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thumper380
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:04:00 -
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So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:11:00 -
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thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters.
Did this particular Scam break the EULA?
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Valentyn3
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:12:00 -
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thumper380 wrote: Lets blow up this thread
Yes, let's..... I used to be a Blade Runner like you, then I took an android to the knee... |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:13:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters. Did this particular Scam break the EULA?
Actually, character selling scams are not allowed.
Not that I would know anything about scamming.
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thumper380
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:14:00 -
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hmm i paid for the character and they didnt transfer it i think that breaks it |
thumper380
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:16:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters. Did this particular Scam break the EULA? Actually, character selling scams are not allowed. Not that I would know anything about scamming.
This is very true scams in game are ok ( by EULA )
but not character trading scams |
Johnathan Carter
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:23:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters. Did this particular Scam break the EULA?
Look an idiot. |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:32:00 -
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Johnathan Carter wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters. Did this particular Scam break the EULA? Look an idiot. Says the moron, try to read before opening the stupid hole their Champ.
OP said he and 2 other people were scammed and the perpetrator was selling his Character on the Character Bazaar. Precisely why I asked if this Scam broke the EULA. The OP never made mention to the fact that the scam was in fact related to Character Sales until after I asked.
L2Read before you spill stupid all over my nice NeX Store Boots. |
thumper380
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:36:00 -
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well im not going to post about a crappy jita scam am i ? |
Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:42:00 -
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thumper380 wrote:well im not going to post about a crappy jita scam am i ? That would make you 1 in 100k...
You would be surprised how many people yell about such things or don't realize Scaming and Character Cycling through the Bazaar is legit.
But yeah Character Selling Scams through the Bazaar are rule breakers.
I hope you get your ISK back. |
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thumper380
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:45:00 -
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thanks :D i hope i do too cos i cant do anything till i get it back
thumper is actually a sold character and i need to now wait for this isk so i can transfer char |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:48:00 -
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Johnathan Carter wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters. Did this particular Scam break the EULA? Look an idiot.
That is the problem with forums. So many soundbites and lack of care about their writing (Or is that there writing) that a number of people cannot communicate properly.
I read the original post. It seemed like a reasonable question because when I read it, I saw:
"3 of us has been scammed by a player who currently has a character on the character bazaar"
Was this a scam involving the sale of a character? Is the fact that the player is on the character bazaar of interest? I don't know. The OP did not say enough or explain enough to be clear.
In situations where things are not clear; people ask questions.
I personally think you look like more of an idiot for your flippant one-liner than Alara does. |
thumper380
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.02.21 04:52:00 -
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well i have edited the post now it should explain a little more clearer |
Inkdew
Space Jumpers Bringers of Death.
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Posted - 2012.02.21 05:01:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters. Did this particular Scam break the EULA?
Not true, this is the ONE thing you cannot scam. |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.21 05:06:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters. Did this particular Scam break the EULA?
Character scams are NOT allowed and we come down very hard on those who try it. The best way to deal with this is to simply report it to us and we will investigate the matter. However, these investigations may take a long time as often the people who scam with character sales are involved in a lot more EULA breaches and they can be RMT or hackers on top of it. When that is te case we must tread very carefully to make sure we get all the loose and that simply takes time. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.02.21 05:07:00 -
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Inkdew wrote: Not true, this is the ONE thing you cannot scam.
As I very well mentioned later in the thread when the OP confirmed that the issue was in fact related directly to the Bazaar and not just a Scammer selling selling a character.
Alara IonStorm wrote: But yeah Character Selling Scams through the Bazaar are rule breakers.
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thumper380
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Posted - 2012.02.21 05:10:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters. Did this particular Scam break the EULA? Character scams are NOT allowed and we come down very hard on those who try it. The best way to deal with this is to simply report it to us and we will investigate the matter. However, these investigations may take a long time as often the people who scam with character sales are involved in a lot more EULA breaches and they can be RMT or hackers on top of it. When that is te case we must tread very carefully to make sure we get all the loose and that simply takes time.
