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Rei Seiji
Production N Destruction INC. The Last Chancers.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.13 08:28:00 -
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Major Spag wrote:Rei Seiji wrote:The Goonies leader actually needs votes? I always figured he'd automatically win his spot thanks to his hordes of loyal minions. A mouthbreathing ****** actually posting badly? I always figured they automatically shitpost to themselves because they don't really have friends!
Touched a nerve there, hm? So tell me, do all Goonies care about respiration, or is it just a personal interest for you? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1593
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Posted - 2012.02.13 09:06:00 -
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Some of my best friends are posts. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Aiifa
Pandora Sphere Narwhals Ate My Duck
6
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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:15:00 -
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Juicy Chanlin wrote:testobjekt wrote:Juicy Chanlin wrote:So what's your platform? What changes do you think should be made to the game?
I apologize if it's burried somewhere in the 15 pages of text here but I skimmed it and most of the stuff was just banter. You dont know what is plattform is? It seems you are not able to understand English in written form. I would encourage you to seek help for that. If you are able, you probably should read his first post again. And once again after that. Maybe ask your preschool teacher to help you understand his plattform. It is in there, you just have to understand more then a subject-verb-object sentence. I do understand english my learned friend.. However, his first post. just stated. " If you think that virtual pants are more important than spaceships, I donGÇÖt want your vote. If you think that wardecs and PvP should be consensual, I donGÇÖt want your vote. If you think that T2 BPO lottery was a good idea, I donGÇÖt want your vote. If you think that EVE should be made GÇÿsafeGÇÖ from scamming and griefing, I donGÇÖt want your vote. If you think that suicide ganking should be banned, I donGÇÖt want your vote. In fact, tell me where you hang out, so I can drop a Brutix on you. If GÇ£warGÇ¥, GÇ£murderGÇ¥ and GÇ£conquestGÇ¥ are naughty words that scare you, I donGÇÖt want your vote." now I don't know about you.. but to me.. that doesn't tell me what he plans on doing as a CSM and as chairman. It's a nice catch all since at least half the player community likes those statements, but a platform for running it is not.
Chairman fo lyfe and all that: Mittens doesn't need to provide a platform any more; he can get in on weaponized :smug: provided by the majority goon wannabes who like the gameplay that they think will make other people cry. Not that he isn't the best choice and worthy of everyone's vote.
I'd like to hear him express some preferences for change however.
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Captain Jazzmag
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:21:00 -
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Hey Mittani, more of a question of ethics in EVE than mechanics of EVE which I think the CSM needs to tackle.
What are you going to do about the general level of racism or at least casual use of racist language in EVE? Its now become socially acceptable in EVE to be derogatory towards Jews and its starting to become acceptable to racially abuse people and use derogatory racist language in general, in game chat without any sort of punishment.
It certainly doesn't do much for the image of the game when fleets of people in Null Sec are being asked by the FC to type "N" then "igger" in local chat during fleet fights, in order to circumvent the chat usage policy of CCP. No names of any sort mentioned but I don't think I need to.
I do think CSM 6 was the best CSM yet and certainly enjoyed the fruits of it but I don't think the level of racist language (and anti-semetic) by players in public channels (well any channels but each to their own) does anything for the game, CCP or the players. It certainly made me question which backwards thinking people I'm playing EVE with.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
348
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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:28:00 -
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So there is an all black fleet going around calling each other N iggers, that is common among what they do. Lets not go around getting angry at differences and such. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
348
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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:46:00 -
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Captain Jazzmag wrote:Hey Mittani,
What are you going to do about the Jews and "N"igger" in local chat during fleet fights,
I do think CSM 6 was the best CSM yet and certainly enjoyed level of racist language (and anti-semetic) by players in public channels. It certainly made me thinking people I'm playing EVE with.
Wow sir, that is intense. I do hope your problems are helped with. Good game. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
Captain Jazzmag
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:46:00 -
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Reported to CCP. Added to my ignore list.
Hope whatever insecurity issues you have can get solved.
rodyas wrote:So there is an all black fleet going around calling each other N iggers.
Unlikely. I don't believe its common to X up in fleet with your racial heritage before setting out. In examples I could cite, its certainly not been a requirement.
rodyas wrote: that is common among what they do.
