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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.02.22 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 22/02/2008 14:55:01 EVE is a special game.
We get an adrenaline rush when we PVP.
Why?
Because when you enter combat, you are committing the following to possible loss:
All the time you spent getting the isk to get the ship All the time you spent getting the isk to get the modules All the time you spent actually getting the ship All the time you spent going around in a frenzy picking up the mods (or) All the time you spent lagging in Jita trying to get the mods All the time you spent in EVE Fitting tool making sure your setup WILL FIT All the time you spent testing it against your friends and corpmates All the time you spent...
Losing your stuff sucks. Which is why you get a rush when you engage in combat. Because while losing your stuff really sucks... losing the TIME YOU SPENT getting it sucks even more :(
EVE is not about losing your ship, then respawning and pushing a series of buttons to give you the best possible loadout, nor is it a race to whoever can get the biggest stuff the fastest. It involves a lot of time and patience to be successful. It is not mindless like some games, it is not "instant gratification."
EVE is a test of your ability to utilize your time efficiently.
:)
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Svetlanka Chernobyl
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Posted - 2008.02.22 15:10:00 -
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This is part of the reason I love eve. The last game that gave me the same adrenaline rush was EQ in beta and the first few live months, before they gave into the whining about loosing all of your inventory. Even though I hated loosing items, the pure adrenaline rush made up for it. That feeling in your stomach as you are running to save everything you have earned, the racing heart beat. Good stuff
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH
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Posted - 2008.02.22 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Losing your stuff sucks. Which is why you get a rush when you engage in combat. Because while losing your stuff really sucks... Making the other guy lose HIS stuff is teh awesum!
There ya go, fixed it for ya
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Vasili vonHolst
Minmatar Gargamel's Lair
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Posted - 2008.02.22 15:14:00 -
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Also the reason a carebear probably feels like he is going to throw up when they realize their faction battleship and fit they worker so long for is doomed. ------------------------------------------------ Movie + Trillion ISK In damage inflicted on the Care Bear community. |
Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.22 15:16:00 -
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And yet there are people playing this game who do not want that adrenaline rush. When people say they do not want PvP, it's not that I am angry with them, it's that I simply don't understand. Not PvPing is like happily being a virgin and trying to explain the virtues to someone who just got laid.
If you don't want PvP, other games beckon. There really is no room in this game for those who wish to simply avoid all PvP and resent those who force them into it.
/makes fart noise
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Sky Grunthor
Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.22 15:18:00 -
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Edited by: Sky Grunthor on 22/02/2008 15:19:25 Hy my name is Sky...
HI SKY
.. and I'm a eveaholic.
Hello Sky we are glad you came to eveAnon. Just remember that the first step to becoming the best eveaholic there is... is to realize you are an eveaholic. Search: Sky Grunthor |
Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH
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Posted - 2008.02.22 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus And yet there are people playing this game who do not want that adrenaline rush. When people say they do not want PvP, it's not that I am angry with them, it's that I simply don't understand. Not PvPing is like happily being a virgin and trying to explain the virtues to someone who just got laid.
If you don't want PvP, other games beckon. There really is no room in this game for those who wish to simply avoid all PvP and resent those who force them into it.
What're you doing out of Kourmonen! Back to the camp, muffin man!
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Hornethius
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Posted - 2008.02.22 15:42:00 -
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This is nonsense. You get adrenaline if there is some form of suspense. PVP in EVE is so poorly designed, that in case you get engaged in PVP in a non-PVP ship you are doomed whatsoever while the other has all the chances to get away if things turn out bad for the aggressor. Who gets adrenaline from that? The outcome in non conensentual PVP is always the same. There is never a difference. It is like knowing the results of every soccer game in advance.
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Sky Grunthor
Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.22 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hornethius This is nonsense. You get adrenaline if there is some form of suspense. PVP in EVE is so poorly designed, that in case you get engaged in PVP in a non-PVP ship you are doomed whatsoever while the other has all the chances to get away if things turn out bad for the aggressor. Who gets adrenaline from that? The outcome in non conensentual PVP is always the same. There is never a difference. It is like knowing the results of every soccer game in advance.
lol... can I have your stuff?
no ofcourse your gonna lose if you are in a non-pvp ship to a pvp ship. but not because its a pvp ship...its because there are 2 or more other ships with him. Its called a gank. However that is the risk you take when you take a non-pvp ship out to low sec or 0.0
but your full of shat here. you have obviously never flown on a anit-pie patrol or been a pirate going up against anit-pies or other pies and either only go out to gank or be ganked. Its a limitation in experience or desire you are showing.
