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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.08 02:02:00 -
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Wanted to train up amarr, and since I just recently moved into sansha territory, so now I have a good excuse. Want to know your opinions/setups for a ratting geddon.
7x Named Megapulse, Radio, Standard, Multifreq, Salvager
100MN AB II, 2x Cap IIs
3x HS II, 2x CPR II, LAR II, Armor EM II, Armor Therm II
3x CCC
5x Ogre Is
Permaruns everything but the AB with multifreq in, Runs a bit over 10 minutes with radio and AB on, with 5/4.
Thoughts, suggestions?
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XFreedomX
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Posted - 2008.03.08 03:05:00 -
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Smart bomb for frig rats
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Tyrael Primus
The Commissum
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Posted - 2008.03.08 11:14:00 -
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I use:
5 X Best Named Tachyon, Tractor Beam, Salvager, Drone Control Unit
3 X Cap Recharger II
1 LAR II, 1 DCU II, 2 active hardner IIs, 2 passive hardner IIs, HS II, Tracking II
Rigs: 2 X Auxiliary Nano Pump, 1 X Nanobot Accelerator
Drones: 5 X Light IIs, 5 X Medium IIs
I use the tachs for cruisers and up and my drones for cruisers and down, great falloff on tachs and i can slowly make my way to the gate while switching crystals as necessary. With 80-90% mission specific resists I don't need my LAR II all the time but can permatank (cap stable) with tachs off and drones ON. Only downside is it make for a slow ride but by the time u get to the next gate/area you've got everything looted, salvaged just make a beeline for the next gate and you're gold.
I've done just about every lvl 4 mission and never lost my geddon, had to warp out a few times when I didn't fit the right hardners...
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Kalidann
Caldari Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2008.03.08 12:01:00 -
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1) Sell the geddon, buy an Abaddon. 2) profit.
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Agil TradeAlt
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Posted - 2008.03.08 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kalidann 1) Sell the geddon, buy an Abaddon. 2) profit.
QFT. Geddon is a crappy ratting ship. Abaddon is better but only in sansha/Blood regions. The best for any region is Raven. You can put on a cloak and a smartbomb, a WCS and a sensor booster and become Isk farmer premier!.
Originally by: CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
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Nefra Ravenheart
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Posted - 2008.03.08 17:30:00 -
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Actually the Geddon has some advantages for 0.0 ratting, its cheaper, has a larger dronebay, and is more cap stable than the Abaddon. However, if you're going to put 3x CCC rigs on it, you might as well get the Abaddon.
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Meridius Dex
Amarr Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.08 18:04:00 -
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Yeah, you guys downing the Geddon are nuts. It's the best of the Amarr BS for ratting and I've used all three extensively. The goal of ratting is to do it quick - the faster the better, the more ISK/hour. Nothing generates me more ISK/hour in the drone regions than a rigged Armageddon:
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I Damage Control II Dark Blood Adaptive Nano Plating Capacitor Power Relay II 3x Heat Sink II
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets 2x Cap Recharger II
Small Tractor Beam I 7x Dual Modulated Heavy Energy Beam I, Amarr Navy Multifrequency L
2x Capacitor Control Circuit I Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Ogre I x5
The above tanks triple BS spawn without breaking a sweat and melts them in about 40 seconds apiece. Pulses do more DPS, but beams start the ganking sooner whilst you are MWDing into range.
I make 100-110M on average in 2.5 hours's worth of ratting drones. Sanshas ought equally lucrative. -- Meridius Dex --
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Nefra Ravenheart
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Posted - 2008.03.08 18:10:00 -
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I think you're nuts for putting DHB's and a 1600mm plate on a ratting geddon. Its a good ship nonetheless.
TBH, you shouldn't need any rigs to get a decent ratting setup on an Armageddon, and its cheaper when you lose it.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.08 18:14:00 -
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I thought the geddon would be the best choice due to DPS. Ratting is all about efficiency, and the more damage output, the quicker spawns die. Plus it has more mobility than the freight-liner Abaddon.
Anyway back to the setups... MWD and beams are interesting. I hit 43 optimal and 7.2 falloff with modulated megapulse and radio. Will this not be enough? I thought about a MWD and beams, but I don't see the PG allowing me. Off to EFT!
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.08 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nefra Ravenheart I think you're nuts for putting DHB's and a 1600mm plate on a ratting geddon. Its a good ship nonetheless.
TBH, you shouldn't need any rigs to get a decent ratting setup on an Armageddon, and its cheaper when you lose it.
I don't plan on losing it. I've been 0.0 ratting for a good bit over 3 years, and haven't lost a ship while PvEing (including getting ganked) in at least 18-20 months. Plus the CCCs make up for their efficiency, and I build them myself.
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Nefra Ravenheart
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Posted - 2008.03.08 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nefra Ravenheart on 08/03/2008 18:36:58
Personally I'd fit:
1x LAR II 2-3x Armor Hardener II 3x HS II 1-2x Cap Power Relay II
1x 100MN Afterburner 2x Cap Recharger II
7x Modulated Mega Pulse (Multifreq/Standard/Microwave) 1x Small Tractor Beam
3x CCC rigs mostly optional
You'll be able to do damage out to 50 km with Microwave and still out-damage the Dual Heavy Beams (they max out at 80km or so).
