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D0nal0 Trumph	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:45:00 - [361] - Quote Originally by: Thenoran Edited by: Thenoran on 28/02/2008 14:32:17 You do know that eventually all you will cause is making the miners band together for protection, meaning larger groups with warships, which clean out belts even faster and can't be ganked as easily. Thenoran, you fail.. Goons are not flipping cans or exploiting game mechanics. Goons are not scannign and killing traders. Goons kill Exhumers. Goons are even a very big word to use here, as there have only been killed 1 exhumer for every 25 goon out there. Given that a few goons have killed more than 15, I would say maybee 2-3% of the goons are doing this. But by all means, band together miners and bring protection. It does not matter. I think this sounds like fun, and I am getting into the event with my level 4 main. My Phoon of doom, with 4 siege, 4 AC, 3 painters, 7 dmg mods, 5 drones on HEAT with faction amo, will MELT any exhumer you put out there, faster than any of you can come between. I have 5.0 in sec status, and I can kill quite a few hulks before I have to go back and run some L4's. I will however only target people in the n00b corps. See you all in space Hulk / Mack pilots.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:45:00 - [362] - Quote Originally by: Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Wait a second... is high-sec preparing a wardec on 0.0? Now, that would be pure comedy to watch those fights. Too bad that high-sec dwellers tend to be the exact opposite of motivated, well organised, well informed, and PvP experienced players. If they were only motivated and well organised, it could already make for an entertaining fight. Yes! All 35k high-sec players are prepping their haulers, barges and mission ships to fight the evil 0.0..... Two things will happen: 1. Monumental lag and server crashes! 2. They'll all get slaughtered to the last man, but will manage to kill a Rifter.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Eowyn Minmatarkiller Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:48:00 - [363] - Quote Originally by: Calimor Edited by: Calimor on 28/02/2008 14:37:29 (Hahahahaha miners banding together with warships) Stop laughing of Xetic. Let them rest in peace.
Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Snake Assault	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:48:00 - [364] - Quote Edited by: Lil''Red Ridin''Hood on 28/02/2008 14:50:00 Originally by: Kerfira Yes! All 35k high-sec players are prepping their haulers, barges and mission ships to fight the evil 0.0..... Two things will happen: 1. Monumental lag and server crashes! 2. They'll all get slaughtered to the last man, but will manage to kill a Rifter.... ... which died from friendly smart-bomb fire... Edit: On second thought, if the HIGH coalition drove their advance towards the NULL coalition, would they actually make it past low-sec?
Calimor Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:52:00 - [365] - Quote Edited by: Calimor on 28/02/2008 14:52:10 Originally by: Lil'Red Ridin'Hood Edited by: Lil''Red Ridin''Hood on 28/02/2008 14:50:00 Originally by: Kerfira Yes! All 35k high-sec players are prepping their haulers, barges and mission ships to fight the evil 0.0..... Two things will happen: 1. Monumental lag and server crashes! 2. They'll all get slaughtered to the last man, but will manage to kill a Rifter.... ... which died from friendly smart-bomb fire... Edit: On second thought, if the HIGH coalition drove their advance towards the NULL coalition, would they actually make it past low-sec? Well my man, there is only one way for them to find out!
Dawns	Posted - 2008.02.28 14:58:00 - [366] - Quote Edited by: Dawns on 28/02/2008 14:59:52 i informe you that some ( a lot of ) many corporation in empire product T2 and Capital ship too ... so dont think that all empire player are noob in fight with less skill and some extra troupe can open new front in 0.0 war ;) the troupe of goon are limited to engaged many front
Burnharder	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:06:00 - [367] - Quote Originally by: Dawns Edited by: Dawns on 28/02/2008 14:59:52 i informe you that some ( a lot of ) many corporation in empire product T2 and Capital ship too ... so dont think that all empire player are noob in fight with less skill and some extra troupe can open new front in 0.0 war ;) the troupe of goon are limited to engaged many front Fair enough but the truth is we can't be arsed.