And what about my isk in the meantime as like i have said above thumper is a sold character and obviously i now cant transfer till i get my isk back |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.21 05:13:00 -
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thumper380 wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters. Did this particular Scam break the EULA? Character scams are NOT allowed and we come down very hard on those who try it. The best way to deal with this is to simply report it to us and we will investigate the matter. However, these investigations may take a long time as often the people who scam with character sales are involved in a lot more EULA breaches and they can be RMT or hackers on top of it. When that is te case we must tread very carefully to make sure we get all the loose and that simply takes time. And what about my isk in the meantime as like i have said above thumper is a sold character and obviously i now cant transfer till i get my isk back. I now feel sorry for the person that has purchased thumper as they have paid and not got the char as of yet.
We do not take any definitive action before an investigation is completed. Until that time all parties will simply have to wait. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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thumper380
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Posted - 2012.02.21 05:15:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:thumper380 wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters. Did this particular Scam break the EULA? Character scams are NOT allowed and we come down very hard on those who try it. The best way to deal with this is to simply report it to us and we will investigate the matter. However, these investigations may take a long time as often the people who scam with character sales are involved in a lot more EULA breaches and they can be RMT or hackers on top of it. When that is te case we must tread very carefully to make sure we get all the loose and that simply takes time. And what about my isk in the meantime as like i have said above thumper is a sold character and obviously i now cant transfer till i get my isk back. I now feel sorry for the person that has purchased thumper as they have paid and not got the char as of yet. We do not take any definitive action before an investigation is completed. Until that time all parties will simply have to wait.
so basically what your saying is i now have to wait untill this guy basically says his account has been hacked like all rest of them and he gets away scott free and i have lost out on however many days of play time cos i have no isk ?
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Jack Teller
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.21 05:37:00 -
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Investigate and that can take a long time ?
I understand that he might be a hacker but that does not mean you have to start the investigation there. You see the transactions to buy the characters and the posts, see that the character has been sold multiple times and you resend the isk to the buyers.. Then you start investigating the scammer, because it is quite clear that he is long gone with the isk and sold or what ever he does with it.
Will see how long this takes, can't wait until fanfest for the round table discussion to address this and get some order in this... Not like there aren't any ways that could prevent scamming in character transactions like a npc recieving ISK and notifying the seller that he can start transfer and then mail a code or something to the NPC and recieve the isk instead.
But good that CCP intends to improve the big things like warp graphics and stuff like that which does not nearly affect players as much as this..
This scamming business seems like a good way to get a quick buck with little as no response until 3 days later when 2 more have been scammed.
I do fully realise that I am mostly to blame for attempting a deal to good to be true but that would not happen without scammers which obviously are getting a profit from this otherwise they would not be doing it.
Sorry had to vent a little steam. |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.21 05:55:00 -
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thumper380 wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:thumper380 wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:[quote=Alara IonStormI am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters.
Did this particular Scam break the EULA?
Character scams are NOT allowed and we come down very hard on those who try it. The best way to deal with this is to simply report it to us and we will investigate the matter. However, these investigations may take a long time as often the people who scam with character sales are involved in a lot more EULA breaches and they can be RMT or hackers on top of it. When that is te case we must tread very carefully to make sure we get all the loose and that simply takes time. And what about my isk in the meantime as like i have said above thumper is a sold character and obviously i now cant transfer till i get my isk back. I now feel sorry for the person that has purchased thumper as they have paid and not got the char as of yet. We do not take any definitive action before an investigation is completed. Until that time all parties will simply have to wait. so basically what your saying is i now have to wait untill this guy basically says his account has been hacked like all rest of them and he gets away scott free and i have lost out on however many days of play time cos i have no isk ?
There MUST BE A DEFINITIVE log of the ISK changing hands, correct? With isk changing hands for nothing these accounts are left high and dry if they overextended themselves. While the axiom don't fly what you can't afford to lose holds true should the transitive property take effect in the character bazzar or the recruiting channel: don't spend ISK you can't afford not to have for x amount of days while CCP investigates in totality? I'm guessing the persons thought they could play immediately off the back to earn back some chunk of what they just spent... lesson learned the hard way.
