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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.11 10:20:00 -
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Saynen Grulliver, this is a fools errand. While I will not, indeed cannot debate with you the nature of this light I can speak of your folly.
As a Shaman of the Ushra’Khan I cannot be silent on this. The spirit world of our ancestors will be reached by us all when we pass through the veil of death. What will you tell them when you get there? That you turned your backs on the strife of your people? That you chose instead to spend generations drifting through the blackness?
The greatest death of all is one that comes at the end of a long and fruitful life surrounded by your descendants and beloved by your clan. The next greatest death is to die fighting for a future in which all Matari can die well, as old men with a lifetime of noble deeds to speak of in the afterlife.
Our ancestors live in us, they live in our memories, in our legends and in the very blood of our veins. They are with us here and now. To honour them do great deeds for our people, here and now.
This life, this war we must fight. This is the arduous path to the spirit world, walk it with me, walk it with my Brothers and your names will one day live forever in the hearts of free men.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.03.11 13:38:00 -
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Or we can look at this in more practical terms. This light is about 3.64 million light years away.
Assume that you could actually travel towards the light at 13.5 AU a second, though the expeditionary vessel would probably be much slower. You can't use a jump drive because you need a cynosural field to lock onto, something with gravity that is not a star, planet, or black hole.
There are 63,239.6717 AUs in a light year.
3,640,000 LY = 63,239.6717(3,640,000) AU
or 230,192,404,990 AU
230,192,404,990 AU / 13.5 AU/s = 17,051,289,258.5185 seconds of travel
284,188,154.308642 minutes of travel
4,736,469.23847737 hours of travel
197,352.884936557 days of travel
You would not reach this star for nearly 542 years at a constant 13.5 AU/s speed assuming a constant vector, which is impossible. Of course, that's assuming no breaks in travel and no mechanical breakdowns. So yes, I would say reconsider.
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Mr Reeth
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.03.11 14:42:00 -
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They are free men and woman doing something important to them. Who are you to naysay their dreams? What they are doing takes true guts and lots of faith. I wish them well on their voyage. I hope they find what they are looking for or something even better.
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Julian Vorenus
Amarr
Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.11 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Julian Vorenus on 11/03/2008 14:51:41
This expedition, this attempt to reach the distant light is quite humorous actually. One cannot reach something that is so far away it can be seen everywhere in New Eden. This Matari "holy man" needs to realize his place, and that bringing his people with him will only result in all their deaths.
But, if he's fond of death in the blackness of space, then I suppose he may be doing a service to his people by ridding them of himself in pursuit of said death.
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Daro Con
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Posted - 2008.03.11 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Daro Con on 11/03/2008 15:44:16
I some what agree with Telemicus Thrace, I to am Shaman. yes we should fight for This war and Free are people
but i cant stress this anymore. This star(i have seen it in Outerring and now as you see in the picture)or bright Light is there for a reason (maybe to help us in a war are even better unite Us all . ammar, Matar, Gallente , Caldari, Jovian, all have the same ancestors and curiosity of are ancestors and If they where not curios of what was out there we would not be here.
So with that said I support this and we should find out what it is Since after all we are all curios its are Nature.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Heretic Logistics
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2008.03.11 18:32:00 -
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I was amused by the Amarrian who was asked for comment, who, like the great majority of Loyalist trash, went off on another misguided rant about his phony religion, as if it still had some relevance.
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Ikasu
Gallente
Scrutari
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.11 18:43:00 -
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 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
I was amused by the Amarrian who was asked for comment, who, like the great majority of Loyalist trash, went off on another misguided rant about his phony religion, as if it still had some relevance.
I think everybody was. It's like:
"Lol Amarr"
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2008.03.13 10:47:00 -
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Indeed, those fanatics just love to comment on anything and everything.
That is an upside to this foolish voyage, they wouldn't have to deal with scum like you Reeth. How about you free every single slave the militia holds and renounce slavery. Then maybe you can comment on matters of freedom without being a laughing stock.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Indeed, those fanatics just love to comment on anything and everything.
That is an upside to this foolish voyage, they wouldn't have to deal with scum like you Reeth. How about you free every single slave the militia holds and renounce slavery. Then maybe you can comment on matters of freedom without being a laughing stock.
I've already renounced slavery. Or don't you remember posting in this thread?
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/525446/page/1
And don't you find it just the smallest bit ironic that I'm supporting these Matari's freedom to make thier own choices and you are telling them how to live thier lives?
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2008.03.13 13:33:00 -
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In all the midst of your snipes and double talk I missed the official announcement by the Aegis Militia that states you have renounced slavery. I certainly would have recalled the release of thousands of slaves. By all means, provide a link to that announcement.
