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Don Juanito
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Posted - 2008.02.19 03:31:00 -
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The Golem's tank is a bit over the top IMO. It shouldn't take 4 gank BS's just to break through the tank of another BS. This thing is worse than the old passive (and new passive) drakes, except that instead of lol dps, its lobbing blaster mega damage at you via torpedoes, and probably firing neuts as well. I think the other marauders are pretty well balanced (except for the vargur), but this one is clearly over the top.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.19 03:36:00 -
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Use ECM...? 
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 Originally by: Praxis1452
you win eve
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Kira Novia
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Posted - 2008.02.19 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: Kira Novia on 19/02/2008 03:37:40
I knew it! I knew it would only be a matter of time before someone started to cry about the Golem being over-powered.
The Golem IS NOT over-powered. In order to have a tank like that, you're talking billions. If someone can field something like that in PvP, so be it. It just means that someone can actually fly a ship better than you and has more money. Stop whining.
PS: The Maelstrom gets the same shield boosting bonus. The Golem just have Tech-II resistances. Stop complaining.
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Don Juanito
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Posted - 2008.02.19 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Don Juanito on 19/02/2008 03:50:45
Originally by: Kira Novia
Edited by: Kira Novia on 19/02/2008 03:37:40
I knew it! I knew it would only be a matter of time before someone started to cry about the Golem being over-powered.
The Golem IS NOT over-powered. In order to have a tank like that, you're talking billions. If someone can field something like that in PvP, so be it. It just means that someone can actually fly a ship better than you and has more money. Stop whining.
PS: The Maelstrom gets the same shield boosting bonus. The Golem just have Tech-II resistances. Stop complaining.
golem has an extra mid slot.
im also pretty sure that money isnt the factor by which the game is balanced, or else titans would still have a remote DDD and moms would still be untouchable in lowsec. especially given how easy it is to make isk
edit- the golem also doesnt run out of 800's nearly as fast as a maelstrom (hello huge cargo bay), so it can keep that high dps tank up for much much longer. it also does more damage. at the same time.
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Kira Novia
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Posted - 2008.02.19 03:54:00 -
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Doesn't change anything. If you throw enough ISK into any ship, it's going to have one hell of a tank on it.
I've watched a Kronos tank 3 Mega's and 2 Abaddon's. How, you ask? Because the Krono's pilot had a 9Bn set up.
Cry more.
There is an EASY WAY to handle tanking battleships in PvP. They're called ECM and Neuts. Use them. This is a PERFECT EXAMPLE why this game is going down hill. Every five seconds, someone cries and wants something nerfed.
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Ariel Dawn
Beets and Gravy Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.19 03:57:00 -
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Maelstrom does more DPS than a Golem.
ISK is an important factor in balance and accessibility. There is a reason why everyone doesn't fly Titans/Moms.
A single racial ECM removes the Golem from the fight permanently. If it fits an ECCM, it has the same tank as a Maelstrom and less DPS.
Golem runs an active tank. Use energy neutralizers to break it, cap injectors cannot keep up under neuts.
A CNR will completely obliterate a Golem in a PvP setup and is a far more fearsome foe to face.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.19 03:58:00 -
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Oh, wait, are you going to complain now that it takes four gank frigates to break the tank of a single faction-fited assault frigate now ?
And, I don't know, capitals are also like that... takes 3 or more of them to break the decently-setup tank of another capital, and that's without using crystal implants (which, you know, don't work anyway).
I really fail to see a problem in that.
Seriously, it's not like it CAN fit "that" kind of tank you're talking about WHILE also making it last a good while AND spewing "blaster-level damage" with any reasonably-costing fit.
Also, yes, the ISK is one of the main factors the game is balanced on, keyword "balanced".
You CAN still destroy that ship with LESS ISK as it cost him to set it up, so it IS balanced.
Also, a single freaking EWar frigate could almost permanently neuter it (unless you suddendly start claiming he has cruise fited and using FoF, while also having the speed to reach the friggy fast enough, while also tanking like you said it tanks) and so on and so forth.
Bottom line ?
Don't bring swords to a gunfight.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.19 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Don Juanito
its lobbing blaster mega damage at you via torpedoes, and probably firing neuts as well.
Oh noes... a non-turret ship that does OMG DPS. And costs 10x as much as a fully T2 fit blaster mega, not to mention the higher skill requirements. And for fear of sounding like a broken record: MARAUDERS Have low sensor strength and I could lock one down in a T1 fit Griffin... Get some people in your gang who fly something other than damage ships.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.19 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
Originally by: Don Juanito
its lobbing blaster mega damage at you via torpedoes, and probably firing neuts as well.
Oh noes... a non-turret ship that does OMG DPS. And costs 10x as much as a fully T2 fit blaster mega, not to mention the higher skill requirements. And for fear of sounding like a broken record: MARAUDERS Have low sensor strength and I could lock one down in a T1 fit Griffin... Get some people in your gang who fly something other than damage ships.
why would you do something like that!?!?!?!
just pew pew!!!
e-war is clearly for nubs!!!
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Sylthi
Minmatar
Coreward Pan-Galactic
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Posted - 2008.02.19 06:13:00 -
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Golem is NOT overpowered. IMHO all Marauders are borderline usless with such an obvious weakness. (I.E. Low sensor strength.)
Golems in particular are EASY to take down. And I mean, SUPER easy. I have personally taken down three Golems in the past month(s) in 1v1 PvP combat in my NON-faction fit Apoc. Believe it or not, I really don't care, but, it's the truth.
You don't even HAVE to fit ECM, although it does really help.