Go play wow. You won't cry so much.
Oh... CIHYS - nevermind, you must of already lost it when your got ganked. Search: Sky Grunthor |
Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH
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Posted - 2008.02.22 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Havohej on 22/02/2008 15:59:52
Originally by: Hornethius This is nonsense. You get adrenaline if there is some form of suspense. PVP in EVE is so poorly designed, that in case you get engaged in PVP in a non-PVP ship you are doomed whatsoever while the other has all the chances to get away if things turn out bad for the aggressor. Who gets adrenaline from that? The outcome in non conensentual PVP is always the same. There is never a difference. It is like knowing the results of every soccer game in advance.
An Enyo engaged me in a DED plex in 0.4 space... I was in a Rifter. I won.
Was the pvp non-consensual? From my end, no. Was the outcome a foregone conclusion? (AF vs. T1 Frigate) You would think so... but no. It wasn't.
When I solo roam in lowsec now in my Rifter, looking for anything smaller than a battlecruiser (and occasionally I engage those to, just to see if they fit a webber or not, and if not, how long it takes me to run out of ammo) I don't know if I'm going to win or lose. I don't know if I'm going to be hunted by tougher pirates. I don't know for sure when I engage that Thrasher if it's going to pwn my face, or if he's going to have a friend warp in. The heart starts pounding and my fingers hover over the hotkeys for my weapons/modules as I close distance, my mouse stands on the Keep At Range button in case I need to haul ass in the opposite direction when I see my ship get webbed.
I jumped into a 0.0 gate camp with a bubble, a sabre, a crow and 2 myrmidons. I was in a Minmatar Shuttle. I saw the camp, zoomed out, found the edge of the bubble and said a prayer. Heart pounding, I escaped and with an lol on local jumped out of the system through the next gate in my trip.
Once you learn how the game works, and figure out how to not die, you'll find that there are no foregone conclusions in EVE PvP, consensual or not.
To help you out, I link you to a guide I posted on my EvE blog about how to not die. It'll save you about 85% of the time. Learn to play EvE, don't just throw your hands up and cry every time somebody warp jams you.
Also, I advise you to do a search for "When Carebears Attack", you'll find a video with a mining barge pwning faces. There's also a video out there with a bunch of Badgers (yes, the caldari hauler) setting a trap that killed a vagabond, among other things. Behold what can happen when people learn to play and not cry for CCP to protect them.
EDIT: Corrected a typo.
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N1fty
Amarr Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.02.22 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Losing your stuff sucks. Which is why you get a rush when you engage in combat. Because while losing your stuff really sucks... Making the other guy lose HIS stuff is teh awesum!
There ya go, fixed it for ya
This is what I think.
I used to agree with the OP, but over the years its become more about the losses I inflict than the risk I am taking. --
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Qui Shon
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Posted - 2008.02.22 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Qui Shon on 22/02/2008 16:10:05 Adrenaline from a point and click game? pfft. Satisfaction from ganks? pfft. Pleasure from the displeasure of others? tsk tsk.
IL2/GTR2/GTL/WW2OL all have far superior PvP, the kind where skill, focus and their endurance is all that matter. Only problem is they don't have them shiny spaceships, or the economy.
Eve is a great game though, don't get me wrong.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.22 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hornethius Who gets adrenaline from that? The outcome in non conensentual PVP is always the same.
Always? No. Often? Yes.
The trick is avoiding unfavorable situations. If you're bringing a cap ship BPO through a .4 in a shuttle and get smartbombed, I suppose you'd whine about the inevitability of such an outcome. The reality is that you shouldn't have put yourself in that situation. Eve does not suffer idiots, even if they're paying customers. No matter what you think, you are not entitled to play this game with no regard for your own safety and not suffer consiquences. My main problem with Eve is people will not take any steps to reduce their own suffering. Of course, I also profit greatly from these morons.
/makes fart noise
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Sky Grunthor
Minmatar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.22 16:21:00 -
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I went through a muffin gate camp the other day... I think i was in a stiletto. interceptors make great couriors of bpo's and bpc's... shuttles suck. Search: Sky Grunthor |
N00byn00blar
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Posted - 2008.02.22 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus Eve does not suffer idiots, even if they're paying customers. No matter what you think, you are not entitled to play this game with no regard for your own safety and not suffer consiquences. My main problem with Eve is people will not take any steps to reduce their own suffering. Of course, I also profit greatly from these morons.
