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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.23 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 23/01/2008 11:41:58 So news was presented to us that Tortuga (MC/KIA/Evoke/Outbreak) were setting positive standings to (parts of) the Coalition.
Having been part of the MC in an earlier form of the MC, I know they are a proud organization with a member base from all over EVE.
They went into the Tortuga thing to become "truly" neutral, a thing I can imagine and in a way it definitely makes sense. I would've chosen a difference execution of disassociating myself with BoB, but the idea behind it isn't flawed.
Now, the MC once again choses an alignment with a party outside the scope of a contract. Something they wanted to get rid of with the whole Tortuga thing.
I can see how MC leadership didn't like their members to go off on roams and kill nothing but coalition. It didn't really work towards their goal of securing Period Basis. Giving their members less targets might get them more focused towards the goal here: total control over Period Basis.
Or is there more to this? Has MC set their eyes on more than just Period Basis and do they also want a piece of Delve when it has been cleansed of BoB?
Time will tell, it's interesting times. I'm sure there will be a lot of internal discussion in the MC between the anti-BoB, pro-BoB camps in the MC and the camp that doesn't care as long as they have targets. How does Outbreak like this situation? Blob wars aren't exactly "their thing".
The synergy aspect of KIA is now clear though: their contacts with Goons have probably made this step a lot easier to make. -
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7shining7one7
Quafe Paladins
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Posted - 2008.01.23 11:43:00 -
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an honestpost from a bob member, outstanding
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Valen06
KDM Corp Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2008.01.23 11:46:00 -
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If this is true, it could mean the end of the MC.
MC has lost its respect and its members know that.
Sad times tbh.
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maGz
The Hoodie Mafia Cosa Nostra.
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Posted - 2008.01.23 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: maGz on 23/01/2008 11:48:39 As posted in previous thread: I thought MC couldn't sink any lower...
Not that it's overly surprising though. ____________
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Brmble
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.23 11:50:00 -
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Thanks for the info. (>'.')b
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JoeyDee
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.23 11:52:00 -
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....Till the end of days, We lucky Few, We band of Brothers!
Joey
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DT3
The Huns
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Posted - 2008.01.23 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: DT3 on 23/01/2008 11:54:09
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
The synergy aspect of KIA is now clear though: their contacts with Goons have probably made this step a lot easier to make.
Thank you for your respectful and honest post. Its a refreshing change.
I am pretty sure it is because they just want BoB to die as quickly as possible.
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Phenia
0-0 Space Squad Culture Shock Initiative
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Posted - 2008.01.23 11:54:00 -
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I cant really workout why MC would do this; its not like goons wont backstab them given the chance; hell, even they will admit that upfront!
It seems to me that the first time we get an 'impotent' capital deployment like a few weeks ago v shrike in 49u, and the coalition needs to let off some pent up hormones, a few tasty MC capitals will feel some lub.
I'm also perplexed as to what Outbreak are up to in this. They went from, 2 months ago, a tightnit roaming group with heavy capital support, almost no blues and a fearsome "We do what we want" reputation to now; pilots 20,777 -> 21,150 in the neverending blob, with 4/5 of all of 0.0 at least ideologically on their side.
Good show MC. Way to recover your shattered reputation. I'm sure youll earn a tonne of respect for this one, and it will definately help you secure PB to have BoB dead (hint; your so obviously next). -------------------------- Troll? Me? |
Captain Thunk
Captain Morgan Society
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Posted - 2008.01.23 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Thunk on 23/01/2008 11:55:38 Surely it's a case of expedience?
Tortuga wishes to secure Period Basis. The majority of attack comes from BoB who're hurt by the MCs decision to stand independent. Why shoot the people who also shoot BoB when it'd make the process of securing Period Basis faster by setting blue those people who're fighting the same common enemy?
It doesn't really need an incredible strategic mind to see why.
Could be worse, Seleene could be posting for two years about how they haven't set them to blue and would willingly fight RSF so long as there is sufficient ISK supplied and it comes with a plan
Thunk
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Fnck the blob.
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Posted - 2008.01.23 11:55:00 -
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Thankyou to bob for making an official post on behalf of their enemies?
They just want you dead.
I dont see how this is an official post given that its from neither the coalition or Tortuga.
Go back to smartbombing undock points?
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7sunami
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.23 11:56:00 -
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They didn't like the Bob's pet tag, so they upgraded themself to become Goon's pet. Can't blame them really.
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Darko1107
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.01.23 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Darko1107 on 23/01/2008 12:00:03 You cant be a merc and own space + be neutral to everyone. MC are the only merc to ever own space, and the only reason they suceeded in keeping it previously is because they had bob to protect them.
