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Masi
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Posted - 2004.03.31 23:17:00 -
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Well is it? I find it pretty pointless to pirating now. Yea ganking at gates is ****ty, personally i rarely did this myself. But waiting on those lucky indy hits to get a load of mega, zryd etc was great. Empire space is mostly frigs MWD or shuttles. BS with 5 Stabs and 2 MWDs.. dont see no profit in it myself anymore, maybe its time to change and do something usefull (Not mining) -------------------------
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.03.31 23:27:00 -
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Nope, not worthless. Even in empire space, its not worthless. Just gotta equip yourself right.
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ghoo
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Posted - 2004.03.31 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: ghoo on 31/03/2004 23:32:55 Masi, hmm, I have a feeling you might not be using the right terms and words in this thread.
Pirating is to stop someone and demand items, services, or money--in order to let he/she or them pass.
I know about your corp, you are not pirates - you simply blow up ships.
Quote: I find it pretty pointless to pirating now.
I was pirated only a few days ago in 0.0 space, and I have seen pirating and blowing up of ships in the last few days. So, I disagree with you.
Other than that - have an interesting experience.
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Masi
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Posted - 2004.03.31 23:32:00 -
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yea i guess so.. solo pirating in a BS seems very tough now'a days, in a bb its fun and not to hard. I guess pirating is definatly moved more into team work, and actuly having ppl doing specific roels ie 1 person in a frig MWD, WEB, WARP Jam. bb sensor dampening, bill and bob with the firepower etc etc.. Guess pirting is more tactical and less ganking :) -------------------------
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Brede Cleary
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Posted - 2004.03.31 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Brede Cleary on 31/03/2004 23:35:27 The following editorial is not the opinion of this station:
I use to wonder who the biggest whiners in the universe were. After reading the forums the answer is no longer in doubt. I swear every pirate on this forum is in friggin diapers. You guys are the biggest whinin crybabies I have ever seen. Gawd, get a life and quit crying about how this is bad for you and that is bad for you. You you you you. There's more to this game than being a bloody pirate. It's NOT a game about pirating okay? Stellar Products and Quality Resources ticker: SPQR established 6-03 |
Malice Devilbunny
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Posted - 2004.04.01 00:15:00 -
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It's not Quicken in space either, so take a breath and relax. Pirates have as much a right to continue practicing their trade as miners, manufacturers, researchers, or any other profession.
"Who want's some ham"
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.04.01 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mon Palae on 01/04/2004 00:36:50
Quote: yea i guess so.. solo pirating in a BS seems very tough now'a days, in a bb its fun and not to hard. I guess pirating is definatly moved more into team work, and actuly having ppl doing specific roels ie 1 person in a frig MWD, WEB, WARP Jam. bb sensor dampening, bill and bob with the firepower etc etc.. Guess pirting is more tactical and less ganking :)
This is anecdotal and not necessarily something someone can expect every day but the following would seem to indicate you can indeed solo pirate and make quite good money. Following is copied from another thread in this forum...link to the thread at the bottom. Seems like the pirate in this case netted a cool 50-60 mil in one go. What's more he did his thing in a "good" (for lack of a better word) pirate way rather than just play some a-hole griefer.
Quote: Yesterday 3-30-04 18:42 GMT I had just bought my brand spanking new MegaThron from Luminaire and flew down to AMI system to do a little 0.4 NPC hunting. A few minutes i'm locked down, warp scrammbled and webbed and taking massive hits from a Pirate named "OmegaTron"
All my shields and armor is now gone and he's working into my structure, then he stops firing!?! I thought maybe he ran out of ammo? Then i get a private convo from him. Now i don't know how to paste a chat log but i'll type what i can remember. sry
OmegaTron - u have 10 seconds to transferr 20mil in my account or u will lose your ship! L3xcia - stop shooting this is my new ship ( i know...sad ) Omega - 5 secs NOW! L3x - i don't have any isk i just bought this ship L3x - stop shooting ( i had about 15% structure and 1 more shot from his torps or cruise whatever he was shooting was going to kill me) Omega - 3sec find someone who has the money NOW! L3x - plz don't kill me i have no money ( or something embarrassing like that) Omega - get out of your ship and i'll give u 50mil that will cover your insurance ( he said something like that) L3x - but i paid 100mil for it? Omega - either get out of your ship and take the 50mil or lose your ship and get nothing (at this point i knew i didn't insure my ship and what he didn't know was that i had on a full set of implant!) L3x - ok ok stop i'll eject, but how will i know if u guve me the isk? Omega - u don't
so i took his offer and ejected from my ship and he did give me the 50mil.
