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Blaise Savion
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Posted - 2008.02.05 06:32:00 -
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So I finally convinced my brother to try eve. It was very hard because he's a hardcore WOW player but I'm determined to show him the light.
So I have about 3 mil SP and training for Caldari support ships such as the Falcon but now with him around I may rethink that. We made his character a few hours ago.
We may exclusively duo so I've been trying to think about some synergies between ships. He is also a bit anxious to get into pvp asap so I was thinking we should just hop into some Rifters and look for some fights. But I was also thinking more long-term and what ships mesh really well together. I'm also looking for synergies with races as a whole not just a ship by ship basis.
Should we just act like we're two solo pilots with a standard balance of tackle/tank/dps? Or is there something more interesting we should shoot for like a Scimitar and a Vagabond ?
If you've experienced any good duos in the past I'd love to hear it. Also, any tricks and/or tips would be appreciated.
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Midnight Halo
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Posted - 2008.02.05 06:53:00 -
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Huginn and Arazu, both with dampeners. With the double web and scramblers, the target isn't going anywhere or hitting anything.
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ThaDollaGenerale
The Bloody Red Souls
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Posted - 2008.02.05 07:01:00 -
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Falcon/ Deimos
Falcon/Hyperion
Falcon for ECM cover and blaster boat for raging gank.
or
Falcon/torp raven with TP drones
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Julius Romanus
Amarr Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.05 07:06:00 -
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Torp Raven, Huggin Falcon, anything that can kill. Cerb, Vaga Anything Caldari, Any interceptor
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.02.05 07:37:00 -
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two super plated gank abaddons....
short of max turret disrupting curses not much is gonna hurt that duo before dieing :p
ohh and for the real answer arazu/nyx that is just all kinds of fun
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sh4rp ov3rvolt
Hikage Corporation Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.05 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Shardrael ohh and for the real answer arazu/nyx that is just all kinds of fun
a short term target
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2008.02.05 10:14:00 -
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Plated gank Abaddon and a Guardian. Those two were mad for each other.
ECCM them up and go to town :D
Goes for all BS/Logistics combos I think, but Amarr boats just look a lot cooler.
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Psycho Death
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Posted - 2008.02.05 13:47:00 -
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Neutron Megathron with an oneiros.
Sit the oneiros out at 70km and it's insane.
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Endless Subversion
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Posted - 2008.02.05 14:12:00 -
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The problem with all the above answers are that they ignore the OP's situation. He and his brother are both very new and very low SP but want to jump right into PvP.
Short Term: It's possible to get limited pvp with frigs and cruisers. The punisher and the rifter shine as low sp pvp frigs. The drone boat cruisers, vexors and arbitrators are pretty good low skill point cruisers. Stay away from the thorax and the rupture because although both are pretty good for tech I cruisers, they're pretty rubbish at low levels of SP. I'd suggest you both keep to armor tankers for the time being. For PvP, especially when you have few pilots in your gang, mid slots are important for holding the enemy while you shoot them and minimizing their threat to you. Armor tanking uses your low slots, leaving your mids free.
Most of ship decisions you make at this point aren't going to impact your later character development very much. It isn't a big deal to get frig 4 and cruiser 4 in amarr and then later decide that you really want to play gallente. They may seem like significant time investments, but once you get used to the eve skill system you'll see they really aren't. However, obviously you want to minimize wasting traintime and skillpoints but don't be frightened of 'gimping' you character by experimenting a bit. Projectile weapons and missile based weapons are pretty newby friendly. While they don't do loads of dps they also don't use cap and hit at range. Basic drone skills are also a quick train and add significant amounts of DPS to a new player's ship. Also, just because a ship is of one race doesn't mean it has to use that race's weapon systems. It's pretty standard practice to throw projectile weapons on a punisher or even an arbitrator despite them being amarr. Read the ship bonuses and remember that laser capacitor usage doesn't favor using lasers any more than projetiles.
Eve PvP has a bit of a learning curve and the interface is really unforgiving. Expect losses and get him expecting losses. Make it clear that throughout his career in Eve he will lose many, many ships and that it's just part of the game. There isn't much that two frigs or cruisers can fit that really support eachother. You will both want warp disruptors and a mwd on both of your ships. Any
Mid Term: Unless you're wealthy enough to fund him and you, you're going to want to think about an ISK income. Isk is easy come, easy go in Eve but the startup capital can seem a lot for newer players. PvP is often an ISK sink rather than a ISK source until you really figure it out and can go after the higher prfoit targtes. Ratting in anything besides 0.0 is worthless with terrible returns on the time investment and being an open invitation to being ganked in low sec. Missions can provide some limited income and are pretty newbee friendly. They also have the advantage of repairing your sec status and allowing your brother to practice some of the very basics of piloting. However, they're also beyond belief boring. Unfortunately, until you get to a point where you're making decent ISK from pvping all your ISK generating options are boring.
0.0 ratting will take a number of basic skills that a very new player won't have available to them for a few weeks/months of training, so don't rush him out there too early as he will have few play options. Try to get him to train some learning skills, the earlier they are trained the quicker they pay their train time back, it's often hard for new players to motivate to do that because of how long skills in eve seem to take compared to other MMOs and the lack of immediately obvious bonuses from learning skills.
Long Term: There are loads of PvP Duos that work great together, but it's really going to depend on what y'all want to do and where you want to do it at. High sec, low sec and 0.0 pvp all favor very different styles of ships, fitting and skills.
I'll try to watch this thread. Cheers and gl! Fix Self Destruct & Missions |
Nova Blackadder
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Posted - 2008.02.05 17:36:00 -
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Since you mention long term goals I would point you to the link below from Eve Pirate.
Here is an account of an individuals private war he waged using a Rapier and Pilgrim. http://www.eve-pirate.com/index.php?/archives/912-My-own-personal-campaign-in-the-south..html
Happy reading and good luck to both of you. NB
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Blaise Savion
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Posted - 2008.02.06 03:11:00 -
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Thanks for the replies everyone. I think I'll point him down the Minmatar path and I'll continue down my Caldari path.
Definately open to more suggestions though.
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Raspp
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Posted - 2008.02.06 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: Blaise Savion Thanks for the replies everyone. I think I'll point him down the Minmatar path and I'll continue down my Caldari path.
Definately open to more suggestions though.
it shouldnt take long for him to get in the seat of an interceptor, and with your 3+mil likewise to seat a sniping gank BS(raven/lolrokh),
his tank will be speed, yours will be distance,
gl and have fun,
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Julius Romanus
Blood Corsair's Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.06 05:33:00 -
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Edited by: Julius Romanus on 06/02/2008 05:33:14
Originally by: Raspp
Originally by: Blaise Savion Thanks for the replies everyone. I think I'll point him down the Minmatar path and I'll continue down my Caldari path.
Definately open to more suggestions though.
it shouldnt take long for him to get in the seat of an interceptor, and with your 3+mil likewise to seat a sniping gank BS(raven/lolrokh),
his tank will be speed, yours will be distance,
gl and have fun,
For a shorter term goal he'd be better with either a cara, a drake, the new ferox(if his gunnery is better than missles lol), or a manti for the range tanked duo sniper.
I say that because no matter what the plan is taking a bs out with such few SP is a mistake. Better to use something with lower reqs, and with a better align time for when things go wrong.
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Sinnbad Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.02.06 05:50:00 -
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two words: Rapier and Arazu (actually that is more like 3 ... damn I hate being sober!)
If you cant win, at least you can run like a girl... S&M |
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