EDIT: that's what your original setup was lol
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.08 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic Plus the CCCs make up for their efficiency, and I build them myself.
And they are ofcourse free because you build them yourself?
Oh... wait.
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NoNah
Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.08 20:46:00 -
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Personally I'd say the geddon is one of the best ratting ships - ever.
When you're ratting there's just three things you need to consider: Damage output Speed Stability
With decent skills, damageoutput will be enough to cover stability, and also speed is compensated for by the massive damage output. If you loot and salvage, you'll have to warp off often enough to survive on the shield buffer of the geddon for ratting in sansha space. There's just no need for a LAR for ratting. A MAR with 2 harderners is plenty.
Gank it up, ignore the tank, fill spare slots with tracking comps/enhancers(optimal).
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.08 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: AstroPhobic Plus the CCCs make up for their efficiency, and I build them myself.
And they are ofcourse free because you build them yourself?
Oh... wait.
Would it make you feel better if I bought CCCs off the market and then sold the ones I built? Because THAT would make economic sense.
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NoNah
Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.08 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: AstroPhobic Plus the CCCs make up for their efficiency, and I build them myself.
And they are ofcourse free because you build them yourself?
Oh... wait.
Would it make you feel better if I bought CCCs off the market and then sold the ones I built? Because THAT would make economic sense.
Actually, it would be the exact same thing. A state of equilibrium. Sell one == fitting one, from a wallet perspective.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: AstroPhobic Plus the CCCs make up for their efficiency, and I build them myself.
And they are ofcourse free because you build them yourself?
Oh... wait.
Would it make you feel better if I bought CCCs off the market and then sold the ones I built? Because THAT would make economic sense.
Actually, it would be the exact same thing. A state of equilibrium. Sell one == fitting one, from a wallet perspective.
If you could sell YOUR rigs at the same exact price as the lowest seller, then yes. It doesn't usually work like that though, and undercutting your own mates is kinda low.
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NoNah
Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: AstroPhobic Plus the CCCs make up for their efficiency, and I build them myself.
And they are ofcourse free because you build them yourself?
Oh... wait.
Would it make you feel better if I bought CCCs off the market and then sold the ones I built? Because THAT would make economic sense.
Actually, it would be the exact same thing. A state of equilibrium. Sell one == fitting one, from a wallet perspective.
If you could sell YOUR rigs at the same exact price as the lowest seller, then yes. It doesn't usually work like that though, and undercutting your own mates is kinda low.
No, normally you can sell your rigs at a higher price than the lowest available sell order. And if your friends is crippling your marketsurfing - you have the wrong friends.
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.08 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah quotepyramid
Okay. Well we're going off topic so... back on topic. Anyone else want to share their geddon ratting setups?
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Alyth
Gallente Blue. Blue Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.08 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: NoNah quotepyramid
Okay. Well we're going off topic so... back on topic. Anyone else want to share their geddon ratting setups?
To be honest the only thing I would change with that setup is swapping the guns for t2 when you can use them and ditto with the drones. Anybody who says the Abaddon is a better ship for ratting just because it has one more turret with the same bonus (that is likely to get dropped for either a tractor, salavager or smarty anyway) is being rather pedantic. The Geddon is a third of the cost and is just as good. -------------------------------------------
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Meridius Dex
Amarr Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.08 23:45:00 -
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Yeah, I mentioned in my prior post that pulse clearly do more damage than beams, but when you are closing on spawns from upwards of 50-60KMs, it just takes a bit longer to get to them (while tanking), before you can light them up. I do use Microwaves for long range, but I've found that a beam setup with AN Multis really starts the melting pretty much from the warp-in point.
And I don't fit Megas on my ratting ship. In order to do so, you have to drop either your repper or MWD. An active tank is a must for ratting and MWD makes everything go faster. Again, I want speed and efficiency when I rat, so I can get it done quick. Duals melt rats fast when you have the 3 HS, as you should.
To further drive the point home versus other Amarr BS, having the utility slot for a tractor works out great on the geddon, as your monster drone bay significantly adds to your DPS - more than making up the difference an 8th slot would provide.
As it is, I anchor two cans at a safe spot in a system and can fill both up in about 2-3 hours. Even without salvaging any of the wrecks (which would bring even more ISK, but add significantly more time to the process), I still make well over 100M with those two container loads.
That's averaging about 40M an hour - which most vets will tell you is pretty good for most activities in EVE. Most miners I know don't make that much per hour and most high-level mission-runners have to put up with a ton more crap to not make quite that much. I only ran a couple Level 4s before I made the move to zero sec, but I can tell you it didn't pay anywhere near as much as ratting Guristas or drones in zero sec. -- Meridius Dex --
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Nefra Ravenheart
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Posted - 2008.03.08 23:53:00 -
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Large Armor Repairer II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Heat Sink IIx3 Capacitor Power Relay IIx2
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Cap Recharger II x2
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I x7 Small Tractor Beam I
Capacitor Control Circuit Ix3
It all fits and is even cap stable when you turn off the MWD.
