... but honestly, you're just getting a bit annoying.
First: People should stop asking for security on everything, most IPO's don't have it.
Second: Making 1.5b in 3 months isn't impossible.
Third: Making 100% profits on 1b isn't impossible, in fact it's fairly easy, so 20% isn't either.
Forth: People need to stop asking for guaranteed payments all the time. Recently all we've had are bonds which are guaranteed payments. The really good IPO's are those with % payments. Sometimes you'll end up with one at 5% others you'll get one that pays 10-20%. This is where the true fun of IPO's lies. Stop trying to kill these off by asking for a guaranteed low return.
All that said, there is clearly something that hasn't been said here. I have a very hard time believing the OP truly made 1.5b trading and hasn't run a single mission. The main reason being that mission running drastically lowers the broker fees which makes trading more profitable. On top of that, if he has not run a single mission then what has he been training for 3 months? He obviously hasn't been training many trading skills as the SS shows his tax is still 1% and broker fee is still .9%.
Another thing, why is there only 250 mil in escrow? He doesn't have margin trading trained. This means he is using only 250 mil currently + whatever he has yet to re-sell. Either he has 1+ billion in unsold items (which seems unlikely, I've never had 4 times my escrow in unsold items before but maybe he does) or he isn't even using all of his ISK now... and he wants 6.5B more.
Until the OP comes clean about whatever it is he isn't telling us then I'd stay far away. If this is truly his main I would eat my hat. Perhaps it is the character he has been playing the most over the last few months, but I have a strong suspicion he has an older character that funded this one.
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Mr McCargo
The Paradox Continium Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.15 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Trilori
Really? you start off with 5k as a new toon, you do mission ratting and maybe make 150-300M in a month and while doing that you put alittle into the trading aspect I'm not sure how you would make 100-150M/week as a 1-3 month old toon.
I don't do the math, so just because someone says they can make 150M/week as a new toon by doing the math doesn't mean I believe them or not.
Lets see your math and see how it compares with other maths people have already done.
My math is that you do just enough missions to get your first few millions and then start "trading" (actually just buying things low and hauling them to another place, where there is a higher buy order - that is not trading in my eyes, but some call it that way) and in the first week or two you should have about a hundred million or two. By that time you should already have Margin Trading and then it's worth putting up orders. If you stay online long enough to keep an eye on your orders then you should make at least 1b with the first 6 months. In 3 months you may have had some time to do some missions, thus lowering your broker fees, and by that time you should be making at least 1b a week (probably more). Actually, that is how I started out and it may not be the same for others as not everyone can stay online for 3-4 hours every day, but 1.5b with three months - should be no problem to anyone.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.01.15 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: EBANK Ricdic on 15/01/2008 17:19:47 Sounds to me like a physical challenge.
Bouncer Ricdic is a newly created alt of mine without any trade related skills (came with Trade Level 3), standings, mission history, contract history etc.
I am heading him to Jita now to see if he can corner the market, and determine how fast we can turn that wallet into a pretty sum without resorting to violence (read: missions)
Will keep you updated (maybe in a new thread tho)
Edit: Shadarle makes some great points but I am still gonna pwn Jita.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.15 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mr McCargo
Originally by: Trilori
Really? you start off with 5k as a new toon, you do mission ratting and maybe make 150-300M in a month and while doing that you put alittle into the trading aspect I'm not sure how you would make 100-150M/week as a 1-3 month old toon.
I don't do the math, so just because someone says they can make 150M/week as a new toon by doing the math doesn't mean I believe them or not.
Lets see your math and see how it compares with other maths people have already done.
My math is that you do just enough missions to get your first few millions and then start "trading" (actually just buying things low and hauling them to another place, where there is a higher buy order - that is not trading in my eyes, but some call it that way) and in the first week or two you should have about a hundred million or two. By that time you should already have Margin Trading and then it's worth putting up orders. If you stay online long enough to keep an eye on your orders then you should make at least 1b with the first 6 months. In 3 months you may have had some time to do some missions, thus lowering your broker fees, and by that time you should be making at least 1b a week (probably more). Actually, that is how I started out and it may not be the same for others as not everyone can stay online for 3-4 hours every day, but 1.5b with three months - should be no problem to anyone.
In theory you are right, but it doesn't apply to this thread as the OP has run 0 missions and does not have margin trading. Makes it a bit fishy, since he isn't explaining where the money came from.
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.01.15 17:21:00 -
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As basically a noob (2 years of VERY on and off experience *mining* doesn't really count) I started a new trader character in December of 2006. I had 5m ISK from mining and I turned that into a billion in a month. It is most definitely possible to get to 1.5b in 3 months. Not saying the OP actually did that, I know nothing about them, just saying it's possible.