I was considering purchasing a character myself glad I've been forewarned in the forums and feel sorry for those that don't read these stories here... |
thumper380
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Posted - 2012.02.21 05:59:00 -
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well i was expecting a character so i could make some isk so ... |
Cyzlaki
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.02.21 06:14:00 -
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Wait so someone gets scammed on the char bazaar and they have to wait while GM's f*ck around seeing if they are not just a scammer but a hacker and a RMTer? Sorry but that makes no ******* sense, it matters not to the guy who got scammed whether hes a hacker as well or not. |
thumper380
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Posted - 2012.02.21 06:46:00 -
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Cyzlaki wrote:Wait so someone gets scammed on the char bazaar and they have to wait while GM's f*ck around seeing if they are not just a scammer but a hacker and a RMTer? Sorry but that makes no ******* sense, it matters not to the guy who got scammed whether hes a hacker as well or not.
Well Put |
lilol' me
Comply Or Die Shit.Happens
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Posted - 2012.02.21 08:10:00 -
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I do have to say i do think the GMs have no clue how this effects the player. Its a massive massive issue and inconvienience for the person being scammed. One has no character one has no isk, both pretty f*cked. Meanwhile its just sit and wait and wait and wait. CCP seriously need to step up their customer service, its pretty damn poor. But we say this for years and nothing changes, so you shouldnt expect it now. I really dont understand why CCP just have a handful of people doing this stuff, its basically that customer support is not a priority. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.21 08:35:00 -
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This could be avoided if I was allowed to secure character transfers
But really, the best way imo would be CCP impementing a feature (in account management perhaps?) where;
Seller specify price and who the ISK should be released to (on same account) - press Confirm Buyer has amount of ISK in the wallet of the character he logs on account management with, review the price and character being sold - press Confirm
ISK is withdrawn and sent to seller's character. character is placed in the transfer state to buyers account.
No way of either party to scam the other that way since nothing will happen until buyer confirm and gets his isk withdrawn.
/c
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thumper380
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Posted - 2012.02.21 08:42:00 -
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or maybe do it like you buy timecodes ? maybe like have an ingame wallet function where you can send isk to an account wallet from which you can buy a character or a timecode ?????
im just saying that wouldnt be too hard to do right ? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.02.21 08:59:00 -
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Cyzlaki wrote:Wait so someone gets scammed on the char bazaar and they have to wait while GM's f*ck around seeing if they are not just a scammer but a hacker and a RMTer? Sorry but that makes no ******* sense, it matters not to the guy who got scammed whether hes a hacker as well or not.
Yeah the smart thing to do would be for the GMs to immediately give characters and massive amounts of ISK to anyone who makes a noise on the forum without investigating until they know the whole story, and worry about consequences later. Yep, that's definitely the optimum course of action here. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Wacktopia
Noir.
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Posted - 2012.02.21 09:02:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters. Did this particular Scam break the EULA?
Nope. Character sale scam = ban. I'm pretty sure. Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67574 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |
Ifly Uwalk
Concentrated Evil Mining For Profit Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.21 09:14:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters. Did this particular Scam break the EULA? Nope. Character sale scam = ban. I'm pretty sure. How would you like to read the rest of the thread before clicking Eny Yello Buttan? |
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2012.02.21 09:23:00 -
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The ignorance in this thread about why it takes the GM "a while" is enormous.
Nobody knows really what it is, hence everybody knows better what they should do. Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
thumper380
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Posted - 2012.02.21 10:38:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Cyzlaki wrote:Wait so someone gets scammed on the char bazaar and they have to wait while GM's f*ck around seeing if they are not just a scammer but a hacker and a RMTer? Sorry but that makes no ******* sense, it matters not to the guy who got scammed whether hes a hacker as well or not. Yeah the smart thing to do would be for the GMs to immediately give characters and massive amounts of ISK to anyone who makes a noise on the forum without investigating until they know the whole story, and worry about consequences later. Yep, that's definitely the optimum course of action here.
when it is very clear that the person is a hacker why not give the isk straight back ?
its called good customer service
you don't go to your electrical store taking your broken TV back and having to wait ages to get a new TV
or at least I've never had that |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
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Posted - 2012.02.21 10:49:00 -
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The life of the GM department and of a lot of customers could be easier if additional means for account security were put into place. For example a digipass key that would be optional for most players, with the exception of those trading character.