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Meridius Dex
Amarr Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.09 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nefra Ravenheart Large Armor Repairer II Armor Thermic Hardener II Armor EM Hardener II Heat Sink IIx3 Capacitor Power Relay IIx2
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Cap Recharger II x2
Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I x7 Small Tractor Beam I
Capacitor Control Circuit Ix3
It all fits and is even cap stable when you turn off the MWD.
Yeah, that's doable with minimum Advanced Weapon Upgrades II (and Engineering V, of course). -- Meridius Dex --
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arbalesttom
Caldari Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.09 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kalidann 1) Sell the geddon, buy an Abaddon. 2) ??? 3) Profit
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.09 02:55:00 -
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Okay, I see your point about beam damage at longer ranges. It's a bit higher than pulses are ranges where these rats are likely to travel. I'm not sure if I'm even going to use the tractor beam, which means I can drop the MWD for an AB, and have everything including the AB perma. Can also drop a CCC for that Aux rig. Considering Curators too instead of ogres for instadamage. What do you think?
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Alyth
Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.10 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: arbalesttom
Originally by: Kalidann 1) Sell the geddon, buy an Abaddon. 2) ??? 3) Profit
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Whats the point of an Abaddon over a Geddon? The extra mid you gain will only be used for a cap mod because of the cap use bonus the Abaddon loses whereas the geddon can use 4 slots for tanking (1 LAR II and 1 MAR II is more than enough vs the Sansha rats specified) 1 for a cap mod/tracking mod if you are so inclined and the remaining ones for heatsinks, pushing it's DPS way above and beyond that of the Abaddon. From EFT (yes I know it's not the be all and end all of setups but it helps) a Geddon with 7x megapulse II, 1x 100mn AB II and the lows I mentioned pumps out 998 DPS (with ogre II's in the bay) at 45km. The Abaddon can only manage 600dps with an unsustainable tank with dual LAR II (and only just manages it with with the Geddon tank mentioned above)and 1 more turret. It's lows and mids are entirely dedicated to cap mods and 3x CCC's are a necessity on both ships so where, I ask, is the advantage in having a ship that costs 3 times as much and is only half as efficient at the same job? -------------------------------------------
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2008.03.10 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Nefra Ravenheart Actually the Geddon has some advantages for 0.0 ratting, its cheaper, has a larger dronebay, and is more cap stable than the Abaddon. However, if you're going to put 3x CCC rigs on it, you might as well get the Abaddon.
right on the button.
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royal killer
Amarr The Funkalistic SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.10 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: Ryysa
Originally by: AstroPhobic Plus the CCCs make up for their efficiency, and I build them myself.
And they are ofcourse free because you build them yourself?
Oh... wait.
Would it make you feel better if I bought CCCs off the market and then sold the ones I built? Because THAT would make economic sense.
I buy CCC's off the market, refine them, make new ones, and sell those. --------------------
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Chelone
Stone Shadow Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.10 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: Chelone on 10/03/2008 22:53:39 Edited by: Chelone on 10/03/2008 22:52:08 I've taken Meridius' setup from a previous thread, and I've modified it for value, and effectiveness:
7xDual Heavy Modulated Beam (I use Microwave&XRay, up to you) 1xTractor Beam
1xQuad Lif MWD 2xCap II
1xLAR II 1xEANM II 1xDC II 1x1600mm Rolled Tungsten 2xBeta Cap Relay 2xHeat Sink II
5xHammerhead II 5xHobgoblin II 5xMedium ECM Drones
(No rigs!)
It's very effective, efficient, and also cheap to lose. I calculated total replacement cost at 25M including ship, 100% insurance and all mods, though that was before T2 drones, but those are optional and based on your skills. I simply do not recommend 5xheavy drones, and would never go back to using them. You really don't even need the drones' damage output with this ship, and heavy drones are SO SLOW that often you have burned the target to ashes by the time they even arrive. All things considered, mediums end up doing similar damage since they arrive faster, and they give you 75 m3 extra drone space to work with. A set of light drones helps you clear the frigs in all of the garbage spawns, and saves you from being locked down by small scram drones. 5xMed ECM rounds it out with a little emergency PvP defense.
MWD is great for getting to the spawns, 20km is tractor range and incidentally also the range of my guns with XRay. You can use higher damage crystals, but under 10km you'll start losing damage to tracking, so it's up to you. For tank, EANM+DC+Plate gives you the ability to be lazy. Sometimes I'll take 4000 armor damage (which is only like 30%) before I even bother turning on the rep. But if you want to switch out the EANM+DC for 2 targeted hardeners, it would give you better resists for those types.
If you really want to triple your cost-of-loss by adding rigs, run some CCC's and switch a cap relay for a 3rd heatsink. I think it's a waste though, and really not necessary. I've used this setup for a couple weeks of drone ratting, thought about what I'd change, and other than considering switching to an explosive hardener, I really wouldn't change a thing.
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