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Si Omega
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Posted - 2011.09.07 02:00:00 -
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+1 CCP.
Integrates seamlessly with EveGate and works fine. |
AnzacPaul
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.07 02:01:00 -
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Si Omega wrote:+1 CCP.
Integrates seamlessly with EveGate and works fine.
So seamlessly we can't even have images |
Nin Kimrov
Kenzi Arms and Munitions
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Posted - 2011.09.07 02:02:00 -
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Why are you giving a +1 to ccp, you could say, good job, grats. But you say +1...you are wierd.
Oh and those forum suck. |
Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.09.07 02:04:00 -
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He is patting himself on the back |
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
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Posted - 2011.09.07 02:07:00 -
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fourms suck... who uses evegate.
Maybe we can get facebook to sue ccp to remove these stupid froums like buttons and other crap. |
Si Omega
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Posted - 2011.09.07 02:10:00 -
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Some things never change. Same moaners/whiners and trolls....
Si[gh] |
AnzacPaul
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.07 02:13:00 -
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Si Omega wrote:Some things never change. Same moaners/whiners and trolls....
Si[gh]
How can you honestly make that op when the most standard of functions have been taken away?
Images Signatures Coloured text Animated smileys Skinny hard to read forums with a fix "ctrl mouseclick", or a 3rd party browser app for something that was never required before.
But yes the intergration with Evegate seems to be working, although I don't really see the point in it all? |
Si Omega
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Posted - 2011.09.07 02:35:00 -
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Quote:Images Signatures Coloured text Animated smileys
Forum functions? lol
As a forum user of many, many years, I despise bandwidth busters that don't add to the CONTENT which is the bit I actually come to read .
You crack me up, and an Aussie to boot. |
AnzacPaul
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.07 02:43:00 -
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Si Omega wrote:Quote:Images Signatures Coloured text Animated smileys
Forum functions? lol As a forum user of many, many years, I despise bandwidth busters that don't add to the CONTENT which is the bit I actually come to read . You crack me up, and an Aussie to boot.
Ok, but seeing as you have had to already accuse people of being "whiners and trolls" for not agreeing with your opinion, don't you think the removal of these functions (we aren't asking for something that wasn't there before) is against the general forum populations opinions?
There's not much point in saying "who cares about the forum warriors", when they are in fact the people using the forums. |
Si Omega
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Posted - 2011.09.07 03:27:00 -
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Quote:general forum populations opinions?
Why is it everytime you speak you claim to represent "other users"?
As I said, and I'll say again, the SAME whiners and moaners whine and moan REGARDLESS of what CCP do. That's their role in life.
For mine, you want to argue with me, think what I did as the OP. I posted that *I like* the forum. I further posted I'd like to keep it fast by dumping all the crap I see on every website these days.
But yet again, the same whiners and moaners jump on to refute MY opinion with repeats of everything they have whined about everywhere else already. Over and over and over......
Show a little fortitude and move on a bit further than gutter sniping every goddam post.
Si[gh] |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.09.07 03:53:00 -
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Personal attacks removed. Please keep it civil.
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Sicarius Echerie
Junkyard Doggs Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.07 03:59:00 -
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Instead of giving Eve forums that no one requested and a space to walk around in that everyone disables, how about..
Real content and balance?
Nah, that would be too easy. |
AnzacPaul
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:06:00 -
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Si Omega wrote:Quote:general forum populations opinions?
I dont
I'm sure I don't have to link the large number of threads with people who have issues with the forums.
In fact, look at your own thread. How many agree with you? |
Kaede Kimura
Epsilon Inc STORM.
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:12:00 -
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Hell yeah! I really can't understand what features everyone is missing from the old forums. Oh is it perhaps the requirement to log in every time you want to make a post, or maybe how obsolete it was? If you want to post funny pictures, **** off to 4chan or whatever other hellhole you came from. |
Tyrnaeg en Varche
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:12:00 -
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AnzacPaul wrote:
In fact, look at your own thread. How many agree with you?
