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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1022
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Posted - 2012.02.21 19:47:00 -
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Quote:Now tell me to take my corp along and I'll reply that we are pretty much all in the same boat, we come from carebear roots and are looking to "HTFU" without being asshat pirates.
The term pirate, and who you apply it to, usually depends on which end of the weapon you are on.
The "neutral" Tengu a group goes after could well be a known pirate, fleet booster, or set of eyes for the enemy militia.
Or he simply could be someone who mouthed off to the local "powers that be" one too many times.
Then again, he could simply be an innocent but wealthy victim targeted by an unethical FW Fleet Commander.
Just because it's FW doesn't mean that pilots striving to attain command position will have to automatically follow some sort of honor code. It's up to the FW organization itself to self police, if it is so inclined. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Hainnz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
95
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Posted - 2012.02.21 19:49:00 -
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You say your corp joined FW right? So I'll assume there is some interest corp-wide. If so, then just do things in-house for a while. Get a stealth bomber and a few T1 frigs together and chain L1-2 FW missions and do minor plexes, keeping an eye out for enemy militia (and any other flashy red types you might want to go after).
You won't be making too much isk, but you'll make some. Main thing is you are out there looking. You'll find some fights you can win if you are patient and practice getting the jump on solo enemy missioners.
Once you get used to things, start asking in militia chat for others to join your frig fleet. You will get some takers. After a while people should get comfortable with you and you guys will get invites to the main fleets, if that's what you want.
You ain't missing much tbh. You'll prob have more fun with your in-corp frig roams. |
Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
76
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Posted - 2012.02.21 20:03:00 -
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Elessa Enaka wrote:You cry and complain about wanting to grow the FW community and then when a corp decides to take the plunge you call them spies and ostracize them.
How in the bloody ******* hell does this make any goddamn sense at all?
Jesus Christ, is it any ******* wonder most of the Minmatar Militia do little more than ***** FW missions? (The other militias probably do the same too, IDK)
TBH, it seems like 50% the militia are little more than pirates, 25% are all cliqued up worse than high school kids, 20% are just in FW for the missions and then the last 5% are probably the only real spies present (with false accusations flying at everyone who isn't in the cliqued up 25%).
If I knew it was this bad, I wouldn't have enlisted my corp, ****, I may still just pull up stakes and move us to 0.0 for ***** and giggles.
Like someone already said, nobody (that counts) is crying about wanting to grow the FW community. Most FW pilots have been there for a long while and they're simply not interested in new people who cant handle themselves.
It's that simple.
Also you're right about the missioners. FW has a metric fuckton of mission whores who have nothing to do with FW itself (which is something that should be fixed, imo).
If you want to get into fleets, getting kills is the right way. Not whining on the forums. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
526
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Posted - 2012.02.21 20:20:00 -
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Lookit me, posting with my FW main, in a corp I started and joined FW with. I'm sure you can do it too, OP. Just try harder.
I don't know what caused this amount of butthurt, OP, but some FW tips:
- Don't depend on the Militia channel. There is no trust to be had there. It's full of spies.
- Until you get a bit of a name for yourself, expect to be treated with skepticism. This is true everywhere in Eve -- trading, alliances, FW, and weird businesses like lotteries and other gambling.
- Those who are clueless are best off not starting corps, but rather joining existing ones and learning how things work. I was part of TRIAD, and before that, plain TLF before starting Rifterlings.
- You have to prove yourself/your corp. A corp with only newbies and no killboard record smells of "spy". Get a few kills to start with, and prove you're actually hurting the enemy militia and more people will want to fly with you.
- Don't look down on piracy too much. Oftentimes neutrals are friends with the enemy, or even alts. This wasn't piracy. There are surprisingly few "innocent" people in lowsec.
tl;dr, starting a FW corp is hard, and nobody owes you anything. You have to give others a reason to want to work with you, other than just being in the same militia.
Some specific tips, as it sounds like your main is in the Minmatar militia:
- Set Adolf Ehrntooth and his corp red for your whole corp. He uses a mega-boosting Loki alt to give his ships uber advantages, and only engages on his own terms -- which means you are likely to lose.
- Flyinghotpocket just happens to be a active pilot in the Amarr militia. Neither he nor his alts are outstandingly good, but he doesn't failfit and knows how to use his friends in ARETR to good effect.
