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ClusterFook
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.02.22 01:09:00 -
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You would give us that Hybrid rebalance update you said you would write by last month! I'm sure your busy guy and maybe you forgot but i know two devs have said they would remind you to write it...
CCP Punkturis https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70011&find=unread and CCP Paradox https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=69285 who sits next to you, both said in those threads they would remind you.
As respectifully as i can say this please do what you told us you would do or at least why you can't/won't. If you need more incentive my subscription ends in 2 days (currently burnt out) if you respond by then i'll re-up my sub and juist train skills if not i'll let it expire, and be back in like 1-3 months. Oh and no bitching from me for at least 3 months if you do! (thats probably worth more than my sub anyways)
CCP you guys are doing a great job just looking for some communication on this 1 issue. Thank you. |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
30
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Posted - 2012.02.22 01:12:00 -
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Yep. We are waiting |
Mekhana
Black Knight Legion
419
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Posted - 2012.02.22 01:16:00 -
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You left us like brides on the altar. =( |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
178
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Posted - 2012.02.22 01:18:00 -
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its not worth the bother... i went as far as to promise CCP Punkturis 1000 roses if she could convince tallest to update the thread... what she found out was the tallest is no longer working on hybrid balance and has moved on...
what we got is what we are getting for atleast another year... |
ClusterFook
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2012.02.22 05:13:00 -
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Well luckily i've trained into Winmatar (that tornado is nice, wtf is the talos for again?). i remember when there was a dev blog on how unbalance is a good thing to an extent as it keeps poeple training and expereinceing new things in EVE. Guess thats not so much the case.
So 20 minutes of CCP's time is not worth the $15-$45 they will lose (letting my sub lapse for awhile) or the fact it would make a lot of gallente pilots happy. I'm guessing its becuase they dont want to do anything else with hybrids so they figure saying nothing is better than what they plan to do... ie nothing. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
529
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Posted - 2012.02.22 08:53:00 -
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ClusterFook wrote:that tornado is nice, wtf is the talos for again? ib4liang
Some follow-up feedback on that hybrid change would be great for us to see, but "buffed" should never mean "new FotM". Blasters are fine as they are now. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
ACE McFACE
Acetech Systems
584
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Posted - 2012.02.22 09:14:00 -
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Have you seen a Talos/Mega/Naga + Null ammo, its certainly no longer a waste of time to train blasters. Although probobly if you intend to go to null and join in on the big fleets, then the Tornado is the best Real men wear goggles and a Navy shirt! |
Wacktopia
Noir.
189
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Posted - 2012.02.22 09:33:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:ClusterFook wrote:that tornado is nice, wtf is the talos for again? ib4liang
He leaves S & M ?
Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67574 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |
Willl Adama
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
134
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Posted - 2012.02.22 11:20:00 -
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I like it as it is Latest Video:-á-á Kill Will: Volume 4 |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
67
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Posted - 2012.02.22 11:27:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Some follow-up feedback on that hybrid change would be great for us to see, but "buffed" should never mean "new FotM". Blasters are fine as they are now. Blasters may be fine, but how about rails?
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
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Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
31
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Posted - 2012.02.22 11:28:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Some follow-up feedback on that hybrid change would be great for us to see, but "buffed" should never mean "new FotM". Blasters are fine as they are now. Blasters may be fine, but how about rails?
Well... CCP Tallest wasnt CCP Smartest maybe thats why he failed ? :) |
Mekhana
Black Knight Legion
420
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Posted - 2012.02.22 11:35:00 -
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It's more than about guns. The boat themselves need more work. |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
1730
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Posted - 2012.02.22 11:43:00 -
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Hey!
CCP Tallest did something that caused him to recently become the father of twins (they'll probably be taller than me by next week...)! So he's away on paternity leave for a little while and his team is mostly focusing on their own areas of specialty while he's away. But continued re-balancing is still very much on the agenda for upcoming releases. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |
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Sirinda
Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild
27
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Posted - 2012.02.22 11:52:00 -
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Congrats to Tallest, then. DOn't let yourself get rushed, family always takes priority. |
Grideris
Fleet Coordination Command Fleet Coordination Coalition
149
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Posted - 2012.02.22 11:55:00 -
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Geez, how many CCP employees are welcoming new alts right now? There seems to be heaps of them... http://www.dust514.org - the unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
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Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
225
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Posted - 2012.02.22 12:05:00 -
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Congrats to CCP Tallest for achieving multiball!
I'm sure he'll see the hybrid/ship balancing to the end when he comes back, meanwhile blaster boats are absolutely usable, and superior choices in several situations.
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Bubanni
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
85
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Posted - 2012.02.22 12:10:00 -
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he used his Heavy Neutron Blaster II and perfectly striked his wife dealing twins? |
Landrae
Sinners Among Saints
295
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Posted - 2012.02.22 12:24:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Hey!
CCP Tallest did something that caused him to recently become the father of twins (they'll probably be taller than me by next week...)! So he's away on paternity leave for a little while and his team is mostly focusing on their own areas of specialty while he's away. But continued re-balancing is still very much on the agenda for upcoming releases.
Twin Ponies?
My cow collapsed, and now there's a human to animal infection outbreak among illegal immigrants. |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
32
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Posted - 2012.02.22 12:30:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Hey!
CCP Tallest did something that caused him to recently become the father of twins (they'll probably be taller than me by next week...)! So he's away on paternity leave for a little while and his team is mostly focusing on their own areas of specialty while he's away. But continued re-balancing is still very much on the agenda for upcoming releases.
Great to hear about twins. Congrats Tallest !
And Thanks for feedback about hybrids ! at last :) |
Simvastatin Montelukast
Irregular Warfare Mean Coalition
13
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Posted - 2012.02.22 12:40:00 -
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Did he have boys, girls or a swirl? |
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Alara IonStorm
1656
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Posted - 2012.02.22 12:41:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Hey!
CCP Tallest did something that caused him to recently become the father of twins (they'll probably be taller than me by next week...)! So he's away on paternity leave for a little while and his team is mostly focusing on their own areas of specialty while he's away. But continued re-balancing is still very much on the agenda for upcoming releases. Sniping Congrats. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
473
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Posted - 2012.02.22 12:43:00 -
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Congratulations \o/ |
Aine Ni
Some Really Meaningless Name
12
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Posted - 2012.02.22 13:01:00 -
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As a soon to be dad too - congratz |
Mekhana
Black Knight Legion
421
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Posted - 2012.02.22 13:02:00 -
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Congrats Tallest.
Now come back and keep working. *cracks the whip.* |
Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1378
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Posted - 2012.02.22 13:33:00 -
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CONGRATS, TALLEST !! :D Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
529
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Posted - 2012.02.22 14:23:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:ClusterFook wrote:that tornado is nice, wtf is the talos for again? ib4liang He leaves S & M ? The call of singing the Talos' praise is too strong. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
38
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Posted - 2012.02.22 14:39:00 -
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congrats on the family Tallest. |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
456
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:11:00 -
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This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. |
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
815
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:12:00 -
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Congrats to Tallest and Madame first of all.
Secondly Mr Tallest now you'll have to work harder, this means that when you'll get back you'll work at least 12hours/d until it's done !
By the time hybrids job will get done you will be aloud to use your blaster on Madame again.
Do it, nao !!! |
Keen Fallsword
Billionaires Club BLACK-MARK
32
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:26:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD.
HA! Princess is here ! Princess when we see any more changes to Gallente ships :) ? |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
456
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:32:00 -
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Keen Fallsword wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. HA! Princess is here ! Princess when we see any more changes to Gallente ships :) ?
When people stop having babies :crosses his arms: |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
180
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:48:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:Hey!
CCP Tallest did something that caused him to recently become the father of twins (they'll probably be taller than me by next week...)! So he's away on paternity leave for a little while and his team is mostly focusing on their own areas of specialty while he's away. But continued re-balancing is still very much on the agenda for upcoming releases.
Oh snap... I take back all the mean things I said... Tell tallest mazel-tov for me eh |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
85
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:55:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD.
That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D |
gfldex
326
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:58:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Babies are bad, BAD.
Dude! Dude! Listen! Tallest is multiplying! In a few decades time you will be knee deep in ship changers!
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
529
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Posted - 2012.02.22 15:59:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Some follow-up feedback on that hybrid change would be great for us to see, but "buffed" should never mean "new FotM". Blasters are fine as they are now. Blasters may be fine, but how about rails? Rails are not 100% OK yet
Small ones are, but meds and larges have their utility reduced due to ranges at 150 km or longer being useless due to on-grid probing. We aren't going to see Eagles going around until they are just as safe from people randomly warping to them as Zealots are.
Oh also sniper-HACs are now broken because of tier-3 BCs. But that's how it goes, I suppose. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
457
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:37:00 -
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Bubanni wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D
We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). |
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Astoreni
Wolfsbrigade
1
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:43:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Bubanni wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?).
\o this is now a "Titan nerf thread" o/ |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
439
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Posted - 2012.02.22 16:47:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD.
I was thinking along the same wavelength, soundwave. Luckily Tallest and other CCP employees are male, so they can continue to drink the whole time the pregnancy comes to term. Was afraid his child(s) would have problems with how much drinking happens. But that dont matter, keep up the drunkedness, women only can't drink. disorientating |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
180
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:29:00 -
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question how long the mat leave in iceland? and pics or it did not happen lolz... |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
815
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:40:00 -
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rodyas wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. I was thinking along the same wavelength, soundwave. Luckily Tallest and other CCP employees are male, so they can continue to drink the whole time the pregnancy comes to term. Was afraid his child(s) would have problems with how much drinking happens. But that dont matter, keep up the drunkedness, women only can't drink.
What a goof !!
Work environment with women around is always better, believe me I almost know what I'm saying. Thing is that when you pin one it's like plates drawbacks, you look better but you get slower and you'll have to work harder. Tallest is just testing IRL Dominix piloting, this time he will do the right thing ! |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
180
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:49:00 -
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ok just googled it mat leave in iceland for men is 90 days... so three months... so umm when were the little ones born? |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
595
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:00:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Bubanni wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). i hope both are male or both female. Otherwise eve could lose the whole balancing team because of babies! a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
236
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:02:00 -
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Perhaps CCP Tallest refers to something else too....
Congrats on the kiddos Tallest, hope we see them replace Sundwave someday! He's getting kinda scruffy and old anyway. Stuff Goes here |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:29:00 -
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Wait .. so he gets paternity leave because of a few minutes of enjoyable "work" nine months ago?
grtz Tallest |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1371
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Posted - 2012.02.22 22:29:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:ok just googled it mat leave in iceland for men is 90 days... so three months... so umm when were the little ones born?
it's 9 months 3 for the mom 3 for the dad 3 months they can split however they like
but then you get more when you produce more than one baby at once, I don't know exactly how much more
now be nice and let Tallest enjoy the time with his super cute little dudes CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
3
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Posted - 2012.02.22 22:30:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:it's 9 months 3 for the mom 3 for the dad 3 months they can split however they like but then you get more when you produce more than one baby at once, I don't know exactly how much more now be nice and let Tallest enjoy the time with his super cute little dudes
Damnit Punkturis, you have to take on his mantle of the saviour of the Gallente people, then. Get into that source code, change a few values and be hailed as a hero. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1371
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Posted - 2012.02.22 22:37:00 -
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TheBreadMuncher wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:it's 9 months 3 for the mom 3 for the dad 3 months they can split however they like but then you get more when you produce more than one baby at once, I don't know exactly how much more now be nice and let Tallest enjoy the time with his super cute little dudes Damnit Punkturis, you have to take on his mantle of the saviour of the Gallente people, then. Get into that source code, change a few values and be hailed as a hero.
I'm pretty sure you guys don't want me to do balancing... CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Lord MuffloN
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.02.22 23:31:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:TheBreadMuncher wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:it's 9 months 3 for the mom 3 for the dad 3 months they can split however they like but then you get more when you produce more than one baby at once, I don't know exactly how much more now be nice and let Tallest enjoy the time with his super cute little dudes Damnit Punkturis, you have to take on his mantle of the saviour of the Gallente people, then. Get into that source code, change a few values and be hailed as a hero. I'm pretty sure you guys don't want me to do balancing...
Whatcouldpossiblygowrong.jpg
Edit: Please don't forget about blasters (or Gallente hulls), us poor Gallente flying sobs are still looking for firewood and scraps of metal so we can make makeshift shelters to protect ourselves from predatory Minmatar, Caldari and Amarr players :( |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics Darkmatter Initiative
92
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Posted - 2012.02.22 23:57:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD.
When are you planning on revisiting hybrids? |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
141
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Posted - 2012.02.23 00:01:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:ClusterFook wrote:that tornado is nice, wtf is the talos for again? ib4liang He leaves S & M ?
No. He just prefers S&M If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |
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ClusterFook
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2012.02.23 00:13:00 -
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To be fair if one perosn goes on leave for an extended peroid of time, important parts of the game should not be neglected becuase of it especially when it was a focus for the new expansion, that is poor corporate organization and planning. That said CCP is honestly the most interactive and engaging of the playerbase of any mmo publisher i have seen to date. You guys have a sense of humor that i love, and you seem to treat your people well from my point of view.
So congrast to Tallest and good luck with the double work load at home ;) (I too am a fan of dogs over babies lol) |
Jenshae Chiroptera
459
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Posted - 2012.02.23 00:42:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:now be nice and let Tallest enjoy the time with his super cute little dudes That is the drugs talking. Babies, which are ugly, mentally weak, smelly, blind and noisy; give off chemicals which hot wire us into liking and wanting to protect them.
Grideris wrote:Geez, how many CCP employees are welcoming new alts right now? There seems to be heaps of them...
Just be sure to distinguish between GM, who read, write, have some professional social skills and Devs, who do actual programming, image muckery (while using illegal substances i.e. camouflage paint), meshes and database administration. Although, a lot of it is playing with programs that make games, such as 3D Max. Ideas & stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. -á Status: Taking a break |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.23 02:20:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:TheBreadMuncher wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:it's 9 months 3 for the mom 3 for the dad 3 months they can split however they like but then you get more when you produce more than one baby at once, I don't know exactly how much more now be nice and let Tallest enjoy the time with his super cute little dudes Damnit Punkturis, you have to take on his mantle of the saviour of the Gallente people, then. Get into that source code, change a few values and be hailed as a hero. I'm pretty sure you guys don't want me to do balancing...
yeah but its only 3 months for tallest in total...
i mean yeah sure kids are important but are they as important as magnetic cauldrons spewing plasma?!?!? maddness?!?!? |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
764
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Posted - 2012.02.23 04:10:00 -
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// demands obligitory ccp tallest in a man bra doing the feeding.
GRATS MAN! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3042
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Posted - 2012.02.23 08:56:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:Bubanni wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?).
Let the games begin Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Alara IonStorm
1667
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Posted - 2012.02.23 08:57:00 -
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Obsidian Hawk wrote:// demands obligitory ccp tallest in a man bra doing the feeding.
If that is now an obligatory request... I weep for humanity. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
820
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Posted - 2012.02.23 11:12:00 -
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awww this thread is not good, not good at all, please stop it.
Now me too wants to do babies... maybe I should call an ex gf ! |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
5
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Posted - 2012.02.23 11:38:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote: I'm pretty sure you guys don't want me to do balancing...
