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Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
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Posted - 2012.02.13 23:04:00 -
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Xolve wrote: If you've never been in a large fleet battle (multiple fleets even) or you've never stepped foot into Null-Sec just shut up now, your opinion is worthless, your argument invalid.
I'm not knocking people for liking the system that allows you to do what the game (CCP) have promised for so long that you should be able to do, and you should.
Most of my disscusion on the subject has been regarding it's quality, why development has suffered because of CCP business diversification stratergy and the technicalities of such undertakings.
At no time have I posted to delibartely inflame annoy or otherwise insult anybody, I don't believe others could say the same.
Farnkly null sec is of no interest to me personally at this time, nor has it ever been, doesn't mean I have no right to have my say.
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Xolve
The Suicide Kings Test Alliance Please Ignore
870
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:03:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Farnkly null sec is of no interest to me personally at this time, nor has it ever been, doesn't mean I have no right to have my say.
Maybe my statement was a little too brash, I was simply implying that those that don't understand how much of a boon TiDi actually is, need not reply to this thread; understandably the entire node said battle is happening in can fall into TiDi, and TiDi can come into effect from a large group of players entering a system without any shots fired. Those who never experienced lag in Empire or LowSec because there were 4000 people battling it out in a system somewhere, crashing nodes, and sometimes the server don't understand how great this simple improvement is.
I also wouldn't consider it a permanent fix to the situation, its pretty great though being able to actually have large fleet battles without de-syncing from the servers, crashing, or staring at a black screen for hours (although jumping across a 240 AU system in Venal sucks at 10% TiDi).
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:21:00 -
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I wonder where Prof. was thinking CCP should source this better server hardware that doesn't actually exist in the real world. They already run one of the most powerful server clusters in the world, in the only single sharded MMO of this size in the world using some of the most unique technologies that exist for this sort of project. No one else is running a system like CCP does.
It honestly appears that you have no idea how the node system actually works and why it isn't possible to just throw more hardware at it. While it may be possible to host every single system in Eve on its own blade this is massively wasteful on an unimaginable scale given that the vast majority of systems in game are underutilized. If a small handful of players need to be inconvenienced for an hour or so, so thousands more can have fun... well tough ****.
Get a degree in software or hardware engineering and figure something better out. The best minds in game software are already doing the best they can. TiDi is one of the best things that has happened to this game in years and I hope Hillmar bought lamborghinis for the developers that implemented it.
CCP should put together another dream team to work on client side framerate issues next. 1500 fleet battles are bloody epic... as long as you don't dare show brackets. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
238
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Posted - 2012.02.14 01:24:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:I wonder where Prof. was thinking CCP should source this better server hardware that doesn't actually exist in the real world. They already run one of the most powerful server clusters in the world,.
Oh only one of the most powerful server clusters in a world where nothing better actually excists , your logic confounds me, Surely it must be the most powerful then.
/edit check the first port of call for info on tranquiltity (Evelopedia), scroll to the bottom and you will see what capacity TQ could be capable of with this hardware that according to you doesn't even excist was implemented, oh wait it doesn't excist
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.02.14 02:31:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:I wonder where Prof. was thinking CCP should source this better server hardware that doesn't actually exist in the real world. They already run one of the most powerful server clusters in the world,. Oh only one of the most powerful server clusters in a world where nothing better actually excists , your logic confounds me, Surely it must be the most powerful then. /edit check the first port of call for info on tranquiltity (Evelopedia), scroll to the bottom and you will see what capacity TQ could be capable of with this hardware that according to you doesn't even excist was implemented, oh wait it doesn't excist
You're becoming less and less coherent as you go. Either you're a brilliant troll or you're drinking. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
238
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Posted - 2012.02.14 02:42:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Professor Alphane wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:I wonder where Prof. was thinking CCP should source this better server hardware that doesn't actually exist in the real world. They already run one of the most powerful server clusters in the world,. Oh only one of the most powerful server clusters in a world where nothing better actually excists , your logic confounds me, Surely it must be the most powerful then. /edit check the first port of call for info on tranquiltity (Evelopedia), scroll to the bottom and you will see what capacity TQ could be capable of with this hardware that according to you doesn't even excist was implemented, oh wait it doesn't excist You're becoming less and less coherent as you go. Either you're a brilliant troll or you're drinking.
Sorry you told me that no upgrades to TQ where possible as they ' don't actually excist in the real world', and I was laughing so much I must have found it hard to type a decent retort.
Finally I'm neither drunk nor as stated earlier a troll (if you believe I am please quote where I have insulted or posted just to deliberataly annoy anyone) but thanks for your concerns
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Cyzlaki
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
239
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Posted - 2012.02.14 05:15:00 -
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Professor Alphane wrote:I didn't say there wasn't a problem before, or that this hasn't improved. What I said was it isn't a very good solution to said problem if it STILL causes others problems. TiDi is not a solution. It is a coping mechanism. The solution(s) are still being worked on. TiDi is just a stopgap for the interim. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
238
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Posted - 2012.02.14 06:51:00 -
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I know I'm sure they'll arrive Soon(tm)
Also as I've made a little bit of a song and dance about this issue, I thought I'd continue in the same vein and do it again, well a song at least.
