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Kyanzes
Amarr
Utopian Research I.E.L.
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Posted - 2008.03.11 22:12:00 -
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Edited by: Kyanzes on 11/03/2008 22:16:00
I wonder if they'll put them on eBay 
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TimGascoigne
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Posted - 2008.03.12 00:23:00 -
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I think you will see multimillionaires buying components from them to break a land speed record.
Now where did I put my credit card and secret stash of aerospace engineers..............
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Cmdr Sy
Appetite 4 Destruction
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.03.12 00:26:00 -
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Maybe they will shred them like the F-14.
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darklegionca
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.12 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: darklegionca on 12/03/2008 00:43:42
im guessing this is to make way for the f22 Raptor?
if not then what are they using to replace the f117
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.03.12 01:57:00 -
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I know they were deployed in 1981 but when did they come to the greater publics knowledge?
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Arkios Odymei
Incarnation of Evil
Nocturnal Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.12 02:04:00 -
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I think it was dessert storm in '91 when they were publicly flaunted?
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Sharupak
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Posted - 2008.03.12 02:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Arkios Odymei
I think it was dessert storm in '91 when they were publicly flaunted?
89ish?
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Incarnation of Evil
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Posted - 2008.03.12 02:12:00 -
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I just looked it up: The F-117A came out of secrecy and was revealed to the world in November 1988. Wikipedia ftw!
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Kyanzes
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Posted - 2008.03.12 02:19:00 -
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Yeah, I remember F-19 and F-117A, both were cool sims. Both were Microprose games.
Yeah, looked them up (looks like you can find nearly everything in Wikipedia):
F-19 came out in '88
And F117A came out in 1991.
Also, what about F29 Retaliator?
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Posted - 2008.03.13 03:59:00 -
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It looks like the F-117's are going to be kept in a secure location for potential usage should the need arise. (Hell of a lot better than scrapping them)
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Shalia Ripper
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:27:00 -
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The F-117 was such a huge failure. Not enough maneuverability to be a real fighter, not enough bomb capacity to be a true bomber.
Of course, by the time the military figured that out, too much was invested to call it a failure.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shalia Ripper
The F-117 was such a huge failure. Not enough maneuverability to be a real fighter, not enough bomb capacity to be a true bomber.
Of course, by the time the military figured that out, too much was invested to call it a failure.
It's a surgical bomber... you don't need massive bombs when you can drop one into a vent shaft
Originally by: Avaricia
look a goon lol
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Shalia Ripper
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Shalia Ripper
The F-117 was such a huge failure. Not enough maneuverability to be a real fighter, not enough bomb capacity to be a true bomber.
Of course, by the time the military figured that out, too much was invested to call it a failure.
It's a surgical bomber... you don't need massive bombs when you can drop one into a vent shaft
It was supposed to be a stealthy fighter, but failed fighters can have other uses until something better comes along.
Oh yeah, they should have changed it's designation to B-117. But they probably had all of the shirts printed up...
I saw one at an air show a few years ago in a static display. It was smaller than I expected.
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Keorythe
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:26:00 -
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The "fighter" designation was given to it as an counter-intelligence ploy. Originally it was going to be designated as a "tactical" bomber (tactical and strategic means things in the military unlike to civilians). However, because of its size they opted to change it to fool the russians during its development. Amazingly it worked and russian intel was confused about the matter for years. Everyone got a good laugh later on when more details were released. There was a decent book that went over all of this for a few pages. It was one of those ex-general's memoires kind of book. I'll have to start digging.
As a surgical strike bomber the plane was a success. Both its radar and heat signature is miniscule. Until it opens its bomb bay doors its very difficult to find unless unless you dial down your Aegis radar filters to track small birds that are going very very fast. It uses lasers to read the earth instead of radar making invisible to radiation scanners. TV and laser guidance means that the bomb bay doors are open for less than a minute to deploy a weapon before being secured again.
