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Komen
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.14 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
Originally by: CCP Prism X circle jerk
I find this to be extremely inappropriate and offensive comment and expect you to apologize to the community for your usage of such a foul statement.
Taikun
P.S. Fun enough for you?
I would find it inappropriate in other usage. As Prism uses the phrase 'Circle Jerk', it does not refer to an act of group ************ but rather...oh, screw it.
I'm more offended by you taking things out of context in some sort of attack on the dev in question, than I am at the dev's word usage. ___________________________________
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
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Posted - 2008.02.14 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: The Conduit
You bet wrong, Taikun. It's actually quite refreshing to have a member of CCP talking openly, without pu$$y-footing* around the antagonistic morons who are just trying to bait him.
* oh no, I just realized, that could be taken as a sexually explicit profanity....perhaps by somebody looking for an excuse to justify his self-righteous moral outrage.
Eventhough it just happened on the forums. This wins eve!
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hilaw
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Posted - 2008.02.14 09:30:00 -
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I miss TomB, but I notice they also killed off the old Jove avatars. Seems Dev posts have returned to be dragged down and beaten by experience.
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Karanth
Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.02.14 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dire Lauthris
Originally by: Taikun I bet you the greater community would agree with me that foul language has no place in these forums irrespective of the position the poster holds at CCP.
I bet you the greater community would tell you to shut the **** up.
You are my hero.
And Prism X, I still owe you that million Trit. Thanks again for taking time out of the day so long ago to fix that ice-belt-turned-to-Veld-rocks problem last year.
All that's left...
There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. Well, there's not many of *us* left! -Rauth
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Robacz
Essence Trade Essence Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.02.14 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dire Lauthris
Originally by: Taikun I bet you the greater community would agree with me that foul language has no place in these forums irrespective of the position the poster holds at CCP.
I bet you the greater community would tell you to shut the **** up.
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Elles D
Caldari Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.14 10:02:00 -
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I miss tomb too, havn't seen him for ages. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Tzar'rim
Minmatar Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.02.14 10:10:00 -
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The whole insurance thread worked out rather bad for the CCP members posting there because they were in the wrong, perhaps they misunderstood. Dunno, don't care. **** happens.
I DO applaud CCP posting here as much as they can/want, and if at all possible in the "least official" way (apart from when that's neccesary ofcourse). Will they get flak for whatever they do? yes, they'll need 98% thermal resists when posting but that comes with the job... to a point.
Thing is ofcourse that the EVE community never was the "hello kitty online" community but it must be said that things seem to have gone downhill over time. So the second CCP starts to post more than the official statements they WILL be dragged down to our level and beaten on experience. (when I say our, I mean the worst part of the posting community).
So, you can't have it both ways; if you want CCP to post more you will have to accept that they get ****ed at times about stuff/people/posts and react to it (within reason ofcourse). Having said that they do hold a public postion so the "it's better to say nothing than to say something stupid" really holds.
On the other hand, our frustration comes from the fact that we feel that CCP doesn't share the problems we see and/or doesn't act on it. Wether that's actually true is less important tbh. And from frustration comes ****posting, apart from the professional ****posters ofcourse, they'll always provide.
RECOR is looking for a few aspiring team PVPers The chronicles of RECOR |
Taikun
Gallente Serenity Prime Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2008.02.14 10:48:00 -
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Edited by: Taikun on 14/02/2008 10:49:03
Originally by: Tzar'rim if you want CCP to post more you will have to accept that they get ****ed at times about stuff/people/posts and react to it (within reason ofcourse).
I disagree.
If you ask me, foul mouth employees who flagrently flout the very terms of service to which paying customers are held so stringently... need to be relinquished of their employment.
You would think that CCP after their long history of employees in positions of trust and responsibility disregarding the terms of their employment, that issues of 'code of conduct' would have been hammered into their skulls by now. Instead... we get more of 'do as I say, not as I do'.
The minimum wage developers who post in here might not like the 'heat' they recieve, but that is no excuse for becoming beligerant and abusive towards the paying community.
Originally by: Tzar'rim Thing is ofcourse that the EVE community never was the "hello kitty online" community but it must be said that things seem to have gone downhill over time.
So true. So very true.
Taikun
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Lyer
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.02.14 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Lyer on 14/02/2008 10:49:24
Originally by: Taikun Edited by: Taikun on 14/02/2008 08:29:08
Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 14/02/2008 08:10:52 I'm very sorry that the idea of mental self-gratification offends you but I'm not quite sure what you want me to do. I could explain to you how that term is used in a non explicit manner but I believe you already possess that information so it would be redundant. Redundant like a group of people discussing a certain subject ad infinitum with no real longing to get a resolution.
