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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.01.17 19:43:00 -
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I really think HUN Reloaded should get in there somehow.
In fact, I propose a change in the tournament rewards - that at least from now on, the winner of the last tournament (i.e. the current title holder) gets a slot reserved in the next one, which can only go to another alliance if the title holders actively refuse taking part.
The winner should always get a chance to be present and defend their cup. It is beneficial to the tournament as well, because people will be on the lookout for the title holders. As was pointed out quite correctly in a post a little earlier, viewers would rather see important, established names duke it out than lil Jhonny and friends. The tournament has already degenerated from a battle of shiny awesome ships to a battle of generic tech1 cruiser masses, let's not take away any more from it...
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Tehel Necrona
Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.01.17 20:15:00 -
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Shamis is right on the ball this time around, no confusion with the sign-ups and PL is in. My prayers worked
Now to start praying that PL don't come 2nd again, as i want us to come 1st or 3rd so i don't get an extra silver medal :P bronze or gold will do.
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Raem Civrie
Sons of Enelaise Enelaise
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Posted - 2008.01.17 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Malar
Originally by: Commander BlackJack
failure cascade
Originally by: CCP Mindstar If you wish to compete in the tournament - all is not lost! Sometimes alliances pull out, and we will be making a list of reserves that we may contact in the case of a withdrawal. If you want this to be you - please have your Alliance Executor contact GM Nova via EVE Mail as soon as possible.
The cup these guys wanna win is in our corp hangar wiseguy, its not like we are just random alliance #99253 wishing to join the tournament. So get your facts straight before posting generic quotes and wiseness. Thanks.
As for how this could have happened, i dont care. My priority right now is to get the situation fixed.
Do you pet it at night?
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gusta
The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.01.17 20:25:00 -
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sweet we made it in, GL to all who made it.
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Berand
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.01.17 21:18:00 -
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Majorly disappointed with this lineup. How the hell can the defending champions not be assured a place? For that matter, BoB won three of the last four tournaments. And now they don't get another shot at regaining their crown?
Bleh. This kills a lot of my interest in watching it.
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Draekas Darkwater
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2008.01.17 21:19:00 -
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GL to those that made it in. =D
As it seems to be getting more and more popular, maybe next time more teams can be let in, and cut the preliminary rounds down to 2 or 3 fights each, to make room for more teams.
I also agree that at least the defending champs should be reserved a slot, and perhaps contacted in game to let them know ahead of time. Not everyone reads the forums all that often.
Maybe an in-game, mass EVE mail from CCP to all alliance executors or even all CEOs/directors in the game, to let them know of upcoming events like this would help get the word out.
I'm looking forward to watching, regardless. =D
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Amergin
Gallente HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.01.17 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos As it stands, the slots have been filled, and the only potential way to compete is as a reserve Alliance. If you really, really want to get a place, you could potentially bribe Alliances to resign, but then the next reserve Alliance might not be your own, so it may take a few attempts
THX! This is the perfect approach. Ehh, no comment!
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Malar
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.01.17 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
As it stands, the slots have been filled, and the only potential way to compete is as a reserve Alliance. If you really, really want to get a place, you could potentially bribe Alliances to resign, but then the next reserve Alliance might not be your own, so it may take a few attempts
Dear CCP, this is really just a half official opinion (my personal one, but shared by most of the crew), you'll get a nice eve-mail from our diplomatic staff today hopefully (we've got lives after all), but...
1) We are all adults, 25+ with real life jobs and holidays organized around new years eve. Sorry for us not being the forum *****s we were 5 years ago when the game was still new for us. You all know our email addresses, our in game characters. I havent heard about any of the GMs asking us if we would like to participate or not.
2) We assumed that like in all proper tournaments with cups passed around, the title defender is automatically assumed to participate to defend its title. Sure we might have decided to step back but it was never our intention.
Is it our fault we didnt 'read' how the signup will work? Surely you can place the blame on us. Then again, ask around what people think and you will realize, that it might be you having the wrong idea here.
