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Night Crow
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Posted - 2008.01.19 01:30:00 -
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My Goal
Have Always been the same since I started this game that is to earn 1 Billion a day
What have I Been Doing
At this time I got 4 Large POSs running and for the last two weeks I been researching things to build
Why I Need the Isk
I Need more money for blueprints and materials, 8 Billion Isk in all
When does it start?
Sunday 20th
Shares
8000 Shares at 1m Max is 2000 Also be sold in lots of 100s
Send the money to Night Crow
Dividends
Every month the shares prices go up by 10% for two Months
Start 1m After 1 Month 1.1M After 2 Months 1.21M
Then I will give a Dividends for 10% on the 20th of each Month
Security
4 Obelisk Freighter 1ME with 3rd Party [ Need To Be Arrange ] I know it a bit more than the assets
Buy Back
I chose to buyback at anytime after the two months which I will paid it through the Dividends So If I want to buy back 10% I will put an extra 10% down in Dividends
So there be No BuyBack until two months have ended If I decide to carry this on and you want a buy back it will be at 100% of the then shares prices Which will be 1.21m
reserve your shares now, First come first serve
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.19 01:54:00 -
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Didn't you already try one of these? This seems like Deja-vu.
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.01.19 02:00:00 -
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Wasn't this the dude who was a huge ass to everyone that questioned him regarding his offering?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.19 02:07:00 -
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I need 500 trillion. I might give it back, I might not. Send me ISK!
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Benvie
Benvie Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.01.19 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: Benvie on 19/01/2008 02:10:15 Here's the old one: 8 Billion IPO
Edit: and according to it he sold out an 8 billion IPO less than a month ago. If I invested in that one I'd be very curious about this new one......
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Bouncer Ricdic
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Posted - 2008.01.19 02:13:00 -
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He's offering to secure it with another 4 freighter bpo's. His last one was also secured. 4 of those bpo's comes to 7b so this one would only be partially secured.
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Fury Banker
Fury Bank Corp
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Posted - 2008.01.19 04:48:00 -
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Looks to me like he's offloading his freighter BPOs.
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Raskor
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Posted - 2008.01.19 04:53:00 -
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I wish to reserve 100 shares (100m isk), pending confirmation of security established with a widely known and trusted 3rd party.
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Riethe
Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen
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Posted - 2008.01.19 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Fury Banker Looks to me like he's offloading his freighter BPOs.
I called it first!
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.01.19 04:58:00 -
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Originally by: Riethe Edited by: Riethe on 19/01/2008 02:12:27 Wasn't this the dude who was a huge ass to everyone that questioned him regarding his offering?
edit: I guess that was someone else. This is the dude who pawned blue prints off on ricdic
The prints are worth more than his first loan. He provided 5 of them on loan 1. That comes to 8.775b. And yes, you could definetly sell a researched Obelisk BPO for NPC price at bare minimum. I have sold some of mine on occasion at ME1 and ME2 for closer to 2.1b each.
Having said that, it still means the OP's security only holds 7b out of the 8b offering. Was this your intention Night Crow or do you want to throw a 5th BPO into holding?
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.19 05:57:00 -
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Another problem with the BPO's being collateral in this case is that the bond is growing for two months, or 21%. Meaning the BPO's would have to be 21% greater to cover it as well.
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.01.19 06:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle Another problem with the BPO's being collateral in this case is that the bond is growing for two months, or 21%. Meaning the BPO's would have to be 21% greater to cover it as well.
Or we could accept that it isn't secured against failed profit earnings, just the capital itself I am far happier to take a risk on someone who at worst can get back 90% or 100% of the capital.
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Proton Power
Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.19 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari I need 500 trillion. I might give it back, I might not. Send me ISK!
Wow this seems like a great deal? Can you offer me 1% dividends as well and a buyback of only 3% until you do scam the entire thing? -----------------------------------------------
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli |
Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2008.01.19 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
Originally by: Shadarle Another problem with the BPO's being collateral in this case is that the bond is growing for two months, or 21%. Meaning the BPO's would have to be 21% greater to cover it as well.
