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Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
844
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:34:00 -
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I love this way of locking overview when mouse is over it. :)
(and its not only because i have left arm broken atm.)
just its so much more natural and faster for me. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Villore Accords
80
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:36:00 -
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Daneel Trevize wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:EDIT - to the guy above me, clearly you have never assigned a shortcut button or used the default (x) to broadcast target and is still using the right click menu for some reason. I'd need to find/set shortcuts for Broadcast Align To and Warp to, I'm not often broadcasting targets to be locked atm. Also right-clicking to then fleet-warp. Hard to mess up the options when there's text descriptions being clicked, and do/did X and other fleet shortcuts also freeze the overview?
Fleet warp from right click in space - no problem
Other shortcuts are not hiding from you, their settings are where they have always been.
Freezing the overview is a bane to pvp, specifically it reduces awareness of what and where things are happening on grid. |
Johanne D'Arc
Rhine and Courtesan
36
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:39:00 -
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Oh dear....
Frozen overviews populate in a seemingly random fashion which is nigh on useless.
Running multiple monitors freezes the overviews on other screens while working on a different one. Absolutely NOT helpful.
Is this some kind of ISK sink attempt? Seriously, you guys need to learn to test these things before patching. |
Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
844
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:44:00 -
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Johanne D'Arc wrote:Oh dear....
Frozen overviews populate in a seemingly random fashion which is nigh on useless.
Running multiple monitors freezes the overviews on other screens while working on a different one. Absolutely NOT helpful.
Is this some kind of ISK sink attempt? Seriously, you guys need to learn to test these things before patching.
All is tested on SiSi... and as i am aware of... noone complained.
And its so funny what reasons for complaining eve players can find: "brackets blink too slow now" is now the funniest.
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Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:46:00 -
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Such a bad change. All of the overview changes I see. Bad. Bad. Bad.
Firstly. All my columns are resized for no reason, not a huge deal but ****, I thought I was done with resizing **** after every patch. (Also the way you resize, by it affecting only the top bar so you're not sure how much to resize is silly, old way worked easier)
Secondly. It used to be that in the Type or Name columns it would say "Stargate (odeb" and then be cut off because thats as much as I need to know which stargate it is. Now it says "Stargate (o..." THANKS A LOT. Can we please turn elipses off? It's USELESS.
Thirdly. The making one column grey because that's what is sorted - although makes sense from a design point of view, aesthetically it's not great and it seems unneeded, I rarely change my sort criteria for it to confuse me. Either by name or distance.
And finaly. The hovering over to freeze the overview is just uneeded? When I'm waiting for someoen to jump through the gate, I'm waiting with my mouse where they would be (12km) waiting for them to pop up. I guess now I put it at the bottom, but if for some reason I have an already filled overview, say, in high sec. This is really not cool.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Villore Accords
81
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:49:00 -
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Crucis Cassiopeiae wrote:Johanne D'Arc wrote:Oh dear....
Frozen overviews populate in a seemingly random fashion which is nigh on useless.
Running multiple monitors freezes the overviews on other screens while working on a different one. Absolutely NOT helpful.
Is this some kind of ISK sink attempt? Seriously, you guys need to learn to test these things before patching. All is tested on SiSi... and as i am aware of... noone complained. And its so funny what reasons for complaining eve players can find: "brackets blink too slow now" is now the funniest.
The guy with zero pvp experience thinking hes qualified to comment on how people should feel about changes and their impact on pvp is always a good one too.
SISI isnt usually a place to test fleet fights on the small / med scale i usually fight, most people prob didnt notice the overview lock anyway and those that did prob thought it was another sisi bug and ignored it like they do most of the other bugs they see lol. |
Funkert
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
4
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:50:00 -
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i just went afk for 10 mins on one of the busiest empire gates. Accidentally left my mouse on the overview. Whoops!
does anyone at ccp actually still play eve?
anyway, i read above me that some people actually like it. so make it optional, give us a dropdown where we can choose between hold-ctrl or mouseover for overview freeze. Or take it out again :( |
Eyor
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:53:00 -
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can't believe i'm +1'ing a PL' s post.......................*sigh* |
saltrock0000
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
42
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:54:00 -
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When using more than 1 monitor, the overview will freeze on the monitor without current mouse focus on it. This happens even when running in fixed window mode.