There are many different kinds of idiots. Actually let's not call them idiots, let's call them People. People are clever or dumb in different ways. For example, the guy who tries to run through a gate camp with his entire life in a T1 hauler is, shall we say, not blessed with attributes that would enhance the gene pool of people trying to get through gate camps (unless he'd calculated the risk might be worth it and lost his bet). On the other hand, the kind of person who sits on a gate camp trying to catch T1 haulers is not blessed with some other kinds of intelligence, such as compassion or social skills (not always, but in a general sense). I feel that Eve suffers the latter much more than the former.
With respect to adrenaline, you can get it when you spend 2b on a commodity and move it over to another system to sell it. Will you make a 250m profit, or a 250m loss? You get a buzz moving the commodity through high sec, because of suiciders, yes. In both of these cases, it's a positive adrenaline feeling. The only negative adrenaline feeling I've had in Eve is when I've been moving my life from one place to another and have lost that 100:1 bet and lost everything (hasn't happened recently, but when I was more of a n00b it happened more than once). That is not a very nice feeling. If it happens to you once, it takes a lot of courage to get back into the game and not hide away from the possibility of it happening again.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2008.02.22 16:55:00 -
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Adrenaline rush in EVE? Only happens when the uncertain is upon me. As soon as you get over 100 kills it goes down somewhat and the uncertainty often becomes either "I've won" or "meh, I'm going to die" (when you've just engaged someone and local jumps by 20)
It's still unrivalled by any other game I know, though
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.22 17:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sky Grunthor I went through a muffin gate camp the other day... I think i was in a stiletto. interceptors make great couriors of bpo's and bpc's... shuttles suck.
Wrong. Both are nearly identical at avoiding camps. On jump in, both will likely get away. On warp in both are susceptible to a smartbombing BS.
If you must get past a camp in a small ship with a valuable cargo, your best bet is to warp in at 100, note the location of any BS that are not hugging the gate and then warp back to the gate at zero from a location that is not inline with that BS. Simple.
The biggest mistake people make is thinking that they are safe in a small ship at any other time besides jump in (and even then they aren't safe because the campers could have a bomber at both gates, or you could be one of the rare people that uncloaks in bomb range).
But like I've noted in the past, I could write a whole guide on avoiding death by gatecamp and it would be meaningless as there are far too many stupid, lazy, impatient people so willing to fill my wallet.
/makes fart noise
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Ronja
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Posted - 2008.02.22 17:26:00 -
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adrenaline was a long time ago, now the game is just boring, same old crap. too lazy to cancel my accoutns
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.22 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: N00byn00blar On the other hand, the kind of person who sits on a gate camp trying to catch T1 haulers is not blessed with some other kinds of intelligence, such as compassion or social skills
I have compassion and social skills, I am just conservative about who gets to see this side of me. Usually my friends, but often also people who thoughtfully engage me in battle, or others who are just worthy.
The type of person who thinks they can autopilot through lowsec, or bring their CNR through well known pirate systems without a scout, is not worthy of my compassion. This is judgmental and egotistical, that I will agree upon. But that's part of being a pirate.
I'm not the type of person who is in piracy to make others miserable for the sake of being a jerk, believe it or not, most of us aren't. We're in it for the profit. In order to be profitable, however, we have to indiscriminately kill everything that attempts to pass through. It is its own test. Stupid enough to get killed by us? Stupid enough to be undeserving of my compassion.
/makes fart noise
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Yakkha
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Posted - 2008.02.22 18:31:00 -
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pee-wee-pee-ers are cool. They stand for intelligence, honor and uberness in general
Carebears suck, shame on you guys for lacking the motivation to kill others in a game. Go play WoW!...
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Kuar Z'thain
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.22 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hornethius This is nonsense. You get adrenaline if there is some form of suspense. PVP in EVE is so poorly designed, that in case you get engaged in PVP in a non-PVP ship you are doomed whatsoever while the other has all the chances to get away if things turn out bad for the aggressor. Who gets adrenaline from that? The outcome in non conensentual PVP is always the same. There is never a difference. It is like knowing the results of every soccer game in advance.