Thanks for proving a point. |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2012.02.13 10:53:00 -
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Captain Jazzmag wrote:Hey Mittani, more of a question of ethics in EVE than mechanics of EVE which I think the CSM needs to tackle.
What are you going to do about the general level of racism or at least casual use of racist language in EVE? Its now become socially acceptable in EVE to be derogatory towards Jews and its starting to become acceptable to racially abuse people and use derogatory racist language in general, in game chat without any sort of punishment.
It certainly doesn't do much for the image of the game when fleets of people in Null Sec are being asked by the FC to type "N" then "igger" in local chat during fleet fights, in order to circumvent the chat usage policy of CCP. No names of any sort mentioned but I don't think I need to.
I do think CSM 6 was the best CSM yet and certainly enjoyed the fruits of it but I don't think the level of racist language (and anti-semetic) by players in public channels (well any channels but each to their own) does anything for the game, CCP or the players. It certainly made me question which backwards thinking people I'm playing EVE with.
Yeah, a lot of Americans and English people in general are very abusive sometimes. The hate against anyone Russian is also very strong, blacks, jews and Russians in particular are targeted a lot for abuse in this game. It reminds me a lot of many Americans and British people on Xbox live. Not sure what he can do about it? I suppose he can start by making sure goon mumble members not have swastikas as their profile pic? and also ensure goons members do not scream f'ing jew and the N word in local and such. At least then he sets an example and more can follow perhaps.
PS: For the record, there are blacks, jews, Russians and nice Americans as well as British people within the goons. Don't misunderstand me. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
348
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:00:00 -
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Yeah its always the white people.
Also its not a requirement, but its common for racial corp and some alliances to exist.
Were both reported? or just one? and which one? Trying to figure our what I did wrong. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:03:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Yeah its always the white people.
Also its not a requirement, but its common for racial corp and some alliances to exist.
Were both reported? or just one? and which one? Trying to figure our what I did wrong.
"Yeah its always the white people"
What does that mean? I am white! |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2044
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:16:00 -
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I think racist language in chat channels is something you'd want to address with the GMs rather than the CSM. yeah no i'm not actually running for csm7
got you lol!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Captain Jazzmag
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:20:00 -
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2bhammered wrote:
Yeah, a lot of Americans and English people in general are very abusive sometimes. The hate against anyone Russian is also very strong, blacks, jews and Russians in particular are targeted a lot for abuse in this game. It reminds me a lot of many Americans and British people on Xbox live. Not sure what he can do about it? I suppose he can start by making sure goon mumble members not have swastikas as their profile pic? and also ensure goons members do not scream f'ing jew and the N word in local and such. At least then he sets an example and more can follow perhaps.
PS: For the record, there are blacks, jews, Russians and nice Americans as well as British people within the goons. Don't misunderstand me.
I didn't mention goons specifically because its not just the goons and I'm not meaning to isolate them or single them out because its a general issue in EVE. This is in no way meant as an attack on Goons.
You can go into many systems in EVE, chat channels and fleets and experience a general level of language that isn't acceptable in the rest of society.
What can Mittani do about it? I'm not 100% sure either but then I wouldn't asking this question to him if he had stated already what his take on this is, and if he's willing to use his position as CSM Chairman to do something about it.
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Captain Jazzmag
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:22:00 -
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Andski wrote:I think racist language in chat channels is something you'd want to address with the GMs rather than the CSM.
Yes, I agree, which is part of the problem. However the GM's seem to be pretty much impotent when it comes to this. |
Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:23:00 -
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Well, after 16 pages of fawning over the 'great CEO' (I feel sick) maybe its time to actually ask some serious questions instead of just voting with your eyes closed.
So Mittens, great job on the last chairmanship. You really did do a great job!
So your platform is to:
- Keep internet spaceships as the focus - Keep unconsensual pvp - Keep not doing T2 BPO Lotteries - Keep scamming and griefing - Keep suicide ganking
I certainly agree with all of those pretty wholeheartedly - but this really isn't much change. This is how the game is already.
Please tell us some of the things you'd like to see changing during the next CSM term.
Secondly, although I love the visceral nature of EvE and totally agree that non-consensual pvp must remain a key part of it, I do think that it is too difficult for new starters to get into pvp.