Trade offs were that it couldn't go very fast or risk increasing its heat signature and comprimising its limited fuel. It didn't have a large payload capacity. It couldn't sustain battle damage since the materials used to make it are flimsy so lucky shots from flak could be devestating. It is only useful against countries that have radar guided weapon technology. 30yr old F-16's are more effective and cheaper in places like Afganistan now. And of course it was expensive to make. We're talking about a plane with gold dust particles embedded in its*****pit glass (cockpit interior and pilot head will actually bloom on radar but dust prevents that).
Seems that they are putting alot of eggs in the F-22 basket. I'm wondering exactly how its going to work out for them. Sounds great on paper but we have yet to see them in the field.
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Arcticblue2
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Posted - 2008.03.13 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Keorythe
Seems that they are putting alot of eggs in the F-22 basket. I'm wondering exactly how its going to work out for them. Sounds great on paper but we have yet to see them in the field.
Well as far as I know they are not going to build more F-22 as those are a Air-Superiority plane, that they will do is to build these F-35 JSF, I know Norway is planning on buying these planes as Eurofighter withdrawed from the competition it is only now left JSF and the swedish JAS and honestly JAS won't stand the chance against JSF.
Probably on price but in performance I doubt it.
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das licht
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Posted - 2008.03.13 10:46:00 -
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Eurofighter will be the new plane for the US Airforce soon.
Made in America.
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Bosie
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Posted - 2008.03.13 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: TimGascoigne
I think you will see multimillionaires buying components from them to break a land speed record.
Why?
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Posted - 2008.03.13 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: das licht
Eurofighter will be the new plane for the US Airforce soon.
Made in America.
He he .. well I sort of hoped that Norway would buy it but it all looks like we are buying JSF instead.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2008.03.13 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: das licht
Eurofighter will be the new plane for the US Airforce soon.
Made in America.
Pride of the American Airforce - the British built Harrier Jump Jet!
Simpsons 4tw.
Though tbh I like the Eurofighter alot.
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Victor Valka
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Posted - 2008.03.13 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava
Though tbh I like the Eurofighter alot.
The name is pants, tho. 
Total lack of creativity.
Originally by: Roxanna Kell
You are insane.
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Leylla Gainsborought
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Posted - 2008.03.13 11:31:00 -
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They're retiring it cause of their defective back wing ? I heard some of these are crashing due to this. May be wrong thought.
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Kirjava
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Posted - 2008.03.13 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: Kirjava
Though tbh I like the Eurofighter alot.
The name is pants, tho.
Total lack of creativity.
Oh yes, but we are calling everything "Euro____" nowadays as if it's the fotm.....
Getting as bad as the Americans in some respects.....
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Magnus Nordir
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Posted - 2008.03.13 14:17:00 -
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F-117 on a friendly visit to Serbia
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Posted - 2008.03.13 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Toasted Trucker on 13/03/2008 14:24:13
Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: Kirjava
Though tbh I like the Eurofighter alot.
The name is pants, tho.
Total lack of creativity.
Eh here in the US air force we are not doing any better for names. we ran out of bird names so now we are going to dinosaur names.
example: F-16 falcon, F-15 eagle, f-22 raptor, f-32 1/2 brontosaurs?
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Logi3
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Posted - 2008.03.13 14:27:00 -
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I loved this plane, still got a 18 year old model of it in the house!
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Posted - 2008.03.13 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: vanBuskirk on 13/03/2008 14:54:56
Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: Kirjava
Though tbh I like the Eurofighter alot.
The name is pants, tho.
Total lack of creativity.
I thought it was called the Typhoon? Over the protests of Germany, I understand. Although it's a completely different type of aircraft in a different role to the first Typhoon - giving that name to a ground-attack plane would really have made them scream. 
Oh, and "Raptor" keeps up with the bird of prey theme, as "raptor" means "bird of prey" if you are a zoologist.
