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Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.29 18:02:00 - [541] - Quote Anaalys Fluuterby, I will grant you the post above by Shayleigh Snowflower actually did more (IMHO) to support your point then to refute it` as you pointed out, the Caldari would be right miffed at anything that lowers their profits` Gallente would (again in my opinion) follow the Caldari actions, but claim them as itFs own (We did it first, the Caldari just stole the idea from us) as the citizens would not be happy and would want the federation to both fight back and allow them to fight back` As Terrorists tend to be Religious in nature (the Tamil Tigers are an exception as I understand it) I suspect the Minmatar would also raise a force to fight the terrorist threat` they remind them of the Amarr... But the Amarr` the Amarr, may speak against such attacks, but as fellow believers, I suspect they would support them behind the scenes` then again, being allied with the Caldari, the Amarr may follow suite just to keep up the illusion of support` but I doubt their support of the actions against the terrorists would be more then lip service... --------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.29 18:37:00 - [542] - Quote you guys do know there is alliance in the tournament RIGHT NOW that does nothing but hit miners in high sec? their alliance name says it all. and they have been doing it for a while. I would say goonswarm currently does maybe half of the high sec mining ganking. you guys are talking about this like it hasn't been happening for the past year and that NOW it's going to affect player numbers.
Primnproper	Posted - 2008.02.29 18:56:00 - [543] - Quote I think its more the things they're saying rather than what they're doing that people are complaining about.... Personally i have no problem at all with suicide ganking.
AltBier Minmatar Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.29 19:06:00 - [544] - Quote Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Somehow I doubt that the Caldari state views proclaiming yourself a terrorist, constantly attacking Citizens, interfering with the profits of Caldari companies and hurting the bottom line "sticking to the rules". Enemies of the State, even self-proclaimed ones, shouldn't be tolerated by the state. Of course, the terrorists are always those whom the state has a problem with - otherwise they are called freedom fighters.
Halafian Amarr Friendship Society	Posted - 2008.02.29 19:18:00 - [545] - Quote I don't care about suicide ganks that much, but the insurance system shouldn't fund it. Anyone killed by Concord should get nothing back from insurance, and probably should take a security rating hit. Gank away, but it's bad game design that people can do stuff like this without any real consequence. ----- Need Frequency Crystals? Halafian's Frequency Crystal Emporium is your one-stop shop! Now with T2!
Xaen Caldari Caritas.	Posted - 2008.02.29 19:26:00 - [546] - Quote Originally by: Sekhmet Orion Originally by: AndrewRyan And as for the goons claiming it to be just Hulks check this one out from the front page of thier KB:- 2008.02.27 20:23:00 Victim: XXXXXX Alliance: NONE Corp: School of Applied Knowledge Destroyed: Bantam System: Allamotte Security: 0.6 Damage Taken: 742 Thats a funny looking Hulk......... OMG they killed Kenny A Bantam died, oh lord the humanity. Love this thread - Support fixing the UI\|Suggest Jita fixes\|Compact logs
Eva Marie	Posted - 2008.02.29 19:33:00 - [547] - Quote Edited by: Eva Marie on 29/02/2008 19:35:44 This is one of the many petitions posted at this moment: -------------- I will contact the mods through email as advised by you. There are a couple of issues I would like to petition since I have this one opened. 1) Faster Standing Loss: It is the consensus that even though high security space is not completely "safe", at least it should not be easy for suicide attackers to recover fast. Standing loss for these unscrupulous people should be progressive (every standing loss should be higher than the last one). In fact, it would be ideal that three Concord violations should put anyone out into low security space, where alike players mingle. 2) No Insurance Payout for Suicide Attackers: Even though it might be within game rules, any person who commits a crime and Concord intervenes shall not receive any insurance payout. This kind of behavior borders on exploitation of the system you implemented and deemed fair. However, the reality is that people are abusing the system and a proper rectification should be provided. 3) Extended Jump-Clone Delay for Criminals: If a character has had a recent standing loss with Concord (let's say 1 week), their jump-clone delay should be higher. Currently, once attackers reach a low enough standing with Concord, they are free to jump to a clone stationed in low security space. Their ability to run away from Empire Space is not limited by anything at this moment, besides their initial 24 hours delay. Therefore a more comprehensive system where recent criminal acts actually affect the delay time their jump-clone is available would even out the current situation. 4) Update Harassment Policies: The recent massive acts of aggression to peaceful players in high security space has brought upon a new set of problems. What really is consider harassment? Some people feel harassed when we have disrespectful players in local shouting religious chants. Also when we are sent evemails with those chants such as: "Jihad, Kill the Infidels!!!", over and over again. Now everyone is EVE takes Religious Harassment lightly, and it should not be taken lightly specially by those people who have been directly affected by Real Life situations caused by the so called "Jihad". I think it is a sour joke that only those intellectually disable who can't fully understand the real consequences words can convey, can get a laugh at. Not everyone in eve feels comfortable enough to PvP. And even though this is a sandbox environment, it should also allow people who aren't fond of PvPing to go by their business without being forced to do so. There are many other activities that those who don't dwell in low security space perform, among