If you balance it so everything is highly biased towards the gallente, you'll be fine. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:02:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:Obsidian Hawk wrote:// demands obligitory ccp tallest in a man bra doing the feeding.
If that is now an obligatory request... I weep for humanity.
lmao i just pictured that... |
thoth rothschild
Trux Germani Ev0ke
67
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:03:00 -
[60] - Quote
First and most important: Gz Tallest !!! I hope you will have a great time with the new earth inhabitants.
now i do have a serious question: Two-man rule ? |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:07:00 -
[61] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Bubanni wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). Let the games begin
umm so when should be expect the dev blog and tears that shall follow...
i want to make sure i have popcorn ready...
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
561
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:50:00 -
[62] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Bubanni wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). Let the games begin
hey malcanis care to comment on your participation issues? |
Timmy Tebow
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
3
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Posted - 2012.02.23 19:23:00 -
[63] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). God, I hope you're kidding about this titan nerf business. It's a 100b+ isk ship. What do you think it SHOULD do? Have you ever tried to accumulate that kind of isk in game? From start to finish, everything about a titan is epic -- the cost, production time, risk involved, etc. I think it's been nerfed enough -- too much even. Shouldn't the outcome of all that work be something equally epic? |
crack'me'up
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.23 19:31:00 -
[64] - Quote
Timmy Tebow wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). God, I hope you're kidding about this titan nerf business. It's a 100b+ isk ship. What do you think it SHOULD do? Have you ever tried to accumulate that kind of isk in game? From start to finish, everything about a titan is epic -- the cost, production time, risk involved, etc. I think it's been nerfed enough -- too much even. Shouldn't the outcome of all that work be something equally epic?
ofc not. NERF TITANS NOW i say..
100b ship, months and months pilling up isk, huge work hauling mins / building / cooking the damn ship, protecting the tower, praying no one notices the CSAA (when in truth half galaxy knows exactly where it is) .. nerf it now i say! make them useless (well, they are ALREADY useless..)
let's aLL fly drakes and quit the game |
Zleon Leigh
89
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Posted - 2012.02.23 19:34:00 -
[65] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:TheBreadMuncher wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:it's 9 months 3 for the mom 3 for the dad 3 months they can split however they like but then you get more when you produce more than one baby at once, I don't know exactly how much more now be nice and let Tallest enjoy the time with his super cute little dudes Damnit Punkturis, you have to take on his mantle of the saviour of the Gallente people, then. Get into that source code, change a few values and be hailed as a hero. I'm pretty sure you guys don't want me to do balancing...
Incursions have been dealing out all sorts of effects into space-time... might explain random changes seen in hulls undocking in the future. Fortunately the effects only last 48 hours.
Get some dice and go for it, Punkturis!
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Tore Vest
237
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Posted - 2012.02.23 19:37:00 -
[66] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote: (titan tracking, anyone?). Nice troll.. You wanted to make goons happy now ? A real highsec carebear. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
584
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Posted - 2012.02.23 19:42:00 -
[67] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:MeBiatch wrote:ok just googled it mat leave in iceland for men is 90 days... so three months... so umm when were the little ones born? it's 9 months 3 for the mom 3 for the dad 3 months they can split however they like but then you get more when you produce more than one baby at once, I don't know exactly how much more now be nice and let Tallest enjoy the time with his super cute little dudes
This system seems exploitable. Make baby, have baby, get 9 months off, sell baby on black market, make new baby, have new baby, get 9 more months off, sell new baby on black market...
A clever Icelander would never have to work again and make a fortune selling babies. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
544
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Posted - 2012.02.23 19:51:00 -
[68] - Quote
Jada Maroo wrote:A clever Icelander would never have to work again and make a fortune selling babies. And here I was wondering where CCP got inspiration for some of the ****** up mechanics in Eve (like the old insurance fraud). Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
guibio
Kernel of War Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.23 20:50:00 -
[69] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?).
**** Yea ! |
Rek Esket
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23
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Posted - 2012.02.23 21:31:00 -
[70] - Quote
Timmy Tebow wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). God, I hope you're kidding about this titan nerf business. It's a 100b+ isk ship. What do you think it SHOULD do? Have you ever tried to accumulate that kind of isk in game? From start to finish, everything about a titan is epic -- the cost, production time, risk involved, etc. I think it's been nerfed enough -- too much even. Shouldn't the outcome of all that work be something equally epic?
Just in case this isn't a troll, there's nothing particularly epic about Titans these days apart from how strong they are in groups.
Dozens of Titans get made perfectly safely every month, and there are more locked away on inactive accounts than have ever died in combat. It's a ship class without a role, and they've consistently been able to kill everything on grid in sufficient numbers. |
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Pattern Clarc
Aperture Harmonics
367
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:17:00 -
[71] - Quote
Pokes head in thread.
Congrats on the twins!
In Eve:
"notification: twins strike gallente balance wrecking for "lol-nope" damage."
"doh"
Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction |
Vheroki
FinFleet Raiden.
1
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:33:00 -
[72] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Bubanni wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?).
I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
547
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:34:00 -
[73] - Quote
Vheroki wrote: I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just what to ask my money back after 9 years.
Half of Eve players actually fly Titans, CCP will really feel it when they all quit. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2394
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:37:00 -
[74] - Quote
Timmy Tebow wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). God, I hope you're kidding about this titan nerf business. It's a 100b+ isk ship. What do you think it SHOULD do? Have you ever tried to accumulate that kind of isk in game? From start to finish, everything about a titan is epic -- the cost, production time, risk involved, etc. I think it's been nerfed enough -- too much even. Shouldn't the outcome of all that work be something equally epic?
getting enough money for a titan is stupid easy |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1638
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:38:00 -
[75] - Quote
Vheroki wrote:I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.
I love this post so much.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2394
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:39:00 -
[76] - Quote
Vheroki wrote: I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.
there's only 750 or so subbed titans |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1638
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:39:00 -
[77] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Vheroki wrote: I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just what to ask my money back after 9 years.
Half of Eve players actually fly Titans, CCP will really feel it when they all quit.
Eve would be a billion times better if people who self-identify as "Titan Pilots" all quit the game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
100
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:40:00 -
[78] - Quote
I guess it's time to riot in Jita again in YOUR TITAN. |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:40:00 -
[79] - Quote
Vheroki wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Bubanni wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.
U mad? |
RDevz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:40:00 -
[80] - Quote
Vheroki wrote: I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.
I'm sure everyone at CCP is quaking in their boots at the thought of literally TENS of pilots unsubscribing, the effect that making the game better for everyone else will have on their bottom line. |
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Tore Vest
238
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:41:00 -
[81] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Half of Eve players actually fly Titans, CCP will really feel it when they all quit.
I dont think CCP cares.. I'm shure goons alone can feed them A real highsec carebear. |
Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:44:00 -
[82] - Quote
Vheroki wrote:I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.
I'm behind anything that causes more posts like this |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
462
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:44:00 -
[83] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D
We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?).[/quote]
Yes please.
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CALUGARU
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:46:00 -
[84] - Quote
everyone knows to expect any promises made by CCP to be late at least one year though eventually they do deliver... (in installments) u jelleh |
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
171
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:49:00 -
[85] - Quote
RDevz wrote:Vheroki wrote: I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.
I'm sure everyone at CCP is quaking in their boots at the thought of literally TENS of pilots unsubscribing, the effect that making the game better for everyone else will have on their bottom line.
No you see each titan pilot has several hundred alt accounts and they will all unsub, CCP will go bankrupt and Reykjavik will slip into the sea. |
Kai Jyokoroi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:50:00 -
[86] - Quote
Vheroki wrote: I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.
Ohhhh, you little tease. You're getting me all worked up. Say that again in a cutesey voice.
Now pretend like I've been bad. Yeah. Go on. Tell me you'll leave the game again. Oh man this is so doing it for me. Come on.
OK I'm finished, now get out.
No, you can't have the taxi fare jesus christ
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Sweet Felicia
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
0
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:55:00 -
[87] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote: We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?).
You sir am terrible at public relations.
Nerfing or changing titans is a major issue for the game, balance of power etc.
You do not drop a bomb like this! Make a real thread or a devblog if you are serious about it.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1638
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Posted - 2012.02.23 22:59:00 -
[88] - Quote
Sweet Felicia wrote:Nerfing or changing titans is a major issue for the game
I'm sure you meant to say that nerfing titans is a major fix for the game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Histocomp
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:00:00 -
[89] - Quote
More details on DEATH TO ALL SUPERCAPS please . |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1396
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:03:00 -
[90] - Quote
Jada Maroo wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:MeBiatch wrote:ok just googled it mat leave in iceland for men is 90 days... so three months... so umm when were the little ones born? it's 9 months 3 for the mom 3 for the dad 3 months they can split however they like but then you get more when you produce more than one baby at once, I don't know exactly how much more now be nice and let Tallest enjoy the time with his super cute little dudes This system seems exploitable. Make baby, have baby, get 9 months off, sell baby on black market, make new baby, have new baby, get 9 more months off, sell new baby on black market... A clever Icelander would never have to work again and make a fortune selling babies.
this is pretty common, the black market for babies is pretty big in Iceland.
if you're coming for fanfest you better be sure what you're eating if you're not a person to eat babies (some people seem to have a problem with it) CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Wen Illiad
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:04:00 -
[91] - Quote
Vheroki wrote: I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.
I DOUBLE DOG DARE CCP to nerf Titan tracking. |
Death2all Supercaps
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:05:00 -
[92] - Quote
Histocomp wrote:More details on DEATH TO ALL SUPERCAPS please .
Sup |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1640
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:12:00 -
[93] - Quote
Vheroki wrote:I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.
Vote for The Mittani for CSM7 if you want to see more hilarious posts like this.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
598
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:20:00 -
[94] - Quote
My popcorn BPO is all ME/PE'd up and ready to go, in preparation for more hilarious posts such as this:
Vheroki wrote:I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.
I do hope, however, that one of the main things to come in this focus on war, is a much better sov system which allows for more small skirmishes instead of forcing every system to become a fuckoff huge fight with 1000+ on each side. I'd say that'd be a more effective fix than nerfing titan tracking, although it has to be said that the amount of tears that would generate would probably be delicious. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2162
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:24:00 -
[95] - Quote
Vheroki wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Bubanni wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.
EVE ToS wrote:CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOUGÇÖVE CREATED.
basically they have your money, deal with it m8 "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2395
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:27:00 -
[96] - Quote
Vheroki wrote: I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years.
you've been around 9 years?
what was it like getting kicked out of scalding pass and deteroid and teneferis and feythabolis and esoteria and delve and fountain and fountain again and delve again |
Cireg
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:40:00 -
[97] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:My popcorn BPO is all ME/PE'd up and ready to go, in preparation for more hilarious posts such as this: Vheroki wrote:I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years. I do hope, however, that one of the main things to come in this focus on war, is a much better sov system which allows for more small skirmishes instead of forcing every system to become a fuckoff huge fight with 1000+ on each side. I'd say that'd be a more effective fix than nerfing titan tracking, although it has to be said that the amount of tears that would generate would probably be delicious.
The problem is that some alliances (including my own) is based upon being supercap heavy and not numbers heavy. It has been a deliberate choice, and adding the titan nerf to the already existing supercarrier nerf (and we all know that supercarriers aren't really a danger to a subcap fleet apart from ECM Burst) would remove the foundation of these alliances. That is of course a choice we've made, and have been aware that it could lead to a nerf. However, we are also a central part in the 0.0 warfare that has been going on for years, and the general feeling is that if the titan nerf is similar to the supercarrier nerf, then why bother?
Looking at rebalancing titans is fair enough. However from our point of view, a nerf of the titan in similar fashion to supercarriers would simply mean that CCP's vision for future 0.0 warfare is numbers > anything else, be it fleet composition, ingame skillpoints and FC abilities. Yes, good pilots will sometimes beat bad pilots while outnumbered. Good pilots however won't win against 600 man maelstrom fleets (with welpcanes and drakes) that can instapop triage carriers and anything else short of a supercarrier.
My concern is that if the nerf of titans will be as heavy as the supercarrier nerf was towards fighting subcap fleets, you'll have some rather important alliances in the 0.0 warfare deciding they can't be bothered waiting for a "fix" on sov warfare that removes the numbers > everything focus that is currently taking place from CCP. No one can be interested in that happening, despite how much in-game fighting and "hate" there is between our respective blocs.
I anticipate many "Your tears are delicious" and similar mocking tones, but I am not really that angry about the nerf, I just fear with CCP's track record of fixing things, there will be a long time between a titan nerf, and a fix to the whole sov warfare/numbers game issue. |
Cireg
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:42:00 -
[98] - Quote
EDIT: Double post!
Also, this seems to be quite an odd place to "announce" the rebalancing of titans is currently in the workings at CCP. Perhaps some more official blog or similar from CCP would be good, including what their initial thoughts and ideas are regarding titans? As in, what role CCP feel they should have in the future? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2399
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:44:00 -
[99] - Quote
Cireg wrote: Looking at rebalancing titans is fair enough. However from our point of view, a nerf of the titan in similar fashion to supercarriers would simply mean that CCP's vision for future 0.0 warfare is numbers > anything else, be it fleet composition, ingame skillpoints and FC abilities. Yes, good pilots will sometimes beat bad pilots while outnumbered. Good pilots however won't win against 600 man maelstrom fleets (with welpcanes and drakes) that can instapop triage carriers and anything else short of a supercarrier.
CCP's goal is for a balanced well-fought fleet to beat a numerically superior fleet with inferior composition and/or tactics.
"all titans, all the time" requires neither balanced fleet composition nor tactical skill. It is, in essence, a pure numbers game: whoever has more titans wins. It's just all the chaff is irrelevant. |
Cireg
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:48:00 -
[100] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Cireg wrote: Looking at rebalancing titans is fair enough. However from our point of view, a nerf of the titan in similar fashion to supercarriers would simply mean that CCP's vision for future 0.0 warfare is numbers > anything else, be it fleet composition, ingame skillpoints and FC abilities. Yes, good pilots will sometimes beat bad pilots while outnumbered. Good pilots however won't win against 600 man maelstrom fleets (with welpcanes and drakes) that can instapop triage carriers and anything else short of a supercarrier.
CCP's goal is for a balanced well-fought fleet to beat a numerically superior fleet. "all titans, all the time" requires neither balanced fleet composition nor tactical skill. It is, in essence, a pure numbers game: whoever has more titans wins. It's just all the chaff is irrelevant.