Now, even if they do reset everyone to neutral after this war is said and done, who exactly are they going to get contracts against? The southern and nothern coalitions and any1 well enough connected to them are out of the question because they can just walts in and wipe them out if they want, even BRUCE are to close for comfort. Thier only targets are going to be completely unrelated no mark alliances.
But tbh, i dont see one good reason why RSF would want to keep them around after this war anyway, look how well they stood by BoB....
Im also interested to hear outbreaks viewpoints (though im sure they wont be given), as they always stood out as the elite of eve, went about thier business alone and sometimes hooked up with random alliances to accomplish thier goals then went off in a different direction to pursue another intensely fun agenda.
Station owning blob warfare? I dont think they will stick around to long.
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.23 11:59:00 -
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It's the first move of an alliance on it's last 2 feet. Not long ago i heard MC representatives statin how they wqould never nap goons for multiple reasons. I guess the lack of progress and declining participation fueled this decision.
Just when you think you can't get more dissapointed in old friends that i've helped out not so long ago, you get proven wrong.
Such is eve. But after their nap ends, we will still have to settle the score. Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal |
Mud Pandemonium
Minmatar Trainwreck INC.
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Posted - 2008.01.23 11:59:00 -
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Reposting from the locked thread, with edits and such.
Hey, after BoB dies can the Goons follow suit? It'd be awful nice if you threw yourselves upon your swords so to speak, doing EVE a favor and all that y'see.
Be nice when these big ol' powerblocs are gone from EVE.. RSF, GBC, Tortuga.. same cancer, different body part.
There will be no end to the great war until these stupid multi-alliance alliances die in a fire. Goons have themselves and a good portion of EVE believing they're the antithesis of Band of Brothers when in reality they're BoB with ADD. Band of Brothers believes they can hold out forever, thinking that they'll simply go stationless or some such nonsense. I can guarantee when BoB becomes homeless members will start jumping ship in favour of a station holding alliance where they can stow away their possessions and have a place to dock at the end of the night, albeit they could do this in lowsec.
Goons? When BoB is gone goons are simply going to turn on MC, I'm sure both MC and Goons are fully aware of this but what does it say about the Goons themselves? They were bleating about BoB throwing allies under a bus, screaming about how arrogant Bob were.. and then they go and set one of the coalitions enemies blue? For whatever reason it's a slap in the face to IAC/AAA/RA, it's a slap in the face to those who worked to gain stations back in systems MC took. It's arrogance of the highest order.
The hell can I say about Tortuga? MC still has a brooding russian with an axe to grind waiting in the back biding his time, a region full of bloody drunks who have survived not one, not two, but three different campaigns (Or is it 4 now?) by MC to oust them.
I forgot where I was going with this so uh..
Powerblocs are ruining EVE.
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Thorliaron
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Valen06 If this is true, it could mean the end of the MC.
MC has lost its respect and its members know that.
Sad times tbh.
Yeah when they took that 'contract' from BoB at the start thats when it all went down hill
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 23/01/2008 12:03:10
Originally by: Captain Thunk Tortuga wishes to secure Period Basis. The majority of attack comes from BoB who're hurt by the MCs decision to stand independent. Why shoot the people who also shoot BoB when it'd make the process of securing Period Basis faster by setting blue those people who're fighting the same common enemy?
It doesn't really need an incredible strategic mind to see why.
Imo, removing BoB from delve won't make period basis anymore secure for MC. RA et all aren't stupid, they know that anyone with a large Cap fleet is a major problem and will target anyone who looks to be in that situation.
What interests me is that Tortuga still appears to be wanting to be mercs however they can't do that now due to owning land. Although they have been living in period basis for a long time, BoB has always been a threat to anyone considering an attack on Period Basis. When MC could go awol for weeks or months to do merc contracts before they won't have that luxury anymore. In fact, in tying themselves to Period Basis they have turned themselves into simply another land owning alliance, albiet with a pretence on top.
EDIT: Darko, did we really just agree on something? :/
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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DT3
The Huns
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: DT3 on 23/01/2008 12:05:20 Edited by: DT3 on 23/01/2008 12:03:03
Originally by: Tholarim It's the first move of an alliance on it's last 2 feet. Not long ago i heard MC representatives statin how they wqould never nap goons for multiple reasons. I guess the lack of progress and declining participation fueled this decision.
Just when you think you can't get more dissapointed in old friends that i've helped out not so long ago, you get proven wrong.
They should side iwth friends like you whose PLANNED at the bbq in 1986 to hole up in pr- and loose getting good fights with titans and teamspeak spies. Such is eve. But after their nap ends, we will still have to settle the score.
I am sure they are crumbling because you say so.
Attempt #2 with bob trying to put out their propaganda thread since yesterdays didn't go so well.
