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Pantaloon McPants
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Posted - 2008.01.29 10:31:00 -
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CCP cant be this blind, they have to realize people flock to motsu because of the highest level 4 command agent there that doesnt send you into Low Sec space.
I think there being very stubborn in the fact they believe the lag will just ease people away from Motsu (yeah like lag scares people from Jita), it hasnt got better if anything its getting worse, today i had a extravaganza mission i was looking forward to doing but couldnt undock or refit my ship for well over 30mins.
Ive done the whole 0.0 boredom thing, fleet battles, pos ****fests, 90hr mining ops that turn your brain into mush, all i want to do now is log on for an hr a day and do my command missions with the best agent i can find.
So bottom line is, stop being so ******* lazy and add some more top quality agents already, you can also fix jita by extending the Jita market to the few surrounding systems, You buy/sell it in Perimiter and it gets delivered/sold in Jita (some sort of delivery service).
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.01.29 10:54:00 -
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Or just switch corps? Switch Division, even. Or is that too demanding? I just cannot understand why people persist in laghell systems, when there is absolutely no need what so ever to do that. I left Irjunen, never to return, when it rose to 150 at peak.
Eveninfo is up again, so is eve-agents, go find yourself new agents to work for.
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.01.29 11:40:00 -
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Why are people obsessed with the Caldari Navy? Unless you've got lots of LP banked with them and are waiting to cash them in, why not work for another Caldari corporation? If you've been whoring lvl4s, then Caldari faction standing should let you work for almost anyone.
Or is it the case that only Caldari Navy have high-quality agents who don't send you to low-sec? Looking at the agent list, there are 24 "combat" agents in the caldari faction of lvl4, quality >0, in security 0.5 or above.
Just for comparison's sake, Minmatar have 9 such agents, Ammar 18, and Gallente 6.
(I haven't looked at the exact location of all these agents, so they may be right next to low-sec. Your mileage may vary. I am not a lawyer.)
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Pantaloon McPants
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Posted - 2008.01.29 13:12:00 -
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ah whats the point. your answer is i switch race and start from scratch, what if by the time i get to minmatar top level 4 command agent that system is chocka block?
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.01.29 13:19:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 29/01/2008 13:18:56 So are you just trolling now?
Race =/= corp or division.
edit: And it's faction, not race.
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Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.01.29 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Pantaloon McPants ah whats the point. your answer is i switch race and start from scratch
That is exactly not my answer.
My answer is that you work for a Caldari corporation that isn't Caldari Navy. They give the same loyalty store rewards, but are usually less popular.
The numbers were there just to point out that Caldari win in terms of numbers of lvl4 positive-quality safe-safe combat agents.
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Rajah Cudlar
Federation Scrap Dealers
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Posted - 2008.01.29 13:35:00 -
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There are 76 caldari faction agents who give primarily kill missions. If you are losing 30 minutes at a time for not even being able to undock/refit it would seem better to move even if you have to go down the quality value a litte. For what it's worth I've found that running missions in out of the way areas is much more fun than the crowded hubs.
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Sendraks
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.29 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Sendraks on 29/01/2008 13:38:38
Originally by: Pantaloon McPants ah whats the point. your answer is i switch race and start from scratch, what if by the time i get to minmatar top level 4 command agent that system is chocka block?
I did exactly this switch over a year ago when salvaging came in and I realised that the system of Dodixie (home of Fed Navy agents) was going to be infested with salvagers busting mission DS's, as it was a system with a daily population of 200+ It was already very laggy at the time and hasn't improved too much since then. It should be noted however, that though the daily pop has risen to around 300+ at peak times, the lag isn't noticeably much worse. Credit to CCP's infrastructure.
One year later and the system I moved to still only has an average population of 20-40 people throughout the day and missions often take place in surrounding systems with a population of 10 or less. Interestingly, despite the qual difference between the agents (the one I work for now is of a lower qual) yields a negligible difference in LP and ISK. Certainly the slight reduction in LP is worth the tradeoff for lag free, salvager free mission running.
I've also got an alt running missions in another hi-sec part of the galaxy where he is heading off to do missions for a level 4 agent in a system with a typical daily population of less than 30 people.
The only reason to add more Caldari Navy agents would be if the corporation had less agents than the corresponding agents of different factions.
In summary, the only thing that is keeping you from running missions in a lag free, salvager free system is your own laziness or stupidity. Take your pick which. Hell, pick both if you like.
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Traska Gannel
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Posted - 2008.01.29 14:18:00 -
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The only thing keeping you in Motsu is you ... 1) System security matters for rewards - a lower security system with a lower quality agent often gives more rewards. 2) There a lots of Caldari NPC corporations that you can work for which give the same LP rewards as the Caldari Navy store (Spacelane Patrol for example among many others). Many of these corporations also have high quality level 4 combat agents in hi sec - some are significantly better than the Motsu agent - but you will have to do the research to find them. 3) Divisions of Caldari Navy other than command also give out mostly combat missions. Command, Internal Security, Security, Intelligence and a couple of others all give primarily combat missions.