SOURCE: Have u ever lost your ship?
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Kiana'tre
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Posted - 2004.04.01 01:11:00 -
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Pirateing in any respectable form is dead...........So is this game
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Fuujin
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Posted - 2004.04.01 01:17:00 -
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Once player owned stations (self built) and all the other deloyable goodies come into play (hopefully they actually come around within the shiva patch) then there will be plenty of things to hunt and blow up :) _______________
The sword has to be more than a simple weapon; it has to be an answer to life's questions
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2004.04.01 01:28:00 -
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Quote: Pirateing in any respectable form is dead...........So is this game
Thats true, im outta here till they sort the game out, everytime I log in they have done something to change how I played the time before.
As for the guy who said pirates whine?? wtf...Im a pirate and im ****ed off over the changes ccp made because another faction of the playerbase *****ed all over the forums.
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Silverlancer
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Posted - 2004.04.01 01:58:00 -
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Quote:
Quote: Pirateing in any respectable form is dead...........So is this game
Thats true, im outta here till they sort the game out, everytime I log in they have done something to change how I played the time before.
As for the guy who said pirates whine?? wtf...Im a pirate and im ****ed off over the changes ccp made because another faction of the playerbase *****ed all over the forums.
LOL. Its not hard to pirate at all. In fact, its surprisingly easy. All the changes mean is that you'll have to equip a few extra items.
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.04.01 02:24:00 -
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omg....
"Pirating is dead?"
Get a clue.. "pirating" in this game is classified by 95% of the "pirates" as ganking people as much as possible. That has never been, and never will be "profitable". In fact, camping spots and killing whatever comes in your path is NOT "pirating". It's just a label to hide behind and to justify your wicked ways and mindless bloodlust. That the slaughtermonkeys find the game less amusing will only be good for the community as whole.
I personally can see millions of "profitable" ways of doing piracy. But those who whine are those with very limited ideas, mental resources and skills to actually do anything more complicated than camping at one spot.
That you think piracy should be easy and noncomplicated is just a total carebear attitude. Piracy is for the skilled, strong and intelligent. It is probably the hardest trade of all EVE.
* -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
Valeria
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Posted - 2004.04.01 02:32:00 -
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Give it a rest. Camping is the most profitable way and it's still far from profitable. Hunting miners in belts or flying around in lawless space looking for huge mining ops is just a waste of time, they'll go to a safespot (in their battleships when you are in a frigate) as you enter local and talk smack (again, in their battleships) while you blow their cans up. I suggest all you smartasses actually try it out. Get a reputation, a negative security rating, a bounty and then try to hunt people down. You won't have much fun. Maybe it will work as a new pirate when no one knows who the hell you are, but that won't last long.
Tolling people might work better now that they fixed selfdestruct, but previously as soon as you even thought of tolling someone they'd selfdestruct.
Pirating will never be profitable, the risk vs. reward system is completely missing from this game. The only thing keeping the game alive for me is the promise of fixed security status healing so I can take part of the rest of the game.
Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes some nublar, wrecking for 1155.0 damage. |
Slithereen
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Posted - 2004.04.01 03:23:00 -
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Here's the story of a real pirate who proves you wrong:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=70427
_______________________________________________ "Is it me or the bad guys just getting totally pathetic?"---Clover, Totally Spies, "Hope is wasted on the Hopeless."---Mandy, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy. "Stars are holes in the sky from which the light of the Infinite shine through."---Confucius.
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Valeria
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Posted - 2004.04.01 03:44:00 -
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You have got to be kidding me. You think incidents like that happen very often? Because they have to in order for pirating to be as profitable as it is risky. You might get lucky a few times with a noob as in that thread, but people will learn of you and move the hell out as they probably aren't fond of getting caught multiple times.
Not to mention having to travel around alot, usually with the result of people going to safespots and logging off as you enter local, as I've already mentioned.
Stop trying to act as you know anything, you only make a fool of yourself. By all means, spend 10 months as a pirate and see if you agree with me.
Your 425mm Prototype I Gauss Gun perfectly strikes some nublar, wrecking for 1155.0 damage. |
Sally
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Posted - 2004.04.01 04:44:00 -
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It's dead. -- Stories: #1 --
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.04.01 04:56:00 -
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Pirating has gotten better, in some ways, but the traffic isn't there anymore.
