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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:54:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:But hey, if you don't wanna listen to someone you label a "pubbie", and you don't wanna listen to the NDA's author CCP, listen to one of your own, and a CSM to boot: Vile rat wrote: Breaking NDA isn't a reason not to vote for somebody honestly. That's a legal determination and between CCP and the CSM member.
And verified by another CSM, quoting Vile rat: Two step wrote: This man speaks truth.
Ah but I bet I'll still hear protests. Have fun matching your world-view to the facts. Earplugs go a long way to keeping the sand out of your ear canals. Goggles will help for your eyes.
I don't like people misquoting someone else, and then misquoting me. I said that the following was the truth:
Vile rat wrote: Breaking NDA isn't a reason not to vote for somebody honestly. That's a legal determination and between CCP and the CSM member. Being a CSM who never participated and was largely AWOL for the vast majority of his term is a bigger reason to not consider him.
Note that I didn't just quote the first sentence as you did. I consider the last sentence far more important. The NDA is a serious thing, but the stuff that we *know* d3 leaked was minor, and was just Mittens talking about leaking fake info to Riverini. If the leak was more substantive, it would have been a bigger issue. Vote Two step for CSM 7 CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog |
Karadion
435
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Posted - 2012.02.17 20:59:00 -
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Here's a simple question that Princess can answer. If there is nothing NDA breaching, then are you saying that the entire minutes in that meeting can be given out without question? IE if Darius were to give out the entire minutes under the argument by using their statement that few lines Darius intentionally leaked wasn't NDA breaking therefore the rest of the minutes must not be NDA breaking. Would that still be okay with you? The fact is, Darius did leak specific minutes from a meeting under NDA and the rest of the CSM6 team can't trust him anymore not to leak anymore minutes for his own gain. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
152
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:11:00 -
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Two step wrote:Princess Bride wrote:But hey, if you don't wanna listen to someone you label a "pubbie", and you don't wanna listen to the NDA's author CCP, listen to one of your own, and a CSM to boot: Vile rat wrote: Breaking NDA isn't a reason not to vote for somebody honestly. That's a legal determination and between CCP and the CSM member.
And verified by another CSM, quoting Vile rat: Two step wrote: This man speaks truth.
Ah but I bet I'll still hear protests. Have fun matching your world-view to the facts. Earplugs go a long way to keeping the sand out of your ear canals. Goggles will help for your eyes. I don't like people misquoting someone else, and then misquoting me. I said that the following was the truth: Vile rat wrote: Breaking NDA isn't a reason not to vote for somebody honestly. That's a legal determination and between CCP and the CSM member. Being a CSM who never participated and was largely AWOL for the vast majority of his term is a bigger reason to not consider him.
Note that I didn't just quote the first sentence as you did. I consider the last sentence far more important. The NDA is a serious thing, but the stuff that we *know* d3 leaked was minor, and was just Mittens talking about leaking fake info to Riverini. If the leak was more substantive, it would have been a bigger issue.
I was quoting what was relevant to the point I was making. The other parts are not relevant, and I don't care if if bothers you that I dropped the irrelevant parts. That's common practice. You quoted the part I did along with other stuff and put a stamp of "TRUTH" on all of it. So now you're backing away from part of it? Part of what your bud said was "less than truth" now?
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Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
152
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:15:00 -
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Karadion wrote:Here's a simple question that Princess can answer. If there is nothing NDA breaching, then are you saying that the entire minutes in that meeting can be given out without question? IE if Darius were to give out the entire minutes under the argument by using their statement that few lines Darius intentionally leaked wasn't NDA breaking therefore the rest of the minutes must not be NDA breaking. Would that still be okay with you? The fact is, Darius did leak specific minutes from a meeting under NDA and the rest of the CSM6 team can't trust him anymore not to leak anymore minutes for his own gain.
Hypothetical question is hypothetical. I won't entertain them and choose instead to look at the factual questions that actually happened.
If a frog had wings, it would not repetitively impact its own posterior. However a frog does not have wings, and the situation you lay out above did not happen and so it does not matter. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
152
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:29:00 -
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Quote:It is not for CCP to determine whether the NDA was breached. Whether a contract has been violated or not is a question of law, and as such is for the courts to determine.