You are not sure what I want you to do? It is rather simple. I'd like you to follow the same standards and terms of service we are all held to. In other words... stop trolling by using sexually explicit profanity. I bet you the greater community would agree with me that foul language has no place in these forums irrespective of the position the poster holds at CCP.
You know, I tell my 10 year old son that pointing to others bad behaviour as an excuse for his own bad behaviour isn't acceptable. Yo obviously have a coinsiderable beef with something. Perhaps you should suck it up and behave in a responsible, mature fashion and turn the other cheek. That is what Jesus would do.
Best regards, Taikun
Not constructive - NavigatorPrism's posts should be applauded because they show just how petty and childishly pretentious you and people like you, who try pull one over Devs or for that matter any CCP employee on these forums.
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Chaosgabe TWC
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Posted - 2008.02.14 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun That is what Jesus would do.
I loled.
A lot.
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El Covah
LOCKDOWN. HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.02.14 10:53:00 -
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I am curious where is Oveur? Never seen any post or blog by him for ages.
I seriously miss him
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CCP Tuxford
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Posted - 2008.02.14 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Elles D I miss tomb too, havn't seen him for ages.
I saw him this morning. Actually me, TomB and Hammerhead had a chat, twas nice _______________ |
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Tzar'rim
Minmatar Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.02.14 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tzar''rim on 14/02/2008 11:04:47 @Taikun; hence the "within reason" part.
I have no problem with a CCP guy telling like it is, as long as it's not a flame, personal attack or just something outspokenly bad. Remember that they can't 'defend' themselves from ****posters much because they are bound by what they can and cannot say or announce.
If they 'cower' into non-posting and/or meaningless politically correct drivel that's much, much worse.
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.14 11:16:00 -
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It's sad that there's so much flaming going on in this threads. Sure, CCP employees should be expected to know everything about the game and never make mistakes, but if they do, it shouldn't be taken as a reference to discredit and badmouth them each and every time they dare post here.
One thing this has shown is that the documentation of the game is clearly lacking and that the game mechanics are non-intuititve and far too complex even for CCP to master. I see room for improvement here, maybe "the EVE we envision" should not be the only aim for the Devs, but also "the EVE that is fun and playable".
The other issue here is that whenever there is pro/con CCP flaming going on, people just insult each other based on whether they tend to like or dislike CCP at the moment. Stay reasonable guys, comments saying essentially things like "I like X so he can insult others as much as he likes" are not helpful.
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Zarch AlDain
The Establishment Establishment
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Posted - 2008.02.14 11:19:00 -
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PrismX FTW. Enough said. Go back to your lair troll before you scare away one of the few devs who does regularly post.
(Not that I saw much wrong with what they posted in that thread anyway - but then I only skimmed it).
Zarch AlDain
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.14 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: El Covah I am curious where is Oveur? Never seen any post or blog by him for ages.
Everything seems to point to him and other important Devs working on a new game. But would CCP tell us that EVE is no longer the primary development target?
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Boratora
Gallente Real Nice And Laidback Corporation Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.14 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun Edited by: Taikun on 14/02/2008 10:49:03 I disagree.
If you ask me, foul mouth employees who flagrently flout the very terms of service to which paying customers are held so stringently... need to be relinquished of their employment.
You would think that CCP after their long history of employees in positions of trust and responsibility disregarding the terms of their employment, that issues of 'code of conduct' would have been hammered into their skulls by now. Instead... we get more of 'do as I say, not as I do'.
The minimum wage developers who post in here might not like the 'heat' they recieve, but that is no excuse for becoming beligerant and abusive towards the paying community.
Wrong. You are seriously misguided here. Sorry to disappoint you, but no one who plays Eve Online is like Jesus. You ignore the issue and latch on to a single element of a statement, completely derailing a conversation because you think your offense warrants it. Well you know what? It doesn't. Write CCP claiming offense, but your posts are nothing more than whiny self-aggrandizing.
People should treat others with respect, regardless if they are paying customers or not. The devs get beaten on regularly by people who hide behind the anonymity of forum avatars. They usually stop interacting with the community, but sometimes - as the old saying goes - "something's gotta break." That you think that somehow service providers such as CCP employees won't react with anger because you pay $15 is a sad, cynical and quite frankly unrealistic belief in the notion customer service.
