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Komaito
AFK
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Posted - 2008.01.25 13:37:00 -
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When I see these guys in haulers I keep wondering if there is something else fishy about them (wether they use macros or not)?
For example, check this character:
Name: Cuper Otore Federal Navy Academy Age: 9 days
Standings Factions: Sisters of Eve 7.99 Gallente Federation 7.47 Minmatar Republic 6.67 ... Corporations: Poteque Pharmaceuticals 5.55 Impetus 1.23 Creodron 0.82 (nothing else here)
His ship
Several characters in the area show similar characteristics.
- very good faction standings in 9 days: wtf? (Maybe shared missions, but you can't share storylines for faction?) - standings for only 3 corporations, and these are worse than his faction standings: How can you gain faction standings without gaining corp standings? - High standings with SoE, but no standings to any SoE-corp at all?
Maybe there is an explanation within game mechanics for that, but I just don't know it...
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Calyce
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.25 13:45:00 -
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COSMOS missions
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the thorn
Tres Viri
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Posted - 2008.01.25 14:17:00 -
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or data centers
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Komaito
AFK
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Posted - 2008.01.25 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Komaito on 25/01/2008 15:24:18 I did both COSMOS missions and some data center agents myself, and at least those I visited did not only raise the standings towards a faction, but also to a npc corp.
That does not fit here. Most obviously regarding the SoE standings: ONLY faction standings there.
Are there cosmos and data centers that raise faction, and faction only - and no npc corp standings?
Or are there other possibilities? ------------------------------------ radiation... too much radiation... |
Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.25 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: Komaito - High standings with SoE, but no standings to any SoE-corp at all?
That is fully expected if he only ran missions for Gallente. The SoE and Minmatar appear to be derived standings: yes you can get derived standings increases for SoE that are higher than the factions you have been working for directly.
This is consistant with the corp standings you reported.
As for how corp standings is lower than faction standings, I am not sure how that can occur.
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iudex
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.25 16:30:00 -
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Faction standing 8 in 9 days sounds fishy. Cosmos won't give that much, not even close. He must have had some help with combat storylines, since most of the other storylines don't give much faction standing, and a 9 days old character might have trouble to do them allone.
Standing to SOE: probably through gallente faction standing (didn't check how they are connected, but if friendly it rises faster than gallente's fs, same as mordus legion for caldaris e.g., which is usually higher than caldari state standing without doing any missions for mordus at all).
Low corp standing might be because of mission-picking: he refuses a lot of missions, which gives a strong corp standing decrease, but only a tiny faction standing loss.
It's quite hard to get a faction standing of 8 and i bet a kestrel that something is wrong with him, maybe he's a 23/7 macro mission-bot ? ________ My skills |
Arkedon
Caldari Pegasus Knights
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Posted - 2008.01.25 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Arkedon on 25/01/2008 17:33:50 Would this be a plausible explanation?
1. He has friends with already high corp NPC standings. 2. His friends gang him and they complete missions as a gang so get gets corp standing gains. 3. Since there are 4 high standing friends completing missions for him, he gains corp standing faster. 4. Rinse/Repeat until he has access to his own lvl 4 agents. 5. He starts the missions and the same gang helps him and he completes it. 6. Rinse/Repeat until he gets storyline missions. 7. His friends help him with that too.
I'm just not sure if they can get it up that high in 9 days. But it is possible if they do it all day.
I was able to get my main's Caldari standing to around 9.++ with 3 months of solo playing about 2-3 hours a day. And not all time is devoted to missions.
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.01.25 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Arkedon Edited by: Arkedon on 25/01/2008 17:33:50 Would this be a plausible explanation?
1. He has friends with already high corp NPC standings. 2. His friends gang him and they complete missions as a gang so get gets corp standing gains. 3. Since there are 4 high standing friends completing missions for him, he gains corp standing faster. 4. Rinse/Repeat until he has access to his own lvl 4 agents. 5. He starts the missions and the same gang helps him and he completes it. 6. Rinse/Repeat until he gets storyline missions. 7. His friends help him with that too.
I'm just not sure if they can get it up that high in 9 days. But it is possible if they do it all day.
I was able to get my main's Caldari standing to around 9.++ with 3 months of solo playing about 2-3 hours a day. And not all time is devoted to missions.
This would show in high Corp standings. But he has luousy standing towards 3 corps while having excelent standings towards 3 factions.
The only explanation I can think about (and it should not be possible), is that turning down a storyline actualy increases his standing towards the opposing factions (but this seems nonsense).
I would petition this in place of the OP. It is highly suspicios imv.
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.25 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka The only explanation I can think about (and it should not be possible), is that turning down a storyline actualy increases his standing towards the opposing factions (but this seems nonsense).
It did happen, and was nonsense, so it was changed.
It was changed alot more than 8 days ago, so that could not be the explination.
I don't know what the faction standing verses corp standing penalty for failing/refusing a mission is, so I cannot confirm or deny the theory that mission picking could be the cause of the mismatched standings.
A challenge is, that important missions give a much higher corp standing increase than they do faction standing increase. So there is no way to avoid gaining corp standings while gaining faction standings. It is just a question of the possiblity of losing alot of corp standing without losing too much faction standing.
