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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2008.03.11 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Ibex on 11/03/2008 16:54:30
1)0.0 Sansha ratting.
2)Level 3 missions
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/9489/drakesd1.jpg
With Quick Fit it used to be possible to calculate your ship against an NPC and see if you can handle it, but now when it's outdated and discontinued, I don't know how to "see" if my setup is good enough against something.
Thanx in advance
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Liang Nuren
Black Sea Industries
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:01:00 -
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Its a failship.... and it has a missing low. So no, probably not good enough. :)
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:04:00 -
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That's the sort of Drake fit I'd expect if someone blindly dragged items around in EveFit and opened their eyes when they thought the fit was complete.
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Bronson Hughes
Knights of the Wild
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Bronson Hughes on 11/03/2008 17:06:10
It looks like you're on the right track.
1) Could be better. Your tank is borderline but your DPS is low so killing BS spawns will take forever.
2) Against Sansha/Blood Raider missions, you should be able to do level 3s if you don't go aggroing whole rooms.
You would do well to get yourself into T2 hardeners and train up your Weapons Upgrades/Advanced Weapons Upgrades skills. What I'll typically use for what you're describing is:
7x best named Heavy Launchers that I can reasonably afford
3x T2 Shield Hardeners
3x T2 Large Shield Extenders
3x T2 BCUs
1x T2 SPR
Depending on my targets, I will occasionally drop an extender for an afterburner. This setup will have a better tank than yours, but the real benefit is the extra DPS. Killing stuff faster is always a good thing because it reduces incoming fire and leaves you in space in your 'ratting ship less.
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Ki Tarra
Caldari
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Sir Ibex
With Quick Fit it used to be possible to calculate your ship against an NPC and see if you can handle it, but now when it's outdated and discontinued, I don't know how to "see" if my setup is good enough against something.
Right click the defence icon and you can specify your own damage type profiles.
As for your ability to kill NPC's, you will need to factor in their resistances manually, but it is not hard to figure out your damage type ratios and work out an effective resistance for the NPC's.
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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Ibex on 11/03/2008 17:15:26
I did not blindly drag items into slots. I took one of the best rated fits on battleclinic and modified it so that I could use it with my low skills.
Understand that I'm not looking to be ultra efficient right now. I'd be happy if I could "barely handle" these rats both damage wise and tank wise. Apparently that's not the case, so I'll keep training those skills.
Thanx for the setup Bronson.. What's SPR?
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Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co.
Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:17:00 -
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Here is a set-up I used to run level 3s in.
7 x Heavy Missile Launchers
2 x Invulnerability Fields
2 x Large Shield Extenders
2 x Shield Rechargers
4 x Shield Power Relays
1 x Capacitor Control Circuit (if you want to run the Invul Fields forever, otherwise they work for 20 minutes)
Can tank roughly 250 DPS tech 1. I think it's like 350 DPS tech 2.
But I haven't tried this set-up in a while, it could be terrible now, it was just a general, cheap, easy to get set-up.
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Thorek Ironbrow
Ironbrow Industries Co.
Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Thorek Ironbrow on 11/03/2008 17:24:40
http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drakevz8.jpg
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.03.11 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Wet Ferret on 11/03/2008 17:40:06
Well, your setup is fine for level 3s.
Not really sure about ratting... Sansha's are some of the most hard-hitting NPCs out there and I fear with your low DPS they may break your tank before you can break theirs. For comparison's sake, I get 321 DPS with plain old Thunderbolts and Hobgoblin IIs, and they still give me a hard time 
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Grendelsbane
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Posted - 2008.03.12 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Ibex
Edited by: Sir Ibex on 11/03/2008 17:19:49
Edited by: Sir Ibex on 11/03/2008 17:18:13
Edited by: Sir Ibex on 11/03/2008 17:15:26
I did not blindly drag items into slots. I took one of the best rated fits on battleclinic and modified it so that I could use it with my low skills.
Forgot that other "low". Another BCS goes there. As for that high, I might put a tractor or a painter there once I can afford the cap/cpu.
Understand that I'm not looking to be ultra efficient right now. I'd be happy if I could "barely handle" these rats both damage wise and tank wise. Apparently that's not the case, so I'll keep training those skills.
Thanx for the setup Bronson..
It's good that you're doing research on fits, and I've seen far worse fits that would make everyone in this thread cry. But it you don't have the skills to run a totally basic T1 passive tank, you really should not be flying a Drake.
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Sir Ibex
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Posted - 2008.03.13 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Ibex on 13/03/2008 14:30:44
Originally by: Grendelsbane
It's good that you're doing research on fits, and I've seen far worse fits that would make everyone in this thread cry. But it you don't have the skills to run a totally basic T1 passive tank, you really should not be flying a Drake.
Well... First of all, I am NOT flying a drake. I'm only doing research for when I'll be flying one. ;) And where do you see a T1 setup? At least half of the tank is composed of T2 stuff, no?
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Hitme Harder
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Posted - 2008.03.13 14:44:00 -
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It'll work for both but yeah thats pretty bad.
Mids get 3x extenders 3x hardeners, lows get 3x spr's and a pds. And a tractor beam.