You get what you give in life. You should expect nothing more.
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CCP Prism X
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Posted - 2008.02.14 11:37:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Prism X on 14/02/2008 11:38:55
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Everything seems to point to him and other important Devs working on a new game. But would CCP tell us that EVE is no longer the primary development target?
This is not true. Oveur is still 100% dedicated to EVE-Online and so are many of the old skool Devs. Obviously some migrated but for the love of the gods don't think EVE is being shelfed, half-shelfed or anything like that. It's still developed by people who love the game. People who love the vision. Seriously, I might take and give back some flak but I still love you. I don't expect it to be mutual and that comes with my job. But honest to the gods, I love you, I love the game, I love what EVE stands for in the MMO industry and the same goes for all of the developers. We don't hire people who don't stand up to those expectations.
That's why I kept on posting in that topic after being obviously in the wrong. I wanted to make sure others wouldn't have the same confusion as I obviously suffered from. It helps the game. It's my job.
~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006 |
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.14 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X This is not true. Oveur is still 100% dedicated to EVE-Online and so are many of the old skool Devs. Obviously some migrated but for the love of the gods don't think EVE is being shelfed, half-shelfed or anything like that. It's still developed by people who love the game. People who love the vision.
Cool, thanks for confirming this, another quote-worthy post by CCP Prism X. ;-)
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2008.02.14 11:43:00 -
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You know the way that people always joke about playing EVE naked? Well Prism X actually does.
Now this wouldn't be a problem if he worked from home, but alas, for all and sundry, he doesn't.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.02.14 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Taikun
bunch of stuff that is in theory correct but in practice turns out to be boring as hell pandering to overly critical, never happy whiners
Nah man. I miss Oveur comming into threads and wtf pwning someone. And PrismX is pretty tame in that regard.
After putting up with the Dark Age of Camelot scene where communication with the devs was pretty much like screaming down a rat hole to talk to someone three states away (in essence, no communication), the Eve scene was quite refreshing. You see, the DAoC devs took their ball and went home because they said the forums was 'too mean'. So when I came to Eve and saw Oveur pretty much handing it right back to some whiner on the forums, I was like holy crap!! These guys are great!!
If anything, they've gotten too nice. And as a result, overly critical, pretentious dipwads with "the customer's always right" delusions more and more expect to have their collective backsides kissed.
Screw that.
I would much rather have a dev come into a thread and smack me down on some point rather than sugar coating things for PC sake or no communication at all. At least they're more honest that way with no room for misunderstanding. And people get a better sense for just how much of their constantly complaining, *****y little attitudes the devs are willing to put up with.
Now a days it seems like people expect to be able to say whatever rude ass crap comes into their head all while just waiting to pounce on some dev for whatever little mistake. But yet they expect the devs to be declawed and nicey nice? pffft!!
Take your buisness elsewhere, imo. And bring back the good old days of chattier, and willing to give what they get, devs.
But that's just me...
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.02.14 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
Originally by: CCP Prism X Edited by: CCP Prism X on 14/02/2008 08:10:52 I'm very sorry that the idea of mental self-gratification offends you but I'm not quite sure what you want me to do. I could explain to you how that term is used in a non explicit manner but I believe you already possess that information so it would be redundant. Redundant like a group of people discussing a certain subject ad infinitum with no real longing to get a resolution.
tbh I'm kinda liking the replies from Prism X... he's perfect for these forums
This.
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.14 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Roy Batty68
But yet they expect the devs to be declawed and nicey nice? pffft!!
Noone really expects or wants them to be really nice. There's only some trolls pretending to be making such demands here, everone else is just hoping for a bit more interaction with the Devs (as in comforting statements or whatever ... about the lag situation etc.), even if it's rude, as long as it isn't pointless.
By the way - we haven't had any noticeable database issues for months, big improvement from last year. Thanks!
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.14 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X stuff
I for one appreciatted your participation in that thread a great deal, and the actions taken by you even more.
Don't let them get to you and if you need to let go of some frustration may I recommend a visit to Zulus desk... :P
/hugs - - -
Originally by: CCP Wrangler If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
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Schena
Isodyne Research and Production
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Posted - 2008.02.14 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos You know the way that people always joke about playing EVE naked? Well Prism X actually does.
Now this wouldn't be a problem if he worked from home, but alas, for all and sundry, he doesn't.
joking? Bah, time to put on some cloths then
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.14 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos You know the way that people always joke about playing EVE naked? Well Prism X actually does.
