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Trojanman190
Yultani Advanced Research and Reproduction
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Posted - 2008.02.06 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: VeiledFlare Edited by: VeiledFlare on 06/02/2008 03:23:00 For solo trips from empire to 0.0, or while in 0.0 but traveling into potentially hostile territory, I use a Wolf or Harpy. The Wolf for Sansha, and Angels. Harpy for Serpenti and Guristas. Both can kill faction spawns easily. People who are able to fly HACs I know favour the Deimos, Ishtar and Vagabond.
Vagabond? Plows through more ammo than the deimos, will do less damage, and wont tank as well. If you use a vagabond for ratting its because you REALLY enjoy flying the ship, not because you want to make money fast.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.02.06 06:04:00 -
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Vagabond with two LSE II's and a tracking disruptor can pretty much chain 1.8 mil Sansha and BR indefinitely. But yes, it blows through ammo really quick.
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Aprudena Gist
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.06 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar For Angels, I found the Sac to be perfect. Shieldtanked with a Domination med booster and just one T2 Invul (other meds were MWD and I forgot what), it could tank triple Seras (and of course any lesser spawns) and dish out 500+ dps, while also being pretty fast in aligning (even had a spare low for an istab I think) and having a huge cargohold for ammo and the occasional good loot item.
shield tank a sac yea that's totally the right thing to do.
what it really comes down to it depends on what your ratting and if you want to spend money on ammo.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.02.06 06:25:00 -
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If all our wanting to do is rat in 0.0 without gatecamp issues then train for a Pilgrim.
High: 3x heavy pulse 1x cov ops cloak. Drop a pulse for a salvager if desired. Med: 1x 10nm mwd 1x Invul field 1x drone speed mod 2x large extender Low: 3x heatsink 2x pds Drone: 10x med rat specific 10x warrior II Rig: Not really needed but if you want go for some resist thats effective vs your rats of choice.
No ammo needed tanks triple bs spawns nicely as long as you pop the support first and kills even the toughest bs quickly if your drone skills are top notch. Plus if you know how then even bubbled gates with drone spamming mwd cruisers and intys won't stop you from getting to the next system. Ask the guys out in the branch/venal area how hard it is to catch my Pilgrims. ^^
Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english.
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Ping Li
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Posted - 2008.02.06 06:34:00 -
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Edited by: Ping Li on 06/02/2008 06:34:46
Originally by: Reven Darklight
Originally by: codex09
armor tank reasonably well.
*cough* shield tank *cough*
You will be surprised how well an armor tanked Raven works in 0.0, it's good enough for ratting and you keep your midslots free for EW-mods in case you encounter enemies.
atm i usually fly a Drake though. Very cheap and it can easily tank and kill any spawn.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.06 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: ShopperDuck ChopperRock Edited by: ShopperDuck ChopperRock on 05/02/2008 21:29:32 I was wondering which ship is the best for a solotrip to 0.0.
I need something to be able to tank a trible bs-spawn, and yet fast/agile enough to travel tru 0.0 without the big risk of getting ganked. (all ships can be caught, i know)
Is it a recon or hac or ? what is the best solo-trip-to-0.0-ship?
I'm will hazard a guess and say that you want to squat in someones back yard and encounter as few of the local residents as possible while making yourself filthy rich. If this is correct you want something that does not use ammo and isn't made of nerf. Drone ships and most Amarr ships satisfy both conditions. Knock yourself out.
The cheque will be in the mail.
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Ace Frehley
Minmatar Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.06 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon
Originally by: The Slayer Domi, hands down.
Highs : 2 x Heavy Diminishing Nos (They don't get much cap but every little helps) 2 x Tractor Beams 2 x Salvagers (Why have guns on a drone boat)
Meds : 1 x Quad Lif Booster Rockets (Mwd to get in range) 4 x Cap Recharger II
Lows :
2 x Large Armor Rep II 2 x Energized Adaptive II 1 x Damage Control II 1 x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten Plates
Can't perma run the tank but who needs to. Rats never get me past about 25% armor even if I leave the armor reps off. Use T2 heavy drones always.
Point 1.... Use the gun to grab aggro, so you don't have to wait ages for the entire spawn to aggro you instead of popping your drones. If you REALLY don't want to fit a gun, fit a medium armor repper to heal any drone armor damage.
Point 2... rats only deal 2 damage types... ditch the 1 EAMN II and the plate in favour of 2 type-specific hardeners (Guristas shoot kin and therm, Blood Raiders shoot EM and Therm, etc).
Point 3... a plate is not like a shield extender. If you cannot be stable with 7k armor... you won't be stable with 10k armor.
