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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.02.22 22:53:00 -
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So. The industry chaps at our corp just got their hands on a decent Thorax BPC, and stamped out 10 of them. We were planning to fit these cheaply, and go to lowsec to blow ourselves up, hopefully learning something about PVP/gang tactics in the process.
My question to you, good forum-goer, is what would be a decent setup for the ships, if we were in a 6-8 man gang. We were considering using ECM drones to gain a bit of advantage when fighting larger ships, would this be a good idea? All setups are welcome (except the laser thorax ), and we would appreciate your ideas.
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Hank Soral
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Posted - 2008.02.22 22:55:00 -
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you won't learn anything about pvp by blobbing people and the only way to fly a thorax is plated with medium blasters
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Arkedon
Caldari Pegasus Knights
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Posted - 2008.02.22 22:58:00 -
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Look for the tactics used by StarFaction(?) during one of the gang PvP tournaments. They used an all-Thorax gang and had incredible results.
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Traeon
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.22 22:58:00 -
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Ignore the Achura above me (both solo and gang is important in PvP).
ECM drones are more powerful if you can coordinate with your mates.
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Hank Soral
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Posted - 2008.02.22 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Traeon Ignore the Achura above me (both solo and gang is important in PvP).
ECM drones are more powerful if you can coordinate with your mates.
10v1 is a learning experience? Don't be stupid, stupid.
And LOL at the ECM drones comment, are you dense? Coordinate? 5 ECM drones per thorax means that anything you pick will not be locking any time soon. As it is, ECM drones can lock down cruisers easily and battleships somewhat reliably for a quick escape.
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Brutoth Tain
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.02.22 23:05:00 -
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By coordinate he means how the gang deploy their ECM drones, if everyone dropped em on the same target (the primary) your wasting a lot of potential jams on the other ships. ---------------------------------------------- Piebears <3 Risk Vs Reward.......You take the risk they take the reward. |
Athra Gratta
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Posted - 2008.02.22 23:12:00 -
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5x Heavy Electron Blaster II (Federation AM M)
1x 10 MN MWD 1x 20km scram 1x X5 web
1x Small Armor Repairer II 1x Damage Control II 1x 1600mm plate 1x EANM II 1x RCU II
You'll need AWU 4 for this setup. Split roles among your ships. For your gang of 10, 3 or 4 of you should pack 5x Vespa EC-600 drones, the rest 5x Valkyrie II. For solo, just fit the Vespa ECM drones.
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Traeon
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.22 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Traeon on 22/02/2008 23:22:19
Originally by: Hank Soral
Originally by: Traeon Ignore the Achura above me (both solo and gang is important in PvP).
ECM drones are more powerful if you can coordinate with your mates.
10v1 is a learning experience? Don't be stupid, stupid.
And LOL at the ECM drones comment, are you dense? Coordinate? 5 ECM drones per thorax means that anything you pick will not be locking any time soon. As it is, ECM drones can lock down cruisers easily and battleships somewhat reliably for a quick escape.
So, where exactly does the OP talk about blobbing a lone pilot? Nowhere. He mentions gang tactics instead.
Don't you look stupid now?
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Cry5t4l
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Posted - 2008.02.22 23:27:00 -
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A setup I use often is
4x Med Ion blasters 1x Med Electron Blaster
Web Scram MWD
800mm plate Damage Control II 3 x Mag stabs
However, with the amount of ECM drones you will have (and I highly reccomend these as an experienced Thorax pilot) I would go for a pure gank fit with very little tank.
5x Med Neutron
AB Web Scram
Dc II EANM 3 x mag stabs
Both setups I have used in both gang and solo work, botht to be very effective. Hope this helps.
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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.02.22 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Havok Dryke on 22/02/2008 23:32:33 Thanks for the setups everyone. Does anyone have any good fits that can be done using named or t1 items? The main reason for this is so that we can simply give our industry department the list of items, and they can mass-produce not only the ships, but the modules as well.