The problem is, that while you argue that there is currently no counter to "all titans, all the time" (which I am not in complete disagreement with you on), my argument is that there is currently no counter apart from "all titans, all the time" to the 600 man Maelstrom fleet. You can alpha any form of logistics we can place on field, bombers during TiDi is unrealiable at best, Abaddons and Tengus are tried and tested, but when you reach the number of Maelstroms where anything gets alphastriked, there is really very little you can do, other than do the odd warp-in and snipe a little. |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:53:00 -
[101] - Quote
Cireg wrote:Lord Zim wrote:My popcorn BPO is all ME/PE'd up and ready to go, in preparation for more hilarious posts such as this: Vheroki wrote:I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years. I do hope, however, that one of the main things to come in this focus on war, is a much better sov system which allows for more small skirmishes instead of forcing every system to become a fuckoff huge fight with 1000+ on each side. I'd say that'd be a more effective fix than nerfing titan tracking, although it has to be said that the amount of tears that would generate would probably be delicious. The problem is that some alliances (including my own) is based upon being supercap heavy and not numbers heavy. It has been a deliberate choice, and adding the titan nerf to the already existing supercarrier nerf (and we all know that supercarriers aren't really a danger to a subcap fleet apart from ECM Burst) would remove the foundation of these alliances. That is of course a choice we've made, and have been aware that it could lead to a nerf. However, we are also a central part in the 0.0 warfare that has been going on for years, and the general feeling is that if the titan nerf is similar to the supercarrier nerf, then why bother? Looking at rebalancing titans is fair enough. However from our point of view, a nerf of the titan in similar fashion to supercarriers would simply mean that CCP's vision for future 0.0 warfare is numbers > anything else, be it fleet composition, ingame skillpoints and FC abilities. Yes, good pilots will sometimes beat bad pilots while outnumbered. Good pilots however won't win against 600 man maelstrom fleets (with welpcanes and drakes) that can instapop triage carriers and anything else short of a supercarrier. My concern is that if the nerf of titans will be as heavy as the supercarrier nerf was towards fighting subcap fleets, you'll have some rather important alliances in the 0.0 warfare deciding they can't be bothered waiting for a "fix" on sov warfare that removes the numbers > everything focus that is currently taking place from CCP. No one can be interested in that happening, despite how much in-game fighting and "hate" there is between our respective blocs. I anticipate many "Your tears are delicious" and similar mocking tones, but I am not really that angry about the nerf, I just fear with CCP's track record of fixing things, there will be a long time between a titan nerf, and a fix to the whole sov warfare/numbers game issue.
you sound like you are in PL tell me you are PL
TLDR:
were used to powning anyone we come across and dont want to loose our shiny toys... please dont make us elite players actually have to play with the lower scrubs of the game... |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2165
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:55:00 -
[102] - Quote
Titans being able to hit battleships isn't broken, but being able to track hics, dics, logis and recons with transversal is messed up, imo. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Cireg
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:55:00 -
[103] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Cireg wrote:Lord Zim wrote:My popcorn BPO is all ME/PE'd up and ready to go, in preparation for more hilarious posts such as this: Vheroki wrote:I DARE you to nerf that tracking the result you will see it in the monthly bills. When i see you guys post i just want to ask for my money back after 9 years. I do hope, however, that one of the main things to come in this focus on war, is a much better sov system which allows for more small skirmishes instead of forcing every system to become a fuckoff huge fight with 1000+ on each side. I'd say that'd be a more effective fix than nerfing titan tracking, although it has to be said that the amount of tears that would generate would probably be delicious. The problem is that some alliances (including my own) is based upon being supercap heavy and not numbers heavy. It has been a deliberate choice, and adding the titan nerf to the already existing supercarrier nerf (and we all know that supercarriers aren't really a danger to a subcap fleet apart from ECM Burst) would remove the foundation of these alliances. That is of course a choice we've made, and have been aware that it could lead to a nerf. However, we are also a central part in the 0.0 warfare that has been going on for years, and the general feeling is that if the titan nerf is similar to the supercarrier nerf, then why bother? Looking at rebalancing titans is fair enough. However from our point of view, a nerf of the titan in similar fashion to supercarriers would simply mean that CCP's vision for future 0.0 warfare is numbers > anything else, be it fleet composition, ingame skillpoints and FC abilities. Yes, good pilots will sometimes beat bad pilots while outnumbered. Good pilots however won't win against 600 man maelstrom fleets (with welpcanes and drakes) that can instapop triage carriers and anything else short of a supercarrier. My concern is that if the nerf of titans will be as heavy as the supercarrier nerf was towards fighting subcap fleets, you'll have some rather important alliances in the 0.0 warfare deciding they can't be bothered waiting for a "fix" on sov warfare that removes the numbers > everything focus that is currently taking place from CCP. No one can be interested in that happening, despite how much in-game fighting and "hate" there is between our respective blocs. I anticipate many "Your tears are delicious" and similar mocking tones, but I am not really that angry about the nerf, I just fear with CCP's track record of fixing things, there will be a long time between a titan nerf, and a fix to the whole sov warfare/numbers game issue. you sound like you are in PL tell me you are PL
Sorry, spacebro. I'm in the alliance of the dude from Mortal Kombat who throws around lightning and thunder, or some such
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2399
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:56:00 -
[104] - Quote
Cireg wrote: The problem is, that while you argue that there is currently no counter to "all titans, all the time" (which I am not in complete disagreement with you on), my argument is that there is currently no counter apart from "all titans, all the time" to the 600 man Maelstrom fleet. You can alpha any form of logistics we can place on field, bombers during TiDi is unrealiable at best, Abaddons and Tengus are tried and tested, but when you reach the number of Maelstroms where anything gets alphastriked, there is really very little you can do, other than do the odd warp-in and snipe a little.
A good rock-paper-scissors situation with fleet comps would be good, so that (for instance) maels beat abbadons beat tengus beat maels. But an alphafleet is fundamentally less of a problem than titanfleet because it involves a lot more people in the fight and so even if it's just who has more maelstroms, that's a more fun game than who has more titans. You can, of course, bomb a mael fleet though: bombers always exist as a subcap counter for poorly flown subcaps.
I would have no problem with CCP tweaking maels once titans are properly nerfed, but it's less of "must be done now" issue. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2165
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Posted - 2012.02.23 23:59:00 -
[105] - Quote
let's just all fly rifters "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.02.23 23:59:00 -
[106] - Quote
Cireg wrote:bombers during TiDi is unrealiable at best I call bullshit on this. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
548
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 00:00:00 -
[107] - Quote
Andski wrote:let's just all fly rifters This.
Edit: Whoa, wtf, 3 posts in one second?! Editedit: nvm, I'm blind. That's a minute. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 00:01:00 -
[108] - Quote
Andski wrote:Titans being able to hit battleships isn't terribly broken, but being able to track hics, dics, logis and recons with transversal is messed up, imo.
yes listen this is an easy fix
change the damage applied formula to add 3 variables
0 = cap ship 1= battleship/bc 2= cruisers and smaller
if 0 is true then x = 0-1 if 1 is true then x = 0.25-1 if 2 is true then x = 0.75-1
to do damage ingame the chance to hit formula comes up with a number between 0 and 1 this is rated against a random number being x which its self is anywhere between 0 and 1.
if cth is higher then x then you hit and the hier it is then x defines what kind of hit it is...
what this will do is titans can still do max damage to cap ships
has its damage to bs/bc's reduced by at least 25%
and its damage to everything else by at least 75%
edit: you could even add a 4th level for frigs where x = 0.9 - 1 then you would literally have to get a perfect shot to even get a glancing blow... which would be nill chances... |
Cireg
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:03:00 -
[109] - Quote
EDIT: ******* double posts! |
Cireg
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:04:00 -
[110] - Quote
Andski wrote:let's just all fly rifters
You guys can field more of those! Nerf numbers! |
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Cireg
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:05:00 -
[111] - Quote
Cireg wrote:Weaselior wrote:Cireg wrote: The problem is, that while you argue that there is currently no counter to "all titans, all the time" (which I am not in complete disagreement with you on), my argument is that there is currently no counter apart from "all titans, all the time" to the 600 man Maelstrom fleet. You can alpha any form of logistics we can place on field, bombers during TiDi is unrealiable at best, Abaddons and Tengus are tried and tested, but when you reach the number of Maelstroms where anything gets alphastriked, there is really very little you can do, other than do the odd warp-in and snipe a little.
A good rock-paper-scissors situation with fleet comps would be good, so that (for instance) maels beat abbadons beat tengus beat maels. But an alphafleet is fundamentally less of a problem than titanfleet because it involves a lot more people in the fight and so even if it's just who has more maelstroms, that's a more fun game than who has more titans. You can, of course, bomb a mael fleet though: bombers always exist as a subcap counter for poorly flown subcaps. I would have no problem with CCP tweaking maels once titans are properly nerfed, but it's less of "must be done now" issue. Yeah, that's why some sort of official thread/blog from CCP would be good. Is this just a "hotfix" for balancing titans, or does this include/is the beginning of some new plan for how sov warfare should be working. For me it's not so much of a "you nerfed titans, so you must nerf Maels", but more of it being that titans (with supercarrier support) is the central counter to numbers in general in the current sov warfare mechanics. I liked the post by the Goon who wanted to split sov. warfare up into smaller skirmishes over a constellation, rather than the current game with stuffing people into one system and watch the slow motion fleets duking it out. Nerfing titans in similar fashion to supercarriers without adressing the structural issues behind the massive use of supercaps by those who can, I fear will be deadly to the 0.0 warfare.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
598
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 00:07:00 -
[112] - Quote
Cireg wrote:but more of it being that titans (with supercarrier support) is the central counter to numbers in general in the current sov warfare mechanics. No, it's swapping some numbers for another type of numbers.
Cireg wrote:Nerfing titans in similar fashion to supercarriers without adressing the structural issues behind the massive use of supercaps by those who can, I fear will be deadly to the 0.0 warfare. Maybe we'll see more dread usage. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 00:07:00 -
[113] - Quote
does quoting your self make you feel special? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2401
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 00:13:00 -
[114] - Quote
Cireg wrote: For me it's not so much of a "you nerfed titans, so you must nerf Maels", but more of it being that titans (with supercarrier support) is the central counter to numbers in general in the current sov warfare mechanics. I liked the post by the Goon who wanted to split sov. warfare up into smaller skirmishes over a constellation, rather than the current game with stuffing people into one system and watch the slow motion fleets duking it out.
Nerfing titans in similar fashion to supercarriers without adressing the structural issues behind the massive use of supercaps by those who can, I fear will be deadly to the 0.0 warfare.
They're not really a "counter" to numbers, they're a counter to everything except more titans. It's just numbers win, but we changed what number we look at to determine who wins. Even if maels are not touched at all, and even if a maelfleet is a counter to everything (and it's not, because of bombers), you're changing EVE from a game where 750 people are really all that matters in 0.0 to a game where everyone can make a difference. EVE is a flat out better game with more maels > everything than more titans > everything. It's not a perfect game at that point, but it's a much better one. |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
462
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:17:00 -
[115] - Quote
It's nice to see CCP listen to the player base feedback on the forums.
Also why is there still a covert ops that only has two high slots?? Such a super easy thing to fix too. :(
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
549
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:22:00 -
[116] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:It's nice to see CCP listen to the player base feedback on the forums.
Also why is there still a covert ops that only has two high slots?? Such a super easy thing to fix too. :(
Helios would be OP in combat if it had more. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
446
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 00:25:00 -
[117] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:Jada Maroo wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:MeBiatch wrote:ok just googled it mat leave in iceland for men is 90 days... so three months... so umm when were the little ones born? it's 9 months 3 for the mom 3 for the dad 3 months they can split however they like but then you get more when you produce more than one baby at once, I don't know exactly how much more now be nice and let Tallest enjoy the time with his super cute little dudes This system seems exploitable. Make baby, have baby, get 9 months off, sell baby on black market, make new baby, have new baby, get 9 more months off, sell new baby on black market... A clever Icelander would never have to work again and make a fortune selling babies. this is pretty common, the black market for babies is pretty big in Iceland. if you're coming for fanfest you better be sure what you're eating if you're not a person to eat babies (some people seem to have a problem with it)
Think instead of PLEX, we can just give you a baby and you give us a ticket to fanfest? Just need to get with 12 girls, and I have a free year of EVE coming. disorientating |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2166
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 00:29:00 -
[118] - Quote
Petrus Blackshell wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:It's nice to see CCP listen to the player base feedback on the forums.
Also why is there still a covert ops that only has two high slots?? Such a super easy thing to fix too. :( Helios would be OP in combat if it had more.
because people obviously fit guns on covops and the 1 light drone you can carry on a Helios does significant damage "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:32:00 -
[119] - Quote
Andski wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:It's nice to see CCP listen to the player base feedback on the forums.
Also why is there still a covert ops that only has two high slots?? Such a super easy thing to fix too. :( Helios would be OP in combat if it had more. because people obviously fit guns on covops and the 1 light drone you can carry on a Helios does significant damage
hey now
do not disparage the noble BATTLE HELIOS
many a sabre pilot (okay, one that I know of) have fallen to its might |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:33:00 -
[120] - Quote
in conclusion, nerf the helios |
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:33:00 -
[121] - Quote
they are able to SNIPE for too much damage |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
376
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:38:00 -
[122] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Bubanni wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?).
We all understand that you used to be in Goonswarm, and so you do your best to help them along in the game without looking too much like t20 (its a bit late for that), but instead of nerfing titans, again, perhaps you'd like to show your old corpmates what a dreadnaught is.
They seem to want to skip that class of ships and expect everything to go OK, even though they've literally been told directly (and shown by their own actions after listening to that) that dreads are the savior to all their problems.
Instead of 1000 drakes (drakes suck, the only time they work is when you have 10x more than your enemy) they could field 500 dreads and you'd never hear a peep about titans.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2404
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:42:00 -
[123] - Quote
grath "an even worse poster than a finfleet dude" telkin everybody
lets give him a hand |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:42:00 -
[124] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Bubanni wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). We all understand that you used to be in Goonswarm, and so you do your best to help them along in the game without looking too much like t20 (its a bit late for that), but instead of nerfing titans, again, perhaps you'd like to show your old corpmates what a dreadnaught is. They seem to want to skip that class of ships and expect everything to go OK, even though they've literally been told directly (and shown by their own actions after listening to that) that dreads are the savior to all their problems. Instead of 1000 drakes (drakes suck, the only time they work is when you have 10x more than your enemy) they could field 500 dreads and you'd never hear a peep about titans. playing the metagame is easier
also dont you guys have someone on the csm too
why isn't he holding a hunger strike and holding a sign with a picture of an erebus wearing a sherlock holmes hat and carrying a magnifying glass investigating dictors and logistics ships |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:43:00 -
[125] - Quote
the erebus is tracking those ships you see |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:44:00 -
[126] - Quote
oh that was meant to be funny... gotcha
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2168
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:46:00 -
[127] - Quote
guys guys soundwave was in goonswarm 3 years ago HE IS HELPING THE GOONS "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Villandra Chassind
New Edens United Nation
11
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:51:00 -
[128] - Quote
nope |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
598
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:52:00 -
[129] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:We all understand that you used to be in Goonswarm, and so you do your best to help them along in the game without looking too much like t20 (its a bit late for that), but instead of nerfing titans, again, perhaps you'd like to show your old corpmates what a dreadnaught is.
They seem to want to skip that class of ships and expect everything to go OK, even though they've literally been told directly (and shown by their own actions after listening to that) that dreads are the savior to all their problems.
Instead of 1000 drakes (drakes suck, the only time they work is when you have 10x more than your enemy) they could field 500 dreads and you'd never hear a peep about titans. Yes, let's keep on heading down the path where wars are either fuckoff standoffs forever and ever because neither side wants to lose supercaps, or morale breaks because one side welps a significant amount of supercaps.