I know this is hard for your kind to understand but I am expressing an opinion. Show me where I have ordered Saynen to stop. I have not, I do not have that authority as one free man to another. As a free man and one who is fairly close to matters of Matari Shamanism, unlike yourself, I do have every right to make my case.
Seriously, you have to stop trolling every Matari broadcast with your mewling. Go and find an new Emperor or something. It really is getting pathetic.
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Natalcya Katla
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Posted - 2008.03.13 13:41:00 -
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I am convinced that these adventurers or their descendants, if they reach their destination, will find that it is something vastly different than the gateway to fairyland they imagine it to be. Still, I must commend Saynen Grulliver and his followers on their courage in attempting this journey. Progress often comes from enterprises which are decried as foolish when they are first attempted.
If Saynen Grulliver were to change his mind about making this journey out of fear for his own life or those of his followers, it is understandable and probably also wise. If he decides to stay in order to see to the needs of the living, that is more commendable still. If, however, he were to reconsider this project out of fear for displeasing a bunch of imaginary ghosts, that would in my opinion be a pity.
Even assuming for a moment that ghosts do exist, it is none of those dead people's business how their descendants live - and eventually, how they die. And it is better by far to die in the blackness of space than to rot away on the surface of a rock.
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Mr Reeth
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Posted - 2008.03.13 16:05:00 -
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Hmmmà
I only wanted to show some support for these brave and admirable pilgrims. IĈm sorry if you found an Amarrian loyalist doing so offensive. I will delete all previous comments and bow out of this thread.
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Amira Silvermist
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Posted - 2008.03.13 17:50:00 -
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Edited by: Amira Silvermist on 13/03/2008 17:50:16
Originally by: Mr Reeth
I only wanted to show some support for these brave and admirable pilgrims. IĈm sorry if you found an Amarrian loyalist doing so offensive. I will delete all previous comments and bow out of this thread.
You better do so...
"Freedom of speech" exists only for the Minmatar/Gallente and their friends/supporters.
Everybody else is just a vile propagandist and should shut his filthy mouth.
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Telemicus Thrace
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Posted - 2008.03.13 21:39:00 -
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Amarrian loyalists, enslavers of our people, wardens of the labour camps, operators of the termination centres. Rapists, torturers, kidnappers, murders, liars and scum. Why do you imagine I care about your freedoms or your opinions while you hold millions of my people in chains.
If your words are so worthless that you now delete them perhaps you can show better judgment in future and not transmit them at all.
Saynen, my message still stands, I hope that it has not been completely drowned out by the barking of Amarrian dogs. With the light now gone I suspect this matter is now closed. I am of course happy to discuss matters of the Shamanic path.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2008.03.13 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Amarrian loyalists, enslavers of our people, wardens of the labour camps, operators of the termination centres. Rapists, torturers, kidnappers, murders, liars and scum. Why do you imagine I care about your freedoms or your opinions while you hold millions of my people in chains.
If your words are so worthless that you now delete them perhaps you can show better judgment in future and not transmit them at all.
Saynen, my message still stands, I hope that it has not been completely drowned out by the barking of Amarrian dogs. With the light now gone I suspect this matter is now closed. I am of course happy to discuss matters of the Shamanic path.
Such anger, such prejudice.
You should learn to leave all of this hatred behind and follow God's path.
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Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Garion Avarr
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Posted - 2008.03.14 01:24:00 -
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Edited by: Garion Avarr on 14/03/2008 01:24:10
Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
Amarrian loyalists, enslavers of our people, wardens of the labour camps, operators of the termination centres. Rapists, torturers, kidnappers, murders, liars and scum. Why do you imagine I care about your freedoms or your opinions while you hold millions of my people in chains.
Are you saying that you fight for freedom and yet do not care about the freedoms of a specific group, if it suits your goal? Just as some Amarrians do not care about the freedoms of a specific group, if it suits their goals?
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Rainrix Deathwish
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Posted - 2008.03.14 07:26:00 -
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I think he meant as long as Matari and other races are held as slaves, For as long as the slavers do not respect their rights and freedom, He will not respect their rights and freedom.
..I think..
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Kra RA
The Aegis Militia
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2008.03.14 08:47:00 -
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We love you. We care about lesser races.
Goodness of Amarr see no limits!
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Lyra Garris
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.14 09:32:00 -
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This seems to have turned into another typical Amarr-bashing, all because an Amarrian had the gall to reply and oppose the original thought. The horrors.
Aren't the Amarr were supposed to be the prejudicial racists?
Get your propaganda straight, Thrace.
