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WarlockX
Amarr Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:38:00 -
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- Your own orders should show as a different color - Modify orders should have 3 buttons that set the price order automatically to 1) Regional Avg 2) lowest sell price -0.01 3) highest buy price +0.01
Modifying large numbers of orders wouldn't be such a pain then. ----------------------------------------------- "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation." |
Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.02.04 23:50:00 -
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i disagree with you wholeheartedly....
Why should the game be dumbed down for those who cant focus and get their pricing done quickly and efficently?
I can adjust 100 orders in 15min, and I normally do such 3-4 times a day. I have no problems doing this, why should I be punished for your inability to do it without CCP holding your hand?
You wanted the life of a trader, this is the price you must pay, or did you expect CCP to just hand you free isk without any time/effort/risk involved? --
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:15:00 -
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0.01 makes baby jesus cry
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WarlockX
Amarr Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: WarlockX on 05/02/2008 00:23:57
Originally by: Treelox i disagree with you wholeheartedly....
Why should the game be dumbed down for those who cant focus and get their pricing done quickly and efficently?
I can adjust 100 orders in 15min, and I normally do such 3-4 times a day. I have no problems doing this, why should I be punished for your inability to do it without CCP holding your hand?
You wanted the life of a trader, this is the price you must pay, or did you expect CCP to just hand you free isk without any time/effort/risk involved?
This is a silly argument, where does that logic end? Why not have me manually unload my cargo one by one with a crane, 15 minutes of work per item.
secondly, because it's not my job, that's what the stock broker's job is, that's why I'm paying him. Otherwise why is he charging me a % if I'm doing all the work
and thirdly, theres no skill involved here, just wasted time. ----------------------------------------------- "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation." |
Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:28:00 -
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Quote:
and thirdly, theres no skill involved here, just wasted time.
*bites his tounge*
All I'll say is if it's just "wasted time" then maybe you should revisit the idea of what "improvements" to the market are.
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WarlockX
Amarr Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
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and thirdly, theres no skill involved here, just wasted time.
*bites his tounge*
All I'll say is if it's just "wasted time" then maybe you should revisit the idea of what "improvements" to the market are.
lol, ok i dont want to get into an argument with everyone, i just think theres nothing added to the game by making ppl do this pointless stuff that should be one click ----------------------------------------------- "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation." |
Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:49:00 -
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The pointless stuff is the 0.01 isk bidding itself, not the fact there's no mechanism to make it easier.
Alright, I've said it now, *don's the flamesuit*.
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Oberon Theros
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Posted - 2008.02.05 00:55:00 -
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.. some people run missions others mine. you "waste time" clicking buttons *shrug* why should our eve careers already the easiest, least time consuming and most lucrative be made easier...
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WarlockX
Amarr Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Oberon Theros .. some people run missions others mine. you "waste time" clicking buttons *shrug* why should our eve careers already the easiest, least time consuming and most lucrative be made easier...
because this doesn't make it easier, stupid ppl will still lose money and smart ppl will still make money. a bunch of clueless ppl arent going to start trading if you implement this change and start making lots of money. I don't see what the big deal is, it doesn't dumb anything down. ----------------------------------------------- "I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation." |
Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.02.05 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: WarlockX
Originally by: Oberon Theros .. some people run missions others mine. you "waste time" clicking buttons *shrug* why should our eve careers already the easiest, least time consuming and most lucrative be made easier...
because this doesn't make it easier, stupid ppl will still lose money and smart ppl will still make money. a bunch of clueless ppl arent going to start trading if you implement this change and start making lots of money. I don't see what the big deal is, it doesn't dumb anything down.
It certainly seems that if it reduces the time it takes you to adjust your orders then it would make it easier for you.
The fact that you want to make it easy to 0.01 isk people makes your idea even more idiotic. If you cant afford the time to do your job/task properly, then maybe you should find a job/task better suited to your restraints and limitations? --
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Cpt Fina
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:17:00 -
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I want bottan that creates buyorder on every item in dat region with X% margin to de lowest sell-order!! Then I want bottan dat updates all orders with 0,01 isk unless it breaks dat margin!!
Wit dis systam every1 becomes rich and only have to prez 2 bottan!!1!
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:36:00 -
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Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 05/02/2008 02:38:45
Quote: because this doesn't make it easier, stupid ppl will still lose money and smart ppl will still make money. a bunch of clueless ppl arent going to start trading if you implement this change and start making lots of money. I don't see what the big deal is, it doesn't dumb anything down.