This was awesome the last 3 years, here's to 3 more years. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:56:00 -
[130] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:oh that was meant to be funny... gotcha
yes it was but I can see how it might have gone over some people's heads
so I provided a useful image so you could properly conceptualize of the many and sundry layers of hilarity
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/47651019/erebus_stalks_his_prey.png |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2405
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:56:00 -
[131] - Quote
lord zim you're making a critical posting mistake, acting as if grathposts are reasoned arguments instead of pounding the keyboard in a rage and running spellcheck until it looks like english |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:58:00 -
[132] - Quote
Promiscuous Female wrote:
the titan needs a monocle
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:59:00 -
[133] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote: the titan needs a monocle its hidden underneath the sherlock holmes hat |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
599
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Posted - 2012.02.24 01:05:00 -
[134] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:lord zim you're making a critical posting mistake, acting as if grathposts are reasoned arguments instead of pounding the keyboard in a rage and running spellcheck until it looks like english I'm trying out countering rageposting with sarcasmposting. |
Isabella Minerva
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 01:12:00 -
[135] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Bubanni wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?).
There goes soundwave letting his neckbeard do the talking.
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Vonce forthelulz
The Ankou Raiden.
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 01:54:00 -
[136] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:
...the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?).
No.
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Tore Vest
238
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Posted - 2012.02.24 02:05:00 -
[137] - Quote
Goon noobs want to sit still 70k from a titan in a drake... And be safe from beeing hit.... I can understand that... A real highsec carebear. |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
374
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Posted - 2012.02.24 02:11:00 -
[138] - Quote
ITT Butthurt Titan Pilots.
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.02.24 02:30:00 -
[139] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote: We all understand that you used to be in Goonswarm, and so you do your best to help them along in the game without looking too much like t20 (its a bit late for that), but instead of nerfing titans, again, perhaps you'd like to show your old corpmates what a dreadnaught is.
They seem to want to skip that class of ships and expect everything to go OK, even though they've literally been told directly (and shown by their own actions after listening to that) that dreads are the savior to all their problems.
Instead of 1000 drakes (drakes suck, the only time they work is when you have 10x more than your enemy) they could field 500 dreads and you'd never hear a peep about titans.
Maybe if you spent less time in a boblike policy of soaking up all the high skillpoint players you can lay your hands on to put them in titans, and more in developing the recruitment of new players into the game, you wouldn't be as vulnerable to re-balances of single classes of ships.
Which is more useful for the eve community as a whole .. recruiting 600 new players .. or bittervets in an invulnerable titan blob.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2169
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Posted - 2012.02.24 02:36:00 -
[140] - Quote
the raiden/ncdot/PL recruitment requirements are very stringent indeed
- supercapital - pulse "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1647
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Posted - 2012.02.24 02:50:00 -
[141] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:We all understand that you used to be in Goonswarm, and so you do your best to help them along in the game without looking too much like t20 (its a bit late for that), but instead of nerfing titans, again, perhaps you'd like to show your old corpmates what a dreadnaught is.
They seem to want to skip that class of ships and expect everything to go OK, even though they've literally been told directly (and shown by their own actions after listening to that) that dreads are the savior to all their problems.
Instead of 1000 drakes (drakes suck, the only time they work is when you have 10x more than your enemy) they could field 500 dreads and you'd never hear a peep about titans.
I was just waiting for Grath to show up. Epic whines incoming.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1647
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Posted - 2012.02.24 02:51:00 -
[142] - Quote
Andski wrote:the raiden/ncdot/PL recruitment requirements are very stringent indeed
- supercapital - pulse
the pulse is optional
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
378
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:21:00 -
[143] - Quote
Mynas Atoch wrote: Which is more useful for the eve community as a whole .. recruiting 600 new players .. or bittervets in an invulnerable titan blob.
Right, because the Titans are whats keeping new players from liking EVE.
Lord Zim wrote:
Edit: Oh, I forgot the part where one side gets steamrolled because they don't have supers.
One side has knives the other side has guns, sounds about right to me.
If you want to arm the common man with his own affordable gun that would allow you to compete with the 'bitter vet squad' its called a dread.
You know, the totally insurable platform tailor made to be a serious threat to titans in large numbers.
But please, keep pretending dreads don't exist. |
Zxmagus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:25:00 -
[144] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Mynas Atoch wrote: Which is more useful for the eve community as a whole .. recruiting 600 new players .. or bittervets in an invulnerable titan blob.
Right, because the Titans are whats keeping new players from liking EVE.
Put a spy in a new 0.0 alliance when you guys are putting tracking titans on a station for fun for hours and see how much they are enjoying the game. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
378
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:29:00 -
[145] - Quote
Zxmagus wrote:
Put a spy in a new 0.0 alliance when you guys are putting tracking titans on a station for fun for hours and see how much they are enjoying the game.
I seriously doubt that anything we did to an alliance full of new players would be enjoyable, whats your point?
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Magnifikus Erzverwirrer
Endstati0n Raiden.
4
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:47:00 -
[146] - Quote
Will you focus on balancing goons ratting bot army after that?
owait our logs show nothing....
and it looks like goons strategy of wiping masses of drakes to titans had success |
Temmu Guerra
Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
28
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:47:00 -
[147] - Quote
So why dont we just add spool up timers to cynos or something like that. The single titan isnt broken, its a blob of them. Therefore breaking up the blob = correcting the tracking titan. Come on now... |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
380
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:56:00 -
[148] - Quote
Stop posting, you're not helping. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1647
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:59:00 -
[149] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Stop posting, you're not helping.
Grath, if Titans finally get fixed and are no longer able to blap subcaps with impunity will you quit Eve?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
uchi heiku
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:13:00 -
[150] - Quote
To me it sound exactly like this is a showdown between team tech and goons.
You guys are the only ones doing the whining in this thread. Then maybe its not the ship class thats the problem but that one side is getting beaten silly by stuff the other side are using.
Best way to counter that is to nerf it. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1647
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:20:00 -
[151] - Quote
uchi heiku wrote:To me it sound exactly like this is a showdown between team tech and goons.
You guys are the only ones doing the whining in this thread. Then maybe its not the ship class thats the problem but that one side is getting beaten silly by stuff the other side are using.
Best way to counter that is to nerf it.
No, the problem is that Titan blobs are invincible. Once you hit a certain number of Titans they are completely safe from being destroyed.
Now Grath will start wailing about blobs of maelstroms but consider that it's not physically possible to cram enough maelstroms into a system to defeat a fleet of 50 Titans so Grath's argument is senseless.
Do you think that's fair that 50 players can become invincible just because they botted enough isk to buy the most expensive and most broken ship in the game?
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2411
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:24:00 -
[152] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Stop posting, you're not helping. doctor heal thyself |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:32:00 -
[153] - Quote
what i think the dread is missing is his two best friends...
1. is the Juggernaut which is a capital sized tackler/ewar it goes into 5 min siege mode and can use an infinity point and capital nuets/nos
2. tech II tier 3 bs's that use capital sized weapons 8 of them...
this would mean a tech II Hyperion would have about 3500 dps and 15k alpha plus not have to go into siege mode... |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
380
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:49:00 -
[154] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Now Grath will start wailing about blobs of maelstroms but consider that it's not physically possible to cram enough maelstroms into a system to defeat a fleet of 50 Titans so Grath's argument is senseless.
Hi, I don't know if you've heard but theres a ship class of ships between Titans and Maelstroms called Dreads, and you can most assuredly cram enough dreads into a system to kill 50 titans, but you're choosing to ignore that for the sake of your argument.
The game does not end at battleships, they are not the best weapon for fleet combat in game, there are other ships that are better than them and the CFC, needs to just man up and move past it.
Also, while you're madly posting your alliance is adding something silly like 10 titans a month, I mean, if they were really that bad, and in that dire need of a nerf and drastic change, I'm pretty sure your team wouldn't have cranked the funding for titans into high gear and left it there with the knob broken off.
I mean, if you're right, and Soundwave is right, your CSAA's will all close down after this cycle right?
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Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
34
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:54:00 -
[155] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:[quote=Ladie Harlot]Also, while you're madly posting your alliance is adding something silly like 10 titans a month, I mean, if they were really that bad, and in that dire need of a nerf and drastic change, I'm pretty sure your team wouldn't have cranked the funding for titans into high gear and left it there with the knob broken off.
I mean, if you're right, and Soundwave is right, your CSAA's will all close down after this cycle right?
I may be wrong, its difficult to get hands on experience with them with the entire Team Tech and half the titans in the game blue to each other and ten to fifteen minutes from any TIDi'd battle, but last time I checked Leviathans don't use tracking, and are pretty crap against subcaps.
All we are looking for is gun titans reduced to match levis.
Obviously completely removing all titans combat role and making them logistical tools and force multipliers would be perfect, but not expecting THAT any time soon. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1647
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:01:00 -
[156] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:
Now Grath will start wailing about blobs of maelstroms but consider that it's not physically possible to cram enough maelstroms into a system to defeat a fleet of 50 Titans so Grath's argument is senseless.
Hi, I don't know if you've heard but theres a ship class of ships between Titans and Maelstroms called Dreads, and you can most assuredly cram enough dreads into a system to kill 50 titans, but you're choosing to ignore that for the sake of your argument. The game does not end at battleships, they are not the best weapon for fleet combat in game, there are other ships that are better than them and the CFC, needs to just man up and move past it. Also, while you're madly posting your alliance is adding something silly like 10 titans a month, I mean, if they were really that bad, and in that dire need of a nerf and drastic change, I'm pretty sure your team wouldn't have cranked the funding for titans into high gear and left it there with the knob broken off. I mean, if you're right, and Soundwave is right, your CSAA's will all close down after this cycle right?
My alliance is literally begging people to fly titans because as the game stands right now they are a necessary evil. We can't compete with alliances who do nothing but blob titans. We have the manufacturing capacity to pump out probably four or five times the number of titans that we do so your "silly" number of 10 a month is hilarious. The problem for us, however, is that most of us don't want to fly them. They aren't fun ships to fly (and people who say they are only enjoy them being overpowered).
Your issue is that you can't justify 50 people being invincible so you'll rant and rave and bring up a billion different reasons why your big win button shouldn't be fixed (dreads lol) but all your reasons are crap. I get why you're angry...I look at the state of PL these days and I get it. Imagine how much better off you'd be if your alliance's entire reason for doing anything wasn't keeping and making more Titans.
Anyway this thread will get locked pretty soon when it starts getting too loony so I'll monitor your rage at the site which must not be named. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
49
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Posted - 2012.02.24 05:54:00 -
[157] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:But an alphafleet is fundamentally less of a problem than titanfleet No.
Quote:because it involves a lot more people in the fight and so even if it's just who has more maelstroms, that's a more fun game than who has more titans. It is exactly the same game. There is no difference between claiming to need n+1 Titans to counter n Titans, and claiming to need n+50 Alphamaels to counter n Alphamaels.
There are enough entities ingame right now that could wield considerable capital/supercapital fleets - if they were WILLING. Far more than can CTA 750 Battleships on short notice. It also makes no difference with regards to attracting new players out to zero-space (which should be one of CCPs primary goals imho - repopulate zero-space). For a new entity that wants to carve its name into the sovmap there is little difference between facing 50 Titans and facing 750 Battleships. Initially, it feels like getting hit by a bus either way.
And personally, I consider the 750 Battleships the harder problem of the two. The sovmap has already considerably consolidated since the dominion high, with many systems barely capable of creating the isk needed to pay that systems sovbills anymore since they weren't touched when the isk generation they were balanced against was adjusted. It will consolidate further, probably down to 1 powerblock that noone can match in numbers. At that point, Eve will collapse.
Quote:I would have no problem with CCP tweaking maels once titans are properly nerfed, but it's less of "must be done now" issue. It is a "must be done at the same time" issue. Otherwise you just painted the problem in a different colour. Google Technetium and Dysprosium if you need a reminder how that worked out.
Dealing with all this over various patches will significantly decrease the number of independent entities in zero-space. The current situation is broken at a lot of levels, but they somewhat even out (more or less). Adjusting these problems one at a time will create ridiculous powerspikes for the things still wating for fixing. |
Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
49
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:02:00 -
[158] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:The problem for us, however, is that most of us don't want to fly them. Yes, let's change the game so that what you consider fun always works out best.
A totally reasonable standpoint. Also one that would see half of the playerbase instantly banned since that is what all the miners and ganking vicitims want.
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
380
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:07:00 -
[159] - Quote
Mynas Atoch wrote: but last time I checked Leviathans don't use tracking, and are pretty crap against subcaps.
Why do I bet nobody is shocked that you're wrong.
Ladie Harlot wrote: Your issue is that you can't justify 50 people being invincible
No, my issue is that for the CFC, combat essentially stops at the battleship, thinking past that is beyond you and you want the rest of the game to conform to that.
Unfortunately, there are a whole ship class you're ignoring.
Also you've just bought the BPO's for producing 10 a month, don't kid yourself, but if your leaders thought all you had to do was hold out till June (its effectively impossible for anybody to take your space if you just time right) do you really think they would have just doubled down to buy enough BPO's to manufacture a trillion isk in Titans a month?
The answer is no.
Of course they know how incredibly wrong you all are.
Of course they realize that a tracking fit titan has the hit points of a dread, and all they'd need to do was fight ONE fight with half of your 4 full fleets of people in dreads and the Titan problem would be revealed as the myth that it is.
Unfortunately you have people like Mynas and Villy, who are notoriously risk averse and wouldn't allow things like that to go down because ~caps would be lost~ and mentally and strategically Villy and Mynas are both stuck in a game that moved on 4 years ago.
EDIT: What stops 50 titans? 250 dreads. Your last fleet saw just over 1100 ships employed, almost universally drakes. Maybe you shouldn't expect the cheapest gun clogging approach to win every fight, and instead bring 800 drakes and 250 dreads and see how the fight goes. |
Cyaron wars
D00M. Northern Coalition.
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:06:00 -
[160] - Quote
So if I get it right, CCP is planning to make titan nothing but 70bil space taxi?
I really donot understand all this whine about titans. that is most expensive ship in the game, why it should be useless and crappy?
Let's imagine that titans became useless and only thing to counter subcap blob is bigger blob. Only thing that we will get is a massive lag, crashing nodes. So welcome back to 2006?
Why there's nobody saying anything about Artillery - a weapion that can oneshot any damn ship on its falloff (normally you should be ding less damage on falloff)?
You say titan blob is invincible - Wrong. Any kind of offensive can be stoppped by onlining Cynojammer in system, while you have no deffence from 1500 ships jumping into system through gates. Right now turret titans are only sollution against massive subcap blob. basically we will get a game where only tactical advantage that will help you to win fight will be quantity. CCP, you guys are digging your own grave, if devs will stay on this track you will spend next 2-3 years just boosting nodes and upgrading hardware on servers to handle blobs. |
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
599
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:11:00 -
[161] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Lord Zim wrote:
Edit: Oh, I forgot the part where one side gets steamrolled because they don't have supers.