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Posted - 2008.03.13 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Keorythe
Seems that they are putting alot of eggs in the F-22 basket. I'm wondering exactly how its going to work out for them. Sounds great on paper but we have yet to see them in the field.
While not having been in actual combat the F-22 has most certainly seen time in war games where it has thoroughly ruined the OpFor. There were reports from F-16 pilots who were fighting one F-22 with (I think) 8 F-16s and they couldn't touch it. In one case a pilot said he could actually see the F-22 but still could not get a shot off. The F-22s cleared the skies. To date it has a staggering kill ratio in war games despite pitting them against the world's best pilots in the best planes we have and stacking the numbers against them. In short the F-22 looks to be the premiere air superiority fighter in the world hands down (even beating out the Eurofighter).
A funny story I read of the F-117 development had them placing the F-117 downrange (on the ground) and pointed a radar at it. The engineers were very disappointed to see a radar return coming from it as they were pretty sure it should not have appeared so well on the radar. Apparently someone finally picked up a pair of binoculars and looked at the plane and a bird had landed on it. Once the bird finally flew off the plane disappeared off the radar.
Also of note is the plane was originally painted a powder puff blue color. Apparently that color was better than black even at night at making it visually harder to spot. But the air force couldn't abide such a wimp color for the plane and ordered it painted black.
I'll miss the Wobbly Goblin (pilot's nickname for it as in development it was notoriously wobbly in flight from is funky shape).
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Posted - 2008.03.13 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: Kirjava
Though tbh I like the Eurofighter alot.
The name is pants, tho.
Total lack of creativity.
The "Eurofighter" was the name of the project, and only by extension the plane itself. Its more personal name is the "Typhoon", which is still pretty unimaginative, but is a step in the right direction.
The Typhoon is a completely different aircraft to the F-117, though. The Typhoon was always intended to be a robust air-to-air aircraft, with added air-to-ground capabilities. The F-117 was the reverse- an air-to-ground craft with added air-to-air abilities. And thats without even mentioning stealth capabilities- the F-117 was first and foremost designed around stealth capabilities, while any stealth the Eurofighter has is just whatever they could squeeze in around the main design principles. A better comparison is surely with the F-35, which is due to replace it in the US and be sold to the UK and all manner of other countries.
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Shalia Ripper
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Posted - 2008.03.13 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Keorythe
The "fighter" designation was given to it as an counter-intelligence ploy. Originally it was going to be designated as a "tactical" bomber (tactical and strategic means things in the military unlike to civilians). However, because of its size they opted to change it to fool the russians during its development. Amazingly it worked and russian intel was confused about the matter for years. Everyone got a good laugh later on when more details were released. There was a decent book that went over all of this for a few pages. It was one of those ex-general's memoires kind of book. I'll have to start digging.
As a surgical strike bomber the plane was a success. Both its radar and heat signature is miniscule. Until it opens its bomb bay doors its very difficult to find unless unless you dial down your Aegis radar filters to track small birds that are going very very fast. It uses lasers to read the earth instead of radar making invisible to radiation scanners. TV and laser guidance means that the bomb bay doors are open for less than a minute to deploy a weapon before being secured again.
Trade offs were that it couldn't go very fast or risk increasing its heat signature and comprimising its limited fuel. It didn't have a large payload capacity. It couldn't sustain battle damage since the materials used to make it are flimsy so lucky shots from flak could be devestating. It is only useful against countries that have radar guided weapon technology. 30yr old F-16's are more effective and cheaper in places like Afganistan now. And of course it was expensive to make. We're talking about a plane with gold dust particles embedded in its*****pit glass (cockpit interior and pilot head will actually bloom on radar but dust prevents that).
Seems that they are putting alot of eggs in the F-22 basket. I'm wondering exactly how its going to work out for them. Sounds great on paper but we have yet to see them in the field.
I had a sudden vision of Steve Urkel saying "I meant to do that"
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