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KD.Fluffy
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.15 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: KD.Fluffy on 15/02/2008 21:35:55
Originally by: Vanessa Vale
Originally by: Goumindong But stabbers are excellent heavy tacklers. They are essentially super-frigates. Bellicoses are similar, but either perma run the mwd or have a really huge buffer for tackling.
Is a super frigate a kind of under-performing cruiser? Cause I can slap some speed mods on the lows and end up with a slightly slower stabber with a damage bonus.
Originally by: Goumindong
Stabbers are cheap vagabonds and Bellicoses slightly different Stabbers.
Another under-performing cruiser then? Anyway, no, if it was a cheap vagabond it'd have a falloff bonus which it doesn't. And as such it can't kill **** because it'll get webbed in a heartbeat or do no dps at all.
It would seem that once a ship is useless it gets turned into a tackler.
Originally by: Goumindong
Yea, vagabonds are better, but they also require more skills, cost a whole bunch more, and are the "super-specialized" version of the ship.
Obviously a vagabond is not a tackler, it's a hit and run ship. Just like a stabber or the bellicose aren't tacklers. But yes, once our ships are pussified enough that's the only thing you can do.
you've gotta be kidding me. Minmatar arguably have the best cruisers in the game by far. Peoples whining never ceases to amaze me.
Quote: All things said, the agility bonus is probably not enough to make much of a difference. Doesn't have any impact vs droneships, doesn't have any impact vs missile spammers either, doesn't probably have any impact vs pulses either, and you'll end up webbed by tacklers anyway and you won't be able to leverage your ship bonus unlike your targets.
Since when has it been a problem when a well rounded gang takes someone down?.... YOu can't kill the missle spammer? use your agility to get away. can't kill the pulse? do the same thing. They have a tackler? Well you got killed by a gang, and thats fair.
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KD.Fluffy
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.15 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Rogerano
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Minmatar have speed. Thats their thing. So no, you cant have the best tanking and best ganking battleships. Just like gallente, amarr and caldari dont have the fastest hac or cs...
mmmm balance...
This statement is super-doopa-dumb and shows a complete lack of forethought. When has speed ever been a factor for battleships (after the nano-nerf)? Before you answer "nano-phoon" please try to recall that we are not discussing the phoon here. Tempest. Does. Not. Speed. Tank.
Yes minmatar have the fastest ships. That plays a huge factor with the smaller ships, and not so much with the bs. You don't get the best of both worlds. Sorry. Even with that said, minmatar bs are great
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Ariel Dawn
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.15 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Ariel Dawn
Originally by: Theron Gyrow
Originally by: Goumindong Range dictation.
How do you dictate range even in 1BS-vs-1BS in a Tempest now that overloading is available? Keep your MWD always overloaded and hope it won't blow up before the fight is over?
And of course, against any gang that includes at least one cruiser or smaller with a webber... Forget it.
Aye, this is very true as well. If they overload their MWD and your cycle just started, your overload can come 7+ seconds later than theirs will. Mobility advantages on the BS level are incredibly difficult to take advantage of, unlike BC size and below, mainly due to agility issues.
No its not difficult. So it doesnt work 100% of times. So sometimes your overheat MIGHT come a bit too late. Oh noes its not 100% fail proof so I cant play like this. Oh noes. Its not like you have to orbit another battleship, its just enough that you can be a tiny bit faster to keep the range. Seriously ariel are you even playing this game or no?
Dear Lyria.
Minmatar do not have the DPS output or Tank of other ships in the battleship size. The Minmatar advantage is mobility. The Tempest does not have this advantage, and has neither excellent DPS or tank. The Typhoon does more DPS and tanks better whilst being faster/more maneuverable. The Maelstrom does more DPS and tanks very very well. The Tempest has no role when faced with the other two BS choices.