Point 4... The setup I posted above works for regular ratting, cosmic anomolies, complexes and solo level 4 missions. It may not be the prototypical Domi setup... but I've been flying that same setup for over 2 years, and I've never lost a Domi to regular, complex or mission rats. Other Pilots who jump in and pop me when ratting, sure... but never to rats.
He is a goon, and if you know where goons rat, those rats does more then 2 type of damage, so his low-slot fits isent all off-side. (hint: angels do all type of damage)
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Ovno ConSyquence
Amarr Free Mercenaries Union FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2008.02.06 08:35:00 -
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Personnally I use an af usually an enyo or a retribution, the dps is a little low and you really need to manage you transversals and keep your speed up but it can easily kill a triple 1.5, and with skill a tripple 1.8, just don't go after the low value cruiser and dessy spawn, cus they'll rip you a new one.
Oh and when you are working on a 1.5+ it takes so long to kill them that it starts chaining nicely
The real benefit though is the ease of running and hiding from enemys and also if you do get caught your only down 10-20mil
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Titos Polo
Senseless Violence
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Posted - 2008.02.06 08:45:00 -
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Deimos
Ratting in a Deimos is like driving a Porsche
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HenkieBoy
Enrave Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2008.02.06 09:46:00 -
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Cyclone, just because its fun to rat with it
high: 650mm arties heavy missile launcher salvager tractorbeam (only if you hate to fly towards the wrecks) meds: shield hardners (based on the type of dmg the rats do it that area) shield booster low: dmg control trackingspeed + dmg modifier mod 2x pdu
This setup is alot of fun to rat with
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Lord Zoran
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.02.06 10:32:00 -
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a myrm, proph or harbinger come to mind as this saves a lot of time messing around with ammo
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E Vile
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.02.06 11:16:00 -
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I enjoy ratting in my Passive shield Nighthawk with 2 BCU down low. It's got a good cargo bay, and good against all size npc.
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Laila Eldgorn
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Posted - 2008.02.06 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ping Li Edited by: Ping Li on 06/02/2008 06:34:46
Originally by: Reven Darklight
Originally by: codex09
armor tank reasonably well.
*cough* shield tank *cough*
You will be surprised how well an armor tanked Raven works in 0.0, it's good enough for ratting and you keep your midslots free for EW-mods in case you encounter enemies.
atm i usually fly a Drake though. Very cheap and it can easily tank and kill any spawn.
Point of ratting in battleship is that they kill rats a lot faster, less time spend on killing equals to more isk generated in hour. Now if you want to have even half decent armor tank on raven you cannot fit ballistic control units. You want to have at least 2 of them to make any decent damage with cruise missiles. On the other hand you can use damage rigs, but then you have to use mids for capacitor, because you don't want to bother carrying cap boosters.
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Miss Rumpelstilzchen
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.02.06 11:48:00 -
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Edited by: Miss Rumpelstilzchen on 06/02/2008 11:48:19 use the Dominix .. best ship i see for ratting/pvp, u only need to change the salvager/tractor`s and some drones for pvp and if u have good support skills (cap recharge)use this setup:
[Dominix, New Setup 1] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Rate spec Activ hardener Rate spec Activ hardener Rate spec Activ hardener Capacitor Power Relay II Large Armor Repairer II Large Armor Repairer II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron <-- for aggro 100MN MicroWarpdrive II
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Salvager I Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I Small Tractor Beam I
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Ogre II x5 <- standart pvp drones Hornet EC-300 x5 <-- for intys or something Hobgoblin II x5 <-- also for inty if he is slow enought xd Hammerhead II x5 Rate Spec Heavy Drones x5 Heavy Armor Maintenance Bot I x1 <-- for repp your drones
if u can nos a BS or 2 u can perm run the 2 Large repper
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Xanos Blackpaw
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.02.06 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Xanos Blackpaw on 06/02/2008 12:00:16 i usaly use a retribution or an aribitrator for 0.0 ratting
retri fit:
4 T2 med pulses 1 cheap cloak for SSing when there is a hostile gang moveing through 1AB 1 small T2 rep 1 therm resist 1 HS 2 CPR
its a good estup but with the cloak you wont be able to salvage and salvage is very good isk on sanshas...so here is ship no: 2...the arby
arby
3 salvagers 1 cheap cloak 1 AB 3 CR T2 1 med rep 2 resist 1 CPR 15 HH 1s can kill any spawn and salvage the remains but is alittle slower than the retri...
remember to anchor a giant secure can on one of your safe spots. that way you dont need do move to the station that can be several jumps away so often...one trip a week with an indy is enough unless you pick up random T1 crap...stick to named and one can will be plenty for a week...