- Fly more cheap frigates.
And lastly, ganking is PvP. Blobs are surprisingly easy to avoid with proper scouting/intel, and a big part of PvP (as big as fitting and the combat itself) is picking your target right, and if things look like they are going to go badly, GTFO. If you see two Dramiels in bound for the minor plex in which you are sitting in two Rifters, don't die then whine about being ganked. Get out and blueball those Dramiels. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
528
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Posted - 2012.02.21 20:37:00 -
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After re-reading the thread, this is my advice: join a newbie-friendly corp with your buddies, be it in FW or not, and learn to PvP that way. PvP is not something you can figure out on the fly by just getting at it; you really need a mentor. When you have no record of past activity, and no experience on top of that, most people you will find PvPing (in FW and elsewhere) won't want to be bothered with babysitting you and teaching you every step. This is especially true as they don't owe you anything as you're not in their corp.
If you were USTZ I would invite you to join Rifterlings, which is a newbie-friendly FW corp (and we also provide free frigates to die in while learning to PvP), but after a ragethread like this I'm not sure I need someone like you.
Or, you know, you could take your newbie corp and go to 0.0 as you wish, but you will only find more death and derision there. Feel free. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
SigmaPi
Valkyr Industries Late Night Alliance
6
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Posted - 2012.02.21 20:46:00 -
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You just need to learn who to talk to, mate. It's all about the who in FW. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
549
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Posted - 2012.02.21 20:52:00 -
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Elessa Enaka wrote:
I D O N O T W A N T T O J O I N A F A C T I O N W A R F A R E C O R P, I W A N T T O G O A L O N G O N R O A M S T O L E A R N T H E R O P E S A S I H A V E H A D V E R Y V E R Y L I T T L E P V P E X P E R I E N C E O U T S I D E O F B E I N G G A N K E D (W H I C H B T W I S N ' T P V P)
Obvious spy is obvious. You clearly copied this directly off the secret decoder ring.
Also the guy who said something about "street cred" is a spy. There are no streets in Eve!
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
284
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Posted - 2012.02.21 20:58:00 -
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You might be better off joining an existing faction war corp that is taking on players new to pvp. Sometimes people are willing to invest time to train people if they think that they can grow a corp. But other than that very few pilots in low sec will want their gang numbers inflated by people who don't have a clue as to what they are doing. Nor are many people interested in taking lots of time to train people who are not even in their corp. I mean you will find that from time to time but most people are online to have fun themselves not babysit strangers.
Or you can just try to figure it out yourself. Its not that hard. Take out some different ships and see what you can kill. If you get killed try to look at the fits those who killed you were flying and try to figure out why they could kill you.
Also if you are interested in pvp but you are new then I would say allot of null sec corps and alliances might be better options. Low sec pvp often involves fights where the skills of the individual pilots can effect the outcome.
On the other hand the warfare in allot of null sec spaces just need another warm body to put in a ship. No skill is required for what they do.
You might want to look at test alliance or spacemonkey alliance. They take allot of new pilots.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
24
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:59:00 -
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The rage in this thread is absolutely epic, though I must admit that I have recently found myself in a somewhat similar situation. My corp and I (a fairly small gathering of friends from varied FPS and IRL) have recently joined Minmatar FW (IIRC, it was within 1-3 days of the "Alliances may now join FW" update). We too, are a small group who've been tested little as far as PVP is concerned and we sought to gain experience through joining the Militia.
I found that the Militia is not as open as I had hoped or had been led by my assumptions to believe. I will be the first to admit that I made a couple of social gaffes (again due to my assumptions of openness). I agree with some of the OPs observations and I too have been offended by actions/words of some of my fellow FW comrades, though as others have said, take initiative. I have participated in a fleet or two (got inon somekills too) and even started one of my own when it seemed that no one else would step up. I have also had the experience of being in a fleet where I was apparently always 3 jumps behind the rest of the fleet.
I realize that my feeble killboard is nothing to brag about (not a final blow to my name and my ships are probably failfit), but the point is that I have been trying to do my part. Granted I am not out there every night hunting WTs, but nevertheless I am participating when not trying to juggle all of the other things that my corp is involved in.