Or we could accept that it isn't secured against failed profit earnings, just the capital itself I am far happier to take a risk on someone who at worst can get back 90% or 100% of the capital.
I'm inclined to agree, for profits of 7% or higher I don't expect anything more than the initial capital to be secured. I can't imagine someone going to all the trouble of launching an IPO only to waste it and all their credibility in exchange for a few months interest.
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Ambo
2nd Outcasters
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Posted - 2008.01.19 10:47:00 -
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Ok, a few questions:
1) Is the security in-place and locked down yet? I won't be sending any money until this is confirmed.
2) The share price increases by 10% per month for the first two month AND I get a dividend of 10%. Is the dividend 10% of share value or initial capital?
3) Does share price increase regardless of how much money you make?
4) Do I get dividends regardless of how much money you make?
5) What is your expected profit %age? I'm guessing it must be significatly more than the approx 20%/month (i.e. around 1600 mil/month) that you are going to be handing out.
6) If you are already running 4 large POSs and making goods then why do you need our money? Surely you could earn 8 bil over a few months given the rates of return you are offering?
I'll reserve 1 bil but won't be buying until the security is in place and these as well as any further questions are answered to my satisfaction.
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Bad Bobby
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Posted - 2008.01.19 11:23:00 -
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I'll take a punt on this.
Reserve me 500 shares, I'll send the isk once I see clear confirmation that Ricdic is holding the security.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.19 12:40:00 -
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I would happily buy enough shares to buy a NPC Obelisk BPO, and take an Obelisk BPO to hold myself as collateral to invest in this venture.
Taikun
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Leowen
Industrial Giants
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Posted - 2008.01.19 13:22:00 -
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Hi NC
I have 2k shares in your first holding, and your divvy is coming through weekly as promised so all cool there.
I generally do not double-invest in an individual as it concentrates risk, but would be willing to take another max holding in this second offering - another 2k shares for 2b - if you could match your collateral as in the first offering. So you would need to put another 1.5b ish of collateral on the table.
Please let me know asap if this interests you.
2000 shares reserved pending Night Crows response.
Leo
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Bouncer Ricdic
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Posted - 2008.01.19 14:32:00 -
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Yeh EBANK will take another 2b as well. (not posting with EBANK Ricdic just to annoy Selene 4tw)
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Night Crow
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Posted - 2008.01.19 15:12:00 -
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--------------------------------------------------- 1) Is the security in-place and locked down yet? I won't be sending any money until this is confirmed. --------------------------------------------------
And I said Obelisk Freighter 1ME with 3rd Party [ Need To Be Arrange ] So the answer is No
-------------------------------------------------- 2) The share price increases by 10% per month for the first two month AND I get a dividend of 10%. Is the dividend 10% of share value or initial capital? --------------------------------------------------
The Shares Prices goes up by 10% for Two Months Then I give Dividends out once per month at 10% So the shares prices stay the same AFTER two months
This is to help with cash flow
------------------------------------------------- 3) Does share price increase regardless of how much money you make?
4) Do I get dividends regardless of how much money you make? -------------------------------------------------
Yes to both of them Otherwise I wouldnt gone with 10%,I have gone lower 7%
------------------------------------------------- 5) What is your expected profit %age? I'm guessing it must be significatly more than the approx 20%/month (i.e. around 1600 mil/month) that you are going to be handing out. --------------------------------------------------
I be giving out 10%, No More OR less It Doesnt matter how much Profit I make
-------------------------------------------------- 6) If you are already running 4 large POSs and making goods then why do you need our money? Surely you could earn 8 bil over a few months given the rates of return you are offering? --------------------------------------------------
At this time I make quite a bit a month But I would have to wait for 2 weeks when most of my Freighter BPOs Finish. Main source of income And I dont like waiting
The money is really For the materials At this time I making more BPCs than I using
-------------------------------------------------- Having said that, it still means the OP's security only holds 7b out of the 8b offering. Was this your intention Night Crow or do you want to throw a 5th BPO into holding? -------------------------------------------------- The answer was Yes That is why I Offer 2 Adv Labs mention in with the email I send You
Due to speed of coping I get an extra bpc for every 6 BPOs every month conpare to the normal labs DAYS WISE And I was going to ask you to move two BPOs over to the adv labs when they copy next
But if I need to have another BPO, Ray McCormack Own me 1 Obelisk BPO ME1. I have already send the email to contract it over As I have paid 1/5 of his loan
------------------------------------------------- Looks to me like he's offloading his freighter BPOs. ------------------------------------------------- If I was Offloading my BPOs I would have sold them
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Ambo
2nd Outcasters
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Posted - 2008.01.19 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Night Crow -------------------------------------------------- 2) The share price increases by 10% per month for the first two month AND I get a dividend of 10%. Is the dividend 10% of share value or initial capital? --------------------------------------------------
The Shares Prices goes up by 10% for Two Months Then I give Dividends out once per month at 10% So the shares prices stay the same AFTER two months
This is to help with cash flow
Yes, I understand that, my question was about the dividends, will they be 10% of the original share price or the current share price? e.g. the first dividend would be 100k per share, would the second dividend then be 100k per share or 110k per share?