other: Trading, Industry, Mission Running and even helping new players. If Empire Space becomes an extension of 0.0 Space as obviously intended by GoonFleet and members of some Alliances, then new players won't feel compelled to stay in the game and discover the many other activities EVE provides. This could reduce customer base growth directly, and that's something no one wants. By making Pirating less punishable and allowing an increasing Alliance influence in high security space, we are only inviting chaos. As I have stated previously in my opening petition post, other games such as GTA and True Crime has been under fire because of their improper use and correlation to suicide bombings and other terrorist acts simulation. It is unfair for both, our eve community base and also the development team to be pin-pointed because of some players who wanted to get a good laugh. It is irresponsible and borderline ridiculous to have an in-game situation get out of control and bring upon us real life negative consequences who none of us want.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.29 19:50:00 - [548] - Quote Originally by: Chirruper Even if the GoonSwarm references offend you, it goes completely against the spirit of EvE to beg CCP to do something. The tools are quite clearly there for people to retaliate. Several alliances could band together, form even larger numbers, and cripple their operations. . . but that would be assuming more people care than a handful of knee-jerk forum whiners. WHAT ARE YOU SAYING? It is an old tradition in EVE that when you encounter things in the game that you can't overcome without risk or work, you run screaming, cursing, crying, raging and threatening to the forums! Titans, low-sec mommyships, privateers, can thieves etc. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
AltBier Minmatar Red. Red Republic	Posted - 2008.02.29 20:26:00 - [549] - Quote Originally by: Eva Marie Now everyone is EVE takes Religious Harassment lightly, and it should not be taken lightly specially by those people who have been directly affected by Real Life situations caused by the so called "Jihad". I think it is a sour joke that only those intellectually disable who can't fully understand the real consequences words can convey, can get a laugh at. What about those people who have been directly affected by Real Life situations caused by the so called "Cruise Missiles" ? I'm totally serious here: Leave the so-called 'War On Terror' at home when you come to play EVE.
Star Dagger Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.29 20:30:00 - [550] - Quote Greetings, If those of you who are offended by the real world implications, I would offer this : Part of a terror campaigns success is measured in how much you effect the actions and language of the enemy. Frankly I do my best to offend those who would practice intolerance, these are people who need offending. As far as the NSA and other Intel agencies, I dont think they will take action since they are run by Goons! And lastly, people complain that nothing happens in EVE, and here we have a group of people stirring things up. I certainly think the efforts of those who find the JihadSwarm offensive, should either coordinate an effort to stop or just sit back and watch. Whining on the Forum is just weak and laughable. Yours in Military Plasma, Star*Dagger

Luh Windan	Posted - 2008.02.29 20:42:00 - [551] - Quote Edited by: Luh Windan on 29/02/2008 20:43:21 Originally by: Eva Marie 4) Update Harassment Policies: The recent massive acts of aggression to peaceful players in high security space has brought upon a new set of problems. What really is consider harassment? Some people feel harassed when we have disrespectful players in local shouting religious chants. Also when we are sent evemails with those chants such as: "Jihad, Kill the Infidels!!!", over and over again. Now everyone is EVE takes Religious Harassment lightly, and it should not be taken lightly specially by those people who have been directly affected by Real Life situations caused by the so called "Jihad". I think it is a sour joke that only those intellectually disable who can't fully understand the real consequences words can convey, can get a laugh at. Not everyone in eve feels comfortable enough to PvP. And even though this is a sandbox environment, it should also allow people who aren't fond of PvPing to go by their business without being forced to do so. There are many other activities that those who don't dwell in low security space perform, among other: Trading, Industry, Mission Running and even helping new players. If Empire Space becomes an extension of 0.0 Space as obviously intended by GoonFleet and members of some Alliances, then new players won't feel compelled to stay in the game and discover the many other activities EVE provides. This could reduce customer base growth directly, and that's something no one wants. By making Pirating less punishable and allowing an increasing Alliance influence in high security space, we are only inviting chaos. As I have stated previously in my opening petition post, other games such as GTA and True Crime has been under fire because of their improper use and correlation to suicide bombings and other terrorist acts simulation. It is unfair for both, our eve community base and also the development team to be pin-pointed because of some players who wanted to get a good laugh. It is irresponsible and borderline ridiculous to have an in-game situation get out of control and bring upon us real life negative consequences who none of us want. Now here is something I do find offensive with its desire to have your views and opinions inflicted in me in game. I do not want any part of this attempt to make the language of terror taboo (and therefore somehow sacred) - people should be free to satirize (no matter how childishly) and repurpose it. Neither do I want any part of your plans to sanitize and make the game easier for your way of playing. From the very start we are told - Eve is a dangerous place, Don't fly something you can't afford to lose etc. etc. That is what attracted me to the game (and at the moment I would be characterized as an empire based carebear) I sincerely hope you are ignored.
Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.02.29 20:43:00 - [552] - Quote All this 'outrage' about the Goonfleets use of rhetoric might have a little more meaning if I hadn't just done a mission where the 'terrorists' screamed in local in green font "get the infidels". If I had seen outrage way back when that content got added it might have some depth. As such, it's still about goonfleet invading safe and making everyone miserable. That's fine. Say it like it is. Just don't pretend to be offended to get your own way. Sorry, that's BS. I'm not a fan of forced PvP any more than the next guy but I have come to see Eve for what it is. Forced PvP. I play knowing that. But the last time I checked, you get the same ore in.7 that you get in .5 and aside from maybe the size of the rocks, nothing says you must mine in .5 and risk concord not shoing up in time. Nothing says you can't dedicate a few slots to resists and lower volumes, make a few more trips. Adaptability is crucial in Eve or any game. Want some cheese with that?
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.29 20:56:00 - [553] - Quote Originally by: Ioci All this 'outrage' about the Goonfleets use of rhetoric might have a little more meaning if I hadn't just done a mission where the 'terrorists' screamed in local in green font "get the infidels". If I had seen outrage way back when that content got added it might have some depth. As such, it's still about goonfleet invading safe and making everyone miserable. That's fine. Say it like it is. Just don't pretend to be offended to get your own way. Sorry, that's BS. I'm not a fan of forced PvP any more than the next guy but I have come to see Eve for what it is. Forced PvP. I play knowing that. But the last time I checked, you get the same ore in.7 that you get in .5 and aside from maybe the size of the rocks, nothing says you must mine in .5 and risk concord not shoing up in time. Nothing says you can't dedicate a few slots to resists and lower volumes, make a few more trips. Adaptability is crucial in Eve or any game. Want some cheese with that? best post in thread. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.29 20:57:00 - [554] - Quote And the thread has finaly devolved into a COAD style' e-peen fest. Good job you Muppets. Petition to move thread to CAOD plz. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Jdestars Stars Research systems Incorporation	Posted - 2008.02.29 20:59:00 - [555] - Quote Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby If they want to be viewed as terrorists, let them. With all the positives and negatives. 1) Set them as -10 to every faction whose space they do this in and factions that are allied with those factions. 2) Deny docking rights to stations belonging to those factions. 3) Deny market useage in those factions' space. 4) Give the factions a chance to monitor trade from other characters that trade to them and put them at -10. 5) Faction navies pod if they blow them up. 6) No Concord response if a "private citizen" assists one of the faction navies in defending that faction's space There, risk and reward. You wish to be a terrorist and be known as one, be treated like one. For alliance Standing and each corporate standing member to prevent a new alliance creation and a new blank standing :)
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.29 21:05:00 - [556] - Quote Originally by: Ioci All this 'outrage' about the Goonfleets use of rhetoric might have a little more meaning if I hadn't just done a mission where the 'terrorists' screamed in local in green font "get the infidels". Who sent you on that mission? Oh, the faction you are working for.... So why are they sending YOU against "terrorists" in missions but purposely allowing PC "Terrorists", who have proclaimed themselves such, to exist peacefully in thier space? Sounds like a great opportunity to test factional warfare; set this group against the other factions and see how it works out. Give any players who align with those factions shoot rights in their faction's space against these so-called terrorists. Deny docking rights to them since they are literally at war with the faction. Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Sleazy P	Posted - 2008.02.29 21:23:00 - [557] - Quote Eve Marie you make a couple of minor points surrounded in complete BS. Quote: 1) Faster Standing Loss: No, completely unnecessary. Quote: 2) No Insurance Payout for Suicide Attackers: This is one of your only good points. This has been suggested elsewhere many times however. Quote: 3) Extended Jump-Clone Delay for Criminals: No. This only serves to needlessly punish people that you have beef against. This is not something that needs to be done to fix any problems in game, this is merely suggested by you as a punishment because you are angry. Quote: 4) Update Harassment Policies: Local chat can be ignored. If you are getting email spams then yes this becomes harassment so submit your petition and move on. Quote: Not everyone in eve feels comfortable enough to PvP. And even though this is a sandbox environment, it should also allow people who aren't fond of PvPing to go by their business without being forced to do so. Wrong game. This is Eve where if you are not fond of PvP you need to look elsewhere. There are no safezones aside from docked. Quote: As I have stated previously in my opening petition post, other games such as GTA and True Crime has been under fire because of their improper use and correlation to suicide bombings and other terrorist acts simulation. As I asked you before in your previous locked threads. Who are you ? Jack Thompson ? Just because they have come under fire doesn't mean a bad thing. GTA has probably done better financially because of all the exposure it has gotten.