What is this 'non-PVP ship' you are referring to?
/emote gets in his battle Hulk.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.22 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Yakkha Carebears suck, shame on you guys for lacking the motivation to kill others in a game. Go play WoW!...
This sounds like a whine if anything. Nobody has any problems with carebears. What they have a problem with is that 9 times out of 10 if someone is complaining about getting ganked it's a carebear. And in turn, 9 times out of 10 it was their own fault. If you're a carebear and you jump your Hulk into lowsec without a scout and get ganked it's your fault. Nobody forced you to participate in PvP, you walked into it. There is nothing worse than a crying carebear who thought he could do whatever wanted and that nobody should be able to "force" him into PvP.
/makes fart noise
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Proazatica
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Posted - 2008.02.22 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus And yet there are people playing this game who do not want that adrenaline rush. When people say they do not want PvP, it's not that I am angry with them, it's that I simply don't understand. Not PvPing is like happily being a virgin and trying to explain the virtues to someone who just got laid.
If you don't want PvP, other games beckon. There really is no room in this game for those who wish to simply avoid all PvP and resent those who force them into it.
I am a new player. My toon has all of 5 weeks time spent on it. I've worked hard for what I have, and I don't want to lose it to some 3 year played-ganker.
I LOVE to PvP. But I'm not a complete fool. If I try to PvP vs. people that have 3-4 year old toons, I'll get my ass handed to me.
What Eve needs is a second server where people can go to get a fresh start and negate the powerhouses that have been playing for years. Since you get training when offline, the only thing that makes a HUGE difference in this game is the time you've been playing.
Yeah, yeah, don't go spouting the crap about how toons with 2 mil SP can kill a guy with 40mil sp. It don't happen that way. Cus the guy with 40mil sp also has 50 bil ISK in the bank and rides in the coupe de ville of ships. Meanwhile the dude with 2mil sp has a whopping 5 mil in the bank after buying his battleship and outfitting it.
Don't bash people that want a fair fight. Bash the morons that gank just because they can, and because they've been here forever. They are the ones that make people not want to PvP.
By the way, from the read of your post, it seems to me that you are more than likely one of those that have been hanging around for years and love nothing more than a 1-sided fight vs. some noob where you have no chance of losing. Gratz to you on being a cyber-bully.
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Alowishus
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.22 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: Proazatica
Originally by: Alowishus And yet there are people playing this game who do not want that adrenaline rush. When people say they do not want PvP, it's not that I am angry with them, it's that I simply don't understand. Not PvPing is like happily being a virgin and trying to explain the virtues to someone who just got laid.
If you don't want PvP, other games beckon. There really is no room in this game for those who wish to simply avoid all PvP and resent those who force them into it.
I am a new player. My toon has all of 5 weeks time spent on it. I've worked hard for what I have, and I don't want to lose it to some 3 year played-ganker.
I LOVE to PvP. But I'm not a complete fool. If I try to PvP vs. people that have 3-4 year old toons, I'll get my ass handed to me.
What Eve needs is a second server where people can go to get a fresh start and negate the powerhouses that have been playing for years. Since you get training when offline, the only thing that makes a HUGE difference in this game is the time you've been playing.
Yeah, yeah, don't go spouting the crap about how toons with 2 mil SP can kill a guy with 40mil sp. It don't happen that way. Cus the guy with 40mil sp also has 50 bil ISK in the bank and rides in the coupe de ville of ships. Meanwhile the dude with 2mil sp has a whopping 5 mil in the bank after buying his battleship and outfitting it.
Don't bash people that want a fair fight. Bash the morons that gank just because they can, and because they've been here forever. They are the ones that make people not want to PvP.
By the way, from the read of your post, it seems to me that you are more than likely one of those that have been hanging around for years and love nothing more than a 1-sided fight vs. some noob where you have no chance of losing. Gratz to you on being a cyber-bully.
First of all, you're assumption that 2 million SP characters don't have a chance against 3-4-year-old players is dead wrong. Most fighting in Eve is many vs. many. Join a corp, get some friends who have 40 million SP and try to help out in whatever way you can. You're guaranteed to be on at least a few kill mails against 40 million SP players.
Secondly you assume only noobs get ganked. EVERYONE gets ganked. I get ganked. If you do something stupid, you get ganked. SP makes no difference, we had a carrier pilot cyno to a random point in space in known pirate system and he got tackled, jammed and destroyed in less than ten minutes. He certainly had more SP than some of those who killed him. Stupid is stupid no matter how long you've been playing.