Agility is vital to maintaining range. 'Not difficult' is actually impossible on the BS-scale due to Thermodynamics and any BS pilot worth their salt will have no difficulty catching a Tempest due to game mechanics, even if the Tempest is piloted by a perfect robot. The enemy BS starts speeding up, and the Minmatar pilot responds likewise. The poor agility/lag delay means a very tiny window of 1-2km (overloaded webs, remember) to not get caught. Oh, and if they are overload-MWDing to you, you're screwed if you hadn't overloaded your own MWD beforehand since they'll be going a good deal faster than you can, and have a head start on you going in the right direction.
An agility increase does not make it 100% 'fail proof'; but it helps define the Tempest as an alternative choice to other Minmatar Battleships and give it a role, matching the Minmatar design.
And I really don't understand your last comment. You have never flown a Minmatar ship and likely sit behind EVE Fitting Tool. All you are is "hurr amarr, zomg boost me nurf all other", so it is rather funny. Seriously lyria are you even breathing air or are you just some comedy-bot sent to amuse me with your idiocy?
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Neena Valdi
Geddonites
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Posted - 2008.02.15 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Dawn
Minmatar do not have the DPS output or Tank of other ships in the battleship size.
Right. Especially Maelstrom. Trully, worst tank and poor dps.
Nice attempt of trolling there Ariel.
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Ariel Dawn
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.15 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Neena Valdi
Originally by: Ariel Dawn
Minmatar do not have the DPS output or Tank of other ships in the battleship size.
Right. Especially Maelstrom. Trully, worst tank and poor dps.
Nice attempt of trolling there Ariel.
Hey, lets read one sentence and then reply to it instead of the entire post! I write "The Maelstrom does more DPS and tanks very very well" a whole 2 lines later. The Maelstrom is one of the slowest and least agile Battleships but has the DPS and Tank in exchange. And the rest of the post makes clear the intention of these comments towards the Tempest, which is neither DPS/Tank proficient.
Your inability to read does not make people trolls.
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KD.Fluffy
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.16 00:18:00 -
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Quote: Hey, lets read one sentence and then reply to it instead of the entire post! I write "The Maelstrom does more DPS and tanks very very well" a whole 2 lines later. The Maelstrom is one of the slowest and least agile Battleships but has the DPS and Tank in exchange. And the rest of the post makes clear the intention of these comments towards the Tempest, which is neither DPS/Tank proficient.
Your inability to read does not make people trolls.
no tier 2 battleship is dps and tank proficient save the raven.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2008.02.16 01:16:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy no tier 2 battleship is dps and tank proficient save the raven.
And no one is asking for a dps+tank proficient tier 2 minmatar battleship so whats your point? -------------------------
Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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Ariel Dawn
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.16 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy
Quote: Hey, lets read one sentence and then reply to it instead of the entire post! I write "The Maelstrom does more DPS and tanks very very well" a whole 2 lines later. The Maelstrom is one of the slowest and least agile Battleships but has the DPS and Tank in exchange. And the rest of the post makes clear the intention of these comments towards the Tempest, which is neither DPS/Tank proficient.
Your inability to read does not make people trolls.
no tier 2 battleship is dps and tank proficient save the raven.
First time I've seen someone say a Megathron isn't good at doing DPS or tanking. Or saying the Apoc has a bad tank.
More DPS for the Tempest would be nice, but agility is the only feasible solution considering what determines boosts/nerfs (forum presence! ).
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.02.16 02:18:00 -
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I'll just chime in here and say that the tempest needs help. I miss my weathervane. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!" |
Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.16 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Dawn
Minmatar do not have the DPS output or Tank of other ships in the battleship size.
I pretty much stopped reading here. Tempest is fine and I think you need more skill flying it. If you dont like minmatar ships maybe you should crosstrain? Also minmatar might be a bit too skill intense? Wait a few years and tempest will get better when your skills improve. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation |
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Maraleith
The Culture Holding Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.16 05:47:00 -
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Edited by: Maraleith on 16/02/2008 05:56:07
Originally by: KD.Fluffy the tempest is FINE as it is. your right when you say it may not be the best bs in game, but who cares. Eve is about ships being different. The tempest can hit very high dps, and be selective with damage types. Not sure how their is a problem with that.