Elecktra Blue Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:02:00 - [558] - Quote I do not see why everyone is making such a big deal out of this. If you do not want it to happen to you, simply do not go out into the belts and profit from mining in our holy belts. I think its a sad state of affairs when half of high sec is crying about what is happening and screaming for CCP to manage daily activities of a group of people. I think out of all these posts by various people the best idea so far is that, the only time you are safe is when you are docked, and notice at the undocking sign is hazard yellow and black. Once you load up that pixelated space its all out in the open, and internet spaceships will and more than likely kill you in some form or another, albeit a screaming fanatic as your exhumer/mining barge/ or cruiser is torn asunder. Oh and the infidels will perish at the hands of Us!
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:31:00 - [559] - Quote Originally by: Elecktra Blue simply do not go out into the belts and profit from mining in our holy belts. Right...because you own the Galaxy and stuff...get a grip ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:32:00 - [560] - Quote Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Elecktra Blue simply do not go out into the belts and profit from mining in our holy belts. Right...because you own the Galaxy and stuff...get a grip well yea you could always pay the protection money. Or mine in a T1 mining barge.

Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:34:00 - [561] - Quote Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Elecktra Blue simply do not go out into the belts and profit from mining in our holy belts. Right...because you own the Galaxy and stuff...get a grip well yea you could always pay the protection money. Or mine in a T1 mining barge. So you'll destroy Cruisers, Bantams, Mackinaws and Hulks but leave the Covetors and Retrievers alone? I rather doubt it. ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:35:00 - [562] - Quote For everyone that quits, five more newbees join through a GS recruitment drive. Soon every belt in empire space will be buzzing with the sound of bees. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:48:00 - [563] - Quote Originally by: An Anarchyyt For everyone that quits, five more newbees join through a GS recruitment drive. Soon every belt in empire space will be buzzing with the sound of bees. I'll greet them in my mining Rokh ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:49:00 - [564] - Quote Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Thenoran Originally by: Elecktra Blue simply do not go out into the belts and profit from mining in our holy belts. Right...because you own the Galaxy and stuff...get a grip well yea you could always pay the protection money. Or mine in a T1 mining barge. So you'll destroy Cruisers, Bantams, Mackinaws and Hulks but leave the Covetors and Retrievers alone? I rather doubt it. Yea the newbee's aren't supposed to be killing the batams or osperys i dunno what's going on there.
Shayleigh Snowflower Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:51:00 - [565] - Quote Originally by: Hamfast Anaalys Fluuterby, I will grant you the post above by Shayleigh Snowflower actually did more (IMHO) to support your point then to refute it` as you pointed out, the Caldari would be right miffed at anything that lowers their profits` Gallente would (again in my opinion) follow the Caldari actions, but claim them as itFs own (We did it first, the Caldari just stole the idea from us) as the citizens would not be happy and would want the federation to both fight back and allow them to fight back` As Terrorists tend to be Religious in nature (the Tamil Tigers are an exception as I understand it) I suspect the Minmatar would also raise a force to fight the terrorist threat` they remind them of the Amarr... But the Amarr` the Amarr, may speak against such attacks, but as fellow believers, I suspect they would support them behind the scenes` then again, being allied with the Caldari, the Amarr may follow suite just to keep up the illusion of support` but I doubt their support of the actions against the terrorists would be more then lip service... I do not believe Goonswarm have killed any Caldari constructed ships in numbers. Some of our members have killed a number of ORE faction design ships. These ships compete against the mighty Osprey mining vessel. The jihadswarm does nothing but further caldari ship design.