Quote: you won't learn anything about pvp by blobbing people and the only way to fly a thorax is plated with medium blasters
1. As one of the other posters mentioned, I said nothing about blobbing people
2. Offer constructive criticism, what would be best to do in your opinion for initial PVP learning? Keep in we are mainly a highsec corp, and many of our members are low SP (we take in many new players)
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Quote: However, with the amount of ECM drones you will have (and I highly reccomend these as an experienced Thorax pilot) I would go for a pure gank fit with very little tank.
5x Med Neutron
AB Web Scram
Dc II EANM 3 x mag stabs
Both setups I have used in both gang and solo work, botht to be very effective. Hope this helps.
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Balcura
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Posted - 2008.02.22 23:37:00 -
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Every fit that includes tech 2 will work just as well for what your doing if you replace it with tech 1. Also make sure your guys insure the ships, if you do and fit entirely with tech 1 then you will just about break even on the costs and flying/learning will be more or less free.
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Hank Soral
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Posted - 2008.02.22 23:41:00 -
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1. Everyone who has posted after me is a dumb ass.
2. Thorax setups
5x Ions / Federation Navy Antimatter M 1x MWD 1x Web 1x Warp Disruptor 1x DCU II/I 1x 800mm Plate 1x PDS/RCU 2x Mag Stab II/I
5x Electrons / FedNavAM M 1x MWD 1x Web 1x Warp Disruptor 1x RCU 2x Mag Stab II/I 1x DCU II/I 1x 1600mm Rolled Tungsten
For gang warfare:
5x Neutrons / FedNavAM M 1x MWD 1x Web 1x Warp Disruptor 3x Mag Stab 1x DCU 1x RCU
Drones: 5x Hammerheads/Vespa EC-600
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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.02.23 00:04:00 -
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Quote: Every fit that includes tech 2 will work just as well for what your doing if you replace it with tech 1. Also make sure your guys insure the ships, if you do and fit entirely with tech 1 then you will just about break even on the costs and flying/learning will be more or less free.
Sounds good, glad to know it's workable
Quote: 1. Everyone who posted after me is a dumbass
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Jade Rapture
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.23 02:45:00 -
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Just your generic everyday e-thug. __________
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Last Wolf
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2008.02.23 02:59:00 -
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I would suggest fitting 200mm rails and staying out of webrange, You won't kill you're targets as fast, but you're gang will live a lot longer.
That And I'd have everyone fit 2-3 Damge drones then 3-2 ECM drones. If all of you used 5x ECM drones it would be a bit overkill IMO, so up your DPS a bit my mixing in some damage.
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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.02.23 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf I would suggest fitting 200mm rails and staying out of webrange, You won't kill you're targets as fast, but you're gang will live a lot longer.
That And I'd have everyone fit 2-3 Damge drones then 3-2 ECM drones. If all of you used 5x ECM drones it would be a bit overkill IMO, so up your DPS a bit my mixing in some damage.
I was kinda hoping that with the ECM drones, we wouldn't be locked, and therefore no web to worry about -_-
Also, wanted to stay fast and close in (5km or so) in case the jamming fails momentarily --------------------------------------
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6Bagheera9
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.23 04:19:00 -
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My 0.02 ISK is to not fit only a 800mm plate at most. 1600mm plates simply eat up too much grid for a cruiser and makes you slow as hell. That said, a good T1 cruiser gang will maul the unprepared. Do focus on maximizing your cruiser relevant skills, especially T2 guns. It will be sometime before your returns on SPs invested peter out.
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Hank Soral
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Posted - 2008.02.23 04:30:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf I would suggest fitting 200mm rails and staying out of webrange, You won't kill you're targets as fast, but you're gang will live a lot longer.
That And I'd have everyone fit 2-3 Damge drones then 3-2 ECM drones. If all of you used 5x ECM drones it would be a bit overkill IMO, so up your DPS a bit my mixing in some damage.