One side has knives the other side has guns, sounds about right to me. If you want to arm the common man with his own affordable gun that would allow you to compete with the 'bitter vet squad' its called a dread. You know, the totally insurable platform tailor made to be a serious threat to titans in large numbers. But please, keep pretending dreads don't exist. Good job in ignoring the majority of my post. Here, let me requote it for you:
Lord Zim wrote:Yes, let's keep on heading down the path where wars are either fuckoff standoffs forever and ever because neither side wants to lose supercaps, or morale breaks because one side welps a significant amount of supercaps.
This was awesome the last 3 years, here's to 3 more years.
Edit: Oh, I forgot the part where one side gets steamrolled because they don't have supers. One side has guns, one has knives. If the knives side takes out enough of those who have guns, the gun side stops fighting, because their morale breaks, and spend god knows how many years just buying them off the open market, because they won't have SOV to build them in themselves.
What an awesome state for the game to be in. This is definitely the state we want.
Mioelnir wrote:It is exactly the same game. There is no difference between claiming to need n+1 Titans to counter n Titans, and claiming to need n+50 Alphamaels to counter n Alphamaels. Bombers can **** up alphamaels. You'd know this if you weren't dumb as rocks. |
Doris Dents
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:11:00 -
[162] - Quote
Mioelnir wrote:Weaselior wrote:But an alphafleet is fundamentally less of a problem than titanfleet No. Quote:because it involves a lot more people in the fight and so even if it's just who has more maelstroms, that's a more fun game than who has more titans. It is exactly the same game. There is no difference between claiming to need n+1 Titans to counter n Titans, and claiming to need n+50 Alphamaels to counter n Alphamaels. There are enough entities ingame right now that could wield considerable capital/supercapital fleets - if they were WILLING. Far more than can CTA 750 Battleships on short notice. It also makes no difference with regards to attracting new players out to zero-space (which should be one of CCPs primary goals imho - repopulate zero-space). For a new entity that wants to carve its name into the sovmap there is little difference between facing 50 Titans and facing 750 Battleships. Initially, it feels like getting hit by a bus either way. And personally, I consider the 750 Battleships the harder problem of the two. The sovmap has already considerably consolidated since the dominion high, with many systems barely capable of creating the isk needed to pay that systems sovbills anymore since they weren't touched when the isk generation they were balanced against was adjusted. It will consolidate further, probably down to 1 powerblock that noone can match in numbers. At that point, Eve will collapse. Quote:I would have no problem with CCP tweaking maels once titans are properly nerfed, but it's less of "must be done now" issue. It is a "must be done at the same time" issue. Otherwise you just painted the problem in a different colour. Google Technetium and Dysprosium if you need a reminder how that worked out. Dealing with all this over various patches will significantly decrease the number of independent entities in zero-space. The current situation is broken at a lot of levels, but they somewhat even out (more or less). Adjusting these problems one at a time will create ridiculous powerspikes for the things still wating for fixing.
20 bombers are an excellent counter to an alphafleet of any size.
efb |
Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:38:00 -
[163] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Sweet Felicia wrote:Nerfing or changing titans is a major issue for the game I'm sure you meant to say that nerfing titans is a major fix for the game.
I wonder if you're as stupid as your looks...Don't answer., no need...
I just wanna know how many titan nerfs are needed so you can finally kill one with your OMFGLULZ Drake... |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1648
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 07:42:00 -
[164] - Quote
Acwron wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Sweet Felicia wrote:Nerfing or changing titans is a major issue for the game I'm sure you meant to say that nerfing titans is a major fix for the game. I wonder if you're as stupid as your looks...Don't answer., no need... I just wanna know how many titan nerfs are needed so you can finally kill one with your OMFGLULZ Drake...
As many nerfs as it takes to remove invincibility. This is not a complicated concept...nobody should be invincible in Eve.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
463
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:49:00 -
[165] - Quote
Cheap Alpha vs. Expensive Tracking
Round 1.... FIGHT!
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
599
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Posted - 2012.02.24 08:22:00 -
[166] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Cheap Alpha vs. Expensive Tracking
Round 1.... FIGHT! You mean round 100. This is a reoccurring theme on the site which apparently must not be named lest we hack the entire world. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3050
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Posted - 2012.02.24 08:51:00 -
[167] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Malcanis wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Bubanni wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). Let the games begin hey malcanis care to comment on your participation issues?
Sure. Somethings wrong with the network I'm on at home and I've been too lazy/on holiday/playing Civ 5 to fix it.
Now let's talk about your capitalisation and punctuation. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Laak Pollard
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 09:22:00 -
[168] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Bubanni wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:This whole having babies thing is awful. It gives people time off who should by all rights be strapped to their desks, making spaceship changes. I've suggested that people simply get dogs and cats instead of babies, but for some reason CCP refuses to implement this as a corporate rule.
Babies are bad, BAD. That is why more than 1 guy should be balancing the ships, not that Tallest isn't awesome :D We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?).
So ~100bil mobile jump bridges then? Is your desire to remove the endgame from EVE completely? Or is just that you want all of nullsec to belong to the single mega-coalition who can throw most of warm bodies on the field?
Maybe instead of nerffing everything you should actually develop a credible counter to the Titans? |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
599
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 09:27:00 -
[169] - Quote
Laak Pollard wrote:So ~100bil mobile jump bridges then? Is your desire to remove the endgame from EVE completely? Or is just that you want all of nullsec to belong to the single mega-coalition who can throw most of warm bodies on the field?
Maybe instead of nerffing everything you should actually develop a credible counter to the Titans? And by "end-game" you mean "a ship that's so expensive to lose/time-consuming to replace, that if there's a reasonable chance they may be lost, they won't be fielded"?
You're thinking of "end-game" all wrong. End-game shouldn't be "ooh shiny ship", end-game should be "I am now a part of a space empire I fought hard to get, and have to keep fighting to keep". The latter part is missing, and the former is way too hard, locking way too many people out of "eve end-game", or forcing them to join blocs and blob up. |
Zxmagus
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 09:30:00 -
[170] - Quote
wrote:So ~100bil mobile jump bridges then? Is your desire to remove the endgame from EVE completely? Or is just that you want all of nullsec to belong to the single mega-coalition who can throw most of warm bodies on the field?
Maybe instead of nerffing everything you should actually develop a credible counter to the Titans?
The Term "end game" is stupid for eve or any game that is open ended and not focused on developer released PVE content. |
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Magnifikus Erzverwirrer
Endstati0n Raiden.
4
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:01:00 -
[171] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Laak Pollard wrote:So ~100bil mobi le jump bridges then? Is your desire to remove the endgame from EVE completely? Or is just that you want all of nullsec to belong to the single mega-coalition who can throw most of warm bodies on the field?
Maybe instead of nerffing everything you should actually develop a credible counter to the Titans? And by "end-game" you mean "a ship that's so expensive to lose/time-consuming to replace, that if there's a reasonable chance they may be lost, they won't be fielded"? You're thinking of "end-game" all wrong. End-game shouldn't be "ooh shiny ship", end-game should be "I am now a part of a space empire I fought hard to get, and have to keep fighting to keep". The latter part is missing, and the former is way too hard, locking way too many people out of "eve end-game", or forcing them to join blocs and blob up.
It's not our problem that your tech uses "other" channels than being ready for capital reimbursement.
And endgame with drakeblobs, I think a majority of players will just quit.... |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
599
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 10:05:00 -
[172] - Quote
Magnifikus Erzverwirrer wrote:It's not our problem that your tech uses "other" channels than being ready for capital reimbursement.
And endgame with drakeblobs, I think a majority of players will just quit.... You're either just not getting what I'm getting at, or you're being deliberately obtuse. Which is it? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2184
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 10:09:00 -
[173] - Quote
Acwron wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Sweet Felicia wrote:Nerfing or changing titans is a major issue for the game I'm sure you meant to say that nerfing titans is a major fix for the game. I wonder if you're as stupid as your looks...Don't answer., no need... I just wanna know how many titan nerfs are needed so you can finally kill one with your OMFGLULZ Drake...
hi are you still mad about getting scammed out of a nyx?
j/w "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:15:00 -
[174] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Acwron wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Sweet Felicia wrote:Nerfing or changing titans is a major issue for the game I'm sure you meant to say that nerfing titans is a major fix for the game. I wonder if you're as stupid as your looks...Don't answer., no need... I just wanna know how many titan nerfs are needed so you can finally kill one with your OMFGLULZ Drake... As many nerfs as it takes to remove invincibility. This is not a complicated concept...nobody should be invincible in Eve.
Titans are not invincible, check killboard time to time. On the contrary, a 30 mil dictor can hold a 100 bill ( hull ) titan + other many bill fit and mock him forever.
30 mil >100+ bill. Sounds fair, right? No more AOE DD, no more sub cap DD, no more drones, EHP reduced. WTF is wrong with you? Are you out of your FREAKING MIND ?
Cut the tracking ??? Again WTF is wrong with you ??? All those skills, years of training wasted cos you whine like a FREAKING baby? Move on hun, get a better ship and fight the titan !
Boost the Titans and Supercaps ! Supercarriers should CARRY lots of SHIPS cos that's why they are called Carriers ! With pilots onboard ! Drop them on the battlefield and spill the enemy blood all over the place ! |
Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:17:00 -
[175] - Quote
Andski wrote:Acwron wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Sweet Felicia wrote:Nerfing or changing titans is a major issue for the game I'm sure you meant to say that nerfing titans is a major fix for the game. I wonder if you're as stupid as your looks...Don't answer., no need... I just wanna know how many titan nerfs are needed so you can finally kill one with your OMFGLULZ Drake... hi are you still mad about getting scammed out of a nyx? j/w
Not mad, broke ! I'm running missions in high sec !
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
599
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:20:00 -
[176] - Quote
Acwron wrote:30 mil >100+ bill. Sounds fair, right? No more AOE DD, no more sub cap DD, no more drones, EHP reduced. WTF is wrong with you? Are you out of your FREAKING MIND ?
Cut the tracking ??? Again WTF is wrong with you ??? All those skills, years of training wasted cos you whine like a FREAKING baby? Move on hun, get a better ship and fight the titan !
Boost the Titans and Supercaps ! Supercarriers should CARRY lots of SHIPS cos that's why they are called Carriers ! With pilots onboard ! Drop them on the battlefield and spill the enemy blood all over the place ! Yes, let's boost titans and supercarriers so they'll be even more numerous and still never be used when there's >1% chance you may lose them because the loss hurts so much. That'll certainly make wars more fun and last longer. |
M Blanc
The Ironmongery
8
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Posted - 2012.02.24 11:30:00 -
[177] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). What do you think are the likely short- and medium-term consequences for sov warfare of severely restricting or eliminating the ability of XL guns to hit subcaps? |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
599
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 11:56:00 -
[178] - Quote
M Blanc wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). What do you think are the likely short- and medium-term consequences for sov warfare of severely restricting or eliminating the ability of XL guns to hit subcaps? Likely, very little. There are still no actual need for strategies beyond "form up blob, smash through system x, smash through system y, break morale of opposing force, grind through remaining systems in region". |
The Sardukar
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 11:59:00 -
[179] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:M Blanc wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). What do you think are the likely short- and medium-term consequences for sov warfare of severely restricting or eliminating the ability of XL guns to hit subcaps? Likely, very little. There are still no actual need for strategies beyond "form up blob, smash through system x, smash through system y, break morale of opposing force, grind through remaining systems in region".
Yes. Lets pretend this doesnt suit the CFC like hand in glove. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2190
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:09:00 -
[180] - Quote
The Sardukar wrote:Lord Zim wrote:M Blanc wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). What do you think are the likely short- and medium-term consequences for sov warfare of severely restricting or eliminating the ability of XL guns to hit subcaps? Likely, very little. There are still no actual need for strategies beyond "form up blob, smash through system x, smash through system y, break morale of opposing force, grind through remaining systems in region". Yes. Lets pretend this doesnt suit the CFC like hand in glove.
Awagon also stands to benefit. I'm sorry that your titan is now only capable of catapulting fleets, giving massive HP and capacitor bonuses, applying 3 million damage to any capital sized target and dealing massive turret DPS against battleships, capitals and structures. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
599
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:15:00 -
[181] - Quote
The Sardukar wrote:Lord Zim wrote:M Blanc wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). What do you think are the likely short- and medium-term consequences for sov warfare of severely restricting or eliminating the ability of XL guns to hit subcaps? Likely, very little. There are still no actual need for strategies beyond "form up blob, smash through system x, smash through system y, break morale of opposing force, grind through remaining systems in region". Yes. Lets pretend this doesnt suit the CFC like hand in glove. I'm going to just assume you haven't read any of my other posts on the subject of SOV, then, so I'll reiterate.
The proper solution to the suckfest that is 0.0 warfare right now, is to make it easier to lose and gain a system, so that it's hard, effort-wise, to keep a large expanse of space under your control. If it's done right, both sides in any given war will also be able to have a certain amount of wins during any given day, thus improving morale and making wars actually last longer. Today's system is basically requiring blobs of ever increasing nature to form up and duke it out, if you don't you'll either never make any headway or you'll never defend the system (but the main challenge is on the invader's side).
Fix this design flaw, and this whole problem of "oh god titans" would be less, since it'd be easier to have a multiple system front, and you could potentially outfeint titan-heavy blobs, and smaller entities could actually have a chance in hell of carving out a part of 0.0 for themselves without having to have a bajillion titans/supers/dreads. This would lead to more, smaller, skirmishes, which would lead to less emphasis on a few FCs leading trillions of isk worth of equipment, which would mean that any given side would have more resilience through lighter losses, less risk of main FC burnout, and less morale burnout, which should in turn lead to less 2 weeks of war, 2 months of grind and more tons of small skirmishes. And the people in said fleets would have more of a reason to actually get to know the guys they're flying with, instead of everyone just being some ascii-****-spamming mouthbreathing fat **** trying to out-spam the next fat ****.
The fact that maggots with titans are now whining like utter babbies, however, is a pretty nice addition, I'll admit. |
The Sardukar
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:24:00 -
[182] - Quote
Andski wrote:The Sardukar wrote:Lord Zim wrote:M Blanc wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). What do you think are the likely short- and medium-term consequences for sov warfare of severely restricting or eliminating the ability of XL guns to hit subcaps? Likely, very little. There are still no actual need for strategies beyond "form up blob, smash through system x, smash through system y, break morale of opposing force, grind through remaining systems in region". Yes. Lets pretend this doesnt suit the CFC like hand in glove. Awagon also stands to benefit. I'm sorry that your titan is now only capable of catapulting fleets, giving massive HP and capacitor bonuses, applying 3 million damage to any capital sized target and dealing massive turret DPS against battleships, capitals and structures.
