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Luh Windan	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:26:00 - [91] - Quote Originally by: Cameron Vayle Originally by: Luh Windan Originally by: Cameron Vayle ...crying... That is not crying, just a simple fact, it is a game that I spend money to play and if I do not care for the play style I will leave. I would hope that you do as well unless you are the type to just leave and still pay any monthly fees just to keep your account open. You are acting as if this incursion by the goons has ruined the whole game - whereas actually it is an entertaining event in the game bringing at bit of unpredictability. At the very worst it may be a few days annoyance for people - I doubt it is sustainable from what I have read about the goons finances. You are characterizing it as the end of the world and so I was taking the pss. Multiplayer games are going to be unpredictable - that is part of the fun surely. AI's can't currently do this which is presumably why multiplayer is so popular. However with that comes Other People* - they have minds of their own and sometimes do stuff you don't like - and the Goons very much so - I can understand why people complain - but throwing your toys out of the pram and saying you are going to leave is silly....
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:29:00 - [92] - Quote Originally by: Cameron Vayle Originally by: Luh Windan Originally by: Cameron Vayle ...crying... because - yes everytime anyone leaves a station in empire they are podded by the goons sustained campaign lasting for years now.... Never mind Cameron Vayle- I'm with you - down with things happening!!!1 Down with change!! Down with external events!!! We demand the status quo!!!! We demand a boring!! quiet! life!! - with no disruption! !!! Seems to me that I told him where I was so how can that be considered crying? Oh, let me guess. The point that I will leave. That is not crying, just a simple fact, it is a game that I spend money to play and if I do not care for the play style I will leave. I would hope that you do as well unless you are the type to just leave and still pay any monthly fees just to keep your account open. ok id ask for your stuff but it sounds like it just got suicided owell
Burnharder	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:32:00 - [93] - Quote Originally by: Luh Windan You are acting as if this incursion by the goons has ruined the whole game - whereas actually it is an entertaining event in the game bringing at bit of unpredictability. At the very worst it may be a few days annoyance for people - I doubt it is sustainable from what I have read about the goons finances. You are characterizing it as the end of the world and so I was taking the pss. Multiplayer games are going to be unpredictable - that is part of the fun surely. AI's can't currently do this which is presumably why multiplayer is so popular. However with that comes Other People* - they have minds of their own and sometimes do stuff you don't like - and the Goons very much so - I can understand why people complain - but throwing your toys out of the pram and saying you are going to leave is silly.... The problem with this only comes if it continues because sooner or later it will be hit with the nerf bat, as behaviors like this have been in the past. If it's just a few days then no biggie, otherwise... just wait for the response.
Cameron Vayle Omnicron Industrial Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:41:00 - [94] - Quote Originally by: Dr Paithos Originally by: Cameron Vayle Originally by: Luh Windan Originally by: Cameron Vayle ...crying... because - yes everytime anyone leaves a station in empire they are podded by the goons sustained campaign lasting for years now.... Never mind Cameron Vayle- I'm with you - down with things happening!!!1 Down with change!! Down with external events!!! We demand the status quo!!!! We demand a boring!! quiet! life!! - with no disruption! !!! Seems to me that I told him where I was so how can that be considered crying? Oh, let me guess. The point that I will leave. That is not crying, just a simple fact, it is a game that I spend money to play and if I do not care for the play style I will leave. I would hope that you do as well unless you are the type to just leave and still pay any monthly fees just to keep your account open. ok id ask for your stuff but it sounds like it just got suicided owell Incorrect thought line on your part as they don't have the balls to come get me even though I have told them where I am. Guess they are afraid this is a set up and they will get ganked..... After all... I am just a simple miner....
Luh Windan	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:43:00 - [95] - Quote Originally by: Burnharder The problem with this only comes if it continues because sooner or later it will be hit with the nerf bat, as behaviors like this have been in the past. If it's just a few days then no biggie, otherwise... just wait for the response. I suspect that the goons are more interested in event and the waves it creates than the activity itself. They are (secret) situationists I suspect!
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Military Industrial Research	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:46:00 - [96] - Quote Originally by: Burnharder The problem with this only comes if it continues because sooner or later it will be hit with the nerf bat, as behaviors like this have been in the past. If it's just a few days then no biggie, otherwise... just wait for the response. The regular Goon membership have severe collective ADD, and this thing is not something that came from the leadership. It came spontaneously from the regular members. There is no way it will last. At least not on the current scale.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:47:00 - [97] - Quote Originally by: Burnharder The problem with this only comes if it continues because sooner or later it will be hit with the nerf bat, as behaviors like this have been in the past. If it's just a few days then no biggie, otherwise... just wait for the response. probably the best thing to do in this deep crisis for eve's industrialists is sell some full t1 geddons as a package and start inventing some hulks
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:48:00 - [98] - Quote Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Burnharder The problem with this only comes if it continues because sooner or later it will be hit with the nerf bat, as behaviors like this have been in the past. If it's just a few days then no biggie, otherwise... just wait for the response. The regular Goon membership have severe collective ADD, and this thing is not something that came from the leadership. It came spontaneously from the regular members. There is no way it will last. At least not on the current scale. it started as a contest to win 100 mill isk ( which i won) and kinda ballooned into a mass suicide of all exhumers in high sec.