I would be more than happy to fleet up with any fellow Republic Militia members
OP, whoever your main is, you need to do something for yourself if you're not happy with your situation, forum rage never effects any change other than to sour peoples opinion of you. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
529
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:10:00 -
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Alaekessa wrote:~good stuff~
Holy crap, a newbie with the right attitude on the forums? Who'd have thought! Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
413
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:34:00 -
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Kiss me quickly wrote:In the "elite" FW corps there is little to no interest in flying with people from less established corporations. People would rather do 10 jumps to kills some neutral T3 than jump to the next system to fight the enemy militia. It is like the enemy militia does not exist to them, systems just flip and nobody cares.
To be fair... when a group of "hardened FW bittervets" start roaming around the opposing militia just "happens" to become "scarce."
I'd rather go hunting for some poor sap that just stumbled into our corner of space than pointlessly chase around people in nano-frigates who are trying to "circlejerk" us. "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
35
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Posted - 2012.02.22 07:10:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Flyinghotpocket just happens to be a active pilot in the Amarr militia. Neither he nor his alts are outstandingly good, but he doesn't failfit and knows how to use his friends in ARETR to good effect. [
no doubt you will wander the eve universe wondering just how many alts i really do have. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
35
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Posted - 2012.02.22 07:11:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Kiss me quickly wrote:In the "elite" FW corps there is little to no interest in flying with people from less established corporations. People would rather do 10 jumps to kills some neutral T3 than jump to the next system to fight the enemy militia. It is like the enemy militia does not exist to them, systems just flip and nobody cares.
To be fair... when a group of "hardened FW bittervets" start roaming around the opposing militia just "happens" to become "scarce." I'd rather go hunting for some poor sap that just stumbled into our corner of space than pointlessly chase around people in nano-frigates who are trying to "circlejerk" us.
you could always man up and ship down like we tell you to in local everyday of our eve life. we say man up, ship down, not ship up man down. get it straight
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Doomhowler
Incestuous Cult of Paranoid Swamp People
0
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Posted - 2012.02.22 07:20:00 -
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Sounds like FW is the right place for my corp and we'd fit right in, I'm considering signing us up soon! |
Flyingleanpocket
Amarrian Retribution
0
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Posted - 2012.02.22 07:43:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Flyinghotpocket just happens to be a active pilot in the Amarr militia. Neither he nor his alts are outstandingly good, but he doesn't failfit and knows how to use his friends in ARETR to good effect. [ no doubt you will wander the eve universe wondering just how many alts i really do have.
Hint: It's a lot |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
140
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Posted - 2012.02.22 08:08:00 -
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Alaekessa wrote:The rage in this thread is absolutely epic, though I must admit that I have recently found myself in a somewhat similar situation. My corp and I (a fairly small gathering of friends from varied FPS and IRL) have recently joined Minmatar FW (IIRC, it was within 1-3 days of the "Alliances may now join FW" update). We too, are a small group who've been tested little as far as PVP is concerned and we sought to gain experience through joining the Militia. I found that the Militia is not as open as I had hoped or had been led by my assumptions to believe. I will be the first to admit that I made a couple of social gaffes (again due to my assumptions of openness). I agree with some of the OPs observations and I too have been offended by actions/words of some of my fellow FW comrades, though as others have said, take initiative. I have participated in a fleet or two ( got inon somekills too) and even started one of my own when it seemed that no one else would step up. I have also had the experience of being in a fleet where I was apparently always 3 jumps behind the rest of the fleet. I realize that my feeble killboard is nothing to brag about (not a final blow to my name and my ships are probably failfit), but the point is that I have been trying to do my part. Granted I am not out there every night hunting WTs, but nevertheless I am participating when not trying to juggle all of the other things that my corp is involved in. I would be more than happy to fleet up with any fellow Republic Militia members OP, whoever your main is, you need to do something for yourself if you're not happy with your situation, forum rage never effects any change other than to sour peoples opinion of you.
Good attitude. Red head. And fights to free slaves. Will you go out with me? I'm a Gallente lesbian
If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
529
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Posted - 2012.02.22 08:23:00 -
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Flyingleanpocket wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Flyinghotpocket just happens to be a active pilot in the Amarr militia. Neither he nor his alts are outstandingly good, but he doesn't failfit and knows how to use his friends in ARETR to good effect. [ no doubt you will wander the eve universe wondering just how many alts i really do have. Hint: It's a lot That's the conclusion I reached too. I should start a "Flyingaltpocket" campaign for my killboard, and put any kills I get of you and your alts in it.