The freezing of overview on the monitor without focus is really bad for people duelboxing in pvp sorting by distance, and will cause deaths i fear |
Aquila Draco
108
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Posted - 2012.02.16 16:58:00 -
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Thanks CCP!
And this new way of locking overview is fantastic! <3 |
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Villore Accords
81
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:00:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:When using more than 1 monitor, the overview will freeze on the monitor without current mouse focus on it. This happens even when running in fixed window mode.
The freezing of overview on the monitor without focus is really bad for people duelboxing in pvp sorting by distance, and will cause deaths i fear
Yes, you can avoid it by making sure that when you move you mouse from the left screen to the right, that you do so without leaving the screen in the area of overview. My overview is 2/3 of hte height of my screen so i have to move my mouse to the top and go around the overview to the right hand screen in order to prevent locking hte left screens overview.
This is of course unacceptable in and of itself. The person who decided this was a good idea needs to be given the job of tea lady and let someone else have a go. Surely they can find some homeless person on the street who can do a better job??? |
Funkert
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
4
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:00:00 -
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saltrock0000 wrote:When using more than 1 monitor, the overview will freeze on the monitor without current mouse focus on it. This happens even when running in fixed window mode.
The freezing of overview on the monitor without focus is really bad for people duelboxing in pvp sorting by distance, and will cause deaths i fear
edit: nvm guy above me already explained it |
Dancul1001
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
20
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:03:00 -
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I can understand the new changes to "enhance" the game as ccp would put it. But the overview freezing when ever your mouse hovers over it is stupid IMO. I can understand if people like it but please at least give me an option to turn it off cause i think it is dumb as ****. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
363
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:09:00 -
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Why can't I still see the full station and stargate names/info without expanding my overview 2x the width I had it set before?
Why does holding the mouse over the overview on one client also freeze the overview on my other clients?
Why does CCP feel they need to "fix" things that work just fine that no one is complaining about?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Morkus Rex
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
2
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:09:00 -
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Disdaine wrote:I rea... h... t... n... trunca... overiv... colu...
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This!
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Eyor
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:09:00 -
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inb4 CCP makes it so that you automatically "look at" anything your mouse hovers over on the GUI lol |
Aquila Draco
108
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:12:00 -
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Sorry but... Why noone of ppl who complains after every patch dont come to SiSi and test anything there and give feedback before change goes live???
You ppl like when devs spend their time in vain on reading complains after change is live and then changing changes because few ppl dont like it? |
Eyor
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:15:00 -
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Aquila Draco wrote:Sorry but... Why noone of ppl who complains after every patch dont come to SiSi and test anything there and give feedback before change goes live???
You ppl like when devs spend their time in vain on reading complains after change is live and then changing changes because few ppl dont like it?
Perhaps because EVE, unlike other MMO's, is a global game with 1 server and it never..............stops? So very few people would WANT to take time away from playing on the server that counts to playing on the server that doesn't count. Also, devs treat TQ like their own sisi now anyway to see how we react after something is launched. We are their primary source of feedback and bug-hunting. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Villore Accords
83
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:16:00 -
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Aquila Draco wrote:Sorry but... Why noone of ppl who complains after every patch dont come to SiSi and test anything there and give feedback before change goes live???
You ppl like when devs spend their time in vain on reading complains after change is live and then changing changes because few ppl dont like it?
Thats going too far. We play the game, we didnt enrol as beta testers. Holding us, the people who play the game responsible for the lack of feedback or competence of people who go pew on sisi just because they either dont have the balls or the isk to do it on tq is cheeky as ****.
This isnt a testing issue. It shouldve been completely ******* obvious that this was a bad design decision from its inception.
Dont get me wrong, im sure it doesnt matter when you are doing your worlds collide, but in pvp its gonna be a real headache for a lot of people as they realise the new overview behaviour. |
Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:18:00 -
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Aquila Draco wrote:Sorry but... Why noone of ppl who complains after every patch dont come to SiSi and test anything there and give feedback before change goes live???
You ppl like when devs spend their time in vain on reading complains after change is live and then changing changes because few ppl dont like it?
I just don't have the time to keep updating a SiSi client then checking for new things and making sure they didn't screw anything up.
In between masturbating and playing on TQ, the rest of my time is spent sleeping.
If they wanted to pay me however. Gladly! |
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Funkert
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
4
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:31:00 -
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Aquila Draco wrote:Sorry but... Why noone of ppl who complains after every patch dont come to SiSi and test anything there and give feedback before change goes live???
