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Rells
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.15 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 15/02/2008 20:08:20
On sisi, it is impossible to insta-undock from the station. The reason why is that when you now undock, causes you to curve off at some random angle from the station undock. This means that you will never be able to be aligned for an undock bookmark. In addition you dont stop when you come out of the undock so if it is a staiton with a small dock radius or you get blackscreened, you could easily be out of range of redocking before you find out the opponent has an interdictor there.
I can understand how random angles and not stopping could be useful for the undocking log jam in Jita but this is a game breaker for 0.0. It means that you cant undock if there is as much as a single interceptor with a point, you will be caught. There is no more need to use a bubble on the station to stop people. This would represent a massive shift in gameplay and i dont think this should make it to live.
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Rells
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.17 22:39:00 -
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That they would make such a change, universally nerfing undock bookmarks, is one thing. That they would do it without any regard to its effect on 0.0 combat just for the purpose of spreading poeple out at Jita IV-4 is preposterous. Such a change is a massive alteration of 0.0 PvP and should NOT be taken lightly.
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Rells
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.18 20:22:00 -
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It isnt a bug. A member of AGONY filed a bug report on this and was informed that it was a designed feature.
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Rells
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.20 06:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Last Wolf
I live in 0.0 and i'm ALLL for this change. seriously. Ontop of this change you should not be able to dock if you've TAKEN damage within the last 30 seconds. But we really do need windows so we can look outside the dang station.
I'm just sick of the NPC station undock. wait till shields get to 1%... DOCK... rinse and repeat. "Hugging" the station (aka, sitting 0m from it) should NOT grant you immunity. Don't want to lose your ship? Don't undock in it.
Because you choose to waste ammo shooting at someone who will re-dock, you want to massively remap the PvP situation on stations? Would this be selfish or just short sighted? The first day you undock and get lagged to infinity, you will be back complaining about the change id wager.
The reality is that if this change goes in, you wont need more than a single interceptor on a station to catch everyone coming out. And the idea of windows in the station is a pipe dream becase of the structure of the game and the 3d engine. Essentially this will make every station a kickout station with no ability to instaundock. Thats right, when you undock that battleship it will take a lot of time to get into warp and if you get scrammed you are dead.
The only 0.0 people that could possibly like this are habitual dock campers that want to get the quick kill. This gives a MASSIVE advantage to the dock camper as they can just sit in dock range and if you come out in something bigger they dock. Essentially the dock camper now has 100% reward rate with little if any risk. Im sure the solo, risk-averse pirates would absolutely LOVE this.
Now make it so when you camp the station you MUST sit 5km off the dock range minimum then we have a more equal playing field.
In the end, however, such a change to the game must be very carefully considered. It is not a minor tweak, it is a significant and sweeping change that must be made for carefully considered reasons, not merely to spread people out in jita. I swear many decisions being made seem like the decision makers have never even played the game.
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Rells
Caldari
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.21 03:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 21/02/2008 03:29:04
Originally by: Xykanth Roldeir
Edited by: Xykanth Roldeir on 20/02/2008 07:41:13
People still have instas? 
I thought those were all nerfed to unusable status over a year ago. During my days in 0.0 I had never even heard of Insta undocks. I agree that there should be a way to check for hostiles outside of station before undocking. But insta's must die and stay dead.
I like the statements another player made about engagements right at docking range. I like the idea if you took damage say during the last 10 seconds you can't dock. Another idea is ships within say like a 5km radius of the station cannot lock. Adjust the anti lock range as might be appriate maybe even up to 15km.
Both of your suggestions encourage station ganking and blobbing. All you need is to shoot the target and he can never dock. Such a thing would RADICALLY change the mechanics of the game.
The issue isn't so much even the undocks as much as it is, once again, Eve devs seemingly making a change without considering its wider impact. Such a change to undocking and docking would radically change PVP mechanics and encourage yet more scan alts and other things used to circumvent poor design issues.
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