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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.23 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Entres
The crystals are for use with all shield tanking ships, of course, not just the drake. And I'd sooner use my faction boosters on NH, Cerb and Sleip really.
Heh, no argument there. I guess the deal is that I wouldn't fly a Drake in a crystal clone unless the Drake was fit appropriately.
Quote: I have to toy with passive PvP fits aswell, but the main handicap is crappy damage and I like to do damage in PvP. Drake has a pretty sucky output to begin with.
Yeah, the damage output on passive fits is lacking, but can be worthwhile if you're fulfilling other duties in the gang.
I'm a huge fan of:
Drake 7x HML II, Interdiction Maneuvers 2x LSE II, 2x Invuln II, 2x Shield Recharger II 3x SPR II, PDU II 3x CDFP I
I'd fit a warp disruptor but I'm (all things considered) likely not going to be in warp disruptor range of anyone. =/
-Liang
-- If it appears that my typing is lazy, I apologize. My hands/wrists hurt.
Consider yourself warned. ^_^ |
Lois Bishop
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.23 21:30:00 -
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Lowsec -> passive tank/here-i-am-shoot-me/low dps fit
0.0 -> nano it with HAMs
-Lois Bishop Recovering Nano-fag, Nano-free for 0 days, 0 hours, 42 seconds
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.23 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lois Bishop Lowsec -> passive tank/here-i-am-shoot-me/low dps fit
0.0 -> nano it with HAMs
Yeah, that's a good way to put it. In general, though, the Drake is sub-optimal for 0.0 warfare (imo). On the flip side, it almost can't be beat in lowsec.
-Liang
-- If it appears that my typing is lazy, I apologize. My hands/wrists hurt.
Consider yourself warned. ^_^ |
Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.01.23 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Trevor Warps on 23/01/2008 21:59:03
Originally by: Liang Nuren On the flip side, it almost can't be beat in lowsec.
Yeah ... expect theres the fact that even low sec is more and more filled with the BLOB(tm). Without one the Drake is pretty much golden.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.23 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Trevor Warps Edited by: Trevor Warps on 23/01/2008 21:59:03
Originally by: Liang Nuren On the flip side, it almost can't be beat in lowsec.
Yeah ... expect theres the fact that even low sec is more and more filled with the BLOB(tm). Without one the Drake is pretty much golden.
Well, assuming even remotely similarly sized gangs, the Drake can't really be beat.
The *ONLY* times I've ever lost a Drake was when I was ridiculously and overwhelmingly outnumbered.
IIRC, I lost a Drake to the OP and his friends once... but then, Drakes don't tend to stand up to a 7 man BS/Commandship gang.
-Liang
-- If it appears that my typing is lazy, I apologize. My hands/wrists hurt.
Consider yourself warned. ^_^ |
Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.01.23 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Well, assuming even remotely similarly sized gangs, the Drake can't really be beat.
That's alot to assume ;)
But i know what you mean. I saw one tank two of my buddies low dps BS, of course when my blaster BS came into the picture his health department started to hurt, but it is some impressive tanking nonetheless.
By the way, i see you are quite used to the Drake and EFT/stats stuff. Is it correct to say that the passive drake beats battleships tanks ?
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.23 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 23/01/2008 22:18:50
Originally by: Trevor Warps By the way, i see you are quite used to the Drake and EFT/stats stuff. Is it correct to say that the passive drake beats battleships tanks ?
Some battleships, but not all. If setup in a PVP fit for pure tanking, you can expect to see about 650-800 DPS tanked (depending on skills and exact tank setup).
For example, I successfully tanked an Absolution, Astarte, and Tach Abaddon in my Drake (Abaddon as backup).
This is a total list of all Drakes I've ever lost:
- 2 Domis, a Phoon, a Myrmidon, a Raven, and sentry guns. (Abaddon as backup) - Mega, Cerb, 2 Tempests, 2 Manticores, Claw, Moa, Vulture, Apoc, Crusader, Zealot, Sleip, Enyo, Caracal, Thrasher, 2 Crows, Vigil, Jaguar, and a Harbinger. (Solo) - Sleipnir, Vagabond, Zealot, Taranis (Solo) - Mega, Nighthawk, Raven, Cerb, Rapier, and three logistics cruisers (Megathron as backup)
-Liang
-- If it appears that my typing is lazy, I apologize. My hands/wrists hurt.
Consider yourself warned. ^_^ |
Jin Entres
Malevolent Intervention
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Posted - 2008.01.23 22:46:00 -
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My experience of Drakes is the opposite. It seems to be the most common ship I kill, and I'm rarely worried when I encounter one. Most of them are setup passively, and their damage output is pitiful. Sooner or later (usually sooner), their tanks crumble and they die. Perhaps these people can't fit their ships properly or something (or perhaps I fly ganky ships so much). --- CEO
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Mort Salazar
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Posted - 2008.01.23 22:51:00 -
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Liang,
Do you ever fly the drake solo and fit a mwd or scram?