Now this wouldn't be a problem if he worked from home, but alas, for all and sundry, he doesn't.
is he a swede? if not, then you're ok in prodding him with an electric cow prod to put him in place.
only swedes have the right of doing anything nekkid.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.14 12:48:00 -
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Edited by: Cadela Fria on 14/02/2008 12:52:24
Originally by: CCP Prism X Stuff about prism being wrong about game mechanics
You know, I shan't proclaim to hold in my vocal cords, the collective voices of the more "enlightened" part of the EVE Community even though I'd love to as I have a feeling they'd agree with me on this.
That being said, here's what I think: So WHAT if you were wrong about the game mechanics on the matter of the reimbursement issue? Your point was solid, and that point was on the matter of policies and the integrity of those policies, and you were right - That certain argumentative fuzzball ewoks decided to flail their arms while rabbling, is honestly not yours or our problem, it's their own problem.
I say, let the unenlightened (whoever they may be)live in obscurity about really really simple game mechanics, heck, let them lie about them too inorder to try and get their stuff reimbursed. It won't matter..They still won't have their way, not now, not ever. I saw some really intuitive bright minds in that thread about reimbursement, who bravely took it upon themselves to take ships (albeit shuttles, they were still ships), insure them, trade them around and test the outcome - The result was consistent in all cases, and I claim not to be a intricate knowledge database on coding, but I know this much, coding is NOT black magic, it's set system of logic, numbers and conditions, and with that amount of consistency in a world where the afforementioned is true, that means somebody is lying...Make your own judgement as to who.
I thought about the insurance system about how complex something like that can be..Well lets see, what would it need right now? It has a start date and an end date, so..2 variables so far, probably some form of types called "Date" or similar. Insurance level, most likely an integer, no reason to complicate it, 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 for the levels of insurance (basic, etc, platinum, you get the idea) , so 3 variables. Type of ship being insured, probably an integrated part of the ship as the ship itself holds information on what it is, so..read that attribute, and apply value accordingly. (which would explain why t2 ships have same insurance as t1..they're based on the same thing)
So, 3 attributes so far and a maybe a string value fetched from the ship. What else? Something that connects the insurance money to the player, well I'm going to make an assumption here and say that when a ship is being piloted by a player, it probably knows which player is giving it commands, otherwise there'd be a massive mess of people sending each other off roaring towards the sun really fast for giggles. With that in mind, why not just use that knowledge for binding the insurance money to the right person?
So, now we're at 3 attributes and 2 string values (or whatever they use) gotten from the ship. Do we need anything else?...Not that I can think of. Of course all the logic to operate those attributes, but thats simple and is probably largely isolated around that specific item that is the ship in it's current state of being, which makes sense as right now, the ship as an item is unique, which is perfect. As soon as someone else pilots the ship, the attributes changes and therefor so does the ship's state of being. As soon as someone repackages the ship, the ship is deleted and replaced with another item, namely the item that is a packaged ship which is completely different then the unpacked one. So once you unpack the ship again, the packaged ship spawns an unpackaged ship of the type it was set to create, and then deletes itself and vice versa - So therefor, your newly unpackaged ship is not the same ship you had when you insured your ship.
I might be wrong, but so far it seems to add up to me, AND fit with the test results that those bright people came up with in that other thread. Very simple system, and so I doubt it's broken - And therefor I challenge anyone to correct me, even CCP.
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CCP Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2008.02.14 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Tuxford
Originally by: Elles D I miss tomb too, havn't seen him for ages.
I saw him this morning. Actually me, TomB and Hammerhead had a chat, twas nice
Let¦s be honest now about where people dissapeared to. We cannot hide the truth for much longer.
They were shipped to Greenland to continue the negotiations with the Jove race regarding the way portray them in EVE as preparation for the New Dawn. The New Dawn is a revolutionary breakthrough for all of mankind today and is expected to be released in the coming era.
I know this is a lot to take in, so we¦ll come with updates at a later date when everyone is used to this and has had time to sleep it over.
Take care,
Eris
PS Greenland is really damn cold and not so green in wintertime
this post is founded and spondored by Bull****z
Pink Dread has been hijacked
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Tolas
Aerthyrian Sovereignty
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Posted - 2008.02.14 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Tolas on 14/02/2008 12:58:56
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
PS Greenland is really damn cold and not so green in wintertime
Well, their Coat of Arms IS a Polar Bear
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Recluse Viramor
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.14 13:09:00 -
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Prism X 4tw tbh!
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