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Trilori
Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle Edited by: Shadarle on 15/01/2008 17:17:31 Trilori, please, take a bit of a break here. I know you think you're being a bloodhound... but honestly, you're just getting a bit annoying.
If I am so annoying to you, then ignore me. Same for everybody else. And stop telling people what to do Shad.
Quote: First: People should stop asking for security on everything, most IPO's don't have it.
I never asked for security, some others have, and I suggested that a 3rd party be the facilitator of his funds like in RDIR (Revelations Direct) that still doesn't make it secure either and don't expect it to.
Quote: Second: Making 1.5b in 3 months isn't impossible.
Third: Making 100% profits on 1b isn't impossible, in fact it's fairly easy, so 20% isn't either.
I'm sure its possible, but the numbers need to add up somehow.
Quote: Forth: People need to stop asking for guaranteed payments all the time. Recently all we've had are bonds which are guaranteed payments. The really good IPO's are those with % payments. Sometimes you'll end up with one at 5% others you'll get one that pays 10-20%. This is where the true fun of IPO's lies. Stop trying to kill these off by asking for a guaranteed low return.
Agreed
Quote: All that said, there is clearly something that hasn't been said here. I have a very hard time believing the OP truly made 1.5b trading and hasn't run a single mission. The main reason being that mission running drastically lowers the broker fees which makes trading more profitable. On top of that, if he has not run a single mission then what has he been training for 3 months? He obviously hasn't been training many trading skills as the SS shows his tax is still 1% and broker fee is still .9%.
He says he has a main or a trading main/alt whatever, he won't disclose that so I'll bet thats the highly skilled character he has if it even exists.
I've been trying to say this, none of his characters he has showed us lead to trading and either he is hiding another character he doesn't want us to see because A) it doesn't have the skills or B) It has skills and it has something nobody wants to see on a character
Quote: Another thing, why is there only 250 mil in escrow? He doesn't have margin trading trained. This means he is using only 250 mil currently + whatever he has yet to re-sell. Either he has 1+ billion in unsold items (which seems unlikely, I've never had 4 times my escrow in unsold items before but maybe he does) or he isn't even using all of his ISK now... and he wants 6.5B more.
Like I would believe that screenshot anyhow, its just a screenshot with a partial screen. Anybody can make that, or borrow it from a random screenshot hosted somewhere and slap it in a thread. It can also be altered, I just don't think its his anyway.
Quote: Until the OP comes clean about whatever it is he isn't telling us then I'd stay far away. If this is truly his main I would eat my hat. Perhaps it is the character he has been playing the most over the last few months, but I have a strong suspicion he has an older character that funded this one.
been hinting at that.
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Trilori
Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mr McCargo
Originally by: Trilori
Really? you start off with 5k as a new toon, you do mission ratting and maybe make 150-300M in a month and while doing that you put alittle into the trading aspect I'm not sure how you would make 100-150M/week as a 1-3 month old toon.
I don't do the math, so just because someone says they can make 150M/week as a new toon by doing the math doesn't mean I believe them or not.
Lets see your math and see how it compares with other maths people have already done.
My math is that you do just enough missions to get your first few millions and then start "trading" (actually just buying things low and hauling them to another place, where there is a higher buy order - that is not trading in my eyes, but some call it that way) and in the first week or two you should have about a hundred million or two. By that time you should already have Margin Trading and then it's worth putting up orders. If you stay online long enough to keep an eye on your orders then you should make at least 1b with the first 6 months. In 3 months you may have had some time to do some missions, thus lowering your broker fees, and by that time you should be making at least 1b a week (probably more). Actually, that is how I started out and it may not be the same for others as not everyone can stay online for 3-4 hours every day, but 1.5b with three months - should be no problem to anyone.
I was thinking in similar terms... go missioning and use the mission funds to buy/sell like you said thats what I did say somewhat in one of my posts.
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Trilori
Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Mr McCargo
Originally by: Trilori
Really? you start off with 5k as a new toon, you do mission ratting and maybe make 150-300M in a month and while doing that you put alittle into the trading aspect I'm not sure how you would make 100-150M/week as a 1-3 month old toon.
I don't do the math, so just because someone says they can make 150M/week as a new toon by doing the math doesn't mean I believe them or not.
Lets see your math and see how it compares with other maths people have already done.