In practice, no additonal account security, no character transfers. |
Brunmunde Hildegaard
The Green Machine
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Posted - 2012.02.21 11:07:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:The ignorance in this thread about why it takes the GM "a while" is enormous.
Nobody knows really what it is, hence everybody knows better what they should do. This. ITT; people who arent GMs whining about what GMs have to do to make sure errbody satisfied "Sings me a dances of wolfs, who smells fear and slays the coward. Sings me a dances of mans, who smells gold and slays his brother." |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
334
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Posted - 2012.02.21 11:07:00 -
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thumper380 wrote: and i have lost out on however many days of play time cos i have no isk ?
Yes, and that is no one's fault but your own for not using a 3rd party to help you complete the transaction. Be happy that you will get your isk back eventually if it does turn out to be a scam. In the meantime you can go back to doing all the stuff that got you the isk in the first place. Oh, wait, you just bought the isk with your credit card, didn't you. Well, then wait. |
thumper380
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.02.21 11:10:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:thumper380 wrote: and i have lost out on however many days of play time cos i have no isk ?
Yes, and that is no one's fault but your own for not using a 3rd party to help you complete the transaction. Be happy that you will get your isk back eventually if it does turn out to be a scam. In the meantime you can go back to doing all the stuff that got you the isk in the first place. Oh, wait, you just bought the isk with your credit card, didn't you. Well, then wait.
i have never bought any isk thank you very much and a 3rd party for buying a character WTF are you on about
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Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
641
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Posted - 2012.02.21 11:14:00 -
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thumper380 wrote:so basically what your saying is i now have to wait untill this guy basically says his account has been hacked like all rest of them and he gets away scott free and i have lost out on however many days of play time cos i have no isk ?
Well if CCP do have IP logging enabled (i assume they do as it is a great security feature), then it would be pretty straight forward to see if the account has been hacked or not.
But yeah, going through all the books and records of stuff may take a lot longer The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
thumper380
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Posted - 2012.02.21 11:26:00 -
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Headerman wrote:thumper380 wrote:so basically what your saying is i now have to wait untill this guy basically says his account has been hacked like all rest of them and he gets away scott free and i have lost out on however many days of play time cos i have no isk ?
Well if CCP do have IP logging enabled (i assume they do as it is a great security feature), then it would be pretty straight forward to see if the account has been hacked or not. But yeah, going through all the books and records of stuff may take a lot longer
but whos to say they just havnt changed there own ip ? |
Brunmunde Hildegaard
The Green Machine
14
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Posted - 2012.02.21 11:37:00 -
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thumper380 wrote:but whos to say they just havnt changed there own ip ? Unlikely (although possible) yet wouldn't make much of a difference. CCP can see that the "hacked" account was logged in by an ip outside the original owner's region unless the "hacker" is a close friend or relative that lives nearby or even used the original owner's machine. It's factors like this that make the investigation take time and GMs/CCP is fully right for not jumping to conclusions or innocents could get burned. "Sings me a dances of wolfs, who smells fear and slays the coward. Sings me a dances of mans, who smells gold and slays his brother." |
thumper380
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Posted - 2012.02.21 11:52:00 -
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honestly ALL I want is just my isk back so i can carry on playing the game that I have subscribed to.
it doesn't take 2 mins to work out if someone has been scammed they could give me my isk back then carry on with the investigation this would keep all the customers alot happier when this goes on |
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2893
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Posted - 2012.02.21 12:15:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote: We do not take any definitive action before an investigation is completed. Until that time all parties will simply have to wait.