Flyinghotpocket wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:To be fair... when a group of "hardened FW bittervets" start roaming around the opposing militia just "happens" to become "scarce."
I'd rather go hunting for some poor sap that just stumbled into our corner of space than pointlessly chase around people in nano-frigates who are trying to "circlejerk" us. you could always man up and ship down like we tell you to in local everyday of our eve life. we say man up, ship down, not ship up man down. get it straight
Sometimes shipping up works too, but you are right. If you know exactly what your enemy is flying, why would you ever ship up to something that has no hope of killing them ever?
There are way too many people who put all their faith in their ship's ISK worth, or in an ~awesomefit~ or a ~solopwnmobile~. And yet, I can't decide if Eve would be more or less fun if people started to actually think about what they're flying. Food for thought, I suppose.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
78
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Posted - 2012.02.22 14:42:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Alaekessa wrote:The rage in this thread is absolutely epic, though I must admit that I have recently found myself in a somewhat similar situation. My corp and I (a fairly small gathering of friends from varied FPS and IRL) have recently joined Minmatar FW (IIRC, it was within 1-3 days of the "Alliances may now join FW" update). We too, are a small group who've been tested little as far as PVP is concerned and we sought to gain experience through joining the Militia. I found that the Militia is not as open as I had hoped or had been led by my assumptions to believe. I will be the first to admit that I made a couple of social gaffes (again due to my assumptions of openness). I agree with some of the OPs observations and I too have been offended by actions/words of some of my fellow FW comrades, though as others have said, take initiative. I have participated in a fleet or two ( got inon somekills too) and even started one of my own when it seemed that no one else would step up. I have also had the experience of being in a fleet where I was apparently always 3 jumps behind the rest of the fleet. I realize that my feeble killboard is nothing to brag about (not a final blow to my name and my ships are probably failfit), but the point is that I have been trying to do my part. Granted I am not out there every night hunting WTs, but nevertheless I am participating when not trying to juggle all of the other things that my corp is involved in. I would be more than happy to fleet up with any fellow Republic Militia members OP, whoever your main is, you need to do something for yourself if you're not happy with your situation, forum rage never effects any change other than to sour peoples opinion of you. Good attitude. Red head. And fights to free slaves. Will you go out with me? I'm a Gallente lesbian
Now we're getting somewhere.
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
42
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:20:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Sometimes shipping up works too, but you are right. If you know exactly what your enemy is flying, why would you ever ship up to something that has no hope of killing them ever? There are way too many people who put all their faith in their ship's ISK worth, or in an ~awesomefit~ or a ~solopwnmobile~. And yet, I can't decide if Eve would be more or less fun if people started to actually think about what they're flying. Food for thought, I suppose.
it would be more fun if people were less concered with "i might die so im going to bring a pirate faction ship to kill a plain t1 ship that wont stand any sort of chance unless its raining outside and its monday and its the afternoon" senario |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
531
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:56:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote: it would be more fun if people were less concered with "i might die so im going to bring a pirate faction ship to kill a plain t1 ship that wont stand any sort of chance unless its raining outside and its monday and its the afternoon" senario
"I might die" is a scary concept for most people. How are you supposed to maintain KB efficiency without flying a mega-boosted faction ship? Or being in a Dreak blob? Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
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Alaric Faelen
Black Rebel Rifter Club
69
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Posted - 2012.02.22 22:29:00 -
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The OP spelled it out- and the flaw is thinking of FW as 'intro to PvP' content. It's just not. (BTW, I'm not an FW player myself so I don't have a stake in this argument) Raging is just going to immediately put people on the defensive. You've got a common complaint, but yelling about it just makes people yell back.
There is no introductory PvP in Eve. It's pretty much all or nothing. You must expect every enemy to have maxed skills and a fully blinged out ship. Often they AREN'T, but there is no game mechanic to delineate between the noob and the jedi.