My math is that you do just enough missions to get your first few millions and then start "trading" (actually just buying things low and hauling them to another place, where there is a higher buy order - that is not trading in my eyes, but some call it that way) and in the first week or two you should have about a hundred million or two. By that time you should already have Margin Trading and then it's worth putting up orders. If you stay online long enough to keep an eye on your orders then you should make at least 1b with the first 6 months. In 3 months you may have had some time to do some missions, thus lowering your broker fees, and by that time you should be making at least 1b a week (probably more). Actually, that is how I started out and it may not be the same for others as not everyone can stay online for 3-4 hours every day, but 1.5b with three months - should be no problem to anyone.
In theory you are right, but it doesn't apply to this thread as the OP has run 0 missions and does not have margin trading. Makes it a bit fishy, since he isn't explaining where the money came from.
In theory this is still correct, however he ran missions on two other chars. One of them is Milo Hycoln (sp?) and Okeus they both have mission standings as to why he created Tas Rans is beyond me, he could have used either one of those older characters. Milo is the oldest of his three total.
Okeus is his 2nd oldest, I suspect he is using that character for mission running and using Tas Rans to do his trade but then that makes no sense either.
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Trilori
Caldari GearBox Fleet Svcs
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Posted - 2008.01.15 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Trilori
Originally by: Shadarle Edited by: Shadarle on 15/01/2008 17:17:31 Trilori, please, take a bit of a break here. I know you think you're being a bloodhound... but honestly, you're just getting a bit annoying.
If I am so annoying to you, then ignore me. Same for everybody else. And stop telling people what to do Shad.
Quote: First: People should stop asking for security on everything, most IPO's don't have it.
I never asked for security, some others have, and I suggested that a 3rd party be the facilitator of his funds like in RDIR (Revelations Direct) that still doesn't make it secure either and don't expect it to.
Someone handling his IPO money to minimize risks is still not secure or asking for security as much as putting down collateral as he probably has none anyhow. I don't see anything wrong with this method as it was done with RDIR.
Quote: Second: Making 1.5b in 3 months isn't impossible.
Third: Making 100% profits on 1b isn't impossible, in fact it's fairly easy, so 20% isn't either.
I'm sure its possible, but the numbers need to add up somehow.
Quote: Forth: People need to stop asking for guaranteed payments all the time. Recently all we've had are bonds which are guaranteed payments. The really good IPO's are those with % payments. Sometimes you'll end up with one at 5% others you'll get one that pays 10-20%. This is where the true fun of IPO's lies. Stop trying to kill these off by asking for a guaranteed low return.
Agreed
Quote: All that said, there is clearly something that hasn't been said here. I have a very hard time believing the OP truly made 1.5b trading and hasn't run a single mission. The main reason being that mission running drastically lowers the broker fees which makes trading more profitable. On top of that, if he has not run a single mission then what has he been training for 3 months? He obviously hasn't been training many trading skills as the SS shows his tax is still 1% and broker fee is still .9%.
He says he has a main or a trading main/alt whatever, he won't disclose that so I'll bet thats the highly skilled character he has if it even exists.
I've been trying to say this, none of his characters he has showed us lead to trading and either he is hiding another character he doesn't want us to see because A) it doesn't have the skills or B) It has skills and it has something nobody wants to see on a character
Quote: Another thing, why is there only 250 mil in escrow? He doesn't have margin trading trained. This means he is using only 250 mil currently + whatever he has yet to re-sell. Either he has 1+ billion in unsold items (which seems unlikely, I've never had 4 times my escrow in unsold items before but maybe he does) or he isn't even using all of his ISK now... and he wants 6.5B more.
Like I would believe that screenshot anyhow, its just a screenshot with a partial screen. Anybody can make that, or borrow it from a random screenshot hosted somewhere and slap it in a thread. It can also be altered, I just don't think its his anyway.
Quote: Until the OP comes clean about whatever it is he isn't telling us then I'd stay far away. If this is truly his main I would eat my hat. Perhaps it is the character he has been playing the most over the last few months, but I have a strong suspicion he has an older character that funded this one.
been hinting at that.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2008.01.15 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Bunsen Looking at your base broker fee of 0.9% and transaction tax of 1% doesnt look like you have spent long on your trade skills in those 3 months? Can't wait to see your char sheet
That's about the level of skills you get from an out of the box trade alt. If I'm remember correctly that's what my Market alt in Rens has who's never been trained past the initial skills. (Not a big Market player, just a character with a lot more orders than me to check prices, sell shiney things I find, and occasionally dabble just a bit in trading when all my orders aren't otherwise filled.)
To the OP: ineve.net is very simple. Go to the main page, click Register, put in your Used ID and API key (someone else already linked how to get those if you don't know how) and click Next Step. The rest should be self explanitory. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets. |
Kyrial Tidolfas
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Posted - 2008.01.16 13:29:00 -
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i feel a scam.
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