What is your opinion on this? Do you think EvE should have a better mechanism for getting new starters into pvp? Or do you think that this is just self-selection at work, and those that do like it shouldn't be here anyway?
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
350
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:34:00 -
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Wow Captain jazz, Looks like somone skipped your post since it was just more fawning to the CEO. She is asain as well. Is that racism? (or anti-semantic) Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
295
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:43:00 -
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There should be a limit to how many times you get re-elected. Xenuria for CSM |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
350
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:44:00 -
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Tell that to the person who was on CSM 2,3,4,5,6. Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
Captain Jazzmag
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:45:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Wow Captain jazz, Looks like somone skipped your post since it was just more fawning to the CEO. She is asain as well. Is that racism? (or anti-semantic)
Do you have anything of value to add? Maybe CCP should come in here and remove more than your signature because you're not adding anything of value to this discussion. You're just coming across as some 13 year old with nothing better to do than spam forums and try to get noticed.
And I'm not sure what "asain". I don't think I want to be enlightened either. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
350
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:49:00 -
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Dont be afraid of enlightenment, That is called a mispelling and shouldnt be drastically feared.
Remove what? My officer shirt? Not fit for unlisted rank? Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
2bhammered
Perkone Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:54:00 -
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Captain Jazzmag wrote:2bhammered wrote:
Yeah, a lot of Americans and English people in general are very abusive sometimes. The hate against anyone Russian is also very strong, blacks, jews and Russians in particular are targeted a lot for abuse in this game. It reminds me a lot of many Americans and British people on Xbox live. Not sure what he can do about it? I suppose he can start by making sure goon mumble members not have swastikas as their profile pic? and also ensure goons members do not scream f'ing jew and the N word in local and such. At least then he sets an example and more can follow perhaps.
PS: For the record, there are blacks, jews, Russians and nice Americans as well as British people within the goons. Don't misunderstand me.
I didn't mention goons specifically because its not just the goons and I'm not meaning to isolate them or single them out because its a general issue in EVE. This is in no way meant as an attack on Goons. You can go into many systems in EVE, chat channels and fleets and experience a general level of language that isn't acceptable in the rest of society. What can Mittani do about it? I'm not 100% sure either but then I wouldn't asking this question to him if he had stated already what his take on this is, and if he's willing to use his position as CSM Chairman to do something about it.
"I didn't mention goons specifically"
Well I did and I think your question is a good one. But I honestly can't think of anything he can do other than police his own corp and alliance and lead by example. Which in my experience is needed and I hope you and everyone else get an answer to this.
But overall it is the responsibility of CCP to deal with these type of situations, perhaps they need to improve a lot. I suppose that is something the CSM could bring up when speaking with the GM's etc. To enforce policy against abuse and racism better than today. |
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Quingar
Yacht Club. Cascade Associates
1
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:00:00 -
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-1 from me
I will not vote for you as Chairman.
As a regular CSM member yes but not as a chairman. |
Vayna Miychovich
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
8
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:02:00 -
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Donau wrote:My Chairman My Vote
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Valearx
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:33:00 -
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Captain Jazzmag wrote:Andski wrote:I think racist language in chat channels is something you'd want to address with the GMs rather than the CSM. Yes, I agree, which is part of the problem. However the GM's seem to be pretty much impotent when it comes to this.
I think you confuse impotency for policy. This is a game where players are encouraged to steal/scam/be as piratical or paragon as we want. I imagine that name-calling is pretty low down the priority list given the amount of skulduggery that goes on, and the inevitable strings of pubbie expletives directed at the robber/scammer that follow. Bans are still handed out when GMs deem it necessary. As Bannedski said, its a matter for the GMs not the CSM. If you don't like what's being said in local, petition it and wait for a response, ignore it, minimize it or go somewhere else. If fleetcoms offend you, then maybe its time you found another corp/alliance. EVE's uniqueness lies in the sandbox and the freedom given to its players, and that's what separates it from other MMOs (all of which coincidentally impose stringent chat regulations vOv). |
stupid monkey
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
1
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:55:00 -
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gots my vote and all my alts votes.. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
625
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Posted - 2012.02.13 12:56:00 -
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stupid monkey wrote:gots my vote and all my alts votes..