I love the fact that you're obviously dealing with a (rightfully) upset customer and you're treating them like a fairly small child
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
542
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Posted - 2012.02.21 12:40:00 -
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Bumblefck wrote:GM Homonoia wrote: We do not take any definitive action before an investigation is completed. Until that time all parties will simply have to wait.
I love the fact that you're obviously dealing with a (rightfully) upset customer and you're treating them like a fairly small child
I love how everyone assumes they know all the facts and the case is clear-cut and able to be adjudicated fairly to all the parties involved.
Do any of you know if the character actually was transferred once or twice and one of the three "scammed" parties isn't the actual scammer? Do you all have the isk trail to follow? Do you have it figured out which of the three should actually have the character? Have you read all the correspondence between all 4 parties?
One buyer and one seller - its easy to work out what's going on. With 3 buyers and an original seller, there's a lot of potential for a middle-man to be pulling a fast one here and it would way too easy to just pin the blame on the first seller.
Presumably all the isk went to Rolandary - but after that, which owners shuffled off to which alt characters? There could be dozens or even hundreds of small transactions used to mask the effort.
So yeah, instead of acting like a fairly small child, it's probably best to simply wait. This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
412
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Posted - 2012.02.21 12:53:00 -
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I love how every time it works out to their own detriment people are entirely willing to throw the whole "sandbox" concept out of the window...
CCP tries reverse transactions, they generally don't reimburse scam victims by spawning isk or assets from thin air.
To reverse a transaction they have to follow the way the isk took first and that needs an investigation and can take some time.
The alternative would be to just spawn more isk, give it to the scammed party and hope that they can recoup it from the scammer later on - which would not always be the case.
If somebody hacks your account and decides to sell your entire assets for 1m ISK (which he then transfers to another of his characters), you will get back that 1m ISK after CCP has tracked down where it went to. You won't get back the assets the hacker sold - even if these assets were in your opinion worth much, much more than 1m ISK. Why? because the assets are now scattered between random people and might have been changed/reprocessed/destroyed/... the only feasible way to restore them to the scam victim would be to spawn duplicates for him. Which would be bad and exploitable for obvious reasons.
This general approach of reverting isk transactions rather than spawning isk or assets to provide compensation is necessary to preserve the integrity of the sandbox and the in-game market. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3017
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Posted - 2012.02.21 13:20:00 -
[44] - Quote
thumper380 wrote:Malcanis wrote:Cyzlaki wrote:Wait so someone gets scammed on the char bazaar and they have to wait while GM's f*ck around seeing if they are not just a scammer but a hacker and a RMTer? Sorry but that makes no ******* sense, it matters not to the guy who got scammed whether hes a hacker as well or not. Yeah the smart thing to do would be for the GMs to immediately give characters and massive amounts of ISK to anyone who makes a noise on the forum without investigating until they know the whole story, and worry about consequences later. Yep, that's definitely the optimum course of action here. when it is very clear that the person is a hacker why not give the isk straight back ? its called good customer service you don't go to your electrical store taking your broken TV back and having to wait ages to get a new TV or at least I've never had that
I realise that it kind of sucks for you, but you must see that the GMs can't go around making major changes on one person's unsupported word without checking the facts.
We have no particular reason to disbelieve you, but we have no particular reason to believe you either. There has been a long and storied history of people trying to do an end-run around the petition system and drum up some kind of forum campaign in their favour, and then it turns out that they're RMTers or whatever.
If your biggest problem is that it's going to take a day or two to sort out a complex and important issue like this, then maybe these guys can help you: First World Problems Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Im Super Gay
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.02.21 14:39:00 -
[45] - Quote
Innocent until proven guilty, even if you're screaming scam. For all CCP know you could have recieved the char and are now trying to get your isk back.
Also your broken TV analogy is fail because this is more like you calling the store and saying your TV is broken and demanding for a full refund without bringing the TV to the store to prove that its actually broken. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2893
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Posted - 2012.02.21 15:21:00 -
[46] - Quote
I, too, am super gay.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.02.21 16:28:00 -
[47] - Quote
Just wait and let them do their jobs.