Um, I look at your very nice megathron sig, your comment and . The Tempest's DPS does not match its companions (Tier 2 bs). A megathron will eat its lunch every day of the week (for the reasons explained above) and even if the Tempest did manage to lay down on it; you can at least tank some damage. The Tempest's tank is nowhere near as strong as the other tier 2 bs tanks.
All the Tempest has going for it is sniping and alphastrike; BOTH got nerfed badly once. With the advent of rigs and doomsday proof ships, alphastrike is nowhere near the edge it once was.
In addition, in order for the Tempest to snipe, virtually every spare slot needs to be used to boost sensors or tracking. This gives ships with optimal boosts a major advantage. It effectively gives them slots against the Tempest. This is why the pest needs some love; outdamaged, outtanked and outranged by its peers.
As for speed; even that got nerfed when it became too much an I win button didn't it? Nanophoon's died very quickly after that. Right now, the Tempest is obsolete, the Phoon is way too skill dependent for a Tier 1 bs and the Malestrom needs some tinkering as well.
We won't mention ewar; that will derail the thread but add in tracking disruptors, a better tank, a longer range and any Minmatar pilot would cry havoc too at the massive love being sent Amarr BS pilots way.
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Neena Valdi
Geddonites
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Posted - 2008.02.16 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Dawn
Originally by: KD.Fluffy
Quote: Hey, lets read one sentence and then reply to it instead of the entire post! I write "The Maelstrom does more DPS and tanks very very well" a whole 2 lines later. The Maelstrom is one of the slowest and least agile Battleships but has the DPS and Tank in exchange. And the rest of the post makes clear the intention of these comments towards the Tempest, which is neither DPS/Tank proficient.
Your inability to read does not make people trolls.
no tier 2 battleship is dps and tank proficient save the raven.
First time I've seen someone say a Megathron isn't good at doing DPS or tanking. Or saying the Apoc has a bad tank.
More DPS for the Tempest would be nice, but agility is the only feasible solution considering what determines boosts/nerfs (forum presence! ).
Sorry to say Ariel, but its you who fail to understand: battleships (read: ships) weren't designed to be all equal.
Tempest: huge alpha strike, capless guns Mega: much longer optimal and better tracking, a bit more dps, but much lower alpha strike and guns will eat your cap very fast.
Agility? Does it matter that much as most of the fleet fittings include nowadays tripple trimark rigs and a plate or even two?
Get over it seriously. You don't like tempest - fly something else. I see a lot of players using actively tempest and not crying about it on every corner.
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Neena Valdi
Geddonites
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Posted - 2008.02.16 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Maraleith Edited by: Maraleith on 16/02/2008 05:56:07
Originally by: KD.Fluffy the tempest is FINE as it is. your right when you say it may not be the best bs in game, but who cares. Eve is about ships being different. The tempest can hit very high dps, and be selective with damage types. Not sure how their is a problem with that.
Um, I look at your very nice megathron sig, your comment and . The Tempest's DPS does not match its companions (Tier 2 bs). A megathron will eat its lunch every day of the week (for the reasons explained above) and even if the Tempest did manage to lay down on it; you can at least tank some damage. The Tempest's tank is nowhere near as strong as the other tier 2 bs tanks.
All the Tempest has going for it is sniping and alphastrike; BOTH got nerfed badly once. With the advent of rigs and doomsday proof ships, alphastrike is nowhere near the edge it once was.
In addition, in order for the Tempest to snipe, virtually every spare slot needs to be used to boost sensors or tracking. This gives ships with optimal boosts a major advantage. It effectively gives them slots against the Tempest. This is why the pest needs some love; outdamaged, outtanked and outranged by its peers.
As for speed; even that got nerfed when it became too much an I win button didn't it? Nanophoon's died very quickly after that. Right now, the Tempest is obsolete, the Phoon is way too skill dependent for a Tier 1 bs and the Malestrom needs some tinkering as well.