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CamMan
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:05:00 -
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I am guessing that MC wont answer my question as they have a CAOD ban in place.
MC have stated that the goon NAP is a matter of expediency to secure PB as quickly as possible (fair enough). But if MC cant take TPAR from BoB whilst BoB are being stretched and engaged in fountain, querious and delve by around 40 other alliances, what makes MC think they can even hold PB once the goon NAP fades away?
MC have also stated that they want goons dead as much as they want BoB dead, how are they planning on doing this if they cant even take TPAR with their tortugan allies?
It seems a smart move from MC to NAP goons to secure PB as quickly as possible, but it appears they are throwing away their other long term goals in doing so, and they are showing weakness by saying they cant take TPAR without even more support.
Cheers Cam
Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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Darko1107
Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 23/01/2008 12:03:10
Originally by: Captain Thunk Tortuga wishes to secure Period Basis. The majority of attack comes from BoB who're hurt by the MCs decision to stand independent. Why shoot the people who also shoot BoB when it'd make the process of securing Period Basis faster by setting blue those people who're fighting the same common enemy?
It doesn't really need an incredible strategic mind to see why.
Imo, removing BoB from delve won't make period basis anymore secure for MC. RA et all aren't stupid, they know that anyone with a large Cap fleet is a major problem and will target anyone who looks to be in that situation.
What interests me is that Tortuga still appears to be wanting to be mercs however they can't do that now due to owning land. Although they have been living in period basis for a long time, BoB has always been a threat to anyone considering an attack on Period Basis. When MC could go awol for weeks or months to do merc contracts before they won't have that luxury anymore. In fact, in tying themselves to Period Basis they have turned themselves into simply another land owning alliance, albiet with a pretence on top.
EDIT: Darko, did we really just agree on something? :/
dbp
Haha, whats more worrying is I thought the exact same thing at pretty much the same time as you.
Oh well, you know what they say... great minds...
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DT3
The Huns
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: CamMan
I am guessing that MC wont answer my question as they have a CAOD ban in place.
MC have stated that the goon NAP is a matter of expediency to secure PB as quickly as possible (fair enough). But if MC cant take TPAR from BoB whilst BoB are being stretched and engaged in fountain, querious and delve by around 40 other alliances, what makes MC think they can even hold PB once the goon NAP fades away?
MC have also stated that they want goons dead as much as they want BoB dead, how are they planning on doing this if they cant even take TPAR with their tortugan allies?
It seems a smart move from MC to NAP goons to secure PB as quickly as possible, but it appears they are throwing away their other long term goals in doing so, and they are showing weakness by saying they cant take TPAR without even more support.
Cheers Cam
Timing stront well and jump bridges means that BoB dont really hav ea problem defending 3 systems. You dont have control over all your psace bur you just hold all your station systems.
I dont think that means your winning.
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George Petsch
Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:07:00 -
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Shouldn't "official posts" come from a party actually involved? Your post only shows that you (or the GBC, if it's REALLY an official post) have officially no idea about the surroundings on that standings change.
Please, don't see this as an insult, but I really don't get the point of this.
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Jake Noble
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:08:00 -
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Quote: Mynas Atoch [ETNY]
Yes .. we agreed it right up front.
Constelations in Period Basis from super sexiest to worst.
OY3-DM - Evoke (excellent mining) 6KFH-X - KIA (good mining!) J8-G8K - MC (ok mining) NOK-FZ - Evoke (respawning 10/10) XOV7-5 - MC (respawning 6/10) N-39FI - MC (useless TPAR refinery with crap mining)
MC will also be taking the OK-FEM constellation in Delve including the C3N station, and bridging it to our existing XLL-Z7 constellation in Querious.
Erg but didnt they claim they only wanted period basis? The bolded part clearly means that they already plan on taking the c3n station in delve?
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Mud Pandemonium
Minmatar Trainwreck INC.
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: George Petsch Shouldn't "official posts" come from a party actually involved? Your post only shows that you (or the GBC, if it's REALLY an official post) have officially no idea about the surroundings on that standings change.
Please, don't see this as an insult, but I really don't get the point of this.
It's an Official post from BoB's viewpoint, neat of you to try and act as the forum referee here but as a league official I'm going to have to override your call, it's a fair play.
I think before my days are done, I want to be a fisherman. |
Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: DT3 Edited by: DT3 on 23/01/2008 12:07:22
Originally by: CamMan
I am guessing that MC wont answer my question as they have a CAOD ban in place.
MC have stated that the goon NAP is a matter of expediency to secure PB as quickly as possible (fair enough). But if MC cant take TPAR from BoB whilst BoB are being stretched and engaged in fountain, querious and delve by around 40 other alliances, what makes MC think they can even hold PB once the goon NAP fades away?