SPIONKOP Caldari Imperial Technology	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:51:00 - [99] - Quote Does anyone actually like the goons? In all my years of playing eve I have found most of them to be rather dull and rude. I think they must also be the alliance hated by all their "blue" alliance friends. Suicide ganking a barge in high sec space, way to go. Insure ship, Kill barge/s, repair you sec status and repeat. Wonderfull advert for a game with so much depth. Goons are just like school bullys, nothing more, nothing less. They simply need attention and a little love. --------------------------------------------- Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
Zaknussem Caldari The Ironbreakers	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:55:00 - [100] - Quote I actually congratulate Goonswarm for this. They're telling many people the cold, hard truth that life sucks, get a helmet. Don't like that? Well, tough. Ganks are not pleasant events, but they're here, get used to them. Many of the ganks can be averted by the victims simply applying a bit of thought, but there is a flaw present in the ganking process. Namely, that the insurance will be paid regardless of how the ship died. CCP's reaction here should only be to change the insurance payouts so that any ship losses involving CONCORD will not be refunded. This will at least make ganks fair, as the ganker will lose something as well. Don't ever think that ganking will go away, though.

anthar Garman	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:00:00 - [101] - Quote Edited by: anthar Garman on 27/02/2008 21:07:01 Edited by: anthar Garman on 27/02/2008 21:05:42 Originally by: SPIONKOP Suicide ganking a barge in high sec space, way to go. Insure ship, Kill barge/s, repair you sec status and repeat. Wonderfull advert for a game with so much depth. This is the reason it was time to speak up, and its not about goons or their acts, Its about CCP enabling them. CCP is making changes in the game to let them act and its that we need to address. Originally by: Zaknussem CCP's reaction here should only be to change the insurance payouts so that any ship losses involving CONCORD will not be refunded. This will at least make ganks fair, as the ganker will lose something as well. Don't ever think that ganking will go away, though. That is one step, and stop chaning the rules about reaction time from concoard. And this is not about goons it a lot more important then them.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:05:00 - [102] - Quote Those rogue elements in Goonswarm are going to have to be delt with. Goons are a peace loving alliance. As soon as this unpleasantness is behind us, all Hulk pilots will be invited to mine Arkonor and Mercoxit in Scalding Pass. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Lazarus Short	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:14:00 - [103] - Quote I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. Sure, it is a game. But it is a game that I pay for the privilege of playing and where it takes a real life investment of time and effort to obtain the items that were destroyed. It may be a game, but the losses are real. And I refuse to play a game where my investment can be destroyed with impunity. There are no consequences to gankers and the game permits no viable counter strategy to this. If that is the direction that CCP wants to take with EVE, well, best of luck and I'll take my money elsewhere.
karttoon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:19:00 - [104] - Quote Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:24:48 Originally by: Lazarus Short I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. 20 mil to anybody that pops him in a hulk or mackinaw. Eve mail me when it's done.
Marius Duvall Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:21:00 - [105] - Quote Originally by: karttoon Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:20:20 Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:19:35 Originally by: Lazarus Short I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. 20 mil to anybody that pops him in a hulk or mackinaw. Eve mail me when it's done. Matching dis --- Originally by: "Reticenti" Oh, one note to Scius, you have made Goons and BoB agree on something. Good job.
Dianeces Minmatar Repo Industries	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:33:00 - [106] - Quote Originally by: Lazarus Short I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. Sure, it is a game. But it is a game that I pay for the privilege of playing and where it takes a real life investment of time and effort to obtain the items that were destroyed. It may be a game, but the losses are real. And I refuse to play a game where my investment can be destroyed with impunity. There are no consequences to gankers and the game permits no viable counter strategy to this. If that is the direction that CCP wants to take with EVE, well, best of luck and I'll take my money elsewhere. Can I have your stuff if I gank you?
Lord Rue Gallente GenX Societies Inc. Final Retribution Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:37:00 - [107] - Quote Seeing the kind of sandy vagina postings the Goonie's recent actions have been bringing about makes me kind of want to swear allegience to the Holy Amarr god and don a pair of antennae myself. Keep up the holy war against the Macro'ing infedel, JihadSwarm! This is my sig. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Val Streth Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:44:00 - [108] - Quote MY HULK
Dai Nau Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:51:00 - [109] - Quote Originally by: Marius Duvall Originally by: karttoon Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:20:20 Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:19:35 Originally by: Lazarus Short I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. 20 mil to anybody that pops him in a hulk or mackinaw. Eve mail me when it's done. Matching dis I'll throw in 10 to make it an even 50.