If you take a broken TV back, we at least test them first on the spot. Amazing how many fake people we catch out that way.
Just sayin' |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
1
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Posted - 2012.02.21 17:34:00 -
[48] - Quote
EDIT: Whoops, wrong thread... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1021
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Posted - 2012.02.21 18:13:00 -
[49] - Quote
Drew Solaert wrote:Just wait and let them do their jobs.
If you take a broken TV back, we at least test them first on the spot. Amazing how many fake people we catch out that way.
Just sayin'
... or how many times the TV they bring in (usually in the correct box), ends up not to be the one on their receipt (or that originally came in that box). Instead it's a 6 year old model with peanut butter smudges all over it.
Those people are usually the ones most put out by the refund process taking a bit longer because you want to check the TV they returned first.
Just sayin'. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Abyss Azizora
Yuengling Technologies
4
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Posted - 2012.02.21 18:17:00 -
[50] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Johnathan Carter wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters. Did this particular Scam break the EULA? Look an idiot. Says the moron, try to read before opening the stupid hole their Champ. OP said he and 2 other people were scammed and the perpetrator was selling his Character on the Character Bazaar. Precisely why I asked if this Scam broke the EULA. The OP never made mention to the fact that the scam was in fact related to Character Sales until after I asked. L2Read before you spill stupid all over my nice NeX Store Boots.
You really ARE an idiot aren't you? How did you manage to even turn on your computer without falling out a window? |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1021
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Posted - 2012.02.21 18:25:00 -
[51] - Quote
Abyss Azizora wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:Johnathan Carter wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters. Did this particular Scam break the EULA? Look an idiot. Says the moron, try to read before opening the stupid hole their Champ. OP said he and 2 other people were scammed and the perpetrator was selling his Character on the Character Bazaar. Precisely why I asked if this Scam broke the EULA. The OP never made mention to the fact that the scam was in fact related to Character Sales until after I asked. L2Read before you spill stupid all over my nice NeX Store Boots. You really ARE an idiot aren't you? How did you manage to even turn on your computer without falling out a window?
I read it as the OP intended as well, however this is likely because the OP edited his post to make it more clear after the miscommunication became apparent.
Read first, insult later. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
thumper380
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
5
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:29:00 -
[52] - Quote
Hello,
Unfortunately the character was auctioned from an hacked account and therefore it can not be transferred to you. However, we have returned the ISK you for the character to your wallet. We are sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your patience.
Best Regards, Senior GM Thunder EVE Online Customer Support
Figures bet nothing happens to the account even tho it probs is the original owner but who am i to judge right |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:04:00 -
[53] - Quote
Guy gets his money back and roots out a hack and still ends up being a whiny little ***** about the whole thing. Should have petitioned for a hug. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
thumper380
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:07:00 -
[54] - Quote
THE L0CK wrote:Guy gets his money back and roots out a hack and still ends up being a whiny little ***** about the whole thing. Should have petitioned for a hug.
whos whining lol im just saying and even if i was whining this shouldnt have been able to happen in the first place |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
582
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:09:00 -
[55] - Quote
thumper380 wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Guy gets his money back and roots out a hack and still ends up being a whiny little ***** about the whole thing. Should have petitioned for a hug. whos whining lol im just saying and even if i was whining this shouldnt have been able to happen in the first place Yes, a person should be forced to change their password every 2.5 seconds to prevent hacking. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
551
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Posted - 2012.02.22 01:18:00 -
[56] - Quote
thumper380 wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Guy gets his money back and roots out a hack and still ends up being a whiny little ***** about the whole thing. Should have petitioned for a hug. whos whining lol im just saying and even if i was whining this shouldnt have been able to happen in the first place
"I'm just saying"... the douche backpedal when one gets called on what he was "just saying".