Third, you are simply too new to understand Eve. When we gate camp we do it for profit. A few weeks ago we killed a shuttle that had an Obelisk BPO. Smartbombed him. We made 1.2 billion, not off of someone else's suffering, but their stupidity. There is a big difference. If you're smart you prevent your own suffering. Pirates can't be held accountable for people too stupid to prevent their own suffering. There's a simple way to avoid "unfair" confrontations: YOU AVOID THEM.
Lastly, as a new player I hope you come around and realize that your logic is flawed. That Eve is not a solo game and that if you don't treat it as such, and you play smart, you will be successful from day one. Imagine if the dummy in the carrier I mentioned above brought in a few friends with him. He wouldn't have gotten his Coupe DeVille smashed by a bunch of Corollas.
/makes fart noise
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Hasak Rain
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.22 20:22:00 -
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Believe it or not, I don't get any more rush out of EvE combat then I did when I played Dark Age of Camelot and PvPed. You lose zero in DAOC. The rush for me doesn't come from knowing I could lose some meaningless in game asset. It comes from just competing.
Sure. if I flew some expensive Faction BS that I saved for a month to get and lost it in PvP, that would be a different story though.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH
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Posted - 2008.02.22 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Alowishus
First of all, you're assumption that 2 million SP characters don't have a chance against 3-4-year-old players is dead wrong. Most fighting in Eve is many vs. many. Join a corp, get some friends who have 40 million SP and try to help out in whatever way you can. You're guaranteed to be on at least a few kill mails against 40 million SP players.
Secondly you assume only noobs get ganked. EVERYONE gets ganked. I get ganked. If you do something stupid, you get ganked. SP makes no difference, we had a carrier pilot cyno to a random point in space in known pirate system and he got tackled, jammed and destroyed in less than ten minutes. He certainly had more SP than some of those who killed him. Stupid is stupid no matter how long you've been playing.
Third, you are simply too new to understand Eve. When we gate camp we do it for profit. A few weeks ago we killed a shuttle that had an Obelisk BPO. Smartbombed him. We made 1.2 billion, not off of someone else's suffering, but their stupidity. There is a big difference. If you're smart you prevent your own suffering. Pirates can't be held accountable for people too stupid to prevent their own suffering. There's a simple way to avoid "unfair" confrontations: YOU AVOID THEM.
Lastly, as a new player I hope you come around and realize that your logic is flawed. That Eve is not a solo game and that if you don't treat it as such, and you play smart, you will be successful from day one. Imagine if the dummy in the carrier I mentioned above brought in a few friends with him. He wouldn't have gotten his Coupe DeVille smashed by a bunch of Corollas.
I hate Muffin Factory corporation. Not 'cause I've got 4 or 5 loss mails sponsored by them... but because I hate the alternating of lOwErCaSe and CaPiTaL letters that they have in their corpname. I've hated that since the 80's.
That nonsensical hatred aside, everything that the good, flatulent Alowishus has said is absolutely right. This game has a very high learning curve, and it's a huge sandbox in that everybody plays on one server, one 'realm' as it were. This isn't WoW, where the carebears get their own server where they never have to PvP if they don't want to. This game simulates a real-world sort of immersion in that there are 'downtown' areas where the 'police' patrol regularly and quickly punish lawbreakers, and there are ghettos with almost no law enforcement, and even further there are frontiers with no law enforcement at all. In this game, you don't do anything that you aren't fully prepared to do... 'cause if you do, you will lose.
There are killmails on my corp's killboard with Rifters and Kestrels on them, killing battleships and such - the T1 frigates acted as tacklers and were VERY important to the kill. Do what you can for your corp/gang with what you have available.
The noob who flies his battleship into a gatecamp, with only 5M left in his wallet didn't have enough sense to know that, without being able to replace the ship, he couldn't afford to lose it and thus should not fly it. What that noob needs is a corporation that can teach him how to survive, profit and eventually excel in this game. ([DFIAS] is recruiting, btw) Some people figure this out on their own. Some people join corps and learn it from more experienced capsuleers. Others make forum posts similar to yours and then go back to WoW's "Normal" realms, avoiding the PvP realms like the plague. Maybe that would be your best option... we don't need CCP to make a new server where every system is 1.0 sec status, and we don't need them to make a new Tranquility server that is the same except for having nobody on it.