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Haradgrim
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:04:00 -
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Sansha ratting Drake:
7 x HML II w/ Scourge (Kinetic bonus is worth not using the best dmg type)
1 x tractor
2 x Lrg Extender IIs
1 x Shield Recharger
1 x Invuln field II
1 x EM hardener II
1 x Themal hardener II
Lows
2 x SPR II
1 x PDU II
1 x BCU II
Drones:
5 x Warrior II
Rigs:
3 x Core Defence Field Extender
If you don't want to pay for those rigs, use 1 x em hardener, 1 x thermal hardener and one rig of your choice (either another shield hardener or an extender or purger rig)
You won't fit a 3 x LSE setup with 3 SPRs and still fit 7 Launchers, its worth it for the DPS to go with 1 PDU and only 2 extenders. I highly recomend extender rigs, they help alot, and you shouldnt be ratting with hostiles in system anyhow so the extra cost is a moot point.
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Jiao Atuan
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Posted - 2008.03.13 15:31:00 -
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Highs:
7x Heavy Missile Launcher (the best you can fit/afford) w/ Scourge
1x Tractor (if you rat, not necessary for lvl 3 missions)
Med:
2x LSE II
1x Shield Recharger II
3x Hardeners (1 Invulnerability and 2 mission specific)
Lows:
2x SPR II
1x BCU II
1x CN BCU (expensive, but necessary because of CPU fit)
Rigs:
3x CDF Purger I (far more tank than Extender)
With good PG skills (Engineering V, AWU IV, SU IV) and a PG implant (PG4) you can fit 7x HML II and 3x LSE II, which will give you okay DPS and a spectacular tank. If you are going to continue the Caldari missile boat line (either to Raven or Nighthawk) you will also want Shield Management V and Shield Operation V. If you are going to Nighthawk, then you want Battlecruiser V as well, although you might want to stop at III or IV if you want to use a Raven.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.03.13 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Haradgrim
7 x HML II w/ Scourge (Kinetic bonus is worth not using the best dmg type)
Wrong. Even with BC5 EM still does 25-30% more damage to Sansha's, Bloods and Rogue Drones.
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Haradgrim
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Posted - 2008.03.13 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: Haradgrim on 13/03/2008 18:08:19
Edited by: Haradgrim on 13/03/2008 18:07:57
Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: Haradgrim
7 x HML II w/ Scourge (Kinetic bonus is worth not using the best dmg type)
Wrong. Even with BC5 EM still does 25-30% more damage to Sansha's, Bloods and Rogue Drones.
Ok, I admit it, I'm lazy 
That said, I've never had trouble blasting through any lvl 3 with scourges. And its easier to roam around with 1 type of ammo (plus I generally use cladari navy scourge).
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Shaitis
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Posted - 2008.03.13 18:17:00 -
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This ship is for afk missioning in lev 3 even with pathetic skills
High: heavy launchers + tractor beam
Med: 2 hardeners, 2 LSE 2 shield rechargers
Low: SPR II
Rigs: CF purgers
you just warp in wait untill everything will come close to not fly for a loot and one by one shoot while watching TV.
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d3vo
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Posted - 2008.03.13 18:31:00 -
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stick in another bcs
get rid of the amplifiers and only use active hardners. 1 invul and 2 rat specific. for sansha that would be em and therm.
stick in another shield extender too
and keep training those engineering and missile skills. try not to waste your time on other things
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Sir Ibex
Interstellar Operations Incorporated
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.14 17:41:00 -
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Newb question.... What would be better for mission running in the long run? Nighthawk, Raven or Golem?
In favor of Raven:
1)Relatively short training time as opposed to almost half a year for Nighthawk.
2)Very long range.
In favor of nighthawk:
1)Don't really NEED to have raven till I get to nighthawk since a properly equipped drake can handle level 4's fine.
2)Nighthawk uses heavy missiles so don't need to train cruise as with Raven/Golem.
In favor of Golem:
Better for mission running than either of the above in the long run? (I could be wrong here)
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Grendel Marqun
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.15 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Ibex
Newb question.... What would be better for mission running in the long run? Nighthawk, Raven or Golem?
In favor of Raven:
1)Relatively short training time as opposed to almost half a year for Nighthawk.
2)Very long range.
In favor of nighthawk:
1)Don't really NEED to have raven till I get to nighthawk since a properly equipped drake can handle level 4's fine.
2)Nighthawk uses heavy missiles so don't need to train cruise as with Raven/Golem.
In favor of Golem:
Better for mission running than either of the above in the long run? (I could be wrong here)
In favor of Raven: Cheaper than a Nighthawk, and when you have the money, you're skilled for a CNR.
In favor of Nighthawk: Holy crap tank.
Against Golem: due to the way the missile bonii work, a CNR will outdo a Golem with far less skills, at about equivalent cost.
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d3vo
Airborne Assassins
Order of the Black Cross
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Posted - 2008.03.15 04:32:00 -
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go for the nh
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Rawr Cristina
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.15 04:38:00 -
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Well I've seen worse if that's any consolation
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