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
thumper380
Aliastra Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.02.22 03:03:00 -
[57] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:thumper380 wrote:THE L0CK wrote:Guy gets his money back and roots out a hack and still ends up being a whiny little ***** about the whole thing. Should have petitioned for a hug. whos whining lol im just saying and even if i was whining this shouldnt have been able to happen in the first place "I'm just saying"... the douche backpedal when one gets called on what he was "just saying".
well this is going way off topic now the original post was aimed at
1. Pointing out the scammer 2.Hopefully getting my isk back asap 3. getting ideas for safe transactions on the character bazaar |
Robert Saint
Luminaire Trading Company
30
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Posted - 2012.02.25 02:14:00 -
[58] - Quote
Read all the posts in this thread... and I have traded many many toons so far.
EVERYTIME without fail CCP has been fantastic about getting my ISK back to me in a reasonable time if I didn't get the toon. If this EVER changes, then the Bazaar is over... No Transfer fee, No use of Plex. Many persons use Real Money to get ISK and Real Money to pay for transfers. I truly think it's in CCP's best interest to take care of the buyers of toons as they have me. It's a bummer you have to wait it out sometimes, but that's the gamble, but you will not lose you ISK IMO in the end.
The BEST Idea I read in this thread is the use of a NPC Escrow of sorts. You put your toon in an NPC Corp designed for character transfer, the ISK goes in Escrow and everything stays in Escrow until the 24 hour waiting period. No Transfer, no ISK,. Perhaps it's cheaper for CCP to be the middle man at this point, but I will keep trading toons as long as they keep making things even if their system allows a hacker to sell toons wrongly.
Fun game otherwise...
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1051
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Posted - 2012.02.25 02:20:00 -
[59] - Quote
thumper380 wrote:Hello,
Unfortunately the character was auctioned from an hacked account and therefore it can not be transferred to you. However, we have returned the ISK you for the character to your wallet. We are sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your patience.
Best Regards, Senior GM Thunder EVE Online Customer Support
Figures bet nothing happens to the account even tho it probs is the original owner but who am i to judge right
The phrase you are struggling to find is "Thank you". When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Taedrin
Kushan Industrial
349
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Posted - 2012.02.25 03:33:00 -
[60] - Quote
thumper380 wrote:Gm correspondence...
Might want to edit your post. You aren't allowed to post private conversations with GMs on the forums. |
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Zleon Leigh
89
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Posted - 2012.02.25 04:26:00 -
[61] - Quote
Taedrin wrote:thumper380 wrote:Gm correspondence... Might want to edit your post. You aren't allowed to post private conversations with GMs on the forums.
Yes, even though posting the convo is the only thing that shows that CCP finally did something and exactly what it was. Love it that CCP gets to hide all the dirty laundry and conversely can't get any credit either. Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1054
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Posted - 2012.02.25 16:20:00 -
[62] - Quote
Zleon Leigh wrote:Taedrin wrote:thumper380 wrote:Gm correspondence... Might want to edit your post. You aren't allowed to post private conversations with GMs on the forums. Yes, even though posting the convo is the only thing that shows that CCP finally did something and exactly what it was. Love it that CCP gets to hide all the dirty laundry and conversely can't get any credit either.
Confidentiality is a double edged sword. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
60
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:04:00 -
[63] - Quote
Don't be a tard and buy a char. Prob solved lolz. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1126
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:15:00 -
[64] - Quote
thumper380 wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:thumper380 wrote:So 3 of us has been scammed by the same guy now on the character bazaar and ccp has yet to reply or do anything about it ~
WTH is going on CCP
Lets blow up this thread
I am sorry but what are they supposed to do about it. You are allowed to Scam and Sell Characters. Did this particular Scam break the EULA? Character scams are NOT allowed and we come down very hard on those who try it. The best way to deal with this is to simply report it to us and we will investigate the matter. However, these investigations may take a long time as often the people who scam with character sales are involved in a lot more EULA breaches and they can be RMT or hackers on top of it. When that is te case we must tread very carefully to make sure we get all the loose and that simply takes time. And what about my isk in the meantime as like i have said above thumper is a sold character and obviously i now cant transfer till i get my isk back. I now feel sorry for the person that has purchased thumper as they have paid and not got the char as of yet.