no no no no stupid monkey - vote for your simian kin
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Captain Jazzmag
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:16:00 -
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Valearx wrote:Captain Jazzmag wrote:Andski wrote:I think racist language in chat channels is something you'd want to address with the GMs rather than the CSM. Yes, I agree, which is part of the problem. However the GM's seem to be pretty much impotent when it comes to this. I think you confuse impotency for policy. This is a game where players are encouraged to steal/scam/be as piratical or paragon as we want. I imagine that name-calling is pretty low down the priority list given the amount of skulduggery that goes on, and the inevitable strings of pubbie expletives directed at the robber/scammer that follow. Bans are still handed out when GMs deem it necessary. As Bannedski said, its a matter for the GMs not the CSM. If you don't like what's being said in local, petition it and wait for a response, ignore it, minimize it or go somewhere else. If fleetcoms offend you, then maybe its time you found another corp/alliance. EVE's uniqueness lies in the sandbox and the freedom given to its players, and that's what separates it from other MMOs (all of which coincidentally impose stringent chat regulations vOv).
Policy is to ban from local for a number of hours if certain things are said but as I stated, its more widespread and its not enforced, its easily circumvented.
In my example, when a fleet of 300 people is asked to write "N" "igger" to specifically avoid CCP's policy don't you think that is a problem? That isn't scamming, or cheating people out of ISK, that isn't any form of meta game, its not the sandbox, its not even in game 'acceptable' greifing, its just casual racism en masse.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not some up tight guy who is all about political correctness but there are limits.
This is why I think its a CSM issue. Its generally accepted that in EVE you can be a racist bigot. Not an in character one (don't tell me they're in character!) but just one in general. |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
356
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:16:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:There should be a limit to how many times you get re-elected.
There should be a limit to how mad you can get.
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doombreed52
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
19
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:27:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:Xenuria wrote:There should be a limit to how many times you get re-elected. There should be a limit to how mad you can get.
i think he doesnt like mitttens becuase we arent walking in stations....id like to when they fix other crap first. maybe. and the fact he hates that mittins is well liked even by enemies. |
wallenbergaren
University of Caille Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:44:00 -
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Maybe this has been answered, but I know you're probably the most outspoken against supercaps out of the people running for CSM, so I'm wondering what your ideas are for fixing the problem permanently. Not just another band aid that postpones the inevitable as supercap numbers keep growing year over year. They must have a role that allows them to function even if there's 15000 of them ingame. |
Agnostos Theos
Southern Cross Trilogy Flying Dangerous
0
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Posted - 2012.02.13 14:27:00 -
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Hey Mittani,
Can't pretend that I like you much so I won't try. Knowing myself to be the anti-social bastard I am, that means little to nothing. I do respect what you've managed to achieve both in the game and in the CSM. As you yourself have exclaimed on a number of accasions, in those rare rational moments that you're not playing the egomanical meglamaniac, it IS the co-ordinated efforts of many people that have brought you as far as you've come. Now that the CSM has been shown to have a bit of relavance (apearances can be decieving and no-one will ever know if this apearance is more thanx to the CSM crying out against obviously disastrous mistakes by CCP and simply predicting a course of action CCP obviously had to take or whether the CSM actually played a part in guiding those actions.) it apears a number of factions with real agendas are lobbying to become part of the process. This is all well and good and part of politics. What worries me is the number of 'personalities' arrising out of the ranks that seem more interested in tearing down each-others reputations then they are in providing any real input towards the future of EVE. Given that the next CSM is unlikely to be as polarised in it's goals nor (hopefully) will it have such tremendous idiocy on the part of CCP to argue against, how do you plan to work with a group which (from observation of many currently running platforms) are ellected to the CSM with the sole purpose of being there to annoy the **** out of you ? Whilst everyone, myself included, might get a laugh out of thinking about what the CSM would be like with Mitt and Riv forever playing who's got the biggest ego and the most influence, I hate to see the CSM become as irrelivant as it once was simply because some clever word-smiths can't help but play juvenille games against each-other rather then look at the game they SHOULD be trying to protect and guide. I've addressed this to you Mitt because if you don't make it to CSM then something, somewhere has seriously ****** up and I'll be surprised if you don't hold the chair. I used Riv as an example only because of the mutual animosity between your factions. In reality I'd like to see all the potential candidates veiws on how they intend to work with their fellow CSM members....
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