Thats it for my part. The style of your comment and how you joke about this issue, i rather not comment as that would lead into verbal abuse land. --------------------------------------------- *Comments in this post are mine and mine only* |
Draekas Darkwater
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2008.01.17 22:18:00 -
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Actually, maybe its not already too late to change the shedule (which hasn't been released yet anyway), to fit some more teams in. This was done for the last tourney I think (or the previous one to that). Like have 64 teams.
16 groups of 4 teams each. Only the top team goes through to the sudden death rounds. If I calculated it correctly, then this would only be 96 matches vs. 80 matches in last year's format, to get your top 16 teams. 16 matches doesn't seem like a lot, but maybe it is. I know the day starts to drag on for the staff, but hey, free trip to Iceland! =D
Another format may work as well. Probably an unpopular option may be to scrap the group matches entirely, and run the whole thing sudden death style.
Or groups setup where its still point based, but you don't get to fight all teams in your group, to keep the total group match count down.
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Seijin DiHelenti
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.17 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Berand Majorly disappointed with this lineup. How the hell can the defending champions not be assured a place? For that matter, BoB won three of the last four tournaments. And now they don't get another shot at regaining their crown?
Bleh. This kills a lot of my interest in watching it.
I agree with this man, I would appreciate reconsideration on CCP's end if any exceptions could be made this year :)
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testcharperson
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.01.17 23:17:00 -
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Let's just say, purely hypothetically, that an alliance, already confirmed as a participant, would be interested in selling their spot to the highest bidder? What would CCP think about this and more importantly; how much would people pay for it?
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.01.17 23:21:00 -
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I'd have no problem with additional slots being made available. Didn't they do that last time?
Competition is good, and let's face it, we like battles. If there are a ton of alliances who didn't get in, perhaps we should bump the number of openings.
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McFly
Path of Light R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.01.17 23:45:00 -
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Good luck to all, And hopefully there's a way for HUN to get in, they should have the chance to defend their title... --
--my opinions do not reflect that of my corp nor my alliance-- |
QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.17 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Suffering I'd have no problem with additional slots being made available. Didn't they do that last time?
Competition is good, and let's face it, we like battles. If there are a ton of alliances who didn't get in, perhaps we should bump the number of openings.
Good to see Einherjar in. Good luck.
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fathitman
Gallente Woopatang The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.01.18 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mindstar The Red Skull have withdrawn, first reserves Cruel Intentions will take their place.
WHAT?
I dont think we Withdrawn, Waiting to see if I can confirm this. ----------------------------
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Jonii
Woopatang The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.01.18 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Mindstar The Red Skull have withdrawn, first reserves Cruel Intentions will take their place.
We did not withdraw.
Were did you get this idea? ______________
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maGz
The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig With no more implants allowed, you should have expected to see alot more applicants.
Besides if people wanted to partecipate that badly maybe they should have bothered reading the sticky that was in this forum for over a week before the sign up was opened =o
- Gob
This.
No more spots should be opened. It's not like it was a secret when the sign ups were opened, and it's not like all the spots were filled in 1 hour. You were slow, live with it. ____________
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QwaarJet
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.01.18 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jonii
Originally by: CCP Mindstar The Red Skull have withdrawn, first reserves Cruel Intentions will take their place.
We did not withdraw.
Were did you get this idea?
Looks like we've got a problem here
Surely if Red Skull didn't withdraw, then they should get re-instated and Cruel Intentions kicked out?
The only thing I can think of is maybe didn't pay the billion ISK?
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2008.01.18 01:21:00 -
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The tournament has been mentioned as being at the end of February since last year. Signups have been anounced "to be announced soon" for a week, then the final date was set and put on display for a week (that's 2 weeks of advance warning) prominently in the player news that you see every time you log in. There has been ample advance warning, and the signups took at least 2 days to fill judging by the times Mindstar has posted.
Anyone who really wanted to be in the tournament has had his chance, and it's been this way in all the previous alliance tournaments aswell - I don't see how this is suddenly such a huge problem, now that all those "big players" with their active memberbase and, sometimes, thousands of members, somehow manage to miss those posts/signs. Especially BoB and Goons can slap theirselves on their fingers, really.