So show me the court decision that the NDA was violated or it didn't happen. And again, your guy is full of ****. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10031
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:31:00 -
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Hello space friends, this seems like a lively discussion. Mind if I join? Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
152
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:47:00 -
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Hey Lyris, glad you could join us. To catch you up to speed, I'll summarize the past few pages:
Where I repeatedly bump The Mittani's CSM election thread...
Where they to do the same...
Where I point out that Mittens is not being factual when he says that Darius III is a "CDA-breaching incompetent" since CCP insists the CDA was not breached and no court has ruled otherwise...
Where they attempt to defend Mittani's slander as expected...
Where I quote their own statements on the subject back to them, in which they agree with me...
Where they get indignant and try to change the subject to Darius III's alleged faults, hypotheticals, and philosophy...
Where I ignore their diversionary tactics and stick to the point... which is that The Mittani is mud-slinging.
Your input? http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:53:00 -
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You're not a space friend, are you? |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10031
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:55:00 -
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My input?
By responding at all to this thread you are giving The Mittani what he wants, which is threefold: first, you are using your time and effort to focus on him and his antics; second, you are keeping this thread bumped so that he maintains popular name recognition and can later point to the length of the thread to gloat about "whining pubbies," "threadnought," and other such things to gloat; third, you are by virtue of the first two points not doing other, more enjoyable things with your time. It is entirely possible that you derive enjoyment and satisfaction from arguing in circles with idiots on the Internet, and if so then more power to you and honestly I'm quite jealous since you've got a goldmine of never-ending bliss at your fingertips; but, if that is not the case, then you are allowing a megalomaniac to dominate your time, effort, and emotions. In short, you are losing by even participating.
I'd suggest that instead of wasting your time, you vote for me. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Tyrion Struan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:55:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Quote:It is not for CCP to determine whether the NDA was breached. Whether a contract has been violated or not is a question of law, and as such is for the courts to determine. So show me the court decision that the NDA was violated or it didn't happen. And again, your guy is full of ****.
We are moving along nicely. You have now come to the realisation that CCP is not the final arbitrator in the world on what is and is not. Next step. You claim something to be, that there has been no violation of the NDA. CCP says they have no proof. These are different things. You seem to now be set on courts having the final word, this would mean that for you to say that there has been no violation would require you to be able to show a court ruling to that effect. Barring this you cannot establish a lie, only an inaccuracy of a statement. Which is pretty much what Vile has done.
Tbh I couldn't care less about what Darius did and did not do when it comes to the NDA, according to his own statement he don't seem to have done a lot of anything, so I suppose its a good thing that he at least once was in an NDA protected channel. |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10031
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:56:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:You're not a space friend, are you? I am Lyris Nairn, the pubbie born, space friend to all. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
92
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:57:00 -
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So if I promise you not to pee on your leg, and then I pee on your leg, but you don't want to acknowledge the fact that I just peed on your leg because that's pretty embarrassing and it was just a little bit of pee, hardly worth getting upset over, then could I truthfully say that I did not break my "no leg peeing" promise? |
Karadion
435
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:57:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Karadion wrote:Here's a simple question that Princess can answer. If there is nothing NDA breaching, then are you saying that the entire minutes in that meeting can be given out without question? IE if Darius were to give out the entire minutes under the argument by using their statement that few lines Darius intentionally leaked wasn't NDA breaking therefore the rest of the minutes must not be NDA breaking. Would that still be okay with you? The fact is, Darius did leak specific minutes from a meeting under NDA and the rest of the CSM6 team can't trust him anymore not to leak anymore minutes for his own gain. Hypothetical question is hypothetical. I won't entertain them and choose instead to look at the factual questions that actually happened. If a frog had wings, it would not repetitively impact its own posterior. However a frog does not have wings, and the situation you lay out above did not happen and so it does not matter. Yes, exactly. You choose to selectively pick out what you want to make your point for your BFF. Fact is Darius did leak minutes from an NDA meeting where they were all under the impression that the minutes were not going to be given out. The specific parts of the minutes were deemed by CCP not to be critical but if it had compromised of information based on such as Tech moons are going to be nerfed / other moons are going to be buffed, then CCP would be freaking out. But this one was based on insulting Riverini in an NDA meeting, a corp mate of Darius, and Darius didn't like that so he told Riverini. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
152
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:12:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:My input?
