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Lord Evangelian
Gallente LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.14 19:11:00 -
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I just went to log in and I was greated with: -
"Friendly Tip of the day: Buying ISK for real world money is an EULA violation"
This is excelent, CCP 1, ISK sellers 5. Ok you have 4 more to do lol you can gain anothe rone by adding: -
"...and will result in the ISK being removed and/or your account being banned." --------------------
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Morrow Disca
Macrocosm Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.14 19:13:00 -
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better not put my billion isk on e-bay then
But seriously thou? Do CCp think people just DON'T KNOW isk buying is illegal??
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.14 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Anaalys Fluuterby on 14/02/2008 19:15:51
Originally by: Morrow Disca better not put my billion isk on e-bay then
But seriously thou? Do CCp think people just DON'T KNOW isk buying is illegal??
Think about it...
Brand new player, never been on a MMO before, starts the game under the advise of friends. First thing he sees in NPC Corp chat or Help channel is an ad for "legal" ISK sales.....
Admittedly, most DO know. But there are a few that have no idea....
My main question is why don't they have the GMs monitoring the NPC Channels? Gads, the ads get spammed 20-30 times before they get shut down.
Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.14 19:16:00 -
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My answer is yes: -
When a rookie buys ISK, I would gather that they don't know the consequence behind it...
They need to understand that it will open a world of Torment for them...
No Market transactions No Conversations No Conracts No Jumping into certain systems (I have has a fee in my wallet once or twice for jumping into X system before...) You get the idea...
Theres more to it that EULA violation...its teh end of EVE as you now it...if you get a -0.00ISK ballance.... --------------------
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Morrow Disca
Macrocosm Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.14 19:19:00 -
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i agree with the bit about monitoring the rookie/sales channels. I mean can't you guys just put the YTS (or whatever you call you trainees in Iceland) in front of a screen with all the windows open and write a 'right click - perma ban' function for him?
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.02.14 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Morrow Disca better not put my billion isk on e-bay then
But seriously thou? Do CCp think people just DON'T KNOW isk buying is illegal??
We don't think people don't know buying ISK is against the rules, we KNOW people don't know buying ISK is against the rules.
It is surprising the first times you hear "but why would the sell it on ebay if it wasn't allowed?" and similar explanations but you get used to it.
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Amuko
Amarr Disturbed Amarrians Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.02.14 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian My answer is yes: -
When a rookie buys ISK, I would gather that they don't know the consequence behind it...
They need to understand that it will open a world of Torment for them...
No Market transactions No Conversations No Conracts No Jumping into certain systems (I have has a fee in my wallet once or twice for jumping into X system before...) You get the idea...
Theres more to it that EULA violation...its teh end of EVE as you now it...if you get a -0.00ISK ballance....
Yes, because being in a world of torment will surely make the rookie stay in EVE. If they honestly don't know then punishing them for it is bull****, I'm all for EVE being a harsh game, but at least give them a warning, just like giving someone a warning before he heads into lowsec, if they ignore that, well hey, world of torment it is.
And they do give them a warning now with the tip, so it's cool I guess. I'd know what I'd do if I was new and was -billions of isk though, I'd start a new char.
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Feilamya
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Posted - 2008.02.14 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Evangelian
This is excelent, CCP 1, ISK sellers 5. Ok you have 4 more to do lol you can gain anothe rone by adding: -
"...and will result in the ISK being removed and/or your account being banned."
No way. We like the whining ISK buyers that pop in here from time to time.
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Morrow Disca
Macrocosm Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.14 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Morrow Disca better not put my billion isk on e-bay then
But seriously thou? Do CCp think people just DON'T KNOW isk buying is illegal??
We don't think people don't know buying ISK is against the rules, we KNOW people don't know buying ISK is against the rules.
It is surprising the first times you hear "but why would the sell it on ebay if it wasn't allowed?" and similar explanations but you get used to it.
Damn, i forgot the mantra of IT. 'Never underestimate the stupidity of the user'
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Kraven Kor
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.14 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Morrow Disca better not put my billion isk on e-bay then
But seriously thou? Do CCp think people just DON'T KNOW isk buying is illegal??
We don't think people don't know buying ISK is against the rules, we KNOW people don't know buying ISK is against the rules.
It is surprising the first times you hear "but why would the sell it on ebay if it wasn't allowed?" and similar explanations but you get used to it.
Meh, ban 'em anywho! This is EVE, no room for nice guys!
"Oh, you didn't know lasers could melt your hull? Here I'll just turn these off and let you on through, but be warned! You know now, next time, I won't be so nice!"
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.14 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Feilamya Edited by: Feilamya on 14/02/2008 19:27:27
Originally by: Lord Evangelian
This is excelent, CCP 1, ISK sellers 5. Ok you have 4 more to do lol you can gain anothe rone by adding: -
"...and will result in the ISK being removed and/or your account being banned."
No way. We like the whining ISK buyers that pop in here from time to time.
Quote: Anyone who thinks that "is forbidden" needs an addition of "and will be punished" simply failed the mandatory IQ test for this game.