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:06:00 - [368] - Quote Originally by: D0nal0 Trumph Originally by: Thenoran Edited by: Thenoran on 28/02/2008 14:32:17 You do know that eventually all you will cause is making the miners band together for protection, meaning larger groups with warships, which clean out belts even faster and can't be ganked as easily. Thenoran, you fail.. Goons are not flipping cans or exploiting game mechanics. Goons are not scannign and killing traders. Goons kill Exhumers. Goons are even a very big word to use here, as there have only been killed 1 exhumer for every 25 goon out there. Given that a few goons have killed more than 15, I would say maybee 2-3% of the goons are doing this. But by all means, band together miners and bring protection. It does not matter. I think this sounds like fun, and I am getting into the event with my level 4 main. My Phoon of doom, with 4 siege, 4 AC, 3 painters, 7 dmg mods, 5 drones on HEAT with faction amo, will MELT any exhumer you put out there, faster than any of you can come between. I have 5.0 in sec status, and I can kill quite a few hulks before I have to go back and run some L4's. I will however only target people in the n00b corps. See you all in space Hulk / Mack pilots. you get around 23 kills for a 5.0 sec status before you hit -2.0.
Xerpex Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:10:00 - [369] - Quote Edited by: Xerpex on 28/02/2008 15:11:07 High sec declaring war on 0.0 would be awesome. Please do it. edit: This isn't smack, I'm serious.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:26:00 - [370] - Quote Originally by: D0nal0 Trumph My Phoon of doom, with 4 siege, 4 AC, 3 painters, 7 dmg mods, 5 drones on HEAT with faction amo, will MELT any exhumer you put out there, faster than any of you can come between. I have 5.0 in sec status, and I can kill quite a few hulks before I have to go back and run some L4's. How good a ganker can you make out of a Raven? My L4 runner is a traditional one with a Raven and uber missiles/shield skills, but few gunnery skills..... He has a sec.level of 6 or so to burn Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.

Calimor Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:36:00 - [371] - Quote Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: D0nal0 Trumph My Phoon of doom, with 4 siege, 4 AC, 3 painters, 7 dmg mods, 5 drones on HEAT with faction amo, will MELT any exhumer you put out there, faster than any of you can come between. I have 5.0 in sec status, and I can kill quite a few hulks before I have to go back and run some L4's. How good a ganker can you make out of a Raven? My L4 runner is a traditional one with a Raven and uber missiles/shield skills, but few gunnery skills..... He has a sec.level of 6 or so to burn There isnt much margin to go wrong. Full 6 Torps, hammerheads, BCS, and some two hybrids for safety. You should be losing from 15m to 20m per Raven so choose your targets well.
AltBier Minmatar Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:40:00 - [372] - Quote Originally by: Jack Jombardo BUT it's sad anough to see every second day some suicid bombers killing hundrets of civilian people in the name of insert random god" and so SHUT UP! Yeah clearly it's much better to use cruise missiles in the name of insert random political ideology*. In other words, don't get selectively hung up about RL phrases used in EVE.
Tobin Shalim Vulcan Foundry	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:43:00 - [373] - Quote Originally by: Cameron Vayle CCP, You are endorsing this style of game play by posting this on your opening news page, infact you are encouraging it. Your logic is flawed as this will cause you to lose customers if allowed to continue. You want new people to come to the game. How do many of the new people arrive? By word of mouth. Allowing this type of action will stop the growth of the game. I know if I am ganked it will be the last time as I will simply walk away from the game as the laws of Concord and the Empires are not being enforced. But this is your choice. As the vast majority of the players live in high sector space it is them you will lose and end up with only the people that want to PvP all the time. Seen many a game die when this happens and those that run the game see it to late. duckmonster - there is no need to use your locater agent. I live in Sharhelund, I fly but a Hulk and a Mack. I refuse to be a subject of your so called empire. An empire I might add that can not seem to even kill off Band of Brothers so must prey on those that fly ships that can not defend themselves. can i have your stuff?
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:49:00 - [374] - Quote As an industrialist, I support this ganking. Look not at this as a problem, but rather as an opportunity. Focus your whine in the right direction, the T2 exhumers need more tank! --- Author of rTorrent, the BitTorrent client for real men and mice.