By responding at all to this thread you are giving The Mittani what he wants, which is threefold: first, you are using your time and effort to focus on him and his antics; second, you are keeping this thread bumped so that he maintains popular name recognition and can later point to the length of the thread to gloat about "whining pubbies," "threadnought," and other such things to gloat; third, you are by virtue of the first two points not doing other, more enjoyable things with your time. It is entirely possible that you derive enjoyment and satisfaction from arguing in circles with idiots on the Internet, and if so then more power to you and honestly I'm quite jealous since you've got a goldmine of never-ending bliss at your fingertips; but, if that is not the case, then you are allowing a megalomaniac to dominate your time, effort, and emotions. In short, you are losing by even participating.
I'd suggest that instead of wasting your time, you vote for me.
Where I repeatedly bump The Mittani's CSM election thread...
Where they to do the same...
Maybe I'm just a spai, sent to bump his thread. Ah, wheels within wheels...
Actually, every now and again I do get in the mood to argue in circles with idiots on the internet. This is indeed one of those times, and at the moment I am quite content. But thank you for your concern. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
510
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:13:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Now, I believe this is The Mittani's thread. Don't make me pee on your leg again.
I believe just you bringing the subject back to The Mittani's impending election involves peeing on her leg, so... keep at it? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
94
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:14:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote: Actually, every now and again I do get in the mood to argue in circles with idiots on the internet.
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Tyrion Struan
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:15:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:
So by your own admission, Mittani's characterization of Darius III in his one-line insult/summary was based on something completely irrelevant. Also, by ignoring your lame hypothetical I'm "picking and choosing" my facts? No. I'm distinguishing facts from hypothetical garbage. That's different.
Nope. He made an assessment. He is free to do that, and better placed to do so than both of us (unless you're privy to the NDA). You are calling him out as a lier based on CCP saying that they lack proof. This does, however, not mean that there was no breach of the NDA. The worst thing you can call him out for is to not have begun his statement with "In my assessment..." Which, I think, is a rather lame outcall. Again, I don't care, I just think its fun that you holding others to standards in their arguments that you are not able to meet yourself, that is my amusement and only concern in this. So by your argument you are a lying [insert derogatory term here], because you are no able to show the truth of your statement that there has been a lie.
I have no doubt that you will now either put your head back into the sand with another statement of, "no, that is not what I said", or once more move the goalpost. |
Karadion
436
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:16:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Karadion wrote:Princess Bride wrote:Karadion wrote:Here's a simple question that Princess can answer. If there is nothing NDA breaching, then are you saying that the entire minutes in that meeting can be given out without question? IE if Darius were to give out the entire minutes under the argument by using their statement that few lines Darius intentionally leaked wasn't NDA breaking therefore the rest of the minutes must not be NDA breaking. Would that still be okay with you? The fact is, Darius did leak specific minutes from a meeting under NDA and the rest of the CSM6 team can't trust him anymore not to leak anymore minutes for his own gain. Hypothetical question is hypothetical. I won't entertain them and choose instead to look at the factual questions that actually happened. If a frog had wings, it would not repetitively impact its own posterior. However a frog does not have wings, and the situation you lay out above did not happen and so it does not matter. Yes, exactly. You choose to selectively pick out what you want to make your point for your BFF. Fact is Darius did leak minutes from an NDA meeting where they were all under the impression that the minutes were not going to be given out. The specific parts of the minutes were deemed by CCP not to be critical but if it had compromised of information based on such as Tech moons are going to be nerfed / other moons are going to be buffed, then CCP would be freaking out. But this one was based on insulting Riverini in an NDA meeting, a corp mate of Darius, and Darius didn't like that so he told Riverini. So by your own admission, Mittani's characterization of Darius III in his one-line insult/summary was based on something completely irrelevant. Also, by ignoring your lame hypothetical I'm "picking and choosing" my facts? No. I'm distinguishing facts from hypothetical garbage. That's different. It may have been based on something trivial but facts is that it came from an NDA meeting, did it not? Yes or no. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
152
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:18:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:So you're saying...
Why do I get the feeling you're about to try to put words in my mouth, and tell me what I was saying...
Quote: *bunch of crap I didn't say*
Honestly, after reading the guy's thread I think I'll just not vote for him because of his posting. How's that?
Now, I believe this is The Mittani's thread. Don't make me pee on your leg again.