So based on this post be CCP Veritas
Quote:there are 75 systems on that node today.
I humbly present
Alphies Ode to Tidi , feel free to sing along you'll know the tune and the words are pretty simple
Ahem
74 systems of lag for you all 74 systems of laaaag 1 fleet fight they go on all night 74 systems of lag for you all
148 systems of lag for you all 148 systems of laaaag 2 fleet fights they go on all night 148 systems of lag for you all
222 systmes of lag for you all 222 systmes of laaaag 3 fleet fights they go on all night 222 systems of lag for you all
296 systmes of lag for you all 296 systmes of laaaag 4 fleet fights they go on all night 296 systems of lag for you all
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
980
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Posted - 2012.02.14 06:56:00 -
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Quote:TiDi is not a solution. It is a coping mechanism. The solution(s) are still being worked on. TiDi is just a stopgap for the interim.
Quite correct.
TiDi is certainly not the perfect, ultimate solution... but that doesn't change the fact that it has improved everyone's game experience tremendously.
That goes for the people that would crash in a fleet battle as well as the people who would crash in another system on the same node as that battle.
If CCP had announced they had won the war on lag, and this was the final solution, I'd be right there with you Prof.
But they didn't, and took great pains to let us know that this was the quick and dirty solution they could implement now to make things better in the short run while they work on a better one.
However, even tremendously increasing the amount of hardware available, or dynamically shifting a battle onto a separate reinforced super node, will not solve the problem either. That would only be a stop gap until we upped the ante again with even larger engagements.
When this (inevitably) happens, at least TiDi is now in place to ease our collective pain. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
238
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Posted - 2012.02.14 07:14:00 -
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I understand what your saying ranger, though I feel the 'before you wouldn't have crashed' arguement is a little overrepesented considering people actually rarely engaged in these activities cos EVERYBODY lagged and crashed out.
Now massive fleet fights are possible , if they prolifirate then so will the nasty side effects of TiDi (as represented by my musical efforts) , how much ? we don't know , How many combatents does it take to trigger TiDi ? I'm not sure
What if null sec tactics where to change because of this and as people have more perception and awarness during engaments , the blob effect becomes less popular and enemies start spreading these massive fights over multiple systems at a time, large pockets across half a dozen systems, the lag side effects would be huge on non participants.
No one can see the future.
Another possible/probable side effect of this development decision opens up a whole other can of worms concerning the viability of trying to sync an intentinally out of sync server with another for the purposes of DUST.
Whole other subject I know (would also be interested how they intend to beta this DUST, what are they going to use as there 'beta' EVE)
The succses of any MMO is never gauranteed, it only take a few bad decisions to bring the whole house of cards crashing down, now I'm not saying it's tinfoil hat time, but with the DUST gamble further complicated and the mid to long term impact of Tidi unknown, it could be a rocky ride for CCP
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
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Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2012.02.14 09:15:00 -
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Doc Severide wrote:Translation of all this:
TiDi really does help large fleet battles which I would hoped it would. The old way was a big big problem...
BUT
Everyone else playing who is inconvienced... Tough, suck it up or quit...your game time isn't valued by many in the EVE community...
Who ever said life is fair???
And there we have it - Everyone but the large fleet battle ragers should quit EVE. Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2012.02.17 17:08:00 -
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I don't know what the actual hardware is that is running EVE.
I do have over 30 years experience of working with large IBM Mainframes. I have seen boxes running the current flavor of MVS, OS/390, z/OS, etc, service 30K users from Alaska to Florida giving each use sub second response time for everyone. With the current offerings of Mainframes which are really Enterprise Servers, I wonder if such an animal could do the job for EVE. On an ES you can run MVS, AIX, Windows, any OS out there and the current Storage Platforms out there in an Mainframe/Distributed System Data Center are very powerful.
Anyone else out there familiar with what I am talking about? |
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
58
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Posted - 2012.02.17 17:13:00 -
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CCP is kinda like apple...
Apple makes crap and people just can't pay enough for it.
Here people go OMG LAG AS A FEATURE! DO WANT.
rofl wtf?
Look I aint been in TIDI yet... so hell I could be wrong but...
Running 10% speed gives ya o idk... 10x as long to do things?
O and all you people saying blah blah... can't get the hardware.
One "word"
JITA
Cause all the buying, selling, pvp, locking, ships, bots doing market stuff... etc etc... with 1800 in local can run FINE right?
O right we come down to... the game can not trasnfer load from a node to another.... rather than working that out... CCP just decided to make lag a feature. |
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