Thenoran Caldari Frontier Economics	Posted - 2008.02.29 22:52:00 - [566] - Quote Originally by: Shayleigh Snowflower Originally by: Hamfast Anaalys Fluuterby, I will grant you the post above by Shayleigh Snowflower actually did more (IMHO) to support your point then to refute it` as you pointed out, the Caldari would be right miffed at anything that lowers their profits` Gallente would (again in my opinion) follow the Caldari actions, but claim them as itFs own (We did it first, the Caldari just stole the idea from us) as the citizens would not be happy and would want the federation to both fight back and allow them to fight back` As Terrorists tend to be Religious in nature (the Tamil Tigers are an exception as I understand it) I suspect the Minmatar would also raise a force to fight the terrorist threat` they remind them of the Amarr... But the Amarr` the Amarr, may speak against such attacks, but as fellow believers, I suspect they would support them behind the scenes` then again, being allied with the Caldari, the Amarr may follow suite just to keep up the illusion of support` but I doubt their support of the actions against the terrorists would be more then lip service... I do not believe Goonswarm have killed any Caldari constructed ships in numbers. Some of our members have killed a number of ORE faction design ships. These ships compete against the mighty Osprey mining vessel. The jihadswarm does nothing but further caldari ship design. Oh good, maybe they'll leave my Rokh alone then ------------------------ Mining over 4000m3 per cycle...with a Rokh
poppieface	Posted - 2008.02.29 23:07:00 - [567] - Quote Edited by: poppieface on 29/02/2008 23:08:26 Edited by: poppieface on 29/02/2008 23:08:03 Quote: Eva Maries Moronic Rambling It is overly-emotional people like YOU who point fingers at games like GTA and say this or that is offensive - which results in diluting content and ruining the game for people who do not find it offensive. It is a game - people are going to enjoy it to the fullest extent. By pointing fingers at Goonswarm and petitioning things like this, you are no more guilty than they are for trying to ruin the game for others. So, what if I yell "Crusade!" "Crusade!" ? After all, that is what Jihad pretty much means, but "Crusade" doesnt offend you does it? - Hypocrite
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2008.02.29 23:13:00 - [568] - Quote Originally by: Shayleigh Snowflower Originally by: Hamfast Anaalys Fluuterby, I will grant you the post above by Shayleigh Snowflower actually did more (IMHO) to support your point then to refute it` as you pointed out, the Caldari would be right miffed at anything that lowers their profits` Gallente would (again in my opinion) follow the Caldari actions, but claim them as itFs own (We did it first, the Caldari just stole the idea from us) as the citizens would not be happy and would want the federation to both fight back and allow them to fight back` As Terrorists tend to be Religious in nature (the Tamil Tigers are an exception as I understand it) I suspect the Minmatar would also raise a force to fight the terrorist threat` they remind them of the Amarr... But the Amarr` the Amarr, may speak against such attacks, but as fellow believers, I suspect they would support them behind the scenes` then again, being allied with the Caldari, the Amarr may follow suite just to keep up the illusion of support` but I doubt their support of the actions against the terrorists would be more then lip service... I do not believe Goonswarm have killed any Caldari constructed ships in numbers. Some of our members have killed a number of ORE faction design ships. These ships compete against the mighty Osprey mining vessel. The jihadswarm does nothing but further caldari ship design. But as you can see, I am Gallente, and the Gallente Federation, who are allied with the Ore Faction... Thus I am in fact looking for the Gallente Federation Navy to take up the call and go to war with these terrorists... I would not really have expected the Mega Corps of the Caldari to even take notice of this unless and until it starts eating into their bottom line, and that would take a lot more of a concerted effort then the Goons are able or willing to carry out, but I expect better from the Gallente and Minmatar (I expect nothing but mindless drivel from the Amarr) --------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
Robinete Broadhead Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.29 23:47:00 - [569] - Quote I'm not going to waste my time readinbg this. I just think Goon dip-stick is the new BoB. So bite me! By the way Jihad is just as offensive to me as banning the 4Ss was for that group last year. Wake up CCP equal treatment for all. Bann Goon Dip-Stick from this junk. Yes, I am an ALT in a NOOB Corp.
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.02.29 23:55:00 - [570] - Quote /me supports this goon op. Almost makes me want to join for a while =p ------------------------------------------------ Movie: + Trillion ISK damage to Care Bear community

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