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Arkedon
Caldari Pegasus Knights
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Posted - 2008.01.25 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
This would show in high Corp standings. But he has luousy standing towards 3 corps while having excelent standings towards 3 factions.
The only explanation I can think about (and it should not be possible), is that turning down a storyline actualy increases his standing towards the opposing factions (but this seems nonsense).
I would petition this in place of the OP. It is highly suspicios imv.
Hmm that is true. I missed the corp standings there. Refusing a mission (within the 4 hour limit) also hits your faction standing. So he would have had low faction too along with low corp standings if he was cherry-picking missions.
Really weird.
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Komaito
AFK
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Posted - 2008.01.25 18:33:00 -
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Apparently I'm not the only one who doesn't understand how these standings are possible...
I watched traffic for a while.
It's the same pattern for quite a number of characters in low sec metropolis:
- Bauqi Sinq - Cuper Otore - Feand Jopen - Queen Bacen - Qiesu Xman - Usaft Oalun - Orgen Zepen - Xofe Kopens - Team Drear - Kenp Breke
Common features: - all younger than 10 days - all active in Metropolis low sec, Angils constellation - all fly Iterons III - all with excellent faction standings - all with mediocre corp standings: best corp standing always worse than the corresponding faction standing.
Some of these names appear here: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/683452/page/1 (posting of "true seller") ------------------------------------ radiation... too much radiation... |
Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.25 18:38:00 -
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Anyone care to post a screen shot of their standings, both liked and disliked by, including standings with agents.
I have some time at work were I could look them over, but by the time I get home and in-game, I probably won't care enough to look it up myself.
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Mad Crafter
Green Men Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.01.25 18:48:00 -
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If their all in low sec get a friend or 2 together and set up a gate camp. How they react and what's in their cargo should tell you a lot about what they are doing, and if their macroing.
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Komaito
AFK
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Posted - 2008.01.25 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Matalino Anyone care to post a screen shot of their standings, both liked and disliked by, including standings with agents.
I have some time at work were I could look them over, but by the time I get home and in-game, I probably won't care enough to look it up myself.
liked1 liked2 liked3 disliked1 disliked2 disliked3
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the thorn
Tres Viri
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Posted - 2008.01.25 19:20:00 -
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looks like bug using to me. (maybe petition them?)
i know of a courier storyline "circle". 3 agents, something like 7 jumps away from each other. every agent gives you a courier storyline, which destination is the location of the next agent. as they say 1. talk to agent 2. fly to next agent 3. profit
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.01.25 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Komaito Some of these names appear here: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/683452/page/1 (posting of "true seller")
I hate tinfoil hattery as much as the next man, but this has got to be ISK farmers grinding. And I'd be willing to bet they're using exploiting some little known mission bug to maximise their gains.
I've never visited the Timecodes and Characters forum, not needing either timecodes or characters. It's quite incredible. The number of posts where someone is selling 1 GTC and a buyer misreads the post and wants to buy GTCs each of a list of 5 oddly named characters is slightly depressing.
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Ki Shodan
Gallente deep blue
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Posted - 2008.01.25 20:36:00 -
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There is a way to loose Corp-Standing without a faction hit, I think. Raiding Convoys ... but not very likely in lo sec, since there are no NPC-Convoy in lo sec, if I remember right.
But there seems to be a lot noob hauler in some parts of lo sec these days, some gate campers even do not care to shoot them down anymore, because it is too boring.
A former corp mate got his sec status down to -10 real quick, while chatting with me, just by shooting autopiloted-haulers, with strange names, at a lo sec gate. --
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.25 21:23:00 -
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I would say that Orfold needs alot more pirates, and that level 4 courier missions need more valuable cargo with higher colaterals to encourage the pirates to go after them. The faction standings hit for mission failure might need a boost as well.
Problem is with the current courier mission arrangement is that unskilled pilots in cheap ships can complete them too easily and risk free.
It is doubtfull that it is evem remotely cost effective to kill those AFK mission runners. Making an rough guestimate, the costs of failure are insignificant compared to the reward for success. It would appear that farmers have figured this out and are now exploiting it full time.
I would say that courier mission collaterals above level 1 need a revamp such that the collateral is 5-10 times the reward instead of having rewards 5-10 times the collateral like it is now.
Maybe I should put together a few courier running alts: a couple hours training won't hurt any of my mains, and I can run up to 8 sessions across my two computers. Even failing 50% of the missions I would still be coming out ahead.
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Ki Shodan
Gallente deep blue
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Posted - 2008.01.25 21:32:00 -
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Looking at the screens, i would guess that there is a mission chain or a high proability of getting the same drop off locations often. You AFK run Level 4 Cargo-missions with multiple Alts for Poteque Pharmaceuticals ... (Do they have nice implants in their LP shop?)
Looking on the negative standing of that chars: Do you get standing with the Ferderal Navy, when hitting Serpentis Mission rats? (One main char gangs the noob-alts, while power running level 4 or 5 missions for the Federation?) (I am currently out of game and can't check, if mission and/or COSMOS rats give standing to faction only or to the specific corp.)