And tbh, we don't need the type of players who cry for those types of things to be implemented, either.
P.S.: /hattip to the muffin guys on that obelisk bpo. Some day I'll have such a profitable kill for the [DFIAS] kb.
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Salliene
Gallente RennTech SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.22 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Hornethius This is nonsense. You get adrenaline if there is some form of suspense. PVP in EVE is so poorly designed, that in case you get engaged in PVP in a non-PVP ship you are doomed whatsoever while the other has all the chances to get away if things turn out bad for the aggressor. Who gets adrenaline from that? The outcome in non conensentual PVP is always the same. There is never a difference. It is like knowing the results of every soccer game in advance.
2 nights ago I was ratting in my ratting Myrmidon, no webbers, no scramblers, no PVP specific modules at all.
I see a neut show up in local and recall my drones, but the guy either scanned me or got lucky choosing which belt I was at, and within seconds a Crow had me tackled before my drones got back to the bay.
So according to you, since I was in a non-PVP ship, this is where I lose my Myrmidon. The guy who tackled me was part of a roaming Triumvirate gang and DEFINITELY set up PURELY for PVP, so there was NO WAY I was going to live.
I happened to have an ECM module fitted on my ship, testing out whether or not they were useful against the rats. I targeted the Crow and activated the ECM just as the rest of his roaming gang appeared in local. Somehow, the ECM worked on the first shot and his lock on me broke, and with it his scrambling of my warp drive, and away home I went.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.02.22 22:01:00 -
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Nice story about the Myrm. I remember years ago ratting in a phoon. It was set up as a cheap all rounder (nice tank, *enough* DPS, some other 'answers' to particular 'threats').
I got jumped a few times, almost always by Vagas (they had just come out). It's amazing how many cruisers rely on drones to take out a big target and just how quickly drones die to smartbombs. At one point I even got jumped by a couple of Thorax, killed one and watched the other flee in armour. Fun times.
The adrenaline indeed comes from the fact you can lose your ship. The bigger the cost the more the rush (in Eve ISK is synonymous with time). You start to get used to it after a while and need to take bigger risks to get the same rush.
Skimming through some of this thread it does make me laugh that after all these years new players and PvP-aversives keep saying the same things.
- New players can't compete against 30 million SP pilots - Non-consensual PvP is a foregone conclusion. - PvP needs no skill
No matter what reason is applied these players will never understand how wrong they are until they strap on some guns and go fight. Yes you will lose a few at first because you don't know what you are doing. If you don't give up and learn some skills (player skills, not the kind you buy on market) then you will start winning some fights and then never look back. Start out with T1 frigates or Cruisers while you learn the ropes.
I will admit though that PvP in Eve can be frustrating. I have had whole evenings where every target sits at a POS or hides in a station only to come out when he has 15:1 odds in his favour. That is the flip side to the fact you can lose stuff, not everyone likes to take risks and would rather have a certain victory instead of a glorious victory.
Guild Wars is good on weeknights, jump on, hit the arena and be in a 4v4 inside of 60 seconds. No adrenaline but when you only have 30 minutes I'd rather spend it in action than watching a station or gate
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Maximillian Dragonard
mUfFiN fAcToRy Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.02.22 22:28:00 -
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On a side note...
I have come to the conclusion that one of the worst things that happened to new players was the starting SP buff.. Hear me out here.. Before, it took a significant amount of time before you even got into a cruiser, and much longer before you were in a BC. The shortened time /played resulting from the SP boost dramatically increased the number of people flying what they couldn't afford to lose, as well as flying poorly equipped ships. I don't have anything against the amount of SP's given to new players now, but perhaps those SP's could be moved around somewhat in order to avoid the inevitable week old character flying around in a BC without the funds to even insure it.
I remember when I started, spending weeks in a frig, and then a cruiser, learning the ins and outs of the game(jumping into a lvl 2 mission in a merlin with crap support skills was a lesson only needed once!). I eventually joined a corp and moved to low sec and was taught more about the game in a week than I had learned in a couple months. BUT, those initial weeks (not a day or two) in frigs/cruisers were a priceless learning experience.
Back on topic.... it's all about the destruction
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.02.22 23:29:00 -
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I think it took me a solid 6 months before I flew a battleship. And even then, I flew it poorly lol ;)
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