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Magazaki
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Posted - 2008.02.06 13:59:00 -
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So you basically want to:
1)Maximize damage so you make more money (This would imply battleship, and remove frigs) 2)Have enough of a tank for the rats (This kills all T1 ships but BS and BC) 3)Be mobile so you don't get killed by a lone ship and are able to escape from a gang 4)Have a reasonable cargo space for loot 5)Have at least reasonable ammo capacity so you don't go back and forth all the time
Scratch Frigs, destroyers, inties, dictors, logistics and indies as they don't satisft anything but 3 and sometimes 5
Battleships and capships would be good but scratch these because they don' satisfy 3
Recons and HIC's generally do less damage than HACS (not satisfying 1) while the EW and the disruption capability are not needed for your purpose.
That leaves us with Assault ships, Battlecruisers, Hacs and Command ships
Fleet command ships tank more than you need and shoot less than you need, so it's down to Assault ships, Battlecruisers, Hacs and Field Command ships
At that point, assault ships should be avoided because of 1 and 4 (damage could be better, cargo could be better, although speed is nice) and they may get into problems when a commander is followed by too many small escorts.
So it's BC, HAC or Command ship. Scratch the Minmatar ships because they either have more range than you need, or less damage than you would like.
So, at that point, if you can fly a gunship that does the correct damage type, go for that. For Guristas/Serpentis, Deimos and Beagle are first choice, leaning towards deimos. Brutix can work as well but has no inherent advantage to the other two. For Sansha/Blood raiders, the Harbinger, Zealot and Absolution are fine. If you don't fly a gunship with the correct damage type for the rats you hunt, use one of Ceberus, Nighthawk, Drake, Sacrilege, Myrmidon, Ishtar, Astarte.
Good enough? The strongest choice is of course command ships, but they are the most expensive too. I feel that a HAC must be your best choice. But really, all of these would work. -----sig-----
Originally by: Kaemonn:Signature
Originally by: kieron: off duty You dont have to swallow!
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Mangus Thermopyle
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.02.06 14:14:00 -
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Best ship for ratting is generally the ship with most effective DPS against the rats you are after. And if you want to loot, nothing will beat a marauder, although it will be expensive to be ganked.
For gurista/serpenties 0.0, I really liked the Deimos though (the deimos after the change wont be as good). It had good DPS, good tank and good speed with an mwd, and when the rat was dead you where almost in loot range.
One thing to consider when ratting is align and warp speed. Often you spend more than half your time warping around, which means a ship faster to align and faster to warp will be preferable.
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xHUN73R
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Posted - 2008.02.06 15:10:00 -
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If we are talking about all-out ratting ship, which works well against every type of rats ships like Ishtar, nighthawk and dominix are at the bottom, to be hounest.
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Asherana
Geddonites
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Posted - 2008.02.06 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Glassback Ishtar.
G.
This.
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Polly Prissypantz
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Posted - 2008.02.06 15:26:00 -
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I'm going to assume none of you have ever ratted in a Marauder. Warp, shoot, loot. Don't even bother moving. A bit slow on the warps as with any BS, though.
Looks pretty on a lossmail, too.
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Asherana
Geddonites
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Posted - 2008.02.06 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle Best ship for ratting is generally the ship with most effective DPS against the rats you are after. And if you want to loot, nothing will beat a marauder, although it will be expensive to be ganked.
There is no need in 'most effective DPS' if you spend more time on aligning/warping between belts, approaching the rats and wrecks.
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xHUN73R
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Posted - 2008.02.06 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Asherana
There is no need in 'most effective DPS' if you spend more time on aligning/warping between belts, approaching the rats and wrecks.
This. And taking into account the max velocity of heavy drones, which dominix is using its probably the worst ratting ship... Ishtar has the same problem, but it alignes and warps a lot faster, so it a bit better. The nighthawk have the problem of defenders, cuz there are quite a few rat battleships which use them.
Don't forget that ratting in 0.0 is dangerous and when the enemy ceptor jumps in you should get out of the belts realy fast. I personaly love the neutron mega. It has so much brutal DPS that doesn't need much of a tank, it just vaporaizes battleships. But there is still the approach/align problem.
So its very hard to tell which ship is best for 0.0 ratting. Every one of the has pros and cons. Instead may be the deimos
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Neena Valdi
Geddonites
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Posted - 2008.02.06 19:18:00 -
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In Ishtar case the drone travel time is neglectible if properly fitted. You spend time only to initially approach the rats (fast with MWD or even AB), start dpsing with blasters until you have full aggro, launch drones to unleash the full firepower. Works wonders.
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Neena Valdi
Geddonites
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Posted - 2008.02.06 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: xHUN73R
Don't forget that ratting in 0.0 is dangerous and when the enemy ceptor jumps in you should get out of the belts realy fast. I personaly love the neutron mega. It has so much brutal DPS that doesn't need much of a tank, it just vaporaizes battleships. But there is still the approach/align problem.