I'm confused. Are you talking abouth titans post nerf here? because it seems to be that those attributes are the current ones. |
Tore Vest
238
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:37:00 -
[183] - Quote
For me... It looks like CCP has picked side in nullsec warfare... Nerfing team tec favorite ships... Bf3 anyone ? A real highsec carebear. |
Doris Dents
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:11:00 -
[184] - Quote
Tore Vest wrote:For me... It looks like CCP has picked side in nullsec warfare... Nerfing team tec favorite ships... Bf3 anyone ? The side of dynamic and challenging fun for everyone with an achievable barrier to entry for newer players vs old money effortlessly pwning everything forever with their iwin ships. Oh the horror. |
Tore Vest
243
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:26:00 -
[185] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote: The side of dynamic and challenging fun for goons with an achievable barrier to entry for newer goons vs old money effortlessly pwning everything forever with their iwin ships. Oh the horror.
fixed A real highsec carebear. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
600
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:30:00 -
[186] - Quote
Tore Vest wrote:Doris Dents wrote: The side of dynamic and challenging fun for goons with an achievable barrier to entry for newer goons vs old money effortlessly pwning everything forever with their iwin ships. Oh the horror.
fixed I realize you hate goons from how we bitchslapped you out of BNC, but that doesn't mean everything has to revolve around us. |
Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:34:00 -
[187] - Quote
Andski wrote:The Sardukar wrote:Lord Zim wrote:M Blanc wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:We actually have three people dedicated to it now, the other two are just working on other areas (titan tracking, anyone?). What do you think are the likely short- and medium-term consequences for sov warfare of severely restricting or eliminating the ability of XL guns to hit subcaps? Likely, very little. There are still no actual need for strategies beyond "form up blob, smash through system x, smash through system y, break morale of opposing force, grind through remaining systems in region". Yes. Lets pretend this doesnt suit the CFC like hand in glove. Awagon also stands to benefit. I'm sorry that your titan is now only capable of catapulting fleets, giving massive HP and capacitor bonuses, applying 3 million damage to any capital sized target and dealing massive turret DPS against battleships, capitals and structures.
So many benefits....maybe...just maybe...COS IT'S THE BIGGEST, MOST EXPENSIVE, HIGH END SHIP IN THE GAME ??? You made me puke a little...
Mittani sheep are following him...Be proud to follow a scum...they say ppl act in game as they do in real life...Eve is REAL ! |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
600
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:39:00 -
[188] - Quote
Acwron wrote:So many benefits....maybe...just maybe...COS IT'S THE BIGGEST, MOST EXPENSIVE, HIGH END SHIP IN THE GAME ??? You made me puke a little...
Mittani sheep are following him...Be proud to follow a scum...they say ppl act in game as they do in real life...Eve is REAL ! "I should be able to own everyone because I paid more"? |
Acwron
Meet The Fockers Vera Cruz Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:47:00 -
[189] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Acwron wrote:So many benefits....maybe...just maybe...COS IT'S THE BIGGEST, MOST EXPENSIVE, HIGH END SHIP IN THE GAME ??? You made me puke a little...
Mittani sheep are following him...Be proud to follow a scum...they say ppl act in game as they do in real life...Eve is REAL ! "I should be able to own everyone because I paid more"?
YES. Ask Mitanni. He robbed BoB and now he holds 6.000 sheep ^^ |
Tore Vest
244
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:47:00 -
[190] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote: I realize you hate goons from how we bitchslapped you out of BNC, but that doesn't mean everything has to revolve around us.
Ofc you want everything to evolve around you.... But... You do not want to do it yourself.... You want to sit on your fat asses and let CCP do the work for you.. Forum warfare is easyer than the ingame stuff isnt it ?
A real highsec carebear. |
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The Sardukar
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:56:00 -
[191] - Quote
The Sardukar wrote:Andski wrote: Awagon also stands to benefit. I'm sorry that your titan is now only capable of catapulting fleets, giving massive HP and capacitor bonuses, applying 3 million damage to any capital sized target and dealing massive turret DPS against battleships, capitals and structures.
I'm confused. Are you talking abouth titans post nerf here? because it seems to me that those attributes are the current ones.
Still curious about this. Anyone care to elaborate? |
Doris Dents
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:27:00 -
[192] - Quote
Acwron wrote: So many benefits....maybe...just maybe...COS IT'S THE BIGGEST, MOST EXPENSIVE, HIGH END SHIP IN THE GAME ??? You made me puke a little...
Mittani sheep are following him...Be proud to follow a scum...they say ppl act in game as they do in real life...Eve is REAL !
People made the exact same argument in favour of AOE DD. Isk should not remove risk. |
hoggar
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:10:00 -
[193] - Quote
Acwron wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Acwron wrote:So many benefits....maybe...just maybe...COS IT'S THE BIGGEST, MOST EXPENSIVE, HIGH END SHIP IN THE GAME ??? You made me puke a little...
Mittani sheep are following him...Be proud to follow a scum...they say ppl act in game as they do in real life...Eve is REAL ! "I should be able to own everyone because I paid more"? YES. Ask Mitanni. He robbed BoB and now he holds 6.000 sheep ^^
Says guy who only uses Titans just to rat. Go back to wow noob
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E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
215
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Posted - 2012.02.24 16:00:00 -
[194] - Quote
after having a guardian blown up by a titan I suport this message.
Need more-ádecent content a casual player can access in a 1-2h play period that is actually fun and contributes to long term personal and corp goals. This applies to PvE and PvP. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.02.24 16:12:00 -
[195] - Quote
E man Industries wrote:after having a guardian blown up by a titan I suport this message. Detective Erebus strikes again |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.02.24 16:29:00 -
[196] - Quote
anyways the fix for this is pretty simple and requires 2 database changes
assuming you want to do the following: reduce the ability for titans to track subcapital ships without making dreads even worse than they already are
right now XL guns have a signature resolution of 1000
this is contrary to how other guns work -- medium guns have a sigres of 125 and the average signature radius of a cruiser is 125, large guns have a sigres of 425 and the average sigrad of a battleship is 425 or 400 I forget
XL guns are 1000 and the average sigrad of a capital ship is 2500 <---- :frogsiren: discrepancy detected :frogsiren:
bump the sigres of XL guns to 2000 and things are brought back into normalcy
"but what about dreads, won't this make them unable to track carriers"
normally yes, this is due to the -100% to tracking inflicted upon dreadnoughts by going into siege
but due to the way tracking works, if you remove the tracking penalty and make XL guns have 2000 sigres the net effect for sieging dreads is basically a wash, assuming you don't care that dreads out of siege have half the normal tracking
with 2000 sigres titans can still blap MWDing maelstroms (who have a sigrad of ~2500) but a competent FC would be able to ameliorate the blapping by cutting MWDs which would make the maelblob more vulnerable to bombing etc
honestly I bet the current sigres of XL guns was a mistake, fat fingered in by some junior DBA, mistakes happen |
Ra Death
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 16:38:00 -
[197] - Quote
You know what annoys me about this whole debate? The complete lack of understanding for game mechanics that the titan nerfers call out.
Currently the most popular doctrin for goons is Maelstroms fitted with 1200mm artillery guns, fit with shield buffers, engaging at a comparative short range. It's pretty much a cookie cutter setup. These fleets are supported by massive amounts of drakes, also fit with shield buffers, both supported by an insane amount of scimitars and random recons and command ships for bonuses. Scorpions are generally thrown in to provide some EWAR support. Bombers have also been introduced in the last few weeks.
So you have battleships with a large sig, fitting shield extenders (increasing their sig even further), using long-range guns but engaging at short range (because it makes no difference and it's much more versatile due to webbing/painting huginns and alpha). You have them supported by battlecruisers (fairly big in size), also fit with shield extenders that increase their sig used in the hundreds.
How is it unfair that titans, when they sacrifice around 15 million EHP to be able to track (if not more), can hit these battleships? I don't think it's unfair at all. It's lazy on the part of the subcap fleets because they want to be able to follow 2 fleet doctrins and steamroll over everything else.
Let's look at PL and in extention -A- and Gypsy band + SOLAR. They use many different doctrins that are all used to counter other doctrins that the enemies bring. Most -A-/Gypsy use tengus these days for fleets and SOLAR have an AHAC and Maelstrom fleet running. These are strong setups that all complement each other. When PL were stupid enough the other day and lose two supercaps, what happened in this fight? They sat for around an hour while being held down by Tengus, not because they were bubbled, but because they had to stay to not leave anyone behind. -A- and friends managed to kill 2 supercarriers and a carrier while making the PL titans only able to kill a few ships (I'm guessing they were caught at 0 transversal or not moving at all). PL had no support fleet. My point is this: the smart fielding of proper ships basically kept the PL super fleet sitting with thumbs up their asses because they couldn't hit ****. PL could have jumped out at any point in the fight, sure... but they would have risked leaving a super or two behind to get destroyed because... there is always some idiot not jumping.
If you stop resorting to cookie cutter setups that you use in EVERY SINGLE SCENARIO and instead expand your playbook, titans are no longer a problem. Kill the titans' support fleet and you can bring in your own capitals to finish off the supercap fleet. Yes, it will cost you supers as well... that's how the game works.
Titans work well right now because everyone and their mother fits their Maelstroms with shield extenders and decides to go in close range. Crazy idea... try going in at long range and adapting instead of whining about how things aren't working out for you. Titans lose their effectiveness at around 150km and they won't go off field in large lag situations because there is always someone who isn't aligned or isn't jumping and you lose a supercap that way.
-A- are doing it right, they are adapting and learning. Gypsy are doing it right, they are adapting and beating PL in their own game. SOLAR are working because they field fleet combos that work well together and aren't basically the same setup only with missiles on one side and guns on the other. PL are adapting and learning, pushing out new fleet doctrins on a regular basis Goons AREN'T adapting and are screaming murder because of it. Goons are following the same plan they've done for the last year and when people pay 100 billion isk for a ship that can hit their closerange battleships, they scream that it's overpowered. Give me a break...
If you don't want to get tracked by titans, try not fielding battleships fit with shield extenders that increase your sig while going in at short range. Titans are fine with the current state of EVE, a hotfix would only make fleet fights even more unbalanced, it's the whole game that needs a rebalancing and a refocus. Bombers are a good solution to a lot of problems, but they get blapped easily and after the 3rd run, you lose your critical bomb mass to pop fleets with a bomb volley. We need a lot of things to change to fix the problems EVE has, not just a tracking nerf. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
600
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Posted - 2012.02.24 16:42:00 -
[198] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:We need a lot of things to change to fix the problems EVE has, not just a tracking nerf. Such as a complete overhaul of how SOV warfare is held today. |
baltec1
694
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Posted - 2012.02.24 16:49:00 -
[199] - Quote
Just to point out, armour blackbirds and destroyer hulls are also getting shot out of the sky by titan guns whether they MWD or not. It matters very little what subcap you bring to a titan fight or how you fit it because either the titans will crush you or you are in a frigate and the subcaps will crush you. |
1Of9
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
7
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Posted - 2012.02.24 16:58:00 -
[200] - Quote
The mitanus troops are in force in here, clearly this is just something else CCP is doing to help them.
Goons where NEVER a clear bunch, they always used threadnaughs like this to bend ccp to they will, and now with mitanus on the CSM chair, things do NOT look any better.
CCP: Plz look beyond the goons post, the "funny" they use to post with, because that is theyr main weapon "look guys, we'r chill, we'r cool, and we want this s*** nerfed!"
Use your brains for once, and look how crap titans can track. A titan to be able to track *something* needs to cut resists down to a single damage controller, using only tracking enhancers and tracking computers.
I consider that fair, because that "brick wall" is not just a "glass cannon".
Any blaping titan pilot knows that 1 single hostile Scarrier or a incoming DDD would be extremely extremely dangerous to him.
But God forbid goons from ever fitting a brain in those empty skulls, and actually fit something a little bit bigger than drakes and actually attack titans.
But instead, they just fall-back to the mechanics that works over and over: threadnaughs, pressure from mitanus in the csm and alot of cry in here.
Will be funny to see ccp backpedaling when they lost another massive chunk of subscribers, because dont kid yourself, each titan have a pilot, each pilot have multiple alts (usually 4 or more).
do the math.
GJ goons, another victory for the threadnaugh scheme, and another blow to the general game you hate so much.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
600
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:04:00 -
[201] - Quote
So what 1of9 is trying to say is that the way things are today is just fine, with wars that are fun, challenging and last more than 2 weeks, and certainly doesn't break down into grinding structures for 2 months afterwards.
I guess we'll just carry on, then. Nothing to change here at all. |
Doris Dents
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:06:00 -
[202] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:So what 1of9 is trying to say is that the way things are today is just fine, with wars that are fun, challenging and last more than 2 weeks, and certainly doesn't break down into grinding structures for 2 months afterwards.
I guess we'll just carry on, then. Nothing to change here at all. To be fair it's pretty fun for the 50 or so guys that decide a battle involving thousands before a shot is even fired |
conqueror2006
Eternal Silence Ltd.
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:21:00 -
[203] - Quote
CCP need to see all players as players and not some more than others.
WE that ARE NOT GOONS PAY ALSO THE BILLS ALL MONTH
So all the NERFS NEED TO BE THINK, and not only to make some desires of SOME KIDS.
CCP is MORE THEN TIME TO, RESPECT ALL THE PLAYERS.
EVERY DAY, CCP IS IN RISK TO HAVE LESS PLAYERS, SPECIAL THE OLD ONES THAT HAVE A LOT OF ACCOUNTS.
OPEN YOUR EYES CCP and use your brain.
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The reclaiming
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:25:00 -
[204] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote:Lord Zim wrote:So what 1of9 is trying to say is that the way things are today is just fine, with wars that are fun, challenging and last more than 2 weeks, and certainly doesn't break down into grinding structures for 2 months afterwards.
I guess we'll just carry on, then. Nothing to change here at all. To be fair it's pretty fun for the 50 or so guys that decide a battle involving thousands before a shot is even fired
By 50 I think you mean the one or two FCs who can't adapt and call the same fleet type, again. |
Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:27:00 -
[205] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:You know what annoys me about this whole debate? The complete lack of understanding for game mechanics that the titan nerfers call out.
Currently the most popular doctrin for goons is Maelstroms fitted with 1200mm artillery guns, fit with shield buffers, engaging at a comparative short range. It's pretty much a cookie cutter setup. These fleets are supported by massive amounts of drakes, also fit with shield buffers, both supported by an insane amount of scimitars and random recons and command ships for bonuses. Scorpions are generally thrown in to provide some EWAR support. Bombers have also been introduced in the last few weeks.
So you have battleships with a large sig, fitting shield extenders (increasing their sig even further), using long-range guns but engaging at short range (because it makes no difference and it's much more versatile due to webbing/painting huginns and alpha). You have them supported by battlecruisers (fairly big in size), also fit with shield extenders that increase their sig used in the hundreds.
How is it unfair that titans, when they sacrifice around 15 million EHP to be able to track (if not more), can hit these battleships? I don't think it's unfair at all. It's lazy on the part of the subcap fleets because they want to be able to follow 2 fleet doctrins and steamroll over everything else.
Let's look at PL and in extention -A- and Gypsy band + SOLAR. They use many different doctrins that are all used to counter other doctrins that the enemies bring. Most -A-/Gypsy use tengus these days for fleets and SOLAR have an AHAC and Maelstrom fleet running. These are strong setups that all complement each other. When PL were stupid enough the other day and lose two supercaps, what happened in this fight? They sat for around an hour while being held down by Tengus, not because they were bubbled, but because they had to stay to not leave anyone behind. -A- and friends managed to kill 2 supercarriers and a carrier while making the PL titans only able to kill a few ships (I'm guessing they were caught at 0 transversal or not moving at all). PL had no support fleet. My point is this: the smart fielding of proper ships basically kept the PL super fleet sitting with thumbs up their asses because they couldn't hit ****. PL could have jumped out at any point in the fight, sure... but they would have risked leaving a super or two behind to get destroyed because... there is always some idiot not jumping.