I don't care who you vote for. Why would I? *confused* http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
152
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:20:00 -
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Quote: It may have been based on something trivial but facts is that it came from an NDA meeting, did it not? Yes or no.
What's a NDA meeting? http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
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Karadion
436
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:22:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote:Quote: It may have been based on something trivial but facts is that it came from an NDA meeting, did it not? Yes or no.
What's a NDA meeting? Yes or no, did the trivial statements come from a meeting that was under NDA. That's it. That's all I want to hear. Yes or no. |
Rochefort Trappistes
Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:24:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Princess Bride wrote: Actually, every now and again I do get in the mood to argue in circles with idiots on the internet.
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Get with the times. |
Boris Lachenkov
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:27:00 -
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You guys are getting way off topic.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
510
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:31:00 -
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Boris Lachenkov wrote:You guys are getting way off topic.
Speaking of topics, a really cool topic is nerfing ECM, don't you think? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Boris Lachenkov
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:32:00 -
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ECM don't need a nerf, it needs a reboot.
ECM frigates need a use beyond gimmick/frigate roams. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10037
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:34:00 -
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Princess Bride wrote: Maybe I'm just a spai, sent to bump his thread. Ah, wheels within wheels..
Let's clear this up right now then.
X up if you're a spy!
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10037
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:34:00 -
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X Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Vote Lyris Nairn for CSM7. |
Princess Bride
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
152
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:34:00 -
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Tyrion Struan wrote:Princess Bride wrote:
So by your own admission, Mittani's characterization of Darius III in his one-line insult/summary was based on something completely irrelevant. Also, by ignoring your lame hypothetical I'm "picking and choosing" my facts? No. I'm distinguishing facts from hypothetical garbage. That's different.
Nope. He made an assessment. He is free to do that, and better placed to do so than both of us (unless you're privy to the NDA). You are calling him out as a lier based on CCP saying that they lack proof. This does, however, not mean that there was no breach of the NDA. The worst thing you can call him out for is to not have begun his statement with "In my assessment..." Which, I think, is a rather lame outcall. Again, I don't care, I just think its fun that you holding others to standards in their arguments that you are not able to meet yourself, that is my amusement and only concern in this. So by your argument you are a lying [insert derogatory term here], because you are no able to show the truth of your statement that there has been a lie. I have no doubt that you will now either put your head back into the sand with another statement of, "no, that is not what I said", or once more move the goalpost.
Hmm let's go over this one last time:
As other CSMs have said, and as I have repeatedly quoted them saying, and you have failed to disprove, the determination of whether a NDA is breached or not is a legal question. As such, it is either true because it has been proven at law, or it is not true, because it has not. Think "Innocent until proven guilty" here, as you seem to be having trouble (probably intentionally) understanding this point. As many in this thread have argued, it seems that unless a legal determination has been made that the NDA was breached, it has not been breached. And as there is no such determination, nor is the author of the NDA and alleged "victim" in this incident asserting that there was a breach, we can safely assume that there was no breach. Yet you rant on about the semantics of it all and attempt to invalidate my argument with something akin to "How can we know whether I am the dream of the butterfly, or the butterfly part of my dream?"
You have waxed poetic on the subjects of objective reality, the definition of the word "fact" and other theoretical nonsense in an attempt to muddy the waters and obscure The Mittani's mud-slinging. That's great, and you've done a fine job of it. Hopefully, you are being paid for the service.
Next I expect you will propose an argument on the definition of the word "of" or perhaps continue to paraphrase your undergrad philosophy text. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/ |
Skye Aurorae
No Bull Ships
159
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:35:00 -
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I'm a Spy!
XXXXX Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21, so.. Vote for Scott Manley / Skye Aurorae for CSM 7 An Expert in Dealing with Childish Arguments Over Toys. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=68506 |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
510
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Posted - 2012.02.17 22:38:00 -
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Boris Lachenkov wrote:ECM don't need a nerf, it needs a reboot.
ECM frigates need a use beyond gimmick/frigate roams. You mean EW frigates in general, probably.
Also, all other forms of EW get stacking penalized on the target, while ECM does not. It is also possible to be immune to the other EW forms (or to use in-combat maneuvers to minimize their effect) but impossible to do so against ECM other than via fitting ECCM. Also a Falcon touched my Rifter in naughty places.
Oh, and:
X spy who is also a CEO reporting in Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
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