We won't mention ewar; that will derail the thread but add in tracking disruptors, a better tank, a longer range and any Minmatar pilot would cry havoc too at the massive love being sent Amarr BS pilots way.
On close-range use Maelstrom. It outtanks and outganks most of t3 battleships. Sigh... another one who do not understand - ships aren't supposed to be equal and besides.. bringing 1 vs 1 as argument looks a bit newby, sorry to tell you that.
Forget about 1 vs 1 in EVE. Its a myth. Period.
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Maraleith
The Culture Holding Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.16 09:27:00 -
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Unfortunately I do understand; that's why I am commenting.
You can either do lots of damage over time or damage in one strike.
Alpha strike in the days of doomsday tanks is very much devalued. That's all the Tempest had going for it. Giving optimal bonuses to other races unbalances the game as it fundamentally shifts sniping engagements towards DPS, away from alphastrike,in a unbalanced manner.
The Amarr buff, while overdue and appropriate, only emphasises the fact that the Tempest has been made obsolete. I repeat, it is outdamaged (DPS), outtanked (having to use slots to achieve the ranges given to other ships with an optimal bonus) and with its speed/agility very vulnerable to anything that can tackle and do damage with heat.
The Tempest is on the verge of redundancy and this reflects sterile game design thinking and racial development. Simply saying upgrade to a Malestrom only emphasises the effect of tinkering. Follow the logic, I need a tier 3 ship to counter a change to a tier 2 ship. What does that mean for the tier 2 ship?
Personally, I would simply make adjustments to agility for the ships as minnie fleet philosophy is to be fast and fleeting, increase speed so that Minnie BS have at all tiers a clear speed superiority, enhance the tracking of minnie large guns (artillery and autocannons) to give some kind of slot comparability. I would also restore Tremor L to 100% range bonus and improve the alphastrike capability (more damage).
If some adjustment is not made, then watch the number of minnie ships used in fleets fall away precipitously. Does this matter? Well, expect plenty more nanominnie HACS cause they will be the only ship left worth anything to fly.
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Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2008.02.16 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy
you've gotta be kidding me. Minmatar arguably have the best cruisers in the game by far. Peoples whining never ceases to amaze me.
Do they? The only good cruiser minmatar have is the rupture.
Originally by: KD.Fluffy
Since when has it been a problem when a well rounded gang takes someone down?.... YOu can't kill the missle spammer? use your agility to get away. can't kill the pulse? do the same thing. They have a tackler? Well you got killed by a gang, and thats fair.
Are you aware that the agility bonus I was commenting on is referring to the one that was proposed for the tempest? Not to some hac?
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Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2008.02.16 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Neena Valdi
Agility? Does it matter that much as most of the fleet fittings include nowadays tripple trimark rigs and a plate or even two?
Precisely.
Originally by: Neena Valdi
Get over it seriously. You don't like tempest - fly something else. I see a lot of players using actively tempest and not crying about it on every corner.
And if you don't like your system there are some other 5000 to choose from. Lets remove drone bays from gallente. And once people complain you can tell them to fly something else.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2008.02.16 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Ariel Dawn
Minmatar do not have the DPS output or Tank of other ships in the battleship size.
I pretty much stopped reading here. Tempest is fine and I think you need more skill flying it. If you dont like minmatar ships maybe you should crosstrain? Also minmatar might be a bit too skill intense? Wait a few years and tempest will get better when your skills improve.
I could say the same about you and Amarr ships. Cross tank Gallente ships since thats what you want to turn them into. Here people are suggesting turning a ship with barely any extra speed (same mass+agility) as gallente ships into a more minmatar ship.
Originally by: Neena Valdi Sorry to say Ariel, but its you who fail to understand: battleships (read: ships) weren't designed to be all equal.
Tempest: huge alpha strike, capless guns Mega: much longer optimal and better tracking, a bit more dps, but much lower alpha strike and guns will eat your cap very fast.
Agility? Does it matter that much as most of the fleet fittings include nowadays tripple trimark rigs and a plate or even two?