It dumbs down an already dumb system. 0.01 isk trading should be a powerful but risky technique used to secure sales at maximum profit. Instead it's a dumb mechanical action, and is the only one which makes sense to do on the market, which in turn completely breaks the possiblity of any pricing strategy which could be enjoyed on a local market.
Read the link (now locked due to age) in my sig for my full opinion, and the threads it references.
EDIT: To verify what this means, it means 0.01 isk bidding would not be so common as to warrant a button for it.
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Goldis
Caldari Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:38:00 -
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Those buttons would make a macro appear like, tomorrow, instantly equalizing sell and buy orders.
Also it'd be a good way to scam. ppl could set up buy orders for 1 unit of trit for say, 10k isk, and wait for the one careless buyer to change his millions of trit to +0.01.
Orders are for those that want to work for their isk. Quicksell in jita is the best feature possible for the rest. ----
De Gustibus et Coloribus non disputandum est.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:42:00 -
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If you want a really useful feature then allow people to modify multiple orders at once by either a set ISK amount or a set %.
For example, allow you to select as many orders as you want and then click the "By ISK" radial button, then type in 10,000 next to it. Hit OK. All selected orders update by 10,000 isk.
Example two, select multiple orders as before, click the "By Percent" radial button, type in 1, hit OK. All orders update by 1% upward. Type in a -1 instead and they all go down 1%.
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SonOfAGhost
Minmatar Munitions and Tactical Assets Repository Zzz
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: WarlockX
- Your own orders should show as a different color
Not a bad idea, but not particularly necessary either.
Originally by: WarlockX
- Modify orders should have 3 buttons that set the price order automatically to 1) Regional Avg 2) lowest sell price -0.01 3) highest buy price +0.01
Anybody that does any of those 3 things often is a failure at trading. Especially #1 as it means you're either buying to high or selling too low, it is NEVER a good price to use. 0.01 nonsense has been covered more than enough previously.
Perhaps it's time you considered a career less taxing on your capacity.
Originally by: CCP Explorer This is intended, to not clutter the overview with information that new players don't need in their first few hours.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.02.05 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle If you want a really useful feature then allow people to modify multiple orders at once by either a set ISK amount or a set %.
For example, allow you to select as many orders as you want and then click the "By ISK" radial button, then type in 10,000 next to it. Hit OK. All selected orders update by 10,000 isk.
Example two, select multiple orders as before, click the "By Percent" radial button, type in 1, hit OK. All orders update by 1% upward. Type in a -1 instead and they all go down 1%.
Now this is a far better idea, ofc it sounds like it would be too much work for the OP. Since he would have to take off his shoes to count past 10, while figuring out what a percentge point is on the base price.
An intresting idea Shadarle, maybe a bit too "powerful", due to the multiple orders function, but intresting none the less. --
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Vested Interest
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:09:00 -
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/signed sort of
actually been asking for a number of these things in this thread in features:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=668020
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Shadarle If you want a really useful feature then allow people to modify multiple orders at once by either a set ISK amount or a set %.
For example, allow you to select as many orders as you want and then click the "By ISK" radial button, then type in 10,000 next to it. Hit OK. All selected orders update by 10,000 isk.
Example two, select multiple orders as before, click the "By Percent" radial button, type in 1, hit OK. All orders update by 1% upward. Type in a -1 instead and they all go down 1%.
Now this is a far better idea, ofc it sounds like it would be too much work for the OP. Since he would have to take off his shoes to count past 10, while figuring out what a percentge point is on the base price.
An intresting idea Shadarle, maybe a bit too "powerful", due to the multiple orders function, but intresting none the less.
I've brought this up in the past a few times, so far I don't believe I've seen one negative post in regards to it either. Frankly it seems perfect to me though I'm open to people telling me why it isn't perfect.
Honestly what it would help with is people who trade in groups of similar items with similar prices in each group. You could then boost all of them at once.
It would still take thought as to how much and if by ISK or by %. I would imagine it would speed up price normalization a little bit but not all that much.
Honestly I could come up with 20 changes that 90% of the people here would agree with, maybe more than 90%. Unfortunately the devs don't seem to like helping us market people.
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Raskor
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:48:00 -
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I would like to see an enhancement where when you are about to place an order, you can interface into the map to see what coverage that price would give you.
For example, suppose I mean to place a buy order for trit. I set the buy order price to 2.00 and range 3 jumps. Now I click a button and the map is opened and the systems are colored:
One color to indicate systems were I have partial coverage (1 or more stations). One color to indicate systems were I have complete coverage (all stations). One color to indicate systems with no coverage.
Also, a numerical representation. For example, my 2.00 price would provide coverage to 7 out of 30 stations.
Then you could change the price or range (if a new order) and see what happens.