You ppl like when devs spend their time in vain on reading complains after change is live and then changing changes because few ppl dont like it? because i pay money for TQ.
edit: i'm all for occasionally testing stuff on sisi, but don't act like it's a responsibility we have. People do it either because they can spare the time, or because they want to get some kind of advantage out of it |
Johanne D'Arc
Rhine and Courtesan
37
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:44:00 -
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Yeah, no.
I don't see how it is my responsibility to keep 10-15gb of HDD space aside and keep abreast of test server updates to do, in my own spare time, for free, the work that someone at CCP ought to be doing.
I can only suggest they get some competent people on their QA, people that undock once in a while. Most of these issues should be blatant to anyone well within 5 minutes of logging into the client. |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:58:00 -
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khm,khm
Overview changes broke someones botts? |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Villore Accords
83
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:00:00 -
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Elanor Vega wrote:khm,khm
Overview changes broke someones botts?
Check the combat records of the people who are complaining then check the non-existent combat records of those that arnt. Then check yourself. |
Yogsoloth
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
19
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:01:00 -
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#15Posted: 2012.02.16 14:24 | Report
It's really bizzarre how CCP manages to F up nearly everything they mess with these days.
While the text appears smaller, it really doesn't allow you to resize your overview, or columns any smaller. Any change that you can make to that end is really insignificant at best.
Whats worse, is that the text appears smaller but is really just harder to read. In fact, if you'd like your text to look similiar to the way it looked previously you have make the text larger, columns wider, and overview size larger.
The net difference of this patch is really a larger overview than before, which I believe is the exact opposite effect they were looking for. gj CCP. |
DEFIER ORILIS
DEFIANCE FRENETIC REGIMENT
8
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:02:00 -
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Dang!!! The reviews are not that great for this patch.
I would suggest to hire Beta testers instead of using us as Beta Tester. I am not paying CCP to be a Beta Tester, they should pay me instead! Dang!!! |
Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
94
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:07:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:khm,khm
Overview changes broke someones botts? Check the combat records of the people who are complaining then check the non-existent combat records of those that arnt. Then check yourself.
I am not talking about mains of that ppl that complain. I am talking about botting alts that finance that combat records of some ppl.
And for your information, EVE is not all about pew pew combat, there are other kinds of combat that don't give you killmails. |
ViRUS Pottage
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
3
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:09:00 -
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90% UI scale and small text on Overview looks terrible. Also when dual boxing one of your clients' overview will freeze up. Not sure on the circumstances but my alt is FAR behind. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Villore Accords
86
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:11:00 -
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Elanor Vega wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:khm,khm
Overview changes broke someones botts? Check the combat records of the people who are complaining then check the non-existent combat records of those that arnt. Then check yourself. I am not talking about mains of that ppl that complain. I am talking about botting alts that finance that combat records of some ppl. And for your information, EVE is not all about pew pew combat, there are other kinds of combat that don't give you killmails.
What an interesting but also pointless post in a thread about feedback on overview changes. Regardless of how anyone finances their pvp, the changes to the overview **** with pvp.
The little i know about bots leads me to believe they can read an overview faster than i can even if it is in some ****** up order because of this patch. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
994
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Posted - 2012.02.16 18:24:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Elanor Vega wrote:khm,khm
Overview changes broke someones botts? Check the combat records of the people who are complaining then check the non-existent combat records of those that arnt. Then check yourself.
Feel free to check mine.
Most of the complains here center around a muscle memory issue that will take a day or so to retrain... get used to putting your mouse over the overview when you want to freeze it to target or broadcast, and over other critical area's (like changing already locked targets, activating/deactivating modules, changing your heading) at other times.
The ctrl/freeze behavior needed to change, badly, and this HAS been mentioned many times. for obvious reasons.
The issues that do need tweaking are the column width/header issues, and multiple client behavior when the mouse changes screen. Neither one is major, and will likely be a fairly quick fix. Placement of new target and broadcast targets when the overview is frozen may need to be looked at as well.
I fully understand the desire for heavily combat oriented pilots to not have to look around or try to do something differently when in the midst of combat. We wish to be able to do certain things without having to think about it, so as to pay attention to more important things... this means when a change occurs it will likely receive a poor reception at first. This is understandable, but frankly some of the responses have been pretty silly.
I would suggest trying it for a few days before you pass judgement, allow yourself time to get used to it. The advantages are pretty obvious once you get past old habits.
When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
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