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Grayclay
Caldari Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2008.01.30 07:46:00 -
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I've only been trading for a little while, and its going fairly well (love how you can make ISK when you don't even have an active subscription). So I've been fairly active browsing these forums. Well, in alot of the threads I see, it seems like people who are doing large-scale trading rarely have a whole lot of liquid ISK (relative to their total worth). So I'm wondering, depending on the intensity of the trading, about what percentage of my NAV (is that the right term) should be in liquid ISK?
Currently, according to EMMA: ISK in my wallet: 148mil ISK worth of all my assets on Jita prices: 391mil
I'm not sure how to tally up all my sell orders, aside from doing the long math.
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Stefan F
Enrave Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2008.01.30 08:32:00 -
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Depends on how fast your orders are running (and the relative amount of buy orders you have) For me at the moment its 8%
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Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.30 08:58:00 -
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Depends on the risks your willing to take based on your experience with orders. Personally, I start getting nervous if I don't have enough ISK to cover every single one of my buy orders (just in case something bizarre happens and they are actually all filled which is unlikely) - that's just my preferance.
Some would say that I am therefore not trading at full capacity - and I would agree, but that's how I like to play the game (little risk). You're looking for a sweat spot figure but I think it comes down to personal tastes, playstyle, risk aversion and just good old fashioned luck.
If you're making a profit, and getting better at it, then it's working. Remember if you DO go into negative ISK there are penalties and you're prevented from further trades I believe (not sure, never been negative).
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Confuzer
Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.30 09:59:00 -
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I spent all (and then I mean really all) every day... when I come back from work I have plenty to spent again ;) ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved. |
Danari
Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.30 12:24:00 -
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Depends on what your financial goals are. My portfolio is geared toward an income (pvp) profile, and as is normal with with a focus on income, my nav growth is lower but my liquidity is higher. So I don't have any problem at all with my 10+bil pvp fund sitting 'idle'. I've decided on the income I want and having enough capital to generate it I purposefully don't try to increase it.
Others are more focused on a growth (carebear) profile, which means dividends are reinvested and liquidity is very low. A growth profile is typical for someone who wants to reach a point where he doesn't have to work anymore but being how in eve there are no 'living expenses'... I'm mystified why the hell anyone does this. Yay I'm the richest person in Eve and I'm not going to tell anyone how I did it
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Trading Bunnz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.01.30 12:37:00 -
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Depends if you are doing Margin Trading or not. Most of the big time traders use margin trading to leverage their existing capital, which means while they may actually have lots of "liquid" isk, its partially covering existing market positions.
If you aren't using Margin Trading, and you are station trading, there's very little reason to keep any liquid isk around for market purposes. Particularly with a NAV at that level, its unlikely you will get zomg deals that absolutely, positively must be purchased right now. If you do, you can simply cancel some buy orders, retrieve the iskies and do the deal. Broker fee's will be lost, but if the other deal is worth it, who cares. :P
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Callisto Ares
Companion Cube Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.30 21:06:00 -
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If your sell orders have a high turnover due to moving large volumes you can pretty much calculate out exactly how much you can float safely on average. Once you do that you'll be at a point where you can keep the majority of your liquid isk actively trading on margin earning for you, rather than sitting around doing nothing in your wallet.
The only drawback to this of course is if you're one of those like me who's constantly always looking for that killer deal and you find you're cash is tied up at the moment and you're short the 1bil you need to snatch up an offer. :) |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.01.30 21:16:00 -
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I probably have one of the worst liquid isk compared to trading ISK of anyone here.
I can be lazy when it comes to investing spare ISK. At one point I had 60% of my total worth in liquid ISK. Lately I've been between 15-30% liquid. It's quite foolish to have so much liquid... but as I said, I'm lazy.
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Takimi Star
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Posted - 2008.01.31 07:27:00 -
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Right now I am trying for as much growth as possible so my liquid varies a lot. Both when I go to bed, and when I go to work my Liquid ISK can be as low as .025% (yes, 1/4 of a percent) of my total NAV.
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Confuzer
Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.31 10:22:00 -
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lol then my isk is 0.00000001% when I hit the sack :P
I invest but also buy new goodies for my personal PvP fleet. And when I'm drunk, I have a real shopping spree with my rest-liquids. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved. |
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Ghreymar LaNayeur
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Posted - 2008.01.31 10:30:00 -
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always wondered what people's answer to this question would be
only one of my trading accounts has done any training. he has around 1.5 B in buy orders, of which around half (margin trading 3) is on escrow. another char has 1.1 b in buy orders, and another has around the same. i usually like to keep half of the remaining money on hand at least to cover some of those buy orders, but more for throwing more on escrow if the market shifts upwards.
i was also thankful for all that extra cash when someone somewhere manipulated the jita price waaay up for a certain moon material today. thank you very much whoever that may have been, made more off that than i did in the last couple days put together
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.01.31 15:17:00 -
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I have 2 trade accounts now, 1 is a well trained alt,with margin trading. I don't look for high profit/low volume stock. Checking how much i spend on buy orders per day and how much I make from the sell orders i can easily work out how much liquid i need to keep to cover my margins. Currently i have 400mil in Escrow and need 1.2 bill (ish) to cover. From my last 3 months i have never bought more than 600mil of items in a day and usually sell around 300 mil. so as long as i'm above 300 mill liquid i'm not nervous.
This alt is currently training so no margin trading yet so 100% of my wallet gets placed in buy orders unless i'm short on slots but then i bid on contracts with the remainder so usually I always have as clos to 0.01Isk as i can get.
This will be how i role until i feel i have enough capital to fund my life in Eve with very minimal trading. A fool and his money are soon parted Better to die with honor than live with shame Diligence is the mother of good fortune Fools rush in where angels fear to tread Trust is the mother of deceit |
Mr Horizontal
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.31 15:44:00 -
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I'd say I keep ~15-20% liquid across all my alts.
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