I don't want to sound condenscending, but it's the harsh truth: If you wanted to be in the tournament, but "didn't know that signups were up", you slacked off, that's all.
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rocking rocks
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Posted - 2008.01.18 01:47:00 -
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lots of crying going on in here
speaking in all honesty here im glad some of you missed out, I hope it brings you down a peg or 2.
seeing comments about "johnny whoshisname" alliances is the kind of elitist snobbery i used to expect from COAD before the goons turned it into a spamfest.
Even more so given the fact that all you thousand strong alliances got whipped by a 70 man corp in the last tourney.
The only people that deserve the vaguest hint of pity here are HUN who should really be allowed back to contest their title.
Everyone else, REALITY CHECK TIME! You think Tiger Woods doesnt have to register his entry to tournaments cause hes the worlds biggest golfer?
"Mr Woods?" "yes?" "You realise your not actually in the Open this year?" "WHAAAT?" "Yes you failed to fill in an entry form" "BUT IM TIGER WOODS, DONT YOU KNOW WHO I AM?"
unlucky.
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Guru
Woopatang The Red Skull
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Posted - 2008.01.18 02:22:00 -
[51]
Red Skull followed all instructions including sending the isk.. I will see if I can figure out what is going on here.
Mind Over Matter: If I dont mind it dont matter.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.01.18 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: testcharperson Let's just say, purely hypothetically, that an alliance, already confirmed as a participant, would be interested in selling their spot to the highest bidder? What would CCP think about this and more importantly; how much would people pay for it?
CCP would likely not care much - such a deal would be done behind the scenes. Alliance A and Alliance B meet in secret, a price is agreed upon, and then Alliance A withdraws without comment.
Of course, that would not guarantee Alliance B a spot, because they'd have to be next in the reserve list to get in... and I don't think Alliances know where in the reserve they are ranked.
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Malar
HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded
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Posted - 2008.01.18 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: rocking rocks
The only people that deserve the vaguest hint of pity here are HUN who should really be allowed back to contest their title.
Do you really think we are looking for pity? Well, news for you: We didnt enter the last tournament to prove ourselves to you or any other outsider in the first place, but to prove something to ourselves. Four simple words:
WE CAN DO IT.
Well guess what, we did. Personally you'll not see me on any other tournament again if/when we lose this cup, no matter how it happens. If we go down in fight, so be it. If they just rip it off our hands, i dont care. I did prove what i had to prove. Not to you, but to me myself.
The only reason i (personally) considered entering this tournament was because we have the cup. Hell, i thought it is expected from us by both the community AND CPP to participate as reigning champions and so i never thought i would have to tell anyone, that.. "um yea, i would like to participate. Why?"
So CCP, heres one SIMPLE question for you: "Do you want the title defender of your championships to participate in your tournaments?"
If you do, then it is up to you to make it happen. If you don't, or just don't care then please tell me and I'll happily go on with my life.
I will not beg, i will not ask for favors and definitely will not try to bribe anyone to get in. As it stands, its me doing a favor by giving the others a chance to properly rip the title out of my hands. Its not neccessary for anyone to appreciate this, but my own code of conduct requires me to try and be there. It IS the right thing to do, and im willing to make sacrifices for that on my part.
As for other alliances not getting in. There are some who i think are just not interested anymore (my guess would be BOB being one of them) - i can understand to be honest, its quite stressful - and some who simply dont read the player news and especially the forums that often. Hell, if you would play the game for 5 + years already, you probably wouldnt be that interested in the day-by-day things either, especially how those news are always cluttered with useless role playing waste of time, or technical announcements. The forums i dont even mention.
Malar, out. --------------------------------------------- *Comments in this post are mine and mine only* |
MortyM
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.18 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: rocking rocks lots of crying going on in here
speaking in all honesty here im glad some of you missed out, I hope it brings you down a peg or 2.
seeing comments about "johnny whoshisname" alliances is the kind of elitist snobbery i used to expect from COAD before the goons turned it into a spamfest.
