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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2012.03.04 21:04:00 -
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Yes, I only mine Veldspar in high sec. That good pirate standing? I must have found a secret mining station of theirs and those worm hole kill mails are fake because I mine them to death and would never be in another ship.
However, this has nothing to do with me as a player. I am saying that the whole CSM is bad because it has players in it when it would be better run by GMs.
Vocal minorities destroy games and giving them a soap box is the worst thing a game company can do. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Killer Gandry
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.03.04 21:33:00 -
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End result ot the debate is that there are players who wish for an active "none of the above" option as to let CCP see howmany would actually vote that and take that into their calculations. CSM candidates feel threatened?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2012.03.07 15:46:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:End result ot the debate is that there are players who wish for an active "none of the above" option as to let CCP see howmany would actually vote that and take that into their calculations. CSM candidates feel threatened?
Why is there so many "Like" with no "Dislike" options across the web? Games where any idiot need only apply time, grind and then be "uber"?
People do not handle criticism or failure well any more. They do not want challenges as they live sheltered little lives. Companies see ways to inflate the feelings and egos of their target market then cash in on that.
Just read the articles with quotes from after the Jita protests, "we were going from strength to strength and could not handle this set back well." (paraphrased) They had become complacent and shrouded in their belief of succeeding. "Just wait until you see this WiS stuff, it will blow you socks off!" Was there thought to contingencies? An awareness of divided interests? What if they had released some long asked for FiS changes at the same time? Do you think that there would have been more mollified people?
Do you really see CSM with all its bias being good coverage for the game or do you think like me that it is another Incarna blind spot of CCP's? Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:33:00 -
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Here's the list of CSM7 candidates :
SkipperMonkey : Not a bloc candidate Riverini : Init, might be supported by part of Team Tech Korvin : [BEST] Alliance. Never saw this dude, nor his alliance. Two Step : Not a bloc candidate Greene Lee : -A- candidate, definetly a bloc candidate. Trebor : Not a bloc candidate. Mu'ad Dhiib : Not a bloc candidate. Prometheus Exenthal : Not a bloc candidate. Draco Llasa : Supported by Init, might be a bloc candidate. Xenuria : ****** with a hat, not a bloc candidate. Corebloodbrothers : not a bloc candidate. Tiger Would : Not a bloc candidate. Sollana : Not a bloc candidate (CVA is not a power bloc) Lyris Nairn : Definetly a bloc candidate, but also the Sky Captain of My Heart. Dovinian : Bloc candidate from TEST. Mintrolio : Not a bloc candidate. Alekseyev Karrde : Not a bloc candidate. Vincent Athena : Not a bloc candidate. PsychoBitch : Not a bloc candidate. The Mittani : Definetly a bloc candidate from GSF. Also a chairman4life. Mike Azariah : Not a bloc candidate. Meissa Anunthiel : Not a bloc candidate. Roc Wieler : Not a bloc candidate. Darius III : Not a bloc candidate. His bloc have been...savagely ripped to pieces. leboe : Not really a bloc candidate. Issler Dainze : Not a bloc candidate. Skye Aurorae : Not a bloc candidate. UAxDEATH : Bloc candidate. Kelduum Revaan : Not a bloc candidate. T'amber Anomandari Demaleon : Not a bloc candidate. Fon Revedhort : I don't think Darkside is in any powerbloc ? So...Not a bloc candidate. michael boltonIII : bloc candidate from TEST. Blake Armitage : Not a bloc candidate. Voloses : Bloc candidate. StarConquer212 : Not a bloc candidate. Elise Randolph : Bloc candidate. Seleene : Bloc candidate. Blackberry Bold : Not a bloc candidate. Hans Jagerblitzen : Not a bloc candidate. Akirei Scytale : Bloc candidate.
That's 12 bloc candidates. Some of them are even purely comical.
28 Non-bloc candidates.
And you really think that CCP should add a "None of the candidates suit my needs" button ? I mean...If there were like 10 candidates or 15. But no. If you don't want to vote for a bloc candidate, you still have 28 possibilities. Isn't that enough ?