Why are you so STUPID? The thorax is a BLASTER boat, THAT'S IT.
Rails are acceptable in missions, that's it. GTFO.
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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.02.23 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hank Soral
Originally by: Last Wolf I would suggest fitting 200mm rails and staying out of webrange, You won't kill you're targets as fast, but you're gang will live a lot longer.
That And I'd have everyone fit 2-3 Damge drones then 3-2 ECM drones. If all of you used 5x ECM drones it would be a bit overkill IMO, so up your DPS a bit my mixing in some damage.
Why are you so STUPID? The thorax is a BLASTER boat, THAT'S IT.
Rails are acceptable in missions, that's it. GTFO.
Contrary to what you think, typing in ALL CAPS does not actually prove anything. Nor does it make you sound smarter, or any less of a troll. Your advice at the end if valid though, I suggest you avail yourself of it. --------------------------------------
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Hank Soral
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Posted - 2008.02.23 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Havok Dryke
Originally by: Hank Soral
Originally by: Last Wolf I would suggest fitting 200mm rails and staying out of webrange, You won't kill you're targets as fast, but you're gang will live a lot longer.
That And I'd have everyone fit 2-3 Damge drones then 3-2 ECM drones. If all of you used 5x ECM drones it would be a bit overkill IMO, so up your DPS a bit my mixing in some damage.
Why are you so STUPID? The thorax is a BLASTER boat, THAT'S IT.
Rails are acceptable in missions, that's it. GTFO.
Contrary to what you think, typing in ALL CAPS does not actually prove anything. Nor does it make you sound smarter, or any less of a troll. Your advice at the end if valid though, I suggest you avail yourself of it.
Let me humbly remind you that you are the noob here, not I.
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Last Wolf
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2008.02.23 04:49:00 -
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Edited by: Last Wolf on 23/02/2008 04:51:04
Originally by: Hank Soral
Originally by: Last Wolf I would suggest fitting 200mm rails and staying out of webrange, You won't kill you're targets as fast, but you're gang will live a lot longer.
That And I'd have everyone fit 2-3 Damge drones then 3-2 ECM drones. If all of you used 5x ECM drones it would be a bit overkill IMO, so up your DPS a bit my mixing in some damage.
Why are you so STUPID? The thorax is a BLASTER boat, THAT'S IT.
Rails are acceptable in missions, that's it. GTFO.
Because blasters are a one trick pony. Get in close, kill them before they kill you.
Rails add A lot more versatility, being able to NOT get insta-popped by a BS when he smartbombs all your drones then webs and 1-2 volleys you is a good thing.
Being able to switch from near-point blank to 40-50km+ range with spike (or iron... for pathetic damage. Still good enough to kill frigs though) Is VERY useful. especially when you are out of cap to MWD. Also, with just blasters and medium drones, a decent inty pilot + a stealth bomber could duo your entire gang unless everyone that wasn't scrammed warped out.
Just because you don't have two braincells to rub together doesn't mean a thorax can't do more than approach ---> mwd ---> F1-F5.
I will agree blasters are the way to go for solo work. But in a gang rails > blasters. Actually. a 50/50 split might not be a bad idea. some go close range, some stay mid range.
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Hank Soral
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Posted - 2008.02.23 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Last Wolf Edited by: Last Wolf on 23/02/2008 04:49:30
Originally by: Hank Soral
Originally by: Last Wolf I would suggest fitting 200mm rails and staying out of webrange, You won't kill you're targets as fast, but you're gang will live a lot longer.
That And I'd have everyone fit 2-3 Damge drones then 3-2 ECM drones. If all of you used 5x ECM drones it would be a bit overkill IMO, so up your DPS a bit my mixing in some damage.
Why are you so STUPID? The thorax is a BLASTER boat, THAT'S IT.
Rails are acceptable in missions, that's it. GTFO.
Because blasters are a one trick pony. Get in close, kill them before they kill you.