Even more so given the fact that all you thousand strong alliances got whipped by a 70 man corp in the last tourney.
The only people that deserve the vaguest hint of pity here are HUN who should really be allowed back to contest their title.
Everyone else, REALITY CHECK TIME! You think Tiger Woods doesnt have to register his entry to tournaments cause hes the worlds biggest golfer?
"Mr Woods?" "yes?" "You realise your not actually in the Open this year?" "WHAAAT?" "Yes you failed to fill in an entry form" "BUT IM TIGER WOODS, DONT YOU KNOW WHO I AM?"
unlucky.
If you think the big golf tournaments work with an open signup for everybody with only a time constraint, then you need a reality check... Tiger Woods WILL get invited to the major tournaments, cause you know, those tournaments gain a lot from him playing in them. Having the top players makes the tournaments more interesting and attracts more audience. Something CCP should think about...
The signup system is pretty crappy, and with more and more people wanting to participate it will only get worse. There really should be some better selection criteria or simply more places.
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GM Nova
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Posted - 2008.01.18 10:32:00 -
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The list of participants will stand as it is unless a participant drops out or is bribed out. Yes, this means that it is perfectly ok with us to bribe a team to withdraw. The only requirement being that the executor of the bribed alliance needs to publicly announce that they are pulling out. (No scams allowed)
To HUN Reloaded; we really expected you to sign up along with BoB and other well known Alliances. The signup date was advertised in advance so we figured everyone had the same chance of applying and would be well aware of the signup date. I understand your frustration but unfortunately we can not change the signup rules retroactively.
We did not anticipate that all the spots would be taken after only two and a half day. In the past it has been more of an effort to get participants. I think this situation requires us to rethink the signup process for any future tournaments to automatically include the biggest alliances as well as the reigning champion.
HUN Reloaded is the first reserve so should a team drop out, they are in.
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joefishy
Spartan Industries Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 10:52:00 -
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Theres alot of****gotory in this thread...
Guys dont moan because you expect ccp to save you slots ..
40 teams managed to sighn up on time first.. you guys just needed to be quicker
dont be all ass hats and moan to ccp about it they doing a good job atm and you guys are just being plain dumb expecting favratism and expecting spots.
40 teams managed to sighn up first... why didnt you sighn up?
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Chronos VIII
Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 11:16:00 -
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This tournament hasnt even started yet and its already ftl. No1 wants to see "no-name" alliances. I mean seriously, I dont like Goons or Ra, but they are certainly one of the strongest alliances out there. It's a shame that well-established alliances like bob, a^3, hun and of course burn eden, who all showed awesome matches and interesting tactics in the previous tournaments, are not allowed to participate due to a messed up system. THINK ABOUT IT! Chronos
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TWD
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.18 11:19:00 -
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Or increase the slots and change the tournament format. |
maGz
The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Chronos VIII This tournament hasnt even started yet and its already ftl. No1 wants to see "no-name" alliances. I mean seriously, I dont like Goons or Ra, but they are certainly one of the strongest alliances out there. It's a shame that well-established alliances like bob, a^3, hun and of course burn eden, who all showed awesome matches and interesting tactics in the previous tournaments, are not allowed to participate due to a messed up system. THINK ABOUT IT! Chronos
As far as I know, everyone was allowed to sign up. Can't be CCPs fault that they were lazy ****s and didn't sign up when sign ups were opened... ____________
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MortyM
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.18 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: joefishy Theres alot of****gotory in this thread...
Guys dont moan because you expect ccp to save you slots ..
40 teams managed to sighn up on time first.. you guys just needed to be quicker
dont be all ass hats and moan to ccp about it they doing a good job atm and you guys are just being plain dumb expecting favratism and expecting spots.
40 teams managed to sighn up first... why didnt you sighn up?
Because there are only 40 spots in the tournament... How hard is it to understand that? If some of the people that are left out now would have been faster then some of the people that are in now would have been left out. If people would have been faster it wouldn't have solved anything, just shifted the problem to other people.
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