I don't know what happend to the traffic, but it's gone.
Perhaps living in Empire is too lucrative now, I dunno.. ------
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Nightfang
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Posted - 2004.04.01 05:14:00 -
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Jim is right, as he is most of the times. So is the guy who says it's more about teamwork in this day and age than it is about solo play.
Solo piracy I find frigates to be way more effective. You are more mobile, and all of the sudden those MWD frigates people use to transport valuable stuff become viable targets if you are quick enough. Still yields alot of isk, and beats PvE by a long shot...
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.04.01 05:17:00 -
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My first reply was written in haste and without thought. After leaving my computer I kept thinking about the issue and the complex problem that it truly is. I also realised that there is a lot more to gain from a flamefree discussion of the subject.
So to begin with. Disregard my wrapped stabs directed at the mental capacity of the majority of the "pirates". I do however still think that the "pirate" profession is not ment to be easy. And its not ment to be a valid careerpath if you want an easy and casual gameplay. It is one of the hardest and very few will be/is suited for it.
That said, I found the following thoughts on the subject. And I will try to not do a Jade and write 3 pages long (no flame ment at Jade either. After figuring her out, I must say she is very amusing).I will try to put the core of my arguments in bold for your easy reading.
Topic: Piracy not "profitable or easy enough" Is this true? And if so, why is it not true?
What do you want? How do you want the game to be versus other players? To begin with, a pirate play against other players in a greater extent than a lot of other professions. To expect that people would be easy targets or for that matter, profitable targets is wrong.
Be a bit careful for you might get what you wish for.
Safespots and evasive tactics are used as much by pirates as its used by their prey. Pirates are not, in every situation, top of the foodchain. If catching a fleeing person would be easy. Pirating would become even harder, maybe even impossible.
Why do I think that?
Well, just drop our egos a bit here. How many pirates vs legit players do we have? I do think that it would be a matter of time before pirates ran out of business because of the "angry mob" syndrome. There are a lot more players who have chosen to play "within the laws". What would happen if it were a matter of massing fleets and then go and kill everything in your path? I'm not sure.. I think that this would be a totally different game. I personally love the background that the empirebusiness provides. New players can be new players in peace. People who want to build mighty productioncompanies can do just that. Don't get me wrong. I have only the nescessary miningskills to make easy cash from highend ore (and some corp management skills.) No refiningskills, no productionsskills, no research, nothing aimed at a peacefull living at all.
However: Without the players able to play peacefully. This game would loose the atmosphere completely.
I trailed off a bit. But seriously.. give it a bit more thought than you have. Means for "pirates" to catch players easy will also mean that pirates can be catched more easy. Its a balance and not one that is acheived easily. If you ever can reach a gamestate with a balance suited for it all.
My only advice to you is that if you don't want to play pirate all the time. If you want to travel in empirespace and do carebearstuff. Get another character or account and play that one. Thats what I would do. I'd keep writing nice stuff with this char and be bad-bad-bad-bad (still, bad with style though) with another. And you would never know I did it
And.. uhhm.. I was a bit of a pirate once with this char too. In the beginning when NPC-haulers dropped good loot and CONCORD didn't kill you for it. I took the life of many innocents
* -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.04.01 05:20:00 -
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I think safespots and instajumps are what make piracy total garbage now.
They need to be removed, they just do. We all use them, but they are ruining gameplay. ------
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.04.01 05:33:00 -
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Well sure. Its not that fun. You can't defend a territory in any efficient way
However, elitefrigates that can warp to ppl in space will come in play (I guess ppl will just make 50AU safespots instead of safespots in the middle of the system )
And instajumps, well... A lone person can't accomplish much. But if you team with ships that have uberfast lock and warpscramblers. You can catch persons on the other side with a nice success rate. Portable warpscramblers will also prove to be an interesting tool
These things are in the pipe with a soonÖ * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.04.01 05:34:00 -
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Quote: Well sure. Its not that fun. You can't defend a territory in any efficient way
However, elitefrigates that can warp to ppl in space will come in play (I guess ppl will just make 50AU safespots instead of safespots in the middle of the system )
And instajumps, well... A lone person can't accomplish much. But if you team with ships that have uberfast lock and warpscramblers. You can catch persons on the other side with a nice success rate. Portable warpscramblers will also prove to be an interesting tool
These things are in the pipe with a soonÖ
50AU? More like 500AU. ------
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.04.01 05:34:00 -
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But also, What do you suggest Jim?