Thank you troll, your comments are much valued.
I would suguest you look at it from a newbies prospective...do you think a newbie will know the consequences of there actions in this situation unless they are a reoffender.
It's like: -
"A button that says sweet dispenser with a notice saying don't push this button. Any person would wanna know why can't I. I mean a sweet can't be all that bad.
If the button said: -
Don't press this button, becuase if you do and eat the sweets you will gain the risk of gingivitis and other gum desease. These sweets contain an abnormal amount of sugar in them cuasing said problems.
From what your saying someone who has never looked in the direction of the button would know this. That argument is a little flawed..."
I would suggest not posting in a topic with out backing up/or validating your argument. I took your post as a personal attack to me as you quoted what I said, and said
Originally by: Feilamya Anyone who thinks that "is forbidden" needs an addition of "and will be punished" simply failed the mandatory IQ test for this game.
Plus from the way you hid your corp, race and alliance details suggests that you are a provocative alt. So excuse my foul disposition to you. --------------------
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.17 08:10:00 -
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"Laundering Isk is a violation of CONCORD regulations. In the eventuallity you will be caught, you will have your isk confinsated, security status revoked, and possibly loss of pilot status and immediate termination without clone reactivation." -Some counter spammer in local.
Yeah Ive been seeing this message or something similar alot more lately.
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Siege
Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2008.02.17 15:58:00 -
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Though buying a time-card, trading it for isk, and having the same exact end result is ok... spend money, gain isk.
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.02.17 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Siege Though buying a time-card, trading it for isk, and having the same exact end result is ok... spend money, gain isk.
It's the same result, but only for the person investing RL money. With the GTC system, you don't have a bunch of 23/7 ISK farmers that are not only disrupting the economy with the amount of ISK they're creating, but they also get paid RL cash for it. With GTC's, you just have 2 regular players exchanging ISK for money, and CCP gets the money, instead of the ISK sellers.
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Siege
Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting
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Posted - 2008.02.17 16:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: Siege Though buying a time-card, trading it for isk, and having the same exact end result is ok... spend money, gain isk.
It's the same result, but only for the person investing RL money. With the GTC system, you don't have a bunch of 23/7 ISK farmers that are not only disrupting the economy with the amount of ISK they're creating, but they also get paid RL cash for it. With GTC's, you just have 2 regular players exchanging ISK for money, and CCP gets the money, instead of the ISK sellers.
So then, the issue isn't that people BUY isk, It's that people SELL isk?
I was under the impression that both sides of the equation were EULA violations and against the spirit of the game. CCP's sanctioned method is just more convoluted, more expensive, and puts the money in a different pocket. Either way somebody is spending money, somebody is receiving money, and somebody is grinding the isk.
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.17 17:53:00 -
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In my opinion, they shoudl get rid of GTC, and ETC as well, they are just as bad cuaseing people to farm. It ****s up the EON economy.
"I can't afford that T2 BS...don't worry Ill use my RL wallet to get it"
isn't it just as bad as hacking, manipulated something out of game to effect your play in game...?
...and thanks for necoing my topic...lol --------------------
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mrspiggy
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Posted - 2008.02.17 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: mrspiggy on 17/02/2008 18:14:01
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Morrow Disca better not put my billion isk on e-bay then
But seriously thou? Do CCp think people just DON'T KNOW isk buying is illegal??
We don't think people don't know buying ISK is against the rules, we KNOW people don't know buying ISK is against the rules.
It is surprising the first times you hear "but why would the sell it on ebay if it wasn't allowed?" and similar explanations but you get used to it.
Of course you know people don't know.
It's so confusing, seeing as you provide a means of selling GTC bought with Real Life money for ISK. Which if you take the middle bit out (the GTC) = Buy isk for $$$'s with CCP's help.
As soon as that $$$'s for that isk goto another party aside from CCP (ie the isk seller) you get all shirty about it and call it a breach of the EULA and start banning people.
A few years on and I still call it double standards, and perfectly understand why people don't realise buying isk off of ebay is against the EULA.
FACT : CCP are the biggest isk sellers in EVE
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.02.17 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Siege So then, the issue isn't that people BUY isk, It's that people SELL isk?
I was under the impression that both sides of the equation were EULA violations...
They are.
Both sides of the equation are EULA violations, and the GTC trade system represents the only legal exception.
I know it doesn't sound fair, but it's CCP's game, and they can do whatever they want with it. They run a business, and they probably figured out they make more money this way.
Maybe things will change in the future, but for now, there's not much you can do about it other than cancelling your subscription in protest.
Originally by: Siege ...and against the spirit of the game.
And what's the "spirit of the game" you speak of? EVE is advertised as a gritty, harsh game where you can do anything to get ahead, be that scamming, robbing your own corp mates, or other cruel activities. The RL wallet is just another weapon some people opt to use, and some don't, just like some people scam and others are fervently against it.
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Audri Fisher
Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.17 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Morrow Disca better not put my billion isk on e-bay then
But seriously thou? Do CCp think people just DON'T KNOW isk buying is illegal??