If you stop resorting to cookie cutter setups that you use in EVERY SINGLE SCENARIO and instead expand your playbook, titans are no longer a problem. Kill the titans' support fleet and you can bring in your own capitals to finish off the supercap fleet. Yes, it will cost you supers as well... that's how the game works.
Titans work well right now because everyone and their mother fits their Maelstroms with shield extenders and decides to go in close range. Crazy idea... try going in at long range and adapting instead of whining about how things aren't working out for you. Titans lose their effectiveness at around 150km and they won't go off field in large lag situations because there is always someone who isn't aligned or isn't jumping and you lose a supercap that way.
-A- are doing it right, they are adapting and learning. Gypsy are doing it right, they are adapting and beating PL in their own game. SOLAR are working because they field fleet combos that work well together and aren't basically the same setup only with missiles on one side and guns on the other. PL are adapting and learning, pushing out new fleet doctrins on a regular basis Goons AREN'T adapting and are screaming murder because of it. Goons are following the same plan they've done for the last year and when people pay 100 billion isk for a ship that can hit their closerange battleships, they scream that it's overpowered. Give me a break...
If you don't want to get tracked by titans, try not fielding battleships fit with shield extenders that increase your sig while going in at short range. Titans are fine with the current state of EVE, a hotfix would only make fleet fights even more unbalanced, it's the whole game that needs a rebalancing and a refocus. Bombers are a good solution to a lot of problems, but they get blapped easily and after the 3rd run, you lose your critical bomb mass to pop fleets with a bomb volley. We need a lot of things to change to fix the problems EVE has, not just a tracking nerf.
The problem here is that all of the things you call out here as problems with the way that Goons field their fleets are commonly referred to as "TACTICS". The all titans all the time doctrine isn't even used to fight with. It is only used to STOP fights. Typically when your side is loosing.
If you want a ship that is immune from all EWAR, then you should not be able to fit any modules that affect those properties. Tracking, sensors, etc.
I see you babbling about -A- adapting and all. Do you have any references that actually show PL dropping 30, 60, 100+ titans on the field and -A- winning the battle?
It's not about the money spent in game. Goons come to the fight with thousands of real players. The "titan heavy" alliances come to the fight with two or three epic multi-boxers. Now which one of these gaming styles to you think provide more real world subscriptions to support our game? We already know which style provides the most fun for the players.
If you want a real visual reference to the "titan heavy" gamers, please view the Southpark episode "Make Love, not Warcraft" Season 10 Episode 8. I think you can find it on southpark studios website. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:27:00 -
[206] - Quote
1Of9 wrote:The mitanus troops are in force in here, clearly this is just something else CCP is doing to help them.
Goons where NEVER a clear bunch, they always used threadnaughs like this to bend ccp to they will, and now with mitanus on the CSM chair, things do NOT look any better.
CCP: Plz look beyond the goons post, the "funny" they use to post with, because that is theyr main weapon "look guys, we'r chill, we'r cool, and we want this s*** nerfed!"
Use your brains for once, and look how crap titans can track. A titan to be able to track *something* needs to cut resists down to a single damage controller, using only tracking enhancers and tracking computers.
I consider that fair, because that "brick wall" is not just a "glass cannon".
Any blaping titan pilot knows that 1 single hostile Scarrier or a incoming DDD would be extremely extremely dangerous to him.
But God forbid goons from ever fitting a brain in those empty skulls, and actually fit something a little bit bigger than drakes and actually attack titans.
But instead, they just fall-back to the mechanics that works over and over: threadnaughs, pressure from mitanus in the csm and alot of cry in here.
Will be funny to see ccp backpedaling when they lost another massive chunk of subscribers, because dont kid yourself, each titan have a pilot, each pilot have multiple alts (usually 4 or more).
do the math.
GJ goons, another victory for the threadnaugh scheme, and another blow to the general game you hate so much.
holy ****
grath you need to hook your guys up with your spell checker |
baltec1
694
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:29:00 -
[207] - Quote
conqueror2006 wrote:CCP need to see all players as players and not some more than others.
WE that ARE NOT GOONS PAY ALSO THE BILLS ALL MONTH
So all the NERFS NEED TO BE THINK, and not only to make some desires of SOME KIDS.
CCP is MORE THEN TIME TO, RESPECT ALL THE PLAYERS.
EVERY DAY, CCP IS IN RISK TO HAVE LESS PLAYERS, SPECIAL THE OLD ONES THAT HAVE A LOT OF ACCOUNTS.
OPEN YOUR EYES CCP and use your brain.
So I take it you agree that the 300 or so people that have a titan should not wipe out the other tens of thousands then. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:33:00 -
[208] - Quote
conqueror2006 wrote:CCP need to see all players as players and not some more than others.
WE that ARE NOT GOONS PAY ALSO THE BILLS ALL MONTH
So all the NERFS NEED TO BE THINK, and not only to make some desires of SOME KIDS.
CCP is MORE THEN TIME TO, RESPECT ALL THE PLAYERS.
EVERY DAY, CCP IS IN RISK TO HAVE LESS PLAYERS, SPECIAL THE OLD ONES THAT HAVE A LOT OF ACCOUNTS.
OPEN YOUR EYES CCP and use your brain.
fyi
"voting with my wallet" is not a valid argument
two reasons
one, no one is actually gonna quit, mmos are too addicting
B, assuming that action or inaction will cause people to somehow quit, the people who want titan tracking nerfed way the hell outnumber the people who don't, so if ccp was stupid enough to actually believe this argument they would nerf titan tracking tomorrow to prevent the much larger number of subscriptions from voting with their wallets over the much, much fewer that do |
conqueror2006
Eternal Silence Ltd.
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:35:00 -
[209] - Quote
" Goons come to the fight with thousands of real players. The "titan heavy" "
I finally found how can GOONS have so many drakes -> They had reprocess all the titans that they had.
Don-¦t joke with me!!!!! .... You have SCARE TO USE THEN, because you without numbers, without alts, YOU ARE NOTHING.
That-¦s your problem.
You need CCP help to win something, like you had make to Isotopes, some post explaining how to gang in high-sec, etc...
THIS IS A FAIR GAME, OF COURSE NOT. Learn how to play a game, without **** and without no internal intel.
When that day arrive, I will have respect with your comments
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:37:00 -
[210] - Quote
conqueror2006 wrote:" Goons come to the fight with thousands of real players. The "titan heavy" "I finally found how can GOONS have so many drakes -> They had reprocess all the titans that they had. Don-¦t joke with me!!!!! .... You have SCARE TO USE THEN, because you without numbers, without alts, YOU ARE NOTHING. That-¦s your problem. You need CCP help to win something, like you had make to Isotopes, some post explaining how to gang in high-sec, etc... THIS IS A FAIR GAME, OF COURSE NOT. Learn how to play a game, without **** and without no internal intel. When that day arrive, I will have respect with your comments can someone translate this neaderthrashing |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2422
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:41:00 -
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conqueror2006 wrote: You need CCP help to win something, like you had make to Isotopes, some post explaining how to gang in high-sec, etc...
whatnow |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2422
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:42:00 -
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are you accusing us of using ccp internal info to come up with the ice interdiction |
Ra Death
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:43:00 -
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Nao Oikawasan wrote:
The problem here is that all of the things you call out here as problems with the way that Goons field their fleets are commonly referred to as "TACTICS". The all titans all the time doctrine isn't even used to fight with. It is only used to STOP fights. Typically when your side is loosing.
If you want a ship that is immune from all EWAR, then you should not be able to fit any modules that affect those properties. Tracking, sensors, etc.
I see you babbling about -A- adapting and all. Do you have any references that actually show PL dropping 30, 60, 100+ titans on the field and -A- winning the battle?
It's not about the money spent in game. Goons come to the fight with thousands of real players. The "titan heavy" alliances come to the fight with two or three epic multi-boxers. Now which one of these gaming styles to you think provide more real world subscriptions to support our game? We already know which style provides the most fun for the players.
If you want a real visual reference to the "titan heavy" gamers, please view the Southpark episode "Make Love, not Warcraft" Season 10 Episode 8. I think you can find it on southpark studios website.
I'm sorry, but you fail to see my point. If goons and co keep throwing their head against the wall with ships that can get tracked by titans, perhaps they should adapt and switch to other doctrins. That is what -A- and the southern coalitions have done and it is working for them. It was not 4 days ago, the same fight i referenced in my original post, where PL dropped their entire supercap fleet in order to save a supercarrier. It was too late, so they lost the Hel, but they still sat around with no recourse for an hour. They even had to setup a bubble in the middle of their fleet to avoid losing more supercaps to disconnects. So yes, this is a reference to an actual -A- win. If Rusrus had committed their full capital fleets and perhaps batphoned other alliances that hate PL, they would have gotten a lot of PL supercapital kills. No doubt about it. PL only got out because -A- and friends decided to withdraw.
The money argument is also silly. If you want to design a game around how to get the most subscribers, I think you are in the wrong business. I want a game where there is incentive for old players to stay and play with their big toys that they have played a lot to receive and chance for new players to make a difference. There is this chance at the moment for that, but not if the new players never try to adapt but just continue banging their head against the wall.
If you want to win in the sandbox, you should come up with something original and not just build the same old muddy thing over and over.
Titan tracking nerf will solve the problem goons are facing, it will not solve the problem that EVE is facing. |
Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:46:00 -
[214] - Quote
To all of those threatening to leave the game. Please do.
I, for one, would like to show you just how little your loss in New Eden will affect the rest of us.
I remember thousands threatening to leave over this NERF and that NERF over the years, but after a thousand NERFs, I remember that which matters most.
WE ARE STILL HERE! WE ARE NEW EDEN, AND WE ARE NOT AFRAID!
Eve is improving. I'm happier about it now than I've been in years. The new efforts by the development team will definitely pay off for our community and the company.
Now log out, call mommy to come empty your bedpan, and while she's at it tell her you need some moneys for WOW. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2422
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:46:00 -
[215] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:[ I'm sorry, but you fail to see my point. If goons and co keep throwing their head against the wall with ships that can get tracked by titans, perhaps they should adapt and switch to other doctrins. Titans track everything in a large blob. Everything. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2422
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:47:00 -
[216] - Quote
I would paste the countless rifters killed by titans but that would require dealing with our killboard |
conqueror2006
Eternal Silence Ltd.
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:49:00 -
[217] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:are you accusing us of using ccp internal info to come up with the ice interdiction
me no
Your boss yes
Quote Originally Posted by The Mittani View Post We're going to wreck the entire EVE economy
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conqueror2006
Eternal Silence Ltd.
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:50:00 -
[218] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Ra Death wrote:[ I'm sorry, but you fail to see my point. If goons and co keep throwing their head against the wall with ships that can get tracked by titans, perhaps they should adapt and switch to other doctrins. Titans track everything in a large blob. Everything.
Have you one titan ??? For sure you don-¦t have...................... or you don-¦t use it............ |
Ra Death
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:52:00 -
[219] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:I would paste the countless rifters killed by titans but that would require dealing with our killboard
Yes, if you mwd straight toward a titan, you will lose a rifter, like it should be. But the ENTIRE situation that -A-/Gypsy had the other day with their tengus, who have bigger sigs than rifters minds you, shows that there are ways around dealing with titans and people are starting to learn and adapt. |
baltec1
694
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:55:00 -
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Ra Death wrote:
I'm sorry, but you fail to see my point. If goons and co keep throwing their head against the wall with ships that can get tracked by titans, perhaps they should adapt and switch to other doctrins. That is what -A- and the southern coalitions have done and it is working for them. It was not 4 days ago, the same fight i referenced in my original post, where PL dropped their entire supercap fleet in order to save a supercarrier. It was too late, so they lost the Hel, but they still sat around with no recourse for an hour. They even had to setup a bubble in the middle of their fleet to avoid losing more supercaps to disconnects. So yes, this is a reference to an actual -A- win. If Rusrus had committed their full capital fleets and perhaps batphoned other alliances that hate PL, they would have gotten a lot of PL supercapital kills. No doubt about it. PL only got out because -A- and friends decided to withdraw.
The money argument is also silly. If you want to design a game around how to get the most subscribers, I think you are in the wrong business. I want a game where there is incentive for old players to stay and play with their big toys that they have played a lot to receive and chance for new players to make a difference. There is this chance at the moment for that, but not if the new players never try to adapt but just continue banging their head against the wall.
If you want to win in the sandbox, you should come up with something original and not just build the same old muddy thing over and over.
Titan tracking nerf will solve the problem goons are facing, it will not solve the problem that EVE is facing.
Ah yes, you mean the fight in which PL made every mistake going, jumped in a titan fleet with no sub cap support into a AAA subcap fleet that outnumbered them 4 to one. The fight which AAA had to abandon because they still could not beat the titans dispite their hero dictors getting the entire titan fleet bubbled and their FCs doing a fantastic job of keeping their fleet alive.
The only reason the two supers died was because they were shield tanked and managed to leroy. AAA won the isk war no doubt, but they did not win the fight, they were forced to leave because they could not do anything more and every moment more they waited ment the chances of enemy subcaps or even more supers arriving. |
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Your'God
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:55:00 -
[221] - Quote
Actually, it's pretty sad that ccp let themselves be dictated stuff by people not knowing anything about game meachnis.
Most of the kills titans score to subcaps is not because titan tracking is too good, it's because of people not knowing how to manually fly their ships. A tank fitted titan right now does not track a Battleship orbittng it in under 50km, above that the damage output gets significantly reduced to the point that the battleship can just warp away/tank. But if said ship does stupid stuff like directly flying into the titan guns, it's a nobrainer (at least for people who know basic game mechanics).
Basically every single bigger turrent ship can kill ANY other ship if the conditions are right (some might call it a skilled player vs a unskilled player (talking about actual game knowledge, not SP, ))and this is how it is supposed to be. Why would anyone want it to be different is beyond me.
Now let's see a few side facts about titans vs dreads (poor man's titan if you will):
- A titan can only be produced in nullsec
- A titan takes over 2 months to build, not factoring in the effort the logistics and the danger to get ganked in the process
- A titan is in constant danger to get killed while buildung
- A titan is by far the most expensive ship
- A titan can't effectifely be shared and the pilot/account is stuck with it
- If a titan dies it's a major blow since you loose the isk, the titan capabilities and it usually can't be replaced. Additionally, a titan loss is a big morale blow for the loosing faction and the killing faction will get more people in their fleets. Also the side loosing titans will probably have less titan pilots volunteering for the next ops
- Deploying titans is a very risky manouver since every time more then 1 ship with a jump drive uses the cyno, the risk of getting bumped is significant. With the EHP levels and the agility/speed of capitals, an isolated titan can easily be killed by competent pilots
- crashed and agressed Titan is a big issue
- Dreads are insurable, you actually get a big amount of the isk you invested back into your wallet
- Dreads do more damage then a titan
- Dreads are 5min immobile while in Siege, but have the same ew-invulnerability as supercaps
- Dread production chain is easier and costs way way less
- Dreads can be built safely in stations
- Dreads can be traded; allowing a corp or alliance to have a stack available for everyone
- ...