Blaster mega is no no variant for ratting. It has like 1km/s speed with MWD and very slow on accelerating. Rail mega with sentry drones might work, but you will need 2nd account to loot/salvage wrecks and besides rail dominix with rig for sentry drones and t2 sentry drones will most likely outdps such megathron.
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Slayton Ford
STK Scientific Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.06 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Slayton Ford on 06/02/2008 19:54:51
Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 06/02/2008 06:12:47 Vagabond with two LSE II's and a tracking disruptor can pretty much chain 1.8 mil Sansha and BR indefinitely. But yes, it blows through ammo really quick. Also you don't need a MWD and spend all your time manually controlling a Vaga in PvE. Orbiting with a burner and the right low slot mods still keeps you well above 1200 m/s (it's been about two months since I last did this so I forget the exact speed.)
For ratting Sanshas, a Munnin is better then a Vagabond.
With my skills (t2 guns, l4/5 related), a Munnin set up for ratting does 381 DPS. This is w/ 5x 425 ACs, 2 Gyros, armor tanked with the 2 other high slots used for tractor and salvager. A Vaga w/ 3 Gyros and 5x 220 ACs does 376 DPS. This doesnt allow for both a tractor and salvager though. If I was ratting Bloods which like to nos though, I'd runn a passive LSE tanked Vaga over a Munnin.
But a Typhoon works better then either hacs. Using 4x Dual 650s, Arb Seige, and 5x Ogres, your doing over 600 DPS (1 Gryo, 1 BCU).
As to ammo, if you buy a EMP M bpo, wreck loot will keep give you plenty of minerals for ammo. --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer... |
joshmorris
Silver Snake Enterprise SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.06 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon I love my ratting Dominix... simply because it is the drone machine.
I am able to perma-run my tank while my fighters take care of the rats... rats of any size, might I add.
Highs: 2x NOS 1x 425mm Rail (for getting aggro) Drone Link Augmentor Tractor and salvager
Meds: 100mn AB Target Painter (helps drone damage.... really!) 2x Cap Rechargers Drone Navigation Computer (speed boost for drones)
Lows: Large Armor Rep Medium Armor Rep "xxx" Armor Hardner (active) "yyy" Armor Hardner (active) Damage Control Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay
You can fit rigs for armor rep or salvage help if you want...
I perma run my medium... only occasionally pulsing the large. With the Dominix's drone bonus, you only need to carry 100 rounds for the occasional railgun shot.
Remember, keep a repper drone or 2 to rep any drones that may take damage.
Highs: Moar guns 1x 425mm Rail (for getting aggro) Drone Link Augmentor Tractor and salvager
Meds: 100 mwd (ab sux for ratting plex's and missions use ab) Target Painter (helps drone damage.... really!) 2x Cap Rechargers II Drone Navigation Computer (speed boost for drones)
Lows: Large Armor Rep II "xxx" Armor Hardner II (active) Primary damage type "xxx" Armor Hardner II (active) "yyy" Armor Hardner II(active) secondary damage type Magnetic field stab II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
Fixed. Can prolly perma run the lar. If not swap the extra mag stab for a cap power rely.
This will rat and salvage quicker(cause of more guns and the mag stab n the mwd to get to wrecks quicker than your setup soooo therefore it is better.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.02.06 22:55:00 -
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Almost every ship and *guide* I've seen recommended so far in this thread is a quick way to get you killed in hostile 0.0 and give the aggressors some decent loots. But then again I'm going to assume thats the posters intentions.
Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english.
Irony. So delicious. |
Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.06 23:09:00 -
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Ishtar
highs for salvage and such
can be made to tank well and still be very agile
has enough DPS to kill any rat spawn easy just with drones.
Not a bad sized cargo either Sig removed. Lacks EVE related content. For more information feel free to contact [email protected]. ~Saint |
Vymorna Grom
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.07 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Almost every ship and *guide* I've seen recommended so far in this thread is a quick way to get you killed in hostile 0.0 and give the aggressors some decent loots. But then again I'm going to assume thats the posters intentions.
That's and interesting thought.
But then again, even those "aggressors" needed to start somewhere . . .
I certainly hope pirates in EVE don't use the forums to go trolling for victims (as in: easy noob prey.)
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Neena Valdi
Geddonites
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Posted - 2008.02.07 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Almost every ship and *guide* I've seen recommended so far in this thread is a quick way to get you killed in hostile 0.0 and give the aggressors some decent loots. But then again I'm going to assume thats the posters intentions.
If you aren't stupid and pay attention you won't get killed even in a slow BS. Unless you are very unlucky and someone who jump into system warps right on top of you immediatly which happens not that often, least to say.
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