So are you still scamming your OWN buyer? Or have you transferred now? |
Ai Shun
319
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Posted - 2012.02.25 21:33:00 -
[65] - Quote
thumper380 wrote:bet nothing happens to the account even tho it probs is the original owner but who am i to judge right
The GMs investigated; you do not have the same ability. So how can you say it is the original owner when you have none of the information? You got your ISK back; there is no need to punish a hacked account owner for that.
As Ranger1 said; you're looking for "Thank you".
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Mors Prima
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.02.25 21:55:00 -
[66] - Quote
Solstice Project wrote:The ignorance in this thread about why it takes the GM "a while" is enormous.
Nobody knows really what it is, hence everybody knows better what they should do.
What does that matter? You clearly don't get the point. The BUYER is out his ISK and has no recourse. CCP can see through their logs if ISK traded hands and can tie that to a sale on the bazaar. If they see that and the character wasn't moved from one account to the other, then that is all they need to see in order to assist the BUYER. The BUYER should get his ISK back immediately and CCP can take all the time they wish to look into the SELLER.
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Mors Prima
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.02.25 21:58:00 -
[67] - Quote
Im Super Gay wrote:Innocent until proven guilty, even if you're screaming scam. For all CCP know you could have recieved the char and are now trying to get your isk back.
Also your broken TV analogy is fail because this is more like you calling the store and saying your TV is broken and demanding for a full refund without bringing the TV to the store to prove that its actually broken.
Except that takes approximately 5 seconds to check............... |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
293
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Posted - 2012.02.25 21:58:00 -
[68] - Quote
Chribba wrote:This could be avoided if I was allowed to secure character transfers But really, the best way imo would be CCP impementing a feature (in account management perhaps?) where; Seller specify price and who the ISK should be released to (on same account) - press Confirm Buyer has amount of ISK in the wallet of the character he logs on account management with, review the price and character being sold - press Confirm ISK is withdrawn and sent to seller's character. character is placed in the transfer state to buyers account. No way of either party to scam the other that way since nothing will happen until buyer confirm and gets his isk withdrawn. /c As soon as the toon is put up for sale it should be transferred to an escrow status and held by a third party...CCP. The seller should no longer have access to it unless the transaction fails to be finalized by the buyer. A time limit would work nicely here. CCP handles the final transfer. Some nit-noy webpage mechanism can be easily devised to get confirmation from both parties. Both parties could also pay a small fee to CCP for their "troubles" (in case CCP thinks being more active in this isn't "worth their while"...which is highly likely.) If CCP can take a percentage from NPC Corp activity, I'm sure they have room for more imaginary money.
Then....I can volunteer to be the third party and all the ISK involved along with the toon can be transferred to my duly diligent control where I promise on my honor as a...former inmate at the local women's prison (for fraud...) promise on my honor to ensure the satisfaction of both parties involved.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
adopt
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
269
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Posted - 2012.02.25 22:01:00 -
[69] - Quote
Mors Prima wrote:Solstice Project wrote:The ignorance in this thread about why it takes the GM "a while" is enormous.
Nobody knows really what it is, hence everybody knows better what they should do. What does that matter? You clearly don't get the point. The BUYER is out his ISK and has no recourse. CCP can see through their logs if ISK traded hands and can tie that to a sale on the bazaar. If they see that and the character wasn't moved from one account to the other, then that is all they need to see in order to assist the BUYER. The BUYER should get his ISK back immediately and CCP can take all the time they wish to look into the SELLER.
This thread is glorious because none of the above, specifically the person I quoted read through the entire thread, more than one person, in fact to my count 6 people, have said that CCP don't "just check the logs" scammers are not mentally impotent, if they sell all of the accounts stuff for 1 million isk, and then the stuff is recycled, and sold on the market, CCP CAN DO NOTHING; as it affects far too many people and would be virtually impossible to track. Spawning isk would just destabilize the economy. How about you read before you **** post, you window licking sperg. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled. |
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