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Hoth Clone
Minmatar Wandering Stars Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Hoth Clone on 20/02/2008 19:12:00 Im skilling for PvP now and was wondering what could take on a HAC? (Amarr if it makes a difference). What kind of fittings would that ship need?
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UGLYUGLY
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: UGLYUGLY on 20/02/2008 19:19:12 The curse is quite good depending on the hac, Sacrilege will probably be your best bet. Gang fit, plated geddon or abbadon with 1 or 2 large neuts will also get the job done. Harbinger could also do it.
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Hoth Clone
Minmatar Wandering Stars Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Hoth Clone on 20/02/2008 19:21:20 Are there any good minmatar ones to fight it?
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Hoth Clone Edited by: Hoth Clone on 20/02/2008 19:21:20 Are there any good minmatar ones to fight it?
Please clarify the question? You fly: xxxx They fly: xxxx you or they are in the HAC?
-Liang -- My new keyboard is awesome... I can type again (beware Eve-O spreaders of misinformation!) |
Hoth Clone
Minmatar Wandering Stars Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:25:00 -
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They are in the HAC I want to know what to skill for.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hoth Clone Edited by: Hoth Clone on 20/02/2008 19:21:20 Are there any good minmatar ones to fight it?
Vagabond v. Sacrilege is kind of a wash. If it's a tanking sacrilige, the vagabond will never, ever kill it unless it wants to get in with phased plasma which is - at best - a risky proposition.
Nanosacrilege is probably even more boring :P but I don't think the vagabond can win if the sac is fitting a medium rep.
Zealot v. Vagabond is an interesting proposition simply because for the most part, if the vaga can hit the zealot, the zealot can hit the vaga about as well and the latter hits a LOT harder. I had a standard zealot (non-nano) on Sisi a few weeks ago and 1v1'd a vaga... he got toasted pretty good. Still, that's just one fight.
Don't know anything about the muninn. __________________________________
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Scots Crusader
Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:28:00 -
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It is all horses for courses bud. E.G. a Vaga's biggest threat would be a Rapier/Huginn. So the answer is, it depends on the HAC. -----------------------------------------------
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zwerg
Macabre Votum Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:30:00 -
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hurricane will always beat a hac with a smart pilot. except vagabond probably , though you will be able to force the vaga pilot warp off with some luck. for the fittings i use:
6x 220 Vulcan II , 2x Med Nos 1x Med Cap Inj. 1x 10mn MWD , 1x Scram, 1x Web 2x MAR II, 2x EANM II , 2x Gyrostabilizer II
rigs for choice ( speedness, tankness, gankness all good imho )
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zwerg
Macabre Votum Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Scots Crusader It is all horses for courses bud. E.G. a Vaga's biggest threat would be a Rapier/Huginn. So the answer is, it depends on the HAC.
this
and: but if you look at the whole "how can i beat ship x in my ship x" thing would be totally bull. you will never be able to discuss (in general!) some ship vs ship , always up to the pilot the experience of ofc skillz.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: zwerg hurricane will always beat a hac with a smart pilot. except vagabond probably , though you will be able to force the vaga pilot warp off with some luck. for the fittings i use:
6x 220 Vulcan II , 2x Med Nos 1x Med Cap Inj. 1x 10mn MWD , 1x Scram, 1x Web 2x MAR II, 2x EANM II , 2x Gyrostabilizer II
rigs for choice ( speedness, tankness, gankness all good imho )
Brief aside here - I actually got webbed in my sacrilege by a hurricane at point-blank range and he had a MAR and a 1600 RT plate for me to chew through, and nos in the highs. It didn't save him >_>
Hurricane's a good ship to be sure but I wouldn't say it could take down any (non-vaga) HAC. Maybe his skills just sucked though, I dunno. He had t2 guns at least :P __________________________________
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flexd
The Illuminati. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:40:00 -
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That guy must have sucked then, cause i can pretty much tear up ships in my Hurricane, plated, and with webs and Hail M, it's rape. -
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Firkragg
PREDATORS OF DESTRUCTION
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:43:00 -
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i tend to worry about huginns as if they are clever they will web me out of ham range in my sac. Usually they wont have the dps to kill me but if i run out of cap boosters it might get messy.
Hurricans can put out scary dps but generally i tend to be faster than them and just keep it at range. If its shield tanked and nano'd i can generally tank it and burn through its shields pretty sharpish
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: Terianna Eri on 20/02/2008 19:50:42
Originally by: flexd That guy must have sucked then, cause i can pretty much tear up ships in my Hurricane, plated, and with webs and Hail M, it's rape.
Well, he wasn't carrying phased plasma, which is probably why he died. I didn't say I wasted him, just that he didn't win. It was a close fight... he was carrying barrage and RF EMP though so he wasn't a noob.
(I'll bet he carries RF PP now though )
I'd like to watch you fire hail at a sacrilege though. Amarr T2 + resist bonus + EANM + DC = some absurd explosive resists.
Edit: @ Firkragg - do you carry javelin missiles? They can hit out to like 60-odd km or something silly like that. __________________________________
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.02.20 19:56:00 -
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Solo? Another nanoHAC. Not a Rapier or a Huginn 1v1, you'll be outgunned. Curse is lethal. Any cap injected BC/command ship MWDing to them constantly has a shot at forcing them to cap out depending on what HAC they're flying. If it's a harb, you can just shoo them off by nailing it with scorch. Any BS with a heavy neut and they'll be running.