Kephael Caldari Out-Rage	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:51:00 - [110] - Quote Originally by: karttoon Edited by: karttoon on 27/02/2008 21:24:48 Originally by: Lazarus Short I'm with Cameron Vayle on this: the day I get ganked, EVE loses at least one customer. 20 mil to anybody that pops him in a hulk or mackinaw. Eve mail me when it's done. Go go gadget, locater agent!

Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:00:00 - [111] - Quote As a primarily industrial character with 4 Hulks I say this: You Go Girlswarm. Anything that lessens the competition for low ends is fine by me. Jihad away swarmies. and before the carebears all go "omg I hope ur next!!!!" i tank my hulks like there gonna be in a triple officer spawn and watch local like a hawk even in the heart of empire Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:01:00 - [112] - Quote Originally by: Zeba As a primarily industrial character with 4 Hulks I say this: You Go Girlswarm. Anything that lessens the competition for low ends is fine by me. Jihad away swarmies. and before the carebears all go "omg I hope ur next!!!!" i tank my hulks like there gonna be in a triple officer spawn and watch local like a hawk even in the heart of empire Well i doubt it has more then 20k effective HP which means its still gankable.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:05:00 - [113] - Quote Well of course it is but the point is I'll notice local swelling up like a ballon. And if you manage to pop a hulk or two no worries I have plenty moar. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:08:00 - [114] - Quote Originally by: Zeba Well of course it is but the point is I'll notice local swelling up like a ballon. And if you manage to pop a hulk or two no worries I have plenty moar. it only takes 1 battleship to waste a tanked hulk fyi :).
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:10:00 - [115] - Quote Then I'll replace it. Mining isn't my only isk making occupation. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Dai Nau Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:13:00 - [116] - Quote Originally by: Zeba As a primarily industrial character with 4 Hulks I say this: You Go Girlswarm. Anything that lessens the competition for low ends is fine by me. Jihad away swarmies. and before the carebears all go "omg I hope ur next!!!!" i tank my hulks like there gonna be in a triple officer spawn and watch local like a hawk even in the heart of empire you do realize most of us can solo a double gistii hulk
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:14:00 - [117] - Quote Originally by: Nasty eX Personally, I'm very offended by the talk of Jihad that Goonswarm and its corps are ranting about on local. As a proud American, I'm hurt by how easy that very strong word gets used. I have not forgot 9/11, and neither should anyone else in the free world. Just like the terrorist's back on that horrible day, the Goonswarm and all their associated corps have cowardly attacked miners in high sec with nothing to loose. Then they spout off religious rants in local forcing their beliefs on their victims. I for one will not follow nor tolerate it. In fact, when my time card runs out, I will be cancelling my subscription until CCP does something to stop what is going on. If I were associated with the Goons in any way, I would be hanging my head in shame on what my fellow Alliance members were doing. Show some balls, stop ganking miners. Any noob can pop a mining ship, show me your real stats and fight a real war without having to hide like the cowards that you are now. Next thing you'll be doing is can baiting the noobs. Just a bunch of wusses in my opinion. As much as I loath the goons, this is really a non-issue. Poor taste, yes, but not enough to worry about. Not enough to worry about at all. Play nice while you butcher each other.
Kahega Amielden	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:23:00 - [118] - Quote This is awesome. 1) You consent to PVP when you hit the undock button...yes, this includes hulk pilots in hisec 2) If you're offended by the Jihad theme, then calm the hell down and stop being so easily offended.
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:24:00 - [119] - Quote Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: Zeba Well of course it is but the point is I'll notice local swelling up like a ballon. And if you manage to pop a hulk or two no worries I have plenty moar. it only takes 1 battleship to waste a tanked hulk fyi :). as someone with a goon roommate I understand your intentions, however, don't say you can kill a non-AFK miner, I've seen the way you guys work you fly around, fuind them, get set up, smartbombing 4 at once for the win, and then BOOM! but an active miner has more than the time they wuld need to get away form you guys. and a full smartbomb fit will kill most hulks, but not well tanked ones. just saying :P well I don't mine other than 0.0 space so go go go. there are goon and then there are goons. Some Operate solo with a covert ops with warping and dont give them a chance to escape and others do silly things like use 4 bs to smart bomb a group of Mac's i Think i heard you in the background of TS when they were doing that yesterday :).
Sean Dillon Caldari Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:24:00 - [120] - Quote Originally by: Dai Nau Originally by: Zeba As a primarily industrial character with 4 Hulks I say this: You Go Girlswarm. Anything that lessens the competition for low ends is fine by me. Jihad away swarmies. and before the carebears all go "omg I hope ur next!!!!" i tank my hulks like there gonna be in a triple officer spawn and watch local like a hawk even in the heart of empire you do realize most of us can solo a double gistii hulk Mail me how please!!! I doubt it. Suicide gankig is the most hilarious thing you can do in eve keep it up goonies!

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