Get over it seriously. You don't like tempest - fly something else. I see a lot of players using actively tempest and not crying about it on every corner.
You fail to understand, this change is for CLOSE RANGE... What you mean for snipers is, Maelstrom: huge alpha strike, capless guns, Tempest is just a cheaper weaker version. The agility/mass/speed boost people are talking about is to help CLOSE RANGE. I'm going to start calling for no amarr ships to get boosted, because I see pleanty of people flying them so I guess the people complaining are just wrong. -------------------------
Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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KD.Fluffy
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.16 19:30:00 -
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Quote: Um, I look at your very nice megathron sig, your comment and Laughing. The Tempest's DPS does not match its companions (Tier 2 bs). A megathron will eat its lunch every day of the week (for the reasons explained above) and even if the Tempest did manage to lay down on it; you can at least tank some damage. The Tempest's tank is nowhere near as strong as the other tier 2 bs tanks.
Yea, the megathron is supposed to be the king of dps in battleship class. If a tempest can out damage it, then there is something seriously wrong. I fail to see the problem there? Its also hideously slow, the tempest is a good deal quicker. FFS the tempest can hit 30km falloff with autocannons. Thats an extreme range advantage over the mega. Don't fix a ship thats not broken.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2008.02.16 20:17:00 -
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Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 16/02/2008 20:17:22
Originally by: KD.Fluffy Yea, the megathron is supposed to be the king of dps in battleship class. If a tempest can out damage it, then there is something seriously wrong. I fail to see the problem there? Its also hideously slow, the tempest is a good deal quicker. FFS the tempest can hit 30km falloff with autocannons. Thats an extreme range advantage over the mega. Don't fix a ship thats not broken.
Mega is hideously slow and Tempest is good deal quicker? Read this post and say that again.
Damage at 30km? little over 50% with barrage... 250 dps from turrets if lucky. Mega damage at 30km, little over 25% with null... 175 dps from turrets, at lower range the better it is for the Mega, nevermind with drones. Yeah... such an extreme advantage. -------------------------
Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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KD.Fluffy
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.16 20:40:00 -
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Quote: Damage at 30km? little over 50% with barrage... 250 dps from turrets if lucky. Mega damage at 30km, little over 25% with null... 175 dps from turrets, at lower range the better it is for the Mega, nevermind with drones. Yeah... such an extreme advantage.
Yep, so if you want the point blank range blaster boat, go for the mega. Otherwise you have your tempest which is a different ship.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2008.02.16 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Mila Prestoc on 16/02/2008 21:44:43
Originally by: KD.Fluffy
Quote: Damage at 30km? little over 50% with barrage... 250 dps from turrets if lucky. Mega damage at 30km, little over 25% with null... 175 dps from turrets, at lower range the better it is for the Mega, nevermind with drones. Yeah... such an extreme advantage.
Yep, so if you want the point blank range blaster boat, go for the mega. Otherwise you have your tempest which is a different ship.
I'd love to see what you say to Amarr pilots who say doing 600+ DPS at 40km isn't a real advantage if you see <100 dps more than a Mega at 30km as an advantage (less than half the lasers damage).
I like how you avoided the mistake you made about the speed. But hay lets just keep comenting on damage and tank when no one here is asking for more of either, they're asking for its speed/agility/mass to be that of a Minmatar ship and not practially the same as a Gallente ship. -------------------------
Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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KD.Fluffy
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.16 21:55:00 -
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Quote: I'd love to see what you say to Amarr pilots who say doing 600+ DPS at 40km isn't a real advantage if you see <100 dps more than a Mega at 30km as an advantage (less than half the lasers damage).
I like how you avoided the mistake you made about the speed. But hay lets just keep comenting on damage and tank when no one here is asking for more of either, they're asking for its speed/agility/mass to be that of a Minmatar ship and not practially the same as a Gallente ship.
I made no mistake, tempest is faster, plain and simple. And as far as tank and damage is concerned, the op is asking for more. Read his first post.