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Daanika
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Posted - 2008.02.20 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Daanika on 20/02/2008 23:12:56
Originally by: zwerg hurricane will always beat a hac with a smart pilot. except vagabond probably , though you will be able to force the vaga pilot warp off with some luck. for the fittings i use:
6x 220 Vulcan II , 2x Med Nos 1x Med Cap Inj. 1x 10mn MWD , 1x Scram, 1x Web 2x MAR II, 2x EANM II , 2x Gyrostabilizer II
rigs for choice ( speedness, tankness, gankness all good imho )
Wanna play with my Sacrilege?
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Last Wolf
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2008.02.20 23:48:00 -
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Domi with nuets, and tracking link boosted tech II garde(short range)/bouncers(Long range)
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Lithel
Amarr The Soviet Galactic Union
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Posted - 2008.02.21 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Solo? Another nanoHAC. Not a Rapier or a Huginn 1v1, you'll be outgunned. Curse is lethal.
The curse is not a HAC !!!! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.02.21 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lithel
The curse is not a HAC !!!!
I'm listing counters to HAC. Rapiers, huginns, and battleships with neuts aren't HAC either, if you didn't catch that.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.21 01:08:00 -
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800mm ac tempest with webs and overload and heavy neuts
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Cpt Branko
Surge. Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.02.21 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: zwerg hurricane will always beat a hac with a smart pilot. except vagabond probably , though you will be able to force the vaga pilot warp off with some luck.
Honestly, Vagabonds never worried me in a Hurricane, I can always force them to warp off quite easily (as can a Harbringer, for instance). Preety much the same goes for a Zealot, although it's somewhat more dangerous given it does better DPS at range then a Vagabond does.
The HACs which do worry me are Ishtars (due to the very high DPS), and especially and particularly Sacriledges (very solid DPS, can have a absolutely mean tank if tanked), but a sacriledge would *probably* lose or disengage to a well-skilled Hurricane (meaning, BC V, etc).
Munnins I've never fought (well, did twice, but one was a bait setup, and the second time I had dual webs because I refitted for catching something specific instead of the standard web+distruptor and he got away before the stupid tackler got there).
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2008.02.21 10:43:00 -
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Most command ships could probably get the job done easy enough.
Vagas / Nano-fits aside.
Although youll most likely be able to hit the vaga if it can hit you!
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 10:44:00 -
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Edited by: Setana Manoro on 21/02/2008 10:45:53 Edited by: Setana Manoro on 21/02/2008 10:44:49
Originally by: flexd That guy must have sucked then, cause i can pretty much tear up ships in my Hurricane, plated, and with webs and Hail M, it's rape.
Guess what is the highest resist on amarr HACs ?
Depends on HAC. Generally, if it is webbed, a Tier 1 BC has a good shot at killing him, and a Tier 2 has an even better shot at that. Depends even more on pilot.
Everything aside, i wouldn't be a bit surprised if the Sac got hit with the nerf-bat in the near future, even though ppl whine about nano-ishtars, sacs were just too good with Khanid MK2.
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Hoth Clone
Minmatar Wandering Stars Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: Hoth Clone on 21/02/2008 19:13:32
Originally by: zwerg
Originally by: Scots Crusader It is all horses for courses bud. E.G. a Vaga's biggest threat would be a Rapier/Huginn. So the answer is, it depends on the HAC.
this
and: but if you look at the whole "how can i beat ship x in my ship x" thing would be totally bull. you will never be able to discuss (in general!) some ship vs ship , always up to the pilot the experience of ofc skillz.
The other person im looking into fighting is a crapy pvper but I dont wanna go in with a crapy ship or setup. I think its a sac but his skills were crap last I knew. He used to get his BS blown up every time he went to low sec in like 10 seconds and he couldnt hit me when I was in a rifter and he was in a geddon. But I get what your saying and im only looking for a good guess on what to fight it with. Once again Minmatar stuff please.
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Crazy Tasty
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Daanika Edited by: Daanika on 20/02/2008 23:12:56
Originally by: zwerg hurricane will always beat a hac with a smart pilot. except vagabond probably , though you will be able to force the vaga pilot warp off with some luck. for the fittings i use:
6x 220 Vulcan II , 2x Med Nos 1x Med Cap Inj. 1x 10mn MWD , 1x Scram, 1x Web 2x MAR II, 2x EANM II , 2x Gyrostabilizer II
rigs for choice ( speedness, tankness, gankness all good imho )
Wanna play with my Sacrilege?
Was just about to say that. Blanket statements are bad, but all the HAC pilots I know could spank most solo canes.
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slothe
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:41:00 -
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bs with large neutralisers
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Gort
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Gort on 21/02/2008 20:54:28 Edited by: Gort on 21/02/2008 20:53:25 There are no "I win" buttons in Eve.
Edit: For very long anyhow, cause they get gelded.
Edit-edit: Just ask the Amarr....
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Skyblue
Karjala Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:54:00 -
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Snaked & Nanoed Sleipnir with a web is quite decent for killing hacs.
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Gort
Storm Guard Elite
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:56:00 -
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Run of the mill Machariel should do nicely.
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Limpsauce
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Posted - 2008.02.22 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Skyblue Snaked & Nanoed Sleipnir with a web is quite decent for killing hacs.
Yeah, leaves 2 slots for a tank... can you even fly one? Putting a web on a Sleipnir's oh so precious tanking mid slots is just madness assuming you already have the mwd and scram fitted. Leave the webbing to other ships.
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goodby4u
Logistic Technologies Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.02.22 04:39:00 -
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If you want something that can hold its ground(might not necessarily kill)any hac tank etc...Go with the absolution or sleipnir,with the absolution I can hit anything past scram range so nano boats arent an issue,and pump out about 700 dps up close with a tank thats able to withstand against most hacs,not to mention this boat can tankt he sentries and possibly take on some bses. This is what happens when a kestrel with thermal missiles declares war on earth
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