Burnharder	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:53:00 - [375] - Quote Originally by: Calimor There isnt much margin to go wrong. Full 6 Torps, hammerheads, BCS, and some two hybrids for safety. You should be losing from 15m to 20m per Raven so choose your targets well. Did you factor in the insurance to that, or is that just the mods? With insurance (~30m) you are losing close to 50.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:54:00 - [376] - Quote Originally by: Calimor Originally by: Kerfira My post There isnt much margin to go wrong. Full 6 Torps, hammerheads, BCS, and some two hybrids for safety. You should be losing from 15m to 20m per Raven so choose your targets well. ISK'ies are supposed to be lost as ships (wtf other use do they have?) ISK is easy to come by anyway...... I'll give it some tests when the test server is back up. I'm mainly worried about getting concord jammed before getting the 2nd salvo off.... Don't think I'll ever get off a 3rd even in 0.5... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.28 15:57:00 - [377] - Quote Edited by: Kerfira on 28/02/2008 16:00:01 Originally by: Burnharder Originally by: Calimor There isnt much margin to go wrong. Full 6 Torps, hammerheads, BCS, and some two hybrids for safety. You should be losing from 15m to 20m per Raven so choose your targets well. Did you factor in the insurance to that, or is that just the mods? With insurance (~30m) you are losing close to 50. I did the calc for the Raven a few weeks ago when arguing against insurance. They cost ~88m then, and you'd get ~112m from insurance which cost ~32m. Total loss ~8m ISK + modules (which're dirt cheap). Raven prices may have gone up since, but I don't think they've gone up that much! Insurance doesn't give you back what you paid for the ship. It gives you a (very high) fixed amount back based on the ship type. This is what makes suicide ganking so profitable these days as the ships used are close to free. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Kuseka Adama Gallente Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:08:00 - [378] - Quote Wow oh wow has this thread taken off. To you whiners: Stfu actually be at your computer and be more aware! Geez how easy is it to highlight the goonswarm alliance set them personally to red and be done with it? There is no such thing as saftey in high sec. Never has been never will be. You got keystone cops running concord DED and everything else. Personally we need another day where they all go and take a vacation. To the swarmers: I am not going to cheer you on. Speaking as someone who used mining to get access to his first battlecruiser i have a little respect for them now i understand knocking off high sec hulks and such but to be honest i hope you can handle the consequences of it. A player earlier remarked how CCP dealt with the war deccing issue of the privateers (a blatant unwarranted exploit) I am glad its gone i don't like having the idea of a corp being able to merc so many people at once. This may well finally bring the mechanic that will essentially end suicide ganking. By that i mean voiding insurance if concorded. Now maybe thats part of what you want to bring about i got no clue. At any rate the length of this thread just proves how many macroers actually post on the forums. At any rate i dont quite understand it. You launch a strike against one of bob's major systems not all that long ago and you follow it up with this? Why not continue the attack instead of bothering with things up here?
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:08:00 - [379] - Quote You know and easy way to strike back at the Goons? Have all the miners get into T1 Cruisers & Frigates (use Jump clones to save your valuable implants) and go invade their space and start killing their patrols & mining operations it diesn't take much time to train up the skills to fly these ships. Hire mercs to go into their space and take out their POS. They are already at war with BoB which is draining resources. If the "Carebears" pool their resources and organize against the Goons they could crush the Goons easily. Will it cost people, oh yes it will, but probably a whole heck of a lot less than a Hulk or two.
McDonALTs	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:11:00 - [380] - Quote Originally by: Kerfira Well, maybe this'll get an end soon (which is too bad really).... According to SHC, BoB are attacking goon held territory. These gankings must really have hit some BoB interests in high-sec hard since they go to this effort to draw goons away from it.... Now, the only question is: Am I using too much tinfoil, or too little? Basically, b ob is taking over goon territory, so goons need to go and poo on someone rather than relise that their anti-bob propoganda backfired. Thats why they are beating up hulk pilots, since goons cannot loose then

Red Desire	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:18:00 - [381] - Quote Originally by: karttoon Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:24:48 Originally by: Lazarus Short I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. 20 mil to anybody that pops him in a hulk or mackinaw. Eve mail me when it's done. I don't like Goons,which is obvious from my posts but I will give 20 mil ISK also for anyone who pops them. Ganking nubs sux, ganking idiots it's a must.
Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:20:00 - [382] - Quote Originally by: Kuseka Adama At any rate i dont quite understand it. You launch a strike against one of bob's major systems not all that long ago and you follow it up with this? Why not continue the attack instead of bothering with things up here? Its a failure cascade Goons had brosefs leading the charge -AAA-/RA/IAC/northern-napbuddies while bleating on the forums and occasionally showing up as a meat shield. Now, the above, have taken it on the chin a few good wacks and are regrouping/pausing/whatever. This leaves goons solo against bob, and we all know how that turns out. The need their big ship buddies to make any headway, otherwise its just throw them selves on the swords and laugh, mentality, ie they can't accomplish anything with out poppa RA & Co at their backs. This gank-a-thon is just to bolster the ranks of the already demoralized groups attempting to continue, unaided. Most now know they are nothing but the laughing stock, by themselves.... Its just a Empire based temper tantrum, nothing more... According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:25:00 - [383] - Quote Originally by: Kuseka Adama At any rate i dont quite understand it. You launch a strike against one of bob's major systems not all that long ago and you follow it up with this? Why not continue the attack instead of bothering with things up here? This has entirely nothing to do with the war. Yes, NOL did not go all that well. However, BoB has now launched an offensive to take back qy6, and contest Sov 3. All of this, has nothing to do with suiciding Hulks though. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
missionalt GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:30:00 - [384] - Quote Originally by: Cygnus Scott You know and easy way to strike back at the Goons? Have all the miners get into T1 Cruisers & Frigates (use Jump clones to save your valuable implants) and go invade their space and start killing their patrols & mining operations it diesn't take much time to train up the skills to fly these ships. Hire mercs to go into their space and take out their POS. They are already at war with BoB which is draining resources. If the "Carebears" pool their resources and organize against the Goons they could crush the Goons easily. Will it cost people, oh yes it will, but probably a whole heck of a lot less than a Hulk or two. we have mining ops? patrols?
Dawns	Posted - 2008.02.28 16:48:00 - [385] - Quote /emote Pray the StockProcedure God ("CCP") for apply -10 Concord Standing Against Goons Alliance for inappropriate sanctionnable Action in empire ;)
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:01:00 - [386] - Quote Originally by: missionalt Originally by: Cygnus Scott You know and easy way to strike back at the Goons? Have all the miners get into T1 Cruisers & Frigates (use Jump clones to save your valuable implants) and go invade their space and start killing their patrols & mining operations it diesn't take much time to train up the skills to fly these ships. Hire mercs to go into their space and take out their POS. They are already at war with BoB which is draining resources. If the "Carebears" pool their resources and organize against the Goons they could crush the Goons easily. Will it cost people, oh yes it will, but probably a whole heck of a lot less than a Hulk or two. we have mining ops? patrols? i'm sure theta has some mining ops i know rho does occasionaly but we all have combat ships at the ready in the station and a gate camp setup in a dead end system with a covops 5 jumps out sitting on a gate but you know they can try
Tanshi Daiko	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:19:00 - [387] - Quote Edited by: Tanshi Daiko on 28/02/2008 17:20:36 Edited by: Tanshi Daiko on 28/02/2008 17:20:00 Well, i returned to the game about a month or two ago (this character was a trial from last year, so i started a new character). Since that time i`ve slowly learned the mining skills to fly a hulk. Yesterday i clicked the "learn astrogeology 5" button....17 day wait countdown begins and then for three days i will learn exhumers. I wont actually be able to afford a hulk on that day, though i will be able to fly one. The exhumers skill cost me 25 million, which is the most expensive thing i have ever bought. My current ship is a retriever, which pulls in about 250K each time i return with a full hold. I have about 7 million in the bank, need another 113 million for a hulk and the basic fittings, give or take some. The corp i joined generously offered to loan me a covetor, a ship worth about 20 million with fittings that can take in double the amount of isk that my retriever can. The skills to fly a retriever are 3 days of learning different to those needed to fly its tech 2 equivalent, the hulk. Thus, up till almost the very last minute, i wont have access to a reasonable income ship, so saving for a hulk is extremely hard. I also have a merlin, though i barely have the skills to use most equipment that average pilots would take for granted. I dont much enjoy combat, found missions to be quite intimidating and strange, also lacking in both content and reward. Why was it i chose to learn to fly a hulk, something that i knew would take 53 or so days from the day i started on the idea? Well, to have some form of status in the EVE world. I was a newbie, with no chance of getting a ship that would be any comparison to the people in a corp. I`d be one of the rank and file, able to shoot some things and off doing endless missions or a bit of pvp that i would simply not be good at. In a hulk at least i have some form of identity and i can then set out on my eve career, while having some sort of reliable income to back it up. Amusing and alarming that this topic should appear. I`m no stranger to the idea of risk and reward, so i wont whine about the matter. The purpose of this post is just to explain to people that there are some people who are newcomers to the game and who set out, from roughly day one, to learn hulk piloting. I havent even got frigate 4 on that character, or industrial 2, but i`ll be flying a ship that means something to me and to others in EVE. My concern is that i dont have other options. If my hulk gets shot up when i finally use it, even if i could replace it, why should i bother? No, you cant have my stuff either, since i wont have stuff for you to have, should i quit. Mining makes money for mining, i dont get cash from missions and i dont have rep either. Hopefuly this will all blow over by the time i actually get my hulk. Even if it does get blown up on day one, at least i achieved something in the game.