I agree with her, totally.
Also, good thing they added the hide button, now i can remove even more clutter from threads. |
AnzacPaul
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:22:00 -
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Kaede Kimura wrote:Hell yeah! I really can't understand what features everyone is missing from the old forums. Oh is it perhaps the requirement to log in every time you want to make a post, or maybe how obsolete it was? If you want to post funny pictures, **** off to 4chan or whatever other hellhole you came from.
No one is saying new forums weren't needed. like you said logging in all the time, no search function. But take a look at this post here, which were issues outlined to CCP before the release of the forums initally. How many of them were even considered by CCP?
Link
Whats the point of upgrading something if you lose functionality? |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:24:00 -
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AnzacPaul wrote:Whats the point of upgrading something if you lose functionality? You can add it later on for Aurum payments and call it an expansion?
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:41:00 -
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Sure, they're ok.
So were the old forums.
And that's the whole problem: six months and eight iterations and the result is only GÇ£okGÇ¥, which is no better than what was left behind. That's not really an ok expenditure of time and resources. For everything that these forums do better, there is at least one thing they also do worse. So nothing has really changed; there is no net improvement.
During all that time, none of the feedback has actually been used, and none of the lost functionality has been restored. This is particularly glaring considering it took the community a matter of hours to code locally injected fixes to some of the issues. None of that should be needed, and it most certainly shouldn't take so much time and so many iterations to fail to fix the same thing server-side. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Si Omega
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:49:00 -
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And what, for all that, the "missing functionality" is what, the same list that Anzac paul posted? That's all fluff, not function.
The forum as a whole runs quick, looks good and works well with some great features. Half the things you guys are asking for got nerfed off the best forums 15 years ago.
The lack of fluff is what get's my vote. It's a forum about Eve, not a gallery for bouncing cats and smoking gun type gfx. |
Skex Relbore
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Sure, they're ok.
So were the old forums.
And that's the whole problem: six months and eight iterations and the result is only GÇ£okGÇ¥, which is no better than what was left behind. That's not really an ok expenditure of time and resources. For everything that these forums do better, there is at least one thing they also do worse. So nothing has really changed; there is no net improvement.
During all that time, none of the feedback has actually been used, and none of the lost functionality has been restored. This is particularly glaring considering it took the community a matter of hours to code locally injected fixes to some of the issues. None of that should be needed, and it most certainly shouldn't take so much time and so many iterations to fail to fix the same thing server-side.
No ****, after the utter fail of the first "roll out" one would think they'd have done some serious retrospection and put in some real work on this.
Well I suppose we should be happy that they didn't release them on a Friday this time.
Guess they do learn some lessons eventually. |
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Skex Relbore
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:51:00 -
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Si Omega wrote:+1 CCP.
Integrates seamlessly with EveGate and works fine.
So are you a PR shill or just naive? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:57:00 -
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Si Omega wrote:And what, for all that, the "missing functionality" is what Lost settings and customisation options, lost editing ability, lost use of basic browser functionality, lost access to a vast array of content and other site functionality, lost usability in generalGǪ And that's just the broad strokes, without going into the nitty-gritty details.
The added functionality these forums offer is almost universally added through the wrong means and therefore breaks easily and offers no fallback. In addition it relies on scripting that obstructs the forum use in general, and turning off those annoyances also turns off the added functions.
As a result, much of the nice new features are not nice, nor are they features since heavy forum users will simply dike them out.
Quote:The lack of fluff is what get's my vote. It's a forum about Eve, not a gallery for bouncing cats and smoking gun type gfx. And guess what? You had the option to see and use all of that; now you don't. As much as you want to gloss over that fact because it ruins your argument, it is a loss of functionality, and it is far from the only example.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Si Omega
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Posted - 2011.09.07 04:59:00 -
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Quote:So are you a PR shill or just naive?
I am neither naive nor a PR shill. My views are mine and mine alone.
This is a new forum and I'd like to see it used by the MAJORITY of Eve players with something positive to add. I am seriously hopeful that saner and happier posts can prevail instead of the mindless abuse half you guys dish out.