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Skye Aurorae
No Bull Ships
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:39:00 -
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The obvious way to abstain is to vote for a candidate that legally is denied a place on the ballot - there's a 7 year old girl standing, think of what a statement that would make. Skye Aurora is a 7 year old Girl Who Wants to be on the CSM! Unfortunately, the Lawyers say you have to be 21, so.. Vote for Scott Manley / Skye Aurorae for CSM 7 An Expert in Dealing with Childish Arguments Over Toys. http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/Vote.asp?c=458 |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:53:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:Here's the list of CSM7 candidates :
And you really think that CCP should add a "None of the candidates suit my needs" button ? I mean...If there were like 10 candidates or 15. But no. If you don't want to vote for a bloc candidate, you still have 28 possibilities. Isn't that enough ?
Realistically, who is going to win? Regardless of that, it does not matter how benign the candidate is, I believe this work is not suitable for any players.
Skye Aurorae wrote:The obvious way to abstain is to vote for a candidate that legally is denied a place on the ballot - there's a 7 year old girl standing, think of what a statement that would make. I have already taken the only option available to me and actively abstained. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:54:00 -
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Killer Gandry wrote:End result ot the debate is that there are players who wish for an active "none of the above" option as to let CCP see howmany would actually vote that and take that into their calculations. CSM candidates feel threatened?
What makes you think CCP cares about that information?
Think about it - it's extremely easy to participate in this whole system. Voting is beyond simple, you have 14 days to do it on any number of accounts you have that qualify. Running is almost as easy, as the only two barriers of entry are "are you 21?" and "can you legally travel to Iceland?".
A vote of "none of the above" is really saying "I'm too lazy to run, too lazy to solicit any of the 28 certified candidates from just about every corner of the galaxy, but certainly not too lazy to whine about it". How valuable is any of that to CCP at the end of the day?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:56:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote: A vote of "none of the above" is really saying "I'm too lazy to run, too lazy to solicit any of the 28 certified candidates from just about every corner of the galaxy, but certainly not too lazy to whine about it". How valuable is any of that to CCP at the end of the day?
No. I believe that all players in CSM capacity is bad for EVE, self included. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.03.07 16:59:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Snow Axe wrote: A vote of "none of the above" is really saying "I'm too lazy to run, too lazy to solicit any of the 28 certified candidates from just about every corner of the galaxy, but certainly not too lazy to whine about it". How valuable is any of that to CCP at the end of the day?
No. I believe that all players in CSM capacity is bad for EVE, self included.
Good for you. CCP clearly doesn't, hence the CSM existing. So we're right back to the "why do you think they care about your opinion?" point. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:02:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote: Good for you. CCP clearly doesn't, hence the CSM existing. So we're right back to the "why do you think they care about your opinion?" point.
"Why do you think they care about anyone's opinion?" Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:04:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Snow Axe wrote: Good for you. CCP clearly doesn't, hence the CSM existing. So we're right back to the "why do you think they care about your opinion?" point.
"Why do you think they care about anyone's opinion?"
They're paying yearly to fly some of them to Iceland for the 7th time. That's a good sign they at least somewhat care. Even if they didn't care and this is all PR, what skin is it off your back?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:13:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:... if they didn't care and this is all PR, ?
Then I would be happier. Time and again, I have seen games eroded by vocal short sighted players. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:28:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Then I would be happier. Time and again, I have seen games eroded by vocal short sighted players.
And far more often, I have seen short-sighted devs with no idea what players actually *do* in game ruin a game completely.
A good recent example - some devs spent 2 years focusing on this expansion that even at best would have added nothing but fluff, ignored the core game and very nearly lost the entire thing because of it. You might have heard of it, it was called Eve Online. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:36:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote: And far more often, I have seen short-sighted devs with no idea what players actually *do* in game ruin a game completely.
A good recent example - some devs spent 2 years focusing on this expansion that even at best would have added nothing but fluff, ignored the core game and very nearly lost the entire thing because of it. You might have heard of it, it was called Eve Online.
For all those years they had CSM and look what good that did them!
Emergency meeting was a result of the riots and all they had to do was repeat what was very loud and clear all over the forums. GMs, could have done that quicker with less cost. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.03.07 17:45:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:For all those years they had CSM and look what good that did them!
Wait, I thought you would be happy to see the CSM worthless and ignored?
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Emergency meeting was a result of the riots and all they had to do was repeat what was very loud and clear all over the forums. GMs, could have done that quicker with less cost.