FW is not a good intro to PvP concept. Just like Incursions, people make their living that way and don't want to 'lose' if they can avoid it. What the OP needs is 'cheap' PvP with someone flying cover to keep them from dying so quickly that he doesn't learn from the experience. There just isn't much of a mechanic for that in Eve. You could hook up with a null alliance and tag along with their fleets. Even the leet null pilots in capitals will welcome some fast tackle in frigates. That's what I'd suggest- perhaps work as a group with your friends to specialize in a fleet support role that will attract FC's in a larger alliance.
Often you can ask for 1v1 duels and then after losing ask the victor politely for some tips. I took a half dozen throwaway, mission-loot fitted frigates to Anamake for the Frig Fry once and just asked the people that kicked my a$$ what I was doing right/wrong. I learned a ton just from that.
You just have to understand that 'tagging along' in a fleet opens that fleet to the risk of you ganking them. It's not an indictment of Eve players that they recognize that threat. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
43
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Posted - 2012.02.23 00:30:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote: it would be more fun if people were less concered with "i might die so im going to bring a pirate faction ship to kill a plain t1 ship that wont stand any sort of chance unless its raining outside and its monday and its the afternoon" senario
"I might die" is a scary concept for most people. How are you supposed to maintain KB efficiency without flying a mega-boosted faction ship? Or being in a Dreak blob?
Growing some balls maybe? "o my god i lost a 50mil ship my efficiency is ruined!!! ill only fly in the blob from now on and run away from ANYTHING that even has the slightest chance of killing me"
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SigmaPi
Valkyr Industries Late Night Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.02.23 00:34:00 -
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Writing your autobiography, hotpocket? |
Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
152
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Posted - 2012.02.23 02:36:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Flyinghotpocket just happens to be a active pilot in the Amarr militia. Neither he nor his alts are outstandingly good, but he doesn't failfit and knows how to use his friends in ARETR to good effect.
Confirming that we are all friends with pocket who is a complete noob. You should therefore go at him. He won't mind I am sure...
Also confirming, I[ am not one of his alts...
In response to the OP
FW might be "casual" PvP to many pilots compared to the CTA events you see in null sec, but the large FW corps (and now alliances) still take it seriously and as such care about operational security in much the same way a null sec alliance does. To put it simply, the MILIITIA channel is a time delayed channel that ANYONE can put an alt in to monitor (the lulz you get when an enemy spai posts intel in YOUR militia channel about YOUR militia instead of in HIS militia channel is hilarious).
If you want to be taken seriously
- Get some kills with your corp. This lets people see you are serious about doing PvP and aren't there to spy and/or mission farm FW LP.
- Start running plexes to contest/decontest systems. Other people WILL notice this. Since there is nothing to gain from doing it at the moment except for standings with your militia and looting the wrecks for tags, doing so shows dedication to the militia and that you are there for the right reasons - to pvp and kill the opposing militias.
- Go through the motions for a period until you have established the cred you require, at which point you and YOUR corp will be able to call the next guy/corp who has just joined militia and says o/ in Militia channel a spai as you have earned your stripes
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!!
Vote Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7 |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
43
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Posted - 2012.02.23 03:16:00 -
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huh? |
SigmaPi
Valkyr Industries Late Night Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.02.23 03:22:00 -
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Just trolling you mate. The words you're spewing are just as applicable to your crowd as they are to ours. |
Mallak Azaria
Dominus Nex Angelus
57
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Posted - 2012.02.23 04:02:00 -
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This is known as the Initiation Process. All pilots & corps new to FW go through this process. It weeds out the weak & has obviously worked in your particular case. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
535
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Posted - 2012.02.23 04:44:00 -
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Har Harrison wrote: Also confirming, I am not one of his alts...
I'm not falling for that one.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Flyingdopepocket
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.23 07:42:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Har Harrison wrote: Also confirming, I am not one of his alts...
I'm not falling for that one.
and neither am I.
so....
where were we? |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
289
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Posted - 2012.02.23 14:31:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:"o my god i lost a 50mil ship my efficiency is ruined!!! ill only fly in the blob from now on and run away from ANYTHING that even has the slightest chance of killing me"
The whole "isk efficiency" rating is one of the worst statistics in eve that has discouraged good fights.
Anyway how is it calculated?
If you kill a 200 million isk battleship with 20 other players do you each get 10 million isk added to what you have killed?
Or do they base it on the amount of damage you have done? So if you did half the damage you would have 100 million isk and the other 19 would divide the other 100 million based on their damage? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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