Quote: Tempest (and fleet pest) needs looking at.
It's nicheless, out 1v1 by the Hyperion, out sniped by everything, out ganked by the phoon. It's only used by pilots unable to let go of the nostalgia of massive wrecking hits - or ones too cheap to use the maelstrom.
With the up coming tracking disruptor changes, one of the tempests biggest arsenals (it's speed + fall off) in it's primary rolls is seriously under threat.
If I where to fix the tempest?
I'd give it 7 turrets, and remove the damage bonus for a 10% fall off bonus, keeping the 2 launcher slots with an appropriate grid increase.
I'd also introduce falloff scripts for tracking computers.
It follows on neatly to the Vargur bonuses and provides a ship and a fighting style different to anything existing currently.
Im still going to mantain that the tempest is fine. It can pack quite a punch, and while you may consider it inferior to the other races tier 2 I simply disagree with you. In fact its amazing that any minmatar pilot can complain that one of their ships isn't good enough when their whole ship line up is simply awesome.
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Goumindong
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.16 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Mega is hideously slow and Tempest is good deal quicker? Read this post and say that again.
Damage at 30km? little over 50% with barrage... 250 dps from turrets if lucky. Mega damage at 30km, little over 25% with null... 175 dps from turrets, at lower range the better it is for the Mega, nevermind with drones. Yeah... such an extreme advantage.
Only if you dont figure damage types.
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Mila Prestoc
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Posted - 2008.02.16 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: KD.Fluffy I made no mistake, tempest is faster, plain and simple. And as far as tank and damage is concerned, the op is asking for more. Read his first post.
Quote: Its also hideously slow, the tempest is a good deal quicker
100m/s with mwd is not "a good deal quicker" with the same mass/agility. Fly it, if you think Mega is "hidiously slow" the Pest is not that different. Fly a Amarr BS or the none gallente tier 3 BS and you'll see what a truely hidiously slow and unagile ship is like.
Read the full topic, most people looked at the options, and I think most don't just want the Pest to be a Gallente BS, hence they want it to be more like the Typhoon in agility/speed/mass.
Originally by: Goumindong Only if you dont figure damage types.
I didn't figure drones and stuff either, I was being basic in reply to the basic statement he made. Either way he's saying the ability to do (with just turrets avoiding drone flight time arguements) 100 DPS vs 60 DPS @ 30km (2 HS geddon does 160) on a 2xEANM+DC tank along with 100m/s with mwd makes the Tempest fine. -------------------------
Originally by: "Lord Violent" EvE is slowly becoming a game for the stupid, catered to by devs as they lack ability to kill/survive anything.
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Yargo Metash
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.16 23:42:00 -
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All for an agility/mass buff to the tempest. Seen a rather drastic drop of them in high sec mission hubs. Went from around 2 to 3 a day to almost none, although I see tons of Maels/Typhoons and other races battleships.
I wouldn't say the fleet pest needs a look though. It's a pricier Phoon in terms of skillpoint investment, although adding same agility/mass boost to it would be in order.
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Rockbox
Vidar Fierd Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.21 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Rockbox on 21/02/2008 18:37:39
Originally by: KD.Fluffy
Quote: Damage at 30km? little over 50% with barrage... 250 dps from turrets if lucky. Mega damage at 30km, little over 25% with null... 175 dps from turrets, at lower range the better it is for the Mega, nevermind with drones. Yeah... such an extreme advantage.
Yep, so if you want the point blank range blaster boat, go for the mega. Otherwise you have your tempest which is a different ship.
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Gort
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.02.22 20:07:00 -
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used to really enjoy my Tempest sniper when the call would go out for a LR BS fleet. I haven't flown it in awhile, (some changes have happened in the Eve universe since then!) but I doubt it can hold up its particular place of pride in the sniper fleet anymore, and that's really too bad. The Tempest group could lay down some first volley whoop-ass at range back in the day. I think that's pretty much gone, baby, gone, and I don't know if there's much left for the ship to advertise any more.
My 0.02,
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