GM's would have been able to report how angry people are, sure, and their usefulness would have ended there. Would they have known to push CCP to put some very immediate focus on the whole Flying in Space thing as that's what people were truly angry about?
Also as an aside, why the hell do you care about "less cost" to CCP? Do you really think they're so stupid that they'd be flying a group of players to a foreign country if consulting their GM's had the same effect? |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2012.03.07 18:16:00 -
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GMs only needed to read, think logically and consolodate the reasons why the players were angry. These abilities are not unique to players.
As for CSM, I am hoping it is just some glamour, drama, celebrity, PR stunt.
The key is that GMs would be impartial and not try to direct the game into conscious or subconscious bias that would be detrimental to the over all game in the long term. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.03.07 18:21:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:The key is that GMs would be impartial and not try to direct the game into conscious or subconscious bias that would be detrimental to the over all game in the long term.
The only way a GM's opinion would be even somewhat useful to CCP would be if they were still actively playing the game, which means not only would they be subject to the same biases as the current CSM players, it'd be even harder to weed out as their biases would be obfuscated by their roles, as opposed to the system we have now, where factions are out in the open, making blatant attempts to one-up your adversaries easy to spot and shoot down. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2012.03.07 18:26:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote: The only way a GM's opinion would be even somewhat useful to CCP would be if they were still actively playing the game, ...
By that token you can say that the null sec focused players must be automatically disregarded when ever an aspect to do with other parts of space is brought up; as they are not actively playing there.
It does not take more than an average understanding to see why an idea is logically sound. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.07 18:30:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:By that token you can say that the null sec focused players must be automatically disregarded when ever an aspect to do with other parts of space is brought up; as they are not actively playing there.
It doesn't make their opinion irrelevant (as they may well have played that aspect of the game, or currently participate in it), but it does mean that people who actively DO participate in that part of the game should definitely be taken more seriously. Hence why it's a good idea to find a candidate that plays what you do and back them, OR run yourself. Abstaining like this is a good way to ensure that the CSM becomes totally unbalanced, which nobody wants.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:It does not take more than an average understanding to see why an idea is logically sound.
This says more about your struggles on this topic than I'm sure you wanted to admit. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
467
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Posted - 2012.03.07 20:28:00 -
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If anyone is looking for the point before the Goony Toon arrived it is here.
Snow Axe wrote: Blah blah
The CSM will always be unbalanced due to the nature of people and the way that this game is structured.
GMs would be impartial and it does not take long for them to mess around a bit in Jove space enough to understand when player suggestions make sense or not. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
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Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.07 20:41:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: The CSM will always be unbalanced due to the nature of people and the way that this game is structured.
GMs would be impartial and it does not take long for them to mess around a bit in Jove space enough to understand when player suggestions make sense or not.
Aaaahahahahahaha. This thread is the gift that keeps on giving. Never give up, little bat. Never stop posting things like this. Can't wait for the video of 2000+ GMs reenacting last night's battle in C-J6MT so they can understand any player suggestions that come up about it.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2012.03.07 23:13:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote: Aaaahahahahahaha. This thread is the gift that keeps on giving. Never give up, little bat. Never stop posting things like this. Can't wait for the video of 2000+ GMs reenacting last night's battle in C-J6MT so they can understand any player suggestions that come up about it.
Heaven forbid that anyone could make a to scale experiment and study. I am sure it is also impossible to eaves drop, record or re-enact with bots. There are no examples of this ever happening.
Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.08 00:11:00 -
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Vote 'abstain' now: http://t.co/A8hmt7fh "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2012.03.08 00:30:00 -
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Read the complete Platform here: http://www.eve-online-dark-taboo.com/vote/
If you want your vote to count just once in EVE vote for PsychoBitch.
Sick of CCP devs and their hair-brained, half-baked, blue-balled ideas?
Sick of self-important fat puds and frail half-elves on the CSM?
Sick of things in eve that should have been fixed A G E S ago not being fixed
and new errors being introduced daily?
Make your one vote count finally, vote for PsychoBitch!
If you are voting for someone who has been in the CSM before - you have wasted your vote on F A I L
Don't be a failure, be a hero. Vote for PsychoBitch now!
Campaign Song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnOZAEbk7r0
If you don't drink whiskey - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE If you don't like having sex with women - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE If you don't live life on your own terms - VOTE FOR SOMEONE ELSE
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