Emo and self harm are >>> that way... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.07 05:04:00 -
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Si Omega wrote:This is a new forum and I'd like to see it used by the MAJORITY of Eve players GǪand guess what? As long as they don't offer a marked improvement over the old ones, that won't happen.
So why are you so against mindful and sane critique being offered? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Si Omega
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Posted - 2011.09.07 05:08:00 -
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Quote: In addition it relies on scripting that obstructs the forum use in general, and turning off those annoyances also turns off the added functions..
Hmmm. k.
I once wrote a fully integrated online store and we had over 1000 users with no problems.
Yet, we had a customer that complained and complained that he had to log on everytime he visited the store. He was reminded of cookies and proceeded to to scream loudly that he would get a virus and we'd steal his bank account details yadda yadda.
Sometimes ya just gotta trust the site man. Worse case scenario is inconvenience (any firewall user with regular backups will tell you that). |
Skex Relbore
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.07 05:10:00 -
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Si Omega wrote:Quote:So are you a PR shill or just naive? I am neither naive nor a PR shill. My views are mine and mine alone. This is a new forum and I'd like to see it used by the MAJORITY of Eve players with something positive to add. I am seriously hopeful that saner and happier posts can prevail instead of the mindless abuse half you guys dish out. Emo and self harm are >>> that way...
Ok, so naive it is then.
This is EVE after all, if we had saner and happier posts it would cease to be EVE. Much like the old saw about if you took all the fools out of Congress it would cease to be a representative body. |
Tyrnaeg en Varche
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Posted - 2011.09.07 05:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Lost settings and customisation options, lost editing ability, lost use of basic browser functionality, lost access to a vast array of content and other site functionality, lost usability in generalGǪ And that's just the broad strokes, without going into the nitty-gritty details.
I won't miss any of those. Less is more.
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Si Omega
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Posted - 2011.09.07 05:13:00 -
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Quote:So why are you so against mindful and sane critique being offered?
Some of the posts thus far...
Quote:Oh and those forum suck.
Quote:Maybe we can get facebook to sue ccp to remove these stupid froums like buttons and other crap. Instead of giving Quote:Eve forums that no one requested and a space to walk around in that everyone disables, how about..
Quote:So are you a PR shill or just naive?
Mindful? Sane? As for other posts, quite happy to agree to disagree. |
Si Omega
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Posted - 2011.09.07 05:15:00 -
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Quote:This is EVE after all, if we had saner and happier posts it would cease to be EVE
This is Eve forums. In Eve I will scam, rob, hunt, shoot and/or pod you, no questions asked. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.09.07 05:19:00 -
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Si Omega wrote:Hmmm. k.
I once wrote a fully integrated online store and we had over 1000 users with no problems. Did that store throw up bloaty tooltips that obstructed the text people were actually looking for? Did that store alter basic browser behaviour just 'cause? Did that store rely on scripting where no scripting was needed and did it fail to supply graceful degradation? Did the store break when used in conjunction with other services you provided?
I mean, it was just 1k users, so as a small project, I'd expect it to have those kind of flawsGǪ A forum based on a tried and tested open source project, provided with 72k manhours (now probably over 100k) and tons of testing? No, I expect far more for that. That these kinds of problems exist with this forum is just pitiful.
Quote:Yet, we had a customer that complained and complained that he had to log on everytime he visited the store. He was reminded of cookies and proceeded to to scream loudly that he would get a virus and we'd steal his bank account details yadda yadda. So basically, you're arguing for the return of the old forums hereGǪ
Well, as mentioned, they were ok too, and that is the whole problem: there is no net improvement with these new forums, even after all that time, all that testing, all that feedback, and all the work other people have done to show how trivially easy some of the issues are to fix.
Quote:Quote:So why are you so against mindful and sane critique being offered? Some of the posts thus far... GǪso? The question remains, since your dismissive attitude is the same towards the other posts: what do you have against mindful and sane critique? GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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