If this is the case and those Chars are really some kind of farming chars. There might be an fleet of alt chars being standing boosted by some level 5 mission running mains somewhere. --
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.25 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ki Shodan Looking on the negative standing of that chars: Do you get standing with the Ferderal Navy, when hitting Serpentis Mission rats?
There are no derived standings from NPC kills.
The only way to get a positive faction standing is to complete important missions yourself.
You cannot share faction standing gains with gang-mates.
Looking a the agents with which these characters have positive standings it is immediately obvious that they are grinding courier missions. Most likely this is for LP and storyline rewards.
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente Anqara Tech
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Posted - 2008.01.25 21:52:00 -
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The way to loose corp standing without loosing faction standing is to fail missions which you have accepted (as opposed to declining missions more frequently than every 4 hours).
Lots of farmers running courier missions constantly will get a lot of storylines to increase their faction standings.
Lots of pirates enjoy blowing up farmers.
Put the two together and you have farmers with higher faction standings than their corp standings.
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Komaito
AFK
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Posted - 2008.01.25 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sphynx Stormlord The way to loose corp standing without loosing faction standing is to fail missions which you have accepted (as opposed to declining missions more frequently than every 4 hours).
Lots of farmers running courier missions constantly will get a lot of storylines to increase their faction standings.
Lots of pirates enjoy blowing up farmers.
Put the two together and you have farmers with higher faction standings than their corp standings.
At 1st thought I would have expected more negative standings in the dislikes tab if missioners fail missions repeatedly.
But if they run missions again and again and again for the same agents/corps, standing losses with these are compensated.
Meanwhile, faction standings dont go down, even if missions fail - didn't know that failing missions only affects corp standings, not faction standings.
Your explanation sounds plausible. ------------------------------------ radiation... too much radiation... |
Couv Ilion
Caldari Knights Of Serenity Zeta Tau Epsilon
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Posted - 2008.01.25 23:31:00 -
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anybody else notice that they all have standing with Poteque Pharmaceuticals or however you spell it? Maybe there's a bug related to their missions. Seems a little fishy that they all have standings with the same corp.
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Matalino
Gallente Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.25 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Couv Ilion anybody else notice that they all have standing with Poteque Pharmaceuticals or however you spell it? Maybe there's a bug related to their missions. Seems a little fishy that they all have standings with the same corp.
Or it could have something to do with what is available at the LP store for that corp
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X'Alor
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Posted - 2008.01.26 02:37:00 -
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Pretty obvious. Its his hauler alt pig second account thats hauling loots for his lvl 4 agent runner. As for his standings.
He is poaching convoys coming out of the same station he is running missions with.
Pretty simple, pretty obvious.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.26 03:45:00 -
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Edited by: Yakia TovilToba on 26/01/2008 03:45:44
Originally by: Komaito
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Meanwhile, faction standings dont go down, even if missions fail - didn't know that failing missions only affects corp standings, not faction standings. ...
Is this true ? Can someone confirm this ? (Can't do it myself, don't have access to the testserver atm). Because if yes, then cherry-picking is available again (people could simply accept and fail the mission instead of rejecting) and might explain the massive drop of lp value.
But even if that's not true, the last time i checked the mission refusing loss (was few months ago) you got a faction standing hit that was somewhere 100 times smaller (somewhere at -0.01) than the corp standing hit, so picking the good missions and rejecting the bad ones can lead to a higher faction standing than corp standing.
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the thorn
Tres Viri
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Posted - 2008.01.26 09:18:00 -
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the value drop of LP was worst for the Gallente LP, caldari and amarr LP didnt drop as much.
what a coincidence that the macro runners are farming gallente lp.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.01.26 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: the thorn the value drop of LP was worst for the Gallente LP, caldari and amarr LP didnt drop as much.
what a coincidence that the macro runners are farming gallente lp.
While I am convinced that this guys are farming courier mission, the low value of Gallente LP is more dependant from the low interest of the material in the Gallente LP store.
There is some good items in the Gallente store but the market is easy to saturate as the potential buyers are limited, while the Caldari and some of the Amarr LP items have a larger buyer base.
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Ryan Scouse'UK
omen. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.26 12:04:00 -
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Answer to ur questions they are macro mission cargo mission runners.
or 5 people meta gaming -
there are tons of them in low sec mostly on macro tho - if you kill there hauler there pod will sit there in space until you kill it or until the human / rice alt checks & moves him to get a new hauler.. its mostly with bestowers in gallente space around AGOZE I belive its called? or LOES-
Its all macro isk farming players running trial accounts / to get LP / standing gain to buy faction ships & sell for profit.
there are so many that CCP really need to look into it & ban all Macro mission accounts- its so easy I mean come on who runs cargo missions 23/hrs a day every day for 10days.. come on CCP open ur eyes.
If you want to get to -10 very quickly head to LOES & gank all these macro haulers.
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Ryan Scouse'UK
omen. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.26 12:05:00 -
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You only get faction HIT - if you fail storylines -
if you fail normal missions you only lose corp standing nothing else.
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