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Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.03.14 10:27:00 -
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If you do not like my responses slaver then refrain from bringing your propaganda to every single broadcast made by a Matari. It is sad and repetative.
You raid our worlds, you enslave our people, you butcher our children and exterminate our elders. Yet you come here, to a broadcast about Matari Shamanism, bleating to me about your freedom. 
I will leave the Amarr in peace the moment you renounce slavery and free our people. Until then your lives are forfeit. You are targets of war and I do not take prisoners. Debate the meaning of that as much as you like, it is crystal clear to all but a fool.
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Andreus Ixiris
Heretic Logistics
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2008.03.16 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lyra Garris
This seems to have turned into another typical Amarr-bashing, all because an Amarrian had the gall to reply and oppose the original thought. The horrors.
It is out of the typical Amarr sense of unwarranted self-importance that almost all Amarr-bashing arises - they choose to meddle in things that are none of their business (science, technology, sexuality, culture, the entire Minmatar race, the Jovians, the Caldari, the Gallente - well, you get the idea. CONCORD characters-per-message quotas would be exceeded several thousand times if I had to do a full list), and thus draw criticism (sometimes in the form of words, sometimes in the form of 1400mm rifle-bore Fusion warhead cannon shells, as your... dear friends Tharon, Kumo T'sun and Tobias might remember)
Originally by: Lyra Garris
Aren't the Amarr were supposed to be the prejudicial racists?
Amarr Loyalists are, without question, always prejudicial racists. While this may itself sound prejudicial, it's really actually a truth, prejudicial or not - without at least the implicit assumption that your race is unquestionably superior to all others, it's really impossible to truly support some of the actions that the Empire has taken.
There is also a not ubiquitous but still depressingly widespread tendancy towards mendacity, deceit and barefaced falsehood. Take, for instance, Aurelius Sarum, who claims that he is a reformist, yet happily, off-handedly talks about keeping slaves, the innate inferiority of other races and is generally a vicious, spiteful racist and homophobe. He says things about the Gallente, for instance, that I wouldn't dare to say even about the Amarrian Empire.
Originally by: Lyra Garris
Get your propaganda straight, Thrace.
Tell me, I've only vaguely studied the Amarrian language so I'm not entirely sure if there's a translation issue or if it's a cultural thing.
[TRANSLATION SOFTWARE DISABLED - RAW TRANSCRIPT FOLLOWS]
L'ironie de la situation
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Now, I just said, in unfiltered Gallentean, "The irony of the situaton". If you're unsure of the truth of this statement, look it up using a Amarrian-Gallente dictionary. When I say "irony", what does it translate into Amarrian as? Do Amarrians not have a word that this concept translates into? Or is it a deeper thing, that the Amarrian culture does not understand the concept of irony at all?
What I'm trying to say is, in a fairly roundabout way is, do you understand the incongruity or discordance between what you say and what you mean, or are generally understood to mean?
More specifically, do you understand that accusing others of the use of propaganda is seriously incongruous considering your status as a hardliner Amarrian loyalist?
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Sins Of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2008.03.16 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Telemicus Thrace
If you do not like my responses slaver then refrain from bringing your propaganda to every single broadcast made by a Matari. It is sad and repetative.
You raid our worlds, you enslave our people, you butcher our children and exterminate our elders. Yet you come here, to a broadcast about Matari Shamanism, bleating to me about your freedom.
I will leave the Amarr in peace the moment you renounce slavery and free our people. Until then your lives are forfeit. You are targets of war and I do not take prisoners. Debate the meaning of that as much as you like, it is crystal clear to all but a fool.
I resent your statements..as I recall I have on more than one occassion helped the Matari with issues regarding slaves...to tell me that I am a war target because of my race is as bad as the Amarr taking Matari as slaves..
Oh and I'm back
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.17 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
There is also a not ubiquitous but still depressingly widespread tendancy towards mendacity, deceit and barefaced falsehood. Take, for instance, Aurelius Sarum, who claims that he is a reformist, yet happily, off-handedly talks about keeping slaves, the innate inferiority of other races and is generally a vicious, spiteful racist and homophobe. He says things about the Gallente, for instance, that I wouldn't dare to say even about the Amarrian Empire.
It's quite consistent for a reform-minded liberal to be pro-slavery. After all, one can reform the institution of slavery without abolishing it.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Andreus Ixiris
Heretic Logistics
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2008.03.17 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
It's quite consistent for a reform-minded liberal to be pro-slavery. After all, one can reform the institution of slavery without abolishing it.
Well, that just puts a slightly prettier face on his barbarity. It is rare indeed that I respect someone less than you, Blake, but at least you're somewhat honest about your intentions.
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