Rails add A lot more versatility, being able to NOT get insta-popped by a BS when he smartbombs all your drones then webs and 1-2 volleys you is a good thing.
Being able to switch from near-point blank to 40-50km+ range with spike (or iron... for pathetic damage. Still good enough to kill frigs though) Is VERY useful. especially when you are out of cap to MWD. Also, with just blasters and medium drones, a decent inty pilot + a stealth bomber could duo your entire gang unless everyone that wasn't scrammed warped out.
Just because you don't have two braincells to rub together doesn't mean a thorax can't do more than approach ---> mwd ---> F1-F5.
You think that a Railrax' PATHETIC (note in the BEST of circumstances) dps will even scratch a battleship? I'll be surprised if you even make it past it's shields.
I think you fail to realize just how much of a difference there is between rail and blaster damage. If you're in a gang, there's absolutely no reason for you not to be able to get into range (or atleast a few of you). And don't cite that rails can kill frigates so therefore it's a viable setup, that's ********. Anything can kill frigates. And furthermore, how many battleships do YOU know that fit smartbombs on a regular basis? Yeah, that's what I thought.
Don't think your idea is viable just because no one uses it. It's not special unique or "out of the box" it plain sucks.
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CCP Mitnal
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Posted - 2008.02.23 05:04:00 -
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.23 05:25:00 -
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I like the idea of mixing in a couple rails. you might want to fit some neuts too on a couple of the blaster boats. And Hank's idea about doing some 10 on 1 is great. Taking down a couple of easy targets first is a great way to spot the big problems that could kill someone and to get some coordination experience in.
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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.02.23 06:26:00 -
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Edited by: Havok Dryke on 23/02/2008 06:26:50 I like the idea of mixing in rails and neuts, t does give it a bit more flexibility. Does anyone know exactly how many pirates fit smartbombs on their ship and how many SB hits a med drone can take? The ideas are awesome so far, (with the notable exception of one person), keep em comin
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Hank Soral
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Posted - 2008.02.23 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Havok Dryke Edited by: Havok Dryke on 23/02/2008 06:26:50 I like the idea of mixing in rails and neuts, t does give it a bit more flexibility. Does anyone know exactly how many pirates fit smartbombs on their ship and how many SB hits a med drone can take? The ideas are awesome so far, (with the notable exception of one person), keep em comin
Edit: Lmao, post nerfed by a Moderator. Nice going
You're going to be stupid and ignorant as to ignore perfect setups in favor of gimmick crap setups because of personal feelings? Clearly the makings of a good pilot.
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lyrenna
Caldari Soliders Of Eve The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.23 10:21:00 -
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t2 ion blasters, 800mm plate, dm ctrl, mfs. dont forget to insure to platinium
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Director Shiitake
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Posted - 2008.02.23 10:25:00 -
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First off, I'm not sure you can trademark the thorax swarm of doom if SF already did it. If anything, you should be paying royalties...
...That said, though, while the gentleman above me is a bit snooty and insistent about it, I have to agree that blasters are pretty much the way to go for your gang. I saw a setup using electrons, ions, and an 800 plate with a small rep that looked good, so it'd be a bit redundant putting it down again. The rax's drone bay is the best place for ewar/cap warfare, and I'd recommend perhaps having a few people throw 5x light neut drones and 5x warriors in rather than fitting neuts on any of em. That way you get pretty good neut capability without screwing your own ships' capacitors and also have a bit more protection from marauding interceptors.
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Cecil Montague
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.23 11:41:00 -
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The rax really suffers against small targets when blaster fitted. No way are you going to get in range of an inty doing 3km/s + unless they are very stupid. While an individual interceptor isn't going to hurt you it can hold you down while something bigger arrives. My advice is bring a few destroyers too. They're cheap, skill reqs are low (unless you try to solo in them) and excell in the role of protecting bigger slower ships from frigate attacks.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.02.23 11:44:00 -
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Hank:
Either post with your main or stop posting in this thread, your arrogance is insulting.
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