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:28:00 - [388] - Quote Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: missionalt Originally by: Cygnus Scott You know and easy way to strike back at the Goons? Have all the miners get into T1 Cruisers & Frigates (use Jump clones to save your valuable implants) and go invade their space and start killing their patrols & mining operations it diesn't take much time to train up the skills to fly these ships. Hire mercs to go into their space and take out their POS. They are already at war with BoB which is draining resources. If the "Carebears" pool their resources and organize against the Goons they could crush the Goons easily. Will it cost people, oh yes it will, but probably a whole heck of a lot less than a Hulk or two. we have mining ops? patrols? i'm sure theta has some mining ops i know rho does occasionaly but we all have combat ships at the ready in the station and a gate camp setup in a dead end system with a covops 5 jumps out sitting on a gate but you know they can try Man the GS are too stupid to recognize their own tactics... Sure you got T2 ships and the like but even a T2 ship can go down to a bunch of frigates. Gate camp? How many people you going to dedicate to holding that camp in place? Its the resource game fool. There are more "carebears" than you have pilots. You take pilots & ships from fighting BoB to cover your space, whether its to protect your own operations or those of the people paying you to use your space, they will stop paying if you cannot guarantee their safety, or to protect a POS from destruction it WILL hurt you more in the long run than it will the "carebears" that lose T1 ships fitted with T1 gear. If you weren't fighting BoB it would certainly be a different story, but you are at war and you cannot be everywhere at once. Will they do it? Dunno, but they certainly could if you **** off enough people. Remember arrogance has led to the downfall of more than one army, nation, or empire.
Marius Duvall Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:29:00 - [389] - Quote Originally by: Kaaii Originally by: Kuseka Adama At any rate i dont quite understand it. You launch a strike against one of bob's major systems not all that long ago and you follow it up with this? Why not continue the attack instead of bothering with things up here? Its a failure cascade Goons had brosefs leading the charge -AAA-/RA/IAC/northern-napbuddies while bleating on the forums and occasionally showing up as a meat shield. Now, the above, have taken it on the chin a few good wacks and are regrouping/pausing/whatever. This leaves goons solo against bob, and we all know how that turns out. The need their big ship buddies to make any headway, otherwise its just throw them selves on the swords and laugh, mentality, ie they can't accomplish anything with out poppa RA & Co at their backs. This gank-a-thon is just to bolster the ranks of the already demoralized groups attempting to continue, unaided. Most now know they are nothing but the laughing stock, by themselves.... Its just a Empire based temper tantrum, nothing more... It's like you can see into our souls. --- Originally by: "Reticenti" Oh, one note to Scius, you have made Goons and BoB agree on something. Good job.
Metro Trade	Posted - 2008.02.28 17:30:00 - [390] - Quote Originally by: Dawns /emote Pray the StockProcedure God ("CCP") for apply -10 Concord Standing Against Goons Alliance for inappropriate sanctionnable Action in empire ;) /signed

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