For simplicity, it would ignore any minimum volume on yours and other orders.
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Raskor
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:51:00 -
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Another thing I would like to see, or even an alternate to the above.
Allow me to set a focus when browsing the market. Instead of always coloring prices relative to where I am currently at, allow me to see the market as if I was in another system.
For example, suppose I want to setup a buy order, and I care most about picking up sales in system X. Sure, I can look for region wide orders and orders in that system but what about other multi system orders that overlap that system. Let me set my focus to that system and display the market as if I was there.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Raskor I would like to see an enhancement where when you are about to place an order, you can interface into the map to see what coverage that price would give you.
I guess im special, because by actually knowing my region and looking at the market, I know this faster than the map can open.
Might I suggest learning your region, and if it proves to difficult to do, print out the ombey map for that region, laminate it, and use a grease pencil. Still faster than the map opens, IMO. --
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.02.05 03:55:00 -
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Quote: print out the ombey map
The Ombey Map?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.02.05 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox print out the ombey map for that region, laminate it, and use a grease pencil.
LOL, I use document protectors. More disposable that way.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.02.05 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Quote: print out the ombey map
The Ombey Map?
Yes, the 2d maps done by Ombey for the last +2years. They are a great resource for everything you do in eve, far better than using the ingame map for 99.99% of what you might need a map for.
Maybe I am a bit extreme, but I have printed them all out on B4 paper and laminated them, for grease pencil use. Make sure to send Ombey some isk loving if you use and enjoy his maps, IMO the man deserves it.
2d Evemaps, by Ombey, Eve-o thread
Ombey's Website
.PDF of the map from his site Save it to your hard drive, and enjoy.
Or if you prefer the same file from EveFiles --
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Trading Bunnz
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.05 04:47:00 -
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Have you seen the new Sisi love for the market yet? Be not too hasty to say we are ignored... Folders, filtering of orders, toggles for lowsec/highsec, there is some real love coming our way. If you haven't yet checked it out, do so!
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2008.02.05 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
or did you expect CCP to just hand you free isk without any time/effort/risk involved?
.....yes.......
/wardec treelox
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K'dararle
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Posted - 2008.02.05 05:03:00 -
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can we have a blow up the nasty ship that is attacking me button too?
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.02.05 05:07:00 -
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Problem with the OP's idea, is that if implemented it wouldn't cut down on your order modifying time but increase it. Suddenly everyone is using this simple order management ability and you now need to modify your orders every 8 minutes instead of every 30 minutes.
I think it's a bad idea for that reason specifically, and I think trading needs this kind of thing. Having said that, I really hope that this whole walking in stations thing opens up the social aspect of trade. Stops the market from being a faceless *****. Allows you to trade with people you like, for people to come to you for sales as they know your name rather than the regular joe blow who is 0.03 isk undercutting you.
Ultimately, the ability to 'brand' your items somehow. I have no idea how this could work without looking crap but rigs kinda already have this sort of branding. Extend that to modules/ships. Ability to modify your production ships. IE to reduce max speed on your ship in order to allow a higher cargohold etc. Obviously with the static market as it is now it would be impossible to add 100 variations to every ship in game, plus needing to balance it would be insane. Contracts are nowhere near sufficient to handle this kind of thing but maybe this walking in stations thing could work.
I would suggest it be chance based variations as well. ie You have your T1 shield booster (or even t2). You need to engineer it and can choose what kind of engineering you want to occur. (shield boost/cpu/cap/duration/grid) etc etc. You choose which of those you want to modify and attempt the engineering job. You have the chance of designing a blueprint with that benefit (or even just an end built model) but also with drawbacks. The drawbacks should be varied so you as a builder can't predict precisely what you will get.
Anyway I can't think of anything that can optimise the production and trade aspect of the game beyond this. It wouldn't be a 10 minute wonder, it wouldn't create a 1 ship wonder. It would be a blanket addition across every module and ship in the game, adding a huge level of new functionality to the game. Sure you could make it T3 with special skill requirements (Modified Spaceship Command L4 (rank 12) with prereq of adv space command 4/5.
Man I just totally derailed this thread, but goddamn I want somethin like the above.
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Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.02.05 07:23:00 -
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Wonder where Mintal went to? I would have thought he would have pounced all over this thread and banished it to "Features and Ideas" ?!?
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Salisuka
Caldari Intex Mechanics
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Posted - 2008.02.05 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun Wonder where Mintal went to? I would have thought he would have pounced all over this thread and banished it to "Features and Ideas" ?!?
Taikun
It probably hasn't been moved because it just doesn't sound like a good idea for a number of reasons mentioned above.
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