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.01.23 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous Edited by: Omarvelous on 23/01/2008 16:14:40
Originally by: Malcanis I just wondered if you're wearing any implants? If you could bring down your grid requirements a bit, you might be able to swap the RCU for a PDS which would help your tank a bit. Given what you've spent on fitting that drake (best named goodies, 3x rigs) a faction PDS might be. They give +7.5% grid compared to 5% for a T2 PDS, and cost about 15-20M.
Disclaimer: haven't run any numbers through EFT or anything so I might be wrong. It was just a thought.
I'm usually a gunnery pvper, so my slots are used up for gunnery implants - however good idea - I may have a jump clone try that out, I had totally forgotten about the grid implants.
Faction PDS? Hmmm - maybe - I see your point on spending a little bit more to squeeze some more out of the ship. Then again, I am on my way to training up AWU - there are so many fits I'm a little short of ideal on because of a lack of grid!
If you don't have AWU to at least 3, you should pretty much stop training whatever skill you're on and get it right now!
Even a single T2 PDS can make a surprising difference to an active tank. If you compare the ~1.5M they cost to the price of a +5% shield and a +5% cap implant, you'll see what I mean. And that's not even counting the pretty substantial recharge rate bonuses too.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.23 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mort Salazar Liang,
Do you ever fly the drake solo and fit a mwd or scram?
Yes, I fly it solo on occasion (though truth be told, it's a gang boat). I don't really consider it a PVP fit unless I fit a scram, web, or gang mod (and maybe all three, depending).
Yes, I fit a MWD if I'm 0.0, but generally not in lowsec (In fact, fitting a MWD/web/scram can snag you unwary nano HAC kills..).
-Liang
-- If it appears that my typing is lazy, I apologize. My hands/wrists hurt.
Consider yourself warned. ^_^ |
Mort Salazar
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Posted - 2008.01.23 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
I'm a huge fan of:
Drake 7x HML II, Interdiction Maneuvers 2x LSE II, 2x Invuln II, 2x Shield Recharger II 3x SPR II, PDU II 3x CDFP I
I'd fit a warp disruptor but I'm (all things considered) likely not going to be in warp disruptor range of anyone. =/
-Liang
What would you change for a solo pvp fit. sorry if you already posted it im at work and not reading everythign to teh T....
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.23 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jin Entres My experience of Drakes is the opposite. It seems to be the most common ship I kill, and I'm rarely worried when I encounter one. Most of them are setup passively, and their damage output is pitiful. Sooner or later (usually sooner), their tanks crumble and they die. Perhaps these people can't fit their ships properly or something (or perhaps I fly ganky ships so much).
If you're careful, you can completely avoid fights like that - but a fully skilled gank megathron or some sort of highly skilled gank laser boat is about the only ships that are gonna break my tank solo.
Though, I've actually solo defeated a gank megathron in my Drake... ;-)
-Liang
-- If it appears that my typing is lazy, I apologize. My hands/wrists hurt.
Consider yourself warned. ^_^ |
Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.23 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Mort Salazar What would you change for a solo pvp fit. sorry if you already posted it im at work and not reading everythign to teh T....
My lowsec solo Drake was:
Drake 7x HML II 3x LSE II, Invuln II, Warp Disruptor II, Fleeting/Web II 4x SPR II 3x CDFP I
-Liang
-- If it appears that my typing is lazy, I apologize. My hands/wrists hurt.
Consider yourself warned. ^_^ |
Mort Salazar
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Posted - 2008.01.23 23:16:00 -
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thats pretty much what i had , just makign sure im not stupid ;)
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.23 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Mort Salazar thats pretty much what i had , just makign sure im not stupid ;)
This is going to sound like some sort of corny resume advice, but don't hesitate to fit for your enemy. For instance, I only had a web when I went against the Abso, Astarte, and Abaddon (in favor of a second invuln).
Our Abaddon took care of the point while I webbed them.
-Liang
-- If it appears that my typing is lazy, I apologize. My hands/wrists hurt.
Consider yourself warned. ^_^ |
Zoey Rapture
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Posted - 2008.01.23 23:34:00 -
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I'd like to have your babies, Liang.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.23 23:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zoey Rapture I'd like to have your babies, Liang.
<3
-- If it appears that my typing is lazy, I apologize. My hands/wrists hurt.