We don't think people don't know buying ISK is against the rules, we KNOW people don't know buying ISK is against the rules.
It is surprising the first times you hear "but why would the sell it on ebay if it wasn't allowed?" and similar explanations but you get used to it.
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Captain Agemman
Minmatar Legio Ultra
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Posted - 2008.02.17 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Morrow Disca Damn, i forgot the mantra of IT. 'Never underestimate the stupidity of the user'
I prefer:
"Nothing is fool-proof for a sufficiently talented fool."
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"Every time you develop a better fool proof mechanism, nature brings forth a better fool."
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Shaemell Buttleson
Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2008.02.17 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Morrow Disca better not put my billion isk on e-bay then
But seriously thou? Do CCp think people just DON'T KNOW isk buying is illegal??
We don't think people don't know buying ISK is against the rules, we KNOW people don't know buying ISK is against the rules.
It is surprising the first times you hear "but why would the sell it on ebay if it wasn't allowed?" and similar explanations but you get used to it.
FFS get a grip man that's like when someone gets caught doing 70 mph in a 30 mph housing zone and saying "I never realised this wasn't the motorway".
Until you rule this with an iron fist you will allways get ppl doing this giving out crappy lame excuses and wasting your GM's time and effort messing around with this instead of more important issues.
I have petitioned ISK sellers so much in the last 3 months im sick of it. I get the same generic "thanks for reporting this" bull**** message within minutes but other petitions which I hardly ever make i'm lucky if I get an answer within 1 month or let alone a week.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.02.17 19:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/02/2008 19:18:12
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Kuseka Adama
Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.17 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Morrow Disca better not put my billion isk on e-bay then
But seriously thou? Do CCp think people just DON'T KNOW isk buying is illegal??
We don't think people don't know buying ISK is against the rules, we KNOW people don't know buying ISK is against the rules.
It is surprising the first times you hear "but why would the sell it on ebay if it wasn't allowed?" and similar explanations but you get used to it.
Put your money where your friggn mouth is and IP BAN ANY PERSON WHO TALKS ABOUT ISK SELLING IN CHAT!
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Haurian Zealot
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Posted - 2008.02.17 19:29:00 -
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...so we get banned for telling newbies in npc corps that isk buying is bad?
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Lord Evangelian
Gallente LEAP Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.17 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Haurian Zealot ...so we get banned for telling newbies in npc corps that isk buying is bad?
...um no, how abouts have GMS or Volenters patroling rookie chanels and systems with teh ability to mute ISK spammers with a single click....Muting an account would do more damage as they wouldnt know they have been muted and would then take longer to multi spam...ALso requiers less work... --------------------
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Selene Dukat
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Posted - 2008.02.17 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Morrow Disca better not put my billion isk on e-bay then
But seriously thou? Do CCp think people just DON'T KNOW isk buying is illegal??
We don't think people don't know buying ISK is against the rules, we KNOW people don't know buying ISK is against the rules.
It is surprising the first times you hear "but why would the sell it on ebay if it wasn't allowed?" and similar explanations but you get used to it.
Actually, buying ISK is allowed - you just have to go through extra hoops to sell GTCs. Which is why I always wonder why the player community acts so up in arms about ISK sellers... CCP is one of them.
Personally, I think that's great, I think its a great way to work the problem, and also supply a demand that is going to get met by some people one way or another.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.17 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler It is surprising the first times you hear "but why would the sell it on ebay if it wasn't allowed?" and similar explanations but you get used to it.
you are far too trusting
they know
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Tek'a Rain
Gallente Collegium Mechanicae
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Posted - 2008.02.17 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kuseka Adama
Put your money where your friggn mouth is and IP BAN ANY PERSON WHO TALKS ABOUT ISK SELLING IN CHAT!
pssst.. little known secret.. Il let you in on it..
IP Banning is almost 100% pointless.
In the time it takes a GM to click a button, the macro-automated advertising bot can already have changed their IP, their MAC (hardware ID) and generated another random face-smash name and character through the trial system.
the important part is finding Buyers, skilled up farmers and isk sellers, and the all important "bankers", Not the ljkhgli "buy isk here" guy.
not to say that a filter or automated spam detection for 1 second old trial accounts is a bad idea.. would like seeing something like that too to prevent this mind poison from reaching the young.
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Lucas Avignon
Avignon Associates Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.17 20:17:00 -
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I was very glad to see CCP are really showing that they are doing something about the isk sellers, as I don't think every new player that joins Eve knows that it's illegal to buy isk.
But I think the message on the start screen which looks to have been removed should be even larger so people can not miss it, and in very clear terms so even the dumbest person will understand that if you buy isk it is against the game rules and you will lose that isk and possible have your account banned.
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Oniko Sengir
The Illuminati. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.17 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Morrow Disca better not put my billion isk on e-bay then
But seriously thou? Do CCp think people just DON'T KNOW isk buying is illegal??
My brother bought isk in WoW but gave the seller the wrong server name so they sent the gold to some other character. So he called up Blizzard and asked them to give the gold to him and almost got his account banned.
People don't realize it's against the rules.
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