If you are stuck on only Caldari Navy Command agents for role playing reasons - that's perfectly ok - but don't complain about the choice of agents. If you are stuck on Caldari Navy Command agents because you can't be bothered to spend 20 minutes doing some research to find a better Caldari agent then that is really a problem that you need to address with yourself.
Good hunting - and there are much better agents available than the one in Motsu ...
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Bronson Hughes
Knights of the Wild
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Posted - 2008.01.29 14:26:00 -
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There are a couple of fine level IV, quality 20 combat agents in 0.5 systems with no neighboring losec systems. They rock for mission running.
No, I'm not telling you where they are. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne |
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.01.29 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ulstan on 29/01/2008 15:53:10 Why are you running missions for Caldari Navy? Pick some other corp with the exact same LP store.
If you have high enough faction standing, you can use any level 4 agent (non R&D of course) for that faction. You should be at this stage for caldari.
And really close for Amarr. I'd recommend doing Amarr missions actually, much better salvage than guristas, that's for sure.
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Ralara
Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.29 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Pantaloon McPants CCP cant be this blind, they have to realize people flock to motsu because of the highest level 4 command agent there that doesnt send you into Low Sec space.
No, its you who is blind.
go do them in a 0.6 system with a Q 12 agent - you'll get more LP per mission than in motsu.
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Kadoes Khan
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Posted - 2008.01.29 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Pantaloon McPants CCP cant be this blind, they have to realize people flock to motsu because of the highest level 4 command agent there that doesnt send you into Low Sec space.
You may want to do a little more research on what makes agents good, highest quality doesn't necessarily mean a better payout, there is a better command agent 2 jumps away that doesn't send you to low sec and is still CN. -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity." |
Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.01.29 20:32:00 -
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Motsu is popular not bcos there is agent with good quality or stellar rewards, but bcos there is a lot of them in same system thus letting one to pick only missions that are profitable and skip the crap (a la the score and massive attack).
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Mal Renolds
Caldari Team America World Cops
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Posted - 2008.01.30 04:08:00 -
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CCP could drop a high QL Caldari Navy agent or two in low sec all the other races have this and there is just something wrong with saila period its like the Bermuda triangle of odd lagg nothing should be close to jita anyhow
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Deva Blackfire
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.30 06:15:00 -
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Originally by: Pantaloon McPants ah whats the point. your answer is i switch race and start from scratch, what if by the time i get to minmatar top level 4 command agent that system is chocka block?
Lol funny guy. It took me literally one week to unlock 5x lvl4 agents from DIFFERENT corps (and even different factions) on my alt. And i escaped caldari state lag already + have "spare" agents if i need to.
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Asmosis
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Posted - 2008.01.30 06:58:00 -
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Motsu is the only area in hisec space where there are so many L4 agents so close together.
The OP is right, something must be done. The most obvious solution is to delete all but one of the agents in Motsu and its surrounding systems (4 agents within 1 jump range iirc). No other faction has this (within hisec).
Or the OP could move to a better agent if he only runs one of them since all the agents are relatively crappy as they're in 0.8 or 0.9 systems.
You should have access to L2 or L3 agents in other caldari corps simply due to running storyline missions for other corps from time to time and your general caldari standing.
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Pantaloon McPants
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Posted - 2008.01.30 08:48:00 -
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haha. yeah you guys are right i was being a ****. was just mad about being blackscreened and constantly dropped that day i tried to run missions in motsu.
Am off searching for better command agent for caldari navy, as i have ton of points with them and prefer doing kill missions. Hopefully there are some out there as stated that wont send you into lowsec.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.01.30 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 30/01/2008 09:58:27
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.01.30 16:07:00 -
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Quote: Motsu is the only area in hisec space where there are so many L4 agents so close together.
But most of them must not be 'kill' agent types only. At least, on eve agents, there are about 3 'kill only' agents in the motus/saila/aramachi area.
Anyway I've stayed far away from there just based on the population and lag.
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Kuranta
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Posted - 2008.01.30 17:35:00 -
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Your Caldari faction standing will help you access better agents from other caldari corps right in the beginning. So even switching coprs won't be much of a problem.
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Agent Li
Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.30 17:39:00 -
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1. I'm Caldari. 2. I've flown Caldari missions in low sec. Generally do, because the lag is zero there. 3. Haven't been ganked by anyone who hunts down mission runners. Imagine that.
4. I'm flying Amarr missions now, to get some standing with certain stations (hey, I like to trade, etc). 5. Missions get boring. I now only do them to get standing where I need standing for another purpose. ------------------
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