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.01.24 00:05:00 -
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Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 24/01/2008 00:08:28 7x HML 2
2x Invul 2 1x large extender 2 1x 24km scramb 1x 10km web 1x 10mn MWD 2
3x BCU 2 1x PDU 2
5 light drones 2
My generic 0.0 drake fit. Needs AWU4 and grid upgrades 5 to fit. If I were to fit rigs, they would probably be extender rigs for the HP buffer, or perhaps missle range. (Thinking back, missle range rigs would be hard to add on with the CPU debonus on the launchers. So just extender rigs )
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Atsuko Ratu
Caldari VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.01.24 03:18:00 -
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Oops, I was right the first time. I ment 7x heavy assault launchers
Nooby time for meee
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nether void
Caldari Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.24 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren My lowsec solo Drake was:
Drake 7x HML II 3x LSE II, Invuln II, Warp Disruptor II, Fleeting/Web II 4x SPR II 3x CDFP I
-Liang
This is 85% of a PvE fit (and the same thing I have fitted right now on my mission runner), which you can take a serious beating on and still keep on truckin'.
I love the passive tank on the Drake, and it's not too prone to being neuted since the only mod you're using to up the tank is not supplying a large portion of your resist, you have skills and bonus resist doing most of the work.
In fact, the only thing different here between Liang's solo PvP fit and my PvE fit would be replacing...well I would run two active mission-specific hardeners and a shield regen. Everything else is exactly the same, and you can tank a crapton of damage with that set up.
The fight will probably be a slow one of attrition, since your dps will be pretty horrible, but chances are good you can tank more damage than they can, so just keep pounding away. lol
... EM damage is still a pain in that set up though. Your EM resist would be ... 25% before the Invuln and hanging around 50% when active? --------------------------- CEO Shrapnel Industries "You like to blow s*** up, and we like to make that possible." nethervoid - since '97 [UO|EQ|SB|SWG|PS|EVE|NWN|VG Beta|WoW] |
Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.01.24 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: nether void ... EM damage is still a pain in that set up though. Your EM resist would be ... 25% before the Invuln and hanging around 50% when active?
I think it should be 43.75% when active.
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nether void
Caldari Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.24 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Trevor Warps
Originally by: nether void ... EM damage is still a pain in that set up though. Your EM resist would be ... 25% before the Invuln and hanging around 50% when active?
I think it should be 43.75% when active.
Pretty low for PvP I would imagine, but with 13k shields and a 200sec recharge time, you're still pretty golden. hehe --------------------------- CEO Shrapnel Industries "You like to blow s*** up, and we like to make that possible." nethervoid - since '97 [UO|EQ|SB|SWG|PS|EVE|NWN|VG Beta|WoW] |
Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.01.24 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
The *ONLY* times I've ever lost a Drake was when I was ridiculously and overwhelmingly outnumbered.
IIRC, I lost a Drake to the OP and his friends once... but then, Drakes don't tend to stand up to a 7 man BS/Commandship gang.
-Liang
Yarr?!
Drakes are blob magnates - when Ive lost mine, the kill mail usually takes 3 or more evemails to send.
I'm glad this thread is discussing the possibilities of fitting a Drake for gank first then tank.
A typical HM Tanked out drake - I'm toying with the possibility of setting up a spider tank with 5-6 Drakes (use 8th high slot for medium shield transfer - swap out SPR's II for PDU II's) and try to pick on overconfident Thanatos pilots! Eve-search will lead you to my Spider Drake post with superb midi sound effects.
But before I derail my own thread, is it worth it to rig the HAM drake for missile velocity to get better range on T1 HAMs? Or is it still a better idea to go with defensive rigs. __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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nether void
Caldari Shrapnel Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.24 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Omarvelous But before I derail my own thread, is it worth it to rig the HAM drake for missile velocity to get better range on T1 HAMs? Or is it still a better idea to go with defensive rigs.
I know this was probably meant for Liang, but the defensive rigs cut your recharge rate by leaps and bounds. IMO if the target isn't moving (scram, web) then you want to use your advantage (tank) to grind him down. Taking away from that advantage to add to something that probably shouldn't matter much (unless you're solo) would not be a good idea IMO.
Then again all my knowledge of the drake and making it tank is in PvE settings, so maybe that makes it less valid. lol --------------------------- CEO Shrapnel Industries "You like to blow s*** up, and we like to make that possible." nethervoid - since '97 [UO|EQ|SB|SWG|PS|EVE|NWN|VG Beta|WoW] |
Hitme Harder
HERRO KITTY
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Posted - 2008.01.24 16:40:00 -
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100million worth of abelest launchers nice lemme know where you pvp
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Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
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Posted - 2008.01.24 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Omarvelous on 24/01/2008 17:35:53
Originally by: Hitme Harder 100million worth of abelest launchers nice lemme know where you pvp
Ah Herro!
I meant Arbalest Heavy ASSAULT - not heavy missiles. So no - not 100 mil worth of launchers.
That said - please use a locater agent and find me - bring friends!
If your fighting skills are as good as your reading skills... __________________________________________________ Sup brosef! Destry's Lounge is looking for a few good drunks - contact me in game.
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