MC have also stated that they want goons dead as much as they want BoB dead, how are they planning on doing this if they cant even take TPAR with their tortugan allies?
It seems a smart move from MC to NAP goons to secure PB as quickly as possible, but it appears they are throwing away their other long term goals in doing so, and they are showing weakness by saying they cant take TPAR without even more support.
Cheers Cam
Timing stront well, 6 titans and jump bridges means that BoB dont really have a problem defending 3 systems. You dont have control over all your psace bur you just hold all your station systems.
I dont think that means your winning.
No single alliance has held out against the numbers we are facing for the period of time we have been. Ask any BoB member if that means we're losing. If you guys think this is the way to end BoB, your bitterness is clouding your judgement. Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal |
DT3
The Huns
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jake Noble
Quote: Mynas Atoch [ETNY]
Yes .. we agreed it right up front.
Constelations in Period Basis from super sexiest to worst.
OY3-DM - Evoke (excellent mining) 6KFH-X - KIA (good mining!) J8-G8K - MC (ok mining) NOK-FZ - Evoke (respawning 10/10) XOV7-5 - MC (respawning 6/10) N-39FI - MC (useless TPAR refinery with crap mining)
MC will also be taking the OK-FEM constellation in Delve including the C3N station, and bridging it to our existing XLL-Z7 constellation in Querious.
Erg but didnt they claim they only wanted period basis? The bolded part clearly means that they already plan on taking the c3n station in delve?
Why dont you stop posting their internal forums Mr.GOod fights and go stop them.
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DT3
The Huns
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: DT3 on 23/01/2008 12:12:54
Originally by: Tholarim
bleh
Timing stront well, 6 titans and jump bridges means that BoB dont really have a problem defending 3 systems. You dont have control over all your psace bur you just hold all your station systems.
I dont think that means your winning.
No single alliance has held out against the numbers we are facing for the period of time we have been. Ask any BoB member if that means we're losing. If you guys think this is the way to end BoB, your bitterness is clouding your judgement.
I am sorry my own judgement has no affect on killing BoB since I leave the leading to other people. BoB has held out for 2 reasons.
Killing all their pets and stealing members. Titans + Cyno jammers.
Do you have control over your space? apart from pr- maybe?
Agreed?
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Tearavygh Quillam
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:13:00 -
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So, what BoB is actually saying is "Now MC have done what's in their best interest, but we don't like it, because it's not in our best interest (although we know they have done that when our interests were the same), but hey, it's time for a new thread propaganda and since GBBS is closed because our wide mouth members smacked too much, let's put it on CAOD".
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
Originally by: George Petsch Shouldn't "official posts" come from a party actually involved? Your post only shows that you (or the GBC, if it's REALLY an official post) have officially no idea about the surroundings on that standings change.
Please, don't see this as an insult, but I really don't get the point of this.
It's an Official post from BoB's viewpoint, neat of you to try and act as the forum referee here but as a league official I'm going to have to override your call, it's a fair play.
Yah and Waagaa is hardly neutral considering what he did for MC alongside Seleene and Dri.
P.S. man I love COAD cleaner, time to add that really, really angry DT3 dude to the ignore list.
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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CamMan
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: DT3 Edited by: DT3 on 23/01/2008 12:08:08 Edited by: DT3 on 23/01/2008 12:07:22 Timing stront well, 6 titans and jump bridges means that BoB dont really have a problem defending 3 systems. You dont have control over all your space but you just hold all your station systems.
I dont think that means your winning.
You have answered you own questions though, BoB have to move forces around, giving MC the opportunity to take down the cyno jammer in TPAR at will, so they have no problems getting into TPAR, where they can stay once they are in there. BoB on the other hand has to move around, they dont have the ability to camp a system 24/7. Dont forget MC also have 2 titans of their own, which they could get into TPAR and create havoc with.
I also made no reference to BoB winning.
Originally by: Bender Interesting, no the other one ... tedious
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DT3
The Huns
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Posted - 2008.01.23 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: Mud Pandemonium
Originally by: George Petsch Shouldn't "official posts" come from a party actually involved? Your post only shows that you (or the GBC, if it's REALLY an official post) have officially no idea about the surroundings on that standings change.
Please, don't see this as an insult, but I really don't get the point of this.
It's an Official post from BoB's viewpoint, neat of you to try and act as the forum referee here but as a league official I'm going to have to override your call, it's a fair play.
Yah and Waagaa is hardly neutral considering what he did for MC alongside Seleene and Dri.
P.S. man I love COAD cleaner, time to add that really, really angry DT3 dude to the ignore list.
Thank you. Your leadership replying to me already means alot to me. You propaganda however I am not too fond of.
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