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------------------------------------------------- 5) What is your expected profit %age? I'm guessing it must be significatly more than the approx 20%/month (i.e. around 1600 mil/month) that you are going to be handing out. --------------------------------------------------
I be giving out 10%, No More OR less It Doesnt matter how much Profit I make
Well, yes, you're giving out 10% dividends. However because you are also raising share value by 10%, you are effectivley giving out 20%+ per month for the first two months.
Your projected profits matter to me because there needs to be a reason for you to do this. If I can't establish your motivations then it might start to look very fishy. If you raise the 8 bil then after 2 months you will have payed out 1600 mil AND you will owe 9600 mil. In other words for it to be worth your while, you need to earn more than 3200 mil in those two months.
Also, please let us know when the security is confirmed
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Night Crow
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Posted - 2008.01.19 16:26:00 -
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Dividends
Every month the shares prices go up by 10% for two Months
Start 1m After 1 Month 1.1M After 2 Months 1.21M
Then I will give a Dividends for 10% on the 20th of each Month
So No Dividends for the first two months and the Dividends will be on 1.21m per share at 10% on April 20th
Hopes it clears that up
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.19 17:49:00 -
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Assuming Ricdic confirms there is at least 100% of initial investment secured I will take 2000 shares for 2 billion.
I still think it's a bit odd that things are being done this way... but whatever. If the security is in place then I'll take the 10% monthly.
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Ambo
2nd Outcasters
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Posted - 2008.01.19 18:02:00 -
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AH, I see, thanks for clearing that up.
Once the security is confirmed I'll send you the cash.
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Leowen
Industrial Giants
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Posted - 2008.01.19 18:03:00 -
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Same here, once security covering at least 100% of the initial investment is confirmed as held by 3rd party, my cash is ready for the 2000 shares reserved.
Leo
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.19 18:44:00 -
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Reserving 1bn isk worth of shares pending confirmation from the third party that the BPOs have been secured. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.01.19 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 19/01/2008 19:09:28
By my quick calculation... seems to me all the shares have been reserved already.
Taikun
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Atherin Gaius
Caldari Domini Umbrus VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.19 19:22:00 -
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If there are shares still available I would like to reserve 200mil worth provided that their is confirmation that the BPOs are secured.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2008.01.19 20:02:00 -
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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 19/01/2008 20:05:25 That seems to be correct - when I said I wanted to reserve 1000 shares, there were only 400 left. If anyone else backs out after security has been provided, I'd still like to take up to 1000 shares. My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
Raskor
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Posted - 2008.01.19 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Atherin Gaius If there are shares still available I would like to reserve 200mil worth provided that their is confirmation that the BPOs are secured.
A couple of those large reservations are contingent on the OP putting up more collateral then he initially agreed to. I think he kind of alluded to stepping up the collateral, but it doesn't seem clear to me if he plans to increase the offered collateral or not.
If he doesn't, there would still be shares available.
Night Crow, can you please confirm if you now plan to provide 5 "ME1 Obelisk" prints as security for this loan, or something of similar value?
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