m0o have been outnumbered and used the same tactics to evade the enemy countless of times. Everything can and will be used against the priates themselves * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.04.01 05:37:00 -
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Quote: But also, What do you suggest Jim?
m0o have been outnumbered and used the same tactics to evade the enemy countless of times. Everything can and will be used against the priates themselves
I suggest getting rid of safespots and instajump bookmarks and adapting. ------
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.04.01 05:45:00 -
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Yes, but that would also mean that only the people capable of fighting would be in 0.0
There wouldn't be any juicy 100k megacyte haulers to catch. There wouldn't be any easy targets out there.
But comming to think of it...
A bigger and safer Empirespace with the 0.0 being a total warzone with only the mightiest roaming around would be interesting.
That is.. you have plenty of playtime in empire if you want. But if you want the megacyte and zydrine. You would have to fight for every unit of ark you mine. Nowdays, people not even fit to drive battleships are up there mining happily in battleships..
m0o corp is one of the hardcores though. I can see lots of carebearpirates going down as fast as they imagine their prey will. * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.04.01 06:05:00 -
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EVE needs more conflict and more money sinks.
People are too rich, too jaded, and too bored.
Too much work to find battles currently, seems like you put more effort into finding people than you do actual fighting. ------
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2004.04.01 06:11:00 -
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Do people still mine and hunt in 0.0 space? Do they still take that ore and loot back to stations? Yes? Well then... how is killing them any less profitable than before?
The only recent change to piracy was making it a bit harder to camp 0.4 gates. Since 0.1-0.4 is far poorer than 0.0 space (no high-end loot, no rare minerals) the only good prizes you would get are people coming in from 0.0 anyway...
I think the big problem is that there are too many pirates. Pirates should be rare, because if they get too common then everyone will be on their guard. If piracy was more rare, there would be a lot more people not bothering to use double MWDs or insta-jumps...
Of course you (the pirates) could always form large groups and prey on the 0.0 alliances... they have far fewer stations than Empire players so it's a lot easier to find their routes. You just better be ready to run when 50 battleships start moving in on you...
(That's how I always envisioned piracy anyway... take down a juicy target and run away before the cops or local navy showed up. Not camping one spot for hours on end._
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SlightlyMad
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Posted - 2004.04.01 06:17:00 -
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Edited by: SlightlyMad on 01/04/2004 06:20:48 Yes, I think so too Jim
However, balance has to be kept in a way. If it was too easy to fight. The game would degenerate to a slaughterhouse and one could play counterstrike as well as EVE.
We need "carebears" and we need order to provide a background for the game. They are the fluff making this game interesting and a thing bigger than just pulling a trigger.
Sometimes its forgotten
"Piracy" is about taking someone else WORK with force. If those persons wouldn't be able to do their work, creating things for pirates to take. If noone excisted that created things and built things. The pirates themselves would have to produce, mine, research etc. And then piracy would truly be dead. * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo |
SpiralArchitech
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Posted - 2004.04.01 06:41:00 -
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Im only a month into EVE and im hooked, and all i have done is mine and train skillz this maybe a care bear deal but someday i would like to do some pirateing.
Now ppl here have said pirateing is too hard i don't really know but i'll tell u this.
When mineing, spending an hour looking for a nice omber patch in high sec space and then spending the next 3-4 hours mineing is not easy infact u could describe at as boring as hell but i would hope that pirateing is just as hard and time consuming though perhaps not as boring!
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Blue Pill
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Posted - 2004.04.01 06:51:00 -
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Quote: Give it a rest. Camping is the most profitable way and it's still far from profitable. Hunting miners in belts or flying around in lawless space looking for huge mining ops is just a waste of time, they'll go to a safespot (in their battleships when you are in a frigate) as you enter local and talk smack (again, in their battleships) while you blow their cans up. I suggest all you smartasses actually try it out. Get a reputation, a negative security rating, a bounty and then try to hunt people down. You won't have much fun. Maybe it will work as a new pirate when no one knows who the hell you are, but that won't last long.
* Tips his glass to camping gates.
I would argue that destroying anyone, at a gate or in an asteroid belt, is considered pirateing - violence driven by fantasies of instantaneous wealth. But if everyone can't see things that way, I don't mind being refered to as a homocidal maniac gate camper guy :)
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