Defender missiles anyone?? The Golem only has 4 launcher spots. I am amazed how many people forget how easy it is to nerf the hell out of missile spammers with those little babies. Mount two Assaults loaded with defenders and watch the Golem's DPS go into the sewer. The rest is just standard pew-pew tactics.
Instead of railing against ship designs in the forums try: Knowing your enemy before you choose to engage. Jeeze people, its not that hard...
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2008.02.19 06:37:00 -
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I've killed more than my fair share solo in my tempest.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.02.19 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Bryg Philomena
I've killed more than my fair share solo in my tempest.
/me goes to locater agent because i wants solo golem kills
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zayanka
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:32:00 -
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if u need 4 gank bs to take 1 golem dowm, then it means that your skills are crap !!!! In a faction fit with gist booster, gist hardeners and DG invuls this ship tanks around 1200 dps. 1 proper gank bs does around 1000-1200 dps damage !!!
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Weeaboot
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: zayanka
if u need 4 gank bs to take 1 golem dowm, then it means that your skills are crap !!!! In a faction fit with gist booster, gist hardeners and DG invuls this ship tanks around 1200 dps. 1 proper gank bs does around 1000-1200 dps damage !!!
EFT more, try half the dps and you are closer to real numbers. A tank's numbers are pretty close to or even higher than EFT, gank is not.
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Weeaboot
Originally by: zayanka
if u need 4 gank bs to take 1 golem dowm, then it means that your skills are crap !!!! In a faction fit with gist booster, gist hardeners and DG invuls this ship tanks around 1200 dps. 1 proper gank bs does around 1000-1200 dps damage !!!
EFT more, try half the dps and you are closer to real numbers. A tank's numbers are pretty close to or even higher than EFT, gank is not.
what?
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Weeaboot
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:12:00 -
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what?
Does your little gank ship do 12355 dps all the time, is real pvp always under perfect circumstances? I hope you know the answer.
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Weeaboot
what?
Does your little gank ship do 12355 dps all the time, is real pvp always under perfect circumstances? I hope you know the answer.
geddon + web + drones against another battleship?
id say yes? and thats my regular setup.
not 12355dps though... thats just ridiculous.
probably closer to 1100.
but you are talking nonsense.
golems still arent "overpowered" though.
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agent apple
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:34:00 -
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Is it a dread? No its a golem!
Just to add that this would still die to most gangs and that EFT isn't everything.
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Alex Verrel
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: agent apple
Is it a dread? No its a golem!
I am not totally sure, but wouldn't it be possible to buy a dread complete with a dread pilot for the cost of that setup? :)
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.19 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Verrel
Originally by: agent apple
Is it a dread? No its a golem!
I am not totally sure, but wouldn't it be possible to buy a dread complete with a dread pilot for the cost of that setup? :)
Easily. Also, that setup would lose all its active modules to heat in under 30 seconds 
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Darth Felin
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Posted - 2008.02.19 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Verrel
Originally by: agent apple
Is it a dread? No its a golem!
I am not totally sure, but wouldn't it be possible to buy a dread complete with a dread pilot for the cost of that setup? :)
You are completly wrong. You can buy several of them
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.02.19 12:09:00 -
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Isn't it obvious that the weak spot on the Golem (a pretty damn obvious one too) is the sensor strength. As already mentioned if you've got an average jammer you're going to keep it out of the fight permanently unless they comprimise the tank to make up the deficit.
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Pantaloon McPants
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Posted - 2008.02.19 14:00:00 -
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ecm + neuts = 1 useless/dead golem
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.02.19 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ariel Dawn
Maelstrom does more DPS than a Golem.
*Scratches head.* Under which circumstances and against what targets?
Both will be able to fit top tier weaponry and use 3 lows for damage mods. Torps do more damage than 800mm under optimal conditions - a lot more actually. Not to mention the ability to choose damage types to 100%. So which situation are you depicting here?
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Weeaboot
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Posted - 2008.02.19 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: X99 Z990
Originally by: Weeaboot
what?
Does your little gank ship do 12355 dps all the time, is real pvp always under perfect circumstances? I hope you know the answer.
geddon + web + drones against another battleship?
id say yes? and thats my regular setup.
not 12355dps though... thats just ridiculous.
probably closer to 1100.
but you are talking nonsense.
golems still arent "overpowered" though.
That's my point.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2008.02.19 14:56:00 -
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Kunming
The Coalition Of Buccaneers
Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2008.02.21 13:43:00 -
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The complaint is not about the dmg of golem but the tank, ECM only sorts out the dmg but does nothing about the real problem.
Golem is almost a semi capital..
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Gypsio III
Darkness Inc.
Blood Blind
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Posted - 2008.02.21 13:53:00 -
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The Golem's tank is a bit over the top IMO. It shouldn't take 4 gank BS's just to break through the tank of another BS. This thing is worse than the old passive (and new passive) drakes
Another clueless whine, more people moaning that it's so UNFAIR that they can't gank a solo ship that is no threat to them quickly enough.
And yes, a single ship without tackle is no real threat to anyone. I very much doubt that this Golem had MWD, web and scram? And good luck fitting heavy neuts on a torp-Golem, with its lol powergrid.
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William Alex
Viscosity
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 14:14:00 -
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Hello, I'm Scissors. Nerf Rock, Paper is ok!
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Nu Wa
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Posted - 2008.02.21 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: Nu Wa on 21/02/2008 15:29:48
To all the people saying EW, how does jamming the golem make its tank any less powerful, especially if he's running on cap charges?
I think the OP was complaining about the tank(which I disagree with), not overall pvp ability.
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