CCP folks, i once again ask you to factor everything in since it sure does look like you guys are only doing what certain people been shouting at you to do, but that doesn't make it right in the game balance sense. If you listen to certain game faction (which you absolutely should not since the game itself should be balanced not favoring any in-game factions), they effectively want the titans offensive capability removed making it completely useless. That also means that way less titans will be fielded which also results in less "epic" space battles like your trailers want us make believe.
The subcap dd nerf was a good idea since it involved in the subcap fight way to easy by oneshotting important ships, but nerfing the titan further so it can't do stuff it can right now is in my humble opionen the wrong way.
There are a lot of other people in this thread making valid points game balance wise (for example saying "dreads are a counter" or "having to many of any ship is an issue, but isn't that the sandbox feature CCP advertises this game to begin with?").
Listen to them :) |
Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:03:00 -
[222] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:
I'm sorry, but you fail to see my point. If goons and co keep throwing their head against the wall with ships that can get tracked by titans, perhaps they should adapt and switch to other doctrins. That is what -A- and the southern coalitions have done and it is working for them. It was not 4 days ago, the same fight i referenced in my original post, where PL dropped their entire supercap fleet in order to save a supercarrier. It was too late, so they lost the Hel, but they still sat around with no recourse for an hour. They even had to setup a bubble in the middle of their fleet to avoid losing more supercaps to disconnects. So yes, this is a reference to an actual -A- win. If Rusrus had committed their full capital fleets and perhaps batphoned other alliances that hate PL, they would have gotten a lot of PL supercapital kills. No doubt about it. PL only got out because -A- and friends decided to withdraw.
The money argument is also silly. If you want to design a game around how to get the most subscribers, I think you are in the wrong business. I want a game where there is incentive for old players to stay and play with their big toys that they have played a lot to receive and chance for new players to make a difference. There is this chance at the moment for that, but not if the new players never try to adapt but just continue banging their head against the wall.
If you want to win in the sandbox, you should come up with something original and not just build the same old muddy thing over and over.
Titan tracking nerf will solve the problem goons are facing, it will not solve the problem that EVE is facing.
IF Rusrus had committed their full capital fleets? IF? Wrong. They did not commit because they would have been slaughtered to the last man. They managed a single supercarrier? Oh man! I was totally wrong. So that's it then? PL lost a super and now they have to start all over again? And they had to sit around for an hour? EPIC!
Your money argument paragraph is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. If you design a game you must design it in a way that attracts the most subscribers. That's called business. It's how you pay the bills and bankroll more cash to improve the game for future subscribers and old alike.
My throat is sore from laughing at your "wrong business" comment. |
Ra Death
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:03:00 -
[223] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:
Ah yes, you mean the fight in which PL made every mistake going, jumped in a titan fleet with no sub cap support into a AAA subcap fleet that outnumbered them 4 to one. The fight which AAA had to abandon because they still could not beat the titans dispite their hero dictors getting the entire titan fleet bubbled and their FCs doing a fantastic job of keeping their fleet alive.
The only reason the two supers died was because they were shield tanked and managed to leroy. AAA won the isk war no doubt, but they did not win the fight, they were forced to leave because they could not do anything more and every moment more they waited increaced the chances of enemy subcaps or even more supers arriving.
You are missing the majority of my points.
-A- did not need to bubble the hostile titan fleet because:
They had either bubbled themselves to avoid disconnects (they anchored several large bubbles I am told) They could not risk jumping/warping out because someone would undoubtedlly be left behind, to die. The reason PL supers died was not because they were shield tanked, it was because the first guy jumped in like a ****** when the PL supercaps were already jumped out and then there was a disconnected super that they caught.
PL didn't lose more supers because -A- and friends chose not to escalate the fight by bringing in the needed DPS (their own+allies supers).
PL were indeed stupid for not having a support fleet there, but the point of a support fleet is that you can fight that independently because supers are really hard to move around in large numbers.
The fact still remains that with the right setups you can effectively counter and isolate supers, you just need to switch away from the cookie cutter doctrins that you use for every single other fight. |
Ra Death
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:06:00 -
[224] - Quote
Nao Oikawasan wrote:
IF Rusrus had committed their full capital fleets? IF? Wrong. They did not commit because they would have been slaughtered to the last man. They managed a single supercarrier? Oh man! I was totally wrong. So that's it then? PL lost a super and now they have to start all over again? And they had to sit around for an hour? EPIC!
Your money argument paragraph is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. If you design a game you must design it in a way that attracts the most subscribers. That's called business. It's how you pay the bills and bankroll more cash to improve the game for future subscribers and old alike.
My throat is sore from laughing at your "wrong business" comment.
I don't know why rusrus didn't commit, but from the recordings I have heard of PL comms, they were pretty sure they were going to be slaughtered if rusrus had commited caps. That's generally how it works. The entire point is that a subcap fleet was able to hold down a supercap fleet without bubbles.
I am disappointed you think that appealing to a broad audience automatically makes a good game. By that logic we'd all be playing World of Warcraft. Laugh all you want, I enjoy my game well-thought-out with an emphasis on gameplay, not subscription numbers. |
baltec1
694
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:10:00 -
[225] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Ah yes, you mean the fight in which PL made every mistake going, jumped in a titan fleet with no sub cap support into a AAA subcap fleet that outnumbered them 4 to one. The fight which AAA had to abandon because they still could not beat the titans dispite their hero dictors getting the entire titan fleet bubbled and their FCs doing a fantastic job of keeping their fleet alive.
The only reason the two supers died was because they were shield tanked and managed to leroy. AAA won the isk war no doubt, but they did not win the fight, they were forced to leave because they could not do anything more and every moment more they waited increaced the chances of enemy subcaps or even more supers arriving.
You are missing the majority of my points. -A- did not need to bubble the hostile titan fleet because: They had either bubbled themselves to avoid disconnects (they anchored several large bubbles I am told) They could not risk jumping/warping out because someone would undoubtedlly be left behind, to die. The reason PL supers died was not because they were shield tanked, it was because the first guy jumped in like a ****** when the PL supercaps were already jumped out and then there was a disconnected super that they caught. PL didn't lose more supers because -A- and friends chose not to escalate the fight by bringing in the needed DPS (their own+allies supers). PL were indeed stupid for not having a support fleet there, but the point of a support fleet is that you can fight that independently because supers are really hard to move around in large numbers. The fact still remains that with the right setups you can effectively counter and isolate supers, you just need to switch away from the cookie cutter doctrins that you use for every single other fight.
Not a single titan was lost in the biggest welp you can possibly make. The reason PL did not jump out is simple, they had no reason to because AAA could not break them. Even if PL did bubble themselves, AAA still had to go a bubble them to stop them getting away because relying upon your enemy to bubble themselves for an entire fight is rather stupid.
The very fact that you think this is a loss for PL shows just how bad the balance currently is given this is the best people can manage vs the titan heavy fleets. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:10:00 -
[226] - Quote
wow i really like where this thread is going... started off as a where waldo and ended up with soo many tears... bravo my friends... |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2423
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:13:00 -
[227] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:Weaselior wrote:I would paste the countless rifters killed by titans but that would require dealing with our killboard Yes, if you mwd straight toward a titan, you will lose a rifter, like it should be. But the ENTIRE situation that -A-/Gypsy had the other day with their tengus, who have bigger sigs than rifters minds you, shows that there are ways around dealing with titans and people are starting to learn and adapt. When dealing with massive fleets of titans, you are always at zero transversal with someone. A solitary titan is not unbalanced. A blob is. |
Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:13:00 -
[228] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:
I don't know why rusrus didn't commit, but from the recordings I have heard of PL comms, they were pretty sure they were going to be slaughtered if rusrus had commited caps. That's generally how it works. The entire point is that a subcap fleet was able to hold down a supercap fleet without bubbles.
I am disappointed you think that appealing to a broad audience automatically makes a good game. By that logic we'd all be playing World of Warcraft. Laugh all you want, I enjoy my game well-thought-out with an emphasis on gameplay, not subscription numbers.
I just told you why they didn't commit.
If your "well-thought-out" plan is so good, why don't you create a business plan and submit it to your investors?
I'm sure they'll be pleased as punch to give you some money to start operations ASAP. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2423
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:14:00 -
[229] - Quote
conqueror2006 wrote:Weaselior wrote:are you accusing us of using ccp internal info to come up with the ice interdiction me no Your boss yes Quote Originally Posted by The Mittani View Post We're going to wreck the entire EVE economy I came up with the interdiction, and that post was my post on goonswarm. Mittens just copied it to kugu. That specific line was authored by adanthar, one of the other finance directors. |
Ra Death
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:18:00 -
[230] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:
Not a single titan was lost in the biggest welp you can possibly make. The reason PL did not jump out is simple, they had no reason to because AAA could not break them. Even if PL did bubble themselves, AAA still had to go a bubble them to stop them getting away because relying upon your enemy to bubble themselves for an entire fight is rather stupid.
The very fact that you think this is a loss for PL shows just how bad the balance currently is given this is the best people can manage vs the titan heavy fleets.
I'm fairly certain you can make bigger mistakes than the one made by PL a few days ago :) I can name a few. They could have started to jump out, eventually causing a few supers to get trapped by the cloaked dictors that were sitting off them (in all likelyhood). They could have jumped in 1 titan instead of their entire titan fleet, that would have been a bigger welp.
If PL could have gotten out before, they would have. They were committed because they didn't want to risk anymore super losses. No matter how you twist and turn it, PL did not leave till -A- and friends left. If they had pulled the trigger with bringing in supers, they could have taken down PL titans and supercarriers. It all depends on their numbers though.... but to reliterate my point. The titans were HELPLESS against the small tengus and were sitting only killing the idiots in the enemy fleets.
Titans sacrifice a lot of HP to be able to hit battlecruisers and battleships, it's a tradeoff like anything else.
Only judging fights on the result and not the potential there was is a fallacy of epic proportions.
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Ra Death
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:21:00 -
[231] - Quote
Weaselior wrote: When dealing with massive fleets of titans, you are always at zero transversal with someone. A solitary titan is not unbalanced. A blob is.
Unless you're flying at exactly the same speed as the titan, going in the same direction, or you're sitting completely still, you are never at zero transversal. God forbid people actually use some brains in combat instead of just anchoring up and following broadcasts.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2423
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:23:00 -
[232] - Quote
in this case 'zero transversal' would be correctly interpreted by anyone with half a brain as 'effectively zero transversal' i.e. the cone wherein you will get blapped regardless of sig |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2423
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:23:00 -
[233] - Quote
and of course they would translate transversal into angular velocity |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
554
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:25:00 -
[234] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:The fact still remains that with the right setups you can effectively counter and isolate supers, you just need to switch away from the cookie cutter doctrins that you use for every single other fight. This is the same argument as the small gang argument of "fit ECCM to all your ships and you'll see that Falcons are not overpowered". That may be a counter, but it is very specific and gimps your fits against the numerous other things you can encounter that are not Falcons.
Another parallel for both these situations is the small number of overpowered ships it takes to make your fleet have to change your whole composition:
If a 20-man BC gang encounters another 15-man BC gang that has a single Falcon, the result of the fight is almost definitely the latter winning. If the former had ECCM fit, they might be able to kill the 15-man gang, but they wouldn't be able to kill a 20-man gang without a Falcon -- which is still very probable to encounter.
If a 1000-man BS fleet encounters a 800-man BS fleet that also has 50 titans, the latter is going to have a significant advantage due to titans being able to potshot BSes. The former can use a few hundred dreads to kill titans, but if they encounter no titans, they are setting themselves up to lose a bunch of dreads.
It all centers around the fact that setting up to counter something that "might" happen ends up gimping your whole fleet. And, in large fleet battles it is far more likely that someone in the 1000-man fleet is a spy and lets the enemy know about the anti-titan setup, than that one of the titans is a spy and lets the other side know about the planned titan shooting gallery coming up. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Ra Death
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:25:00 -
[235] - Quote
Nao Oikawasan wrote:
I just told you why they didn't commit.
If your "well-thought-out" plan is so good, why don't you create a business plan and submit it to your investors?
I'm sure they'll be pleased as punch to give you some money to start operations ASAP.
They didn't commit because they didn't want to lose their own supers, it's fair enough. I can totally understand that. That scenario happens often with other events and other circumstances. But this whole event proved that a supercap blob can be contained and outmaneuvered if you use smarts and you adapt to it.
If -A- and friends had brought Maelstroms and Drakes, what they did wouldn't have been possible.
Are you seriously going on about your business plan for investors etc? Go play world of warcraft, lots of investors for that crap. I play EVE online because it's a niche game that appeals to what I enjoy in terms of gameplay. And funnily enough, it's financially viable :)
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baltec1
694
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:27:00 -
[236] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:
I'm fairly certain you can make bigger mistakes than the one made by PL a few days ago :) I can name a few. They could have started to jump out, eventually causing a few supers to get trapped by the cloaked dictors that were sitting off them (in all likelyhood). They could have jumped in 1 titan instead of their entire titan fleet, that would have been a bigger welp.
If PL could have gotten out before, they would have. They were committed because they didn't want to risk anymore super losses. No matter how you twist and turn it, PL did not leave till -A- and friends left. If they had pulled the trigger with bringing in supers, they could have taken down PL titans and supercarriers. It all depends on their numbers though.... but to reliterate my point. The titans were HELPLESS against the small tengus and were sitting only killing the idiots in the enemy fleets.
Titans sacrifice a lot of HP to be able to hit battlecruisers and battleships, it's a tradeoff like anything else.
Only judging fights on the result and not the potential there was is a fallacy of epic proportions.
AAA could not commit supers for two very good reasons.
1. Their titan fleet is outnumbered and had no idea if this was a trap set so they would get counter dropped by even more supers and killed.
2. If they commited and managed to kill all of the PL fleet their losses would have been horrible. They would have won, but it would have crippled their own titan fleet which would make their space even more vulnerable.
PL titans were not helpless, if they were they would have died. AAA did a fantastic job but in the end, if they had not pulled off they would have eventually been killed to a man by the titan which do track tengu. The argument about EHP is also rather laughable given that a titans EHP even when fit for tracking is still greater than many fleets. |
baltec1
694
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:29:00 -
[237] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:
If -A- and friends had brought Maelstroms and Drakes, what they did wouldn't have been possible.
They did bring Mealstroms... |
Ra Death
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:32:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Ra Death wrote:The fact still remains that with the right setups you can effectively counter and isolate supers, you just need to switch away from the cookie cutter doctrins that you use for every single other fight. This is the same argument as the small gang argument of "fit ECCM to all your ships and you'll see that Falcons are not overpowered". That may be a counter, but it is very specific and gimps your fits against the numerous other things you can encounter that are not Falcons. Another parallel for both these situations is the small number of overpowered ships it takes to make your fleet have to change your whole composition: If a 20-man BC gang encounters another 15-man BC gang that has a single Falcon, the result of the fight is almost definitely the latter winning. If the former had ECCM fit, they might be able to kill the 15-man gang, but they wouldn't be able to kill a 20-man gang without a Falcon -- which is still very probable to encounter. If a 1000-man BS fleet encounters a 800-man BS fleet that also has 50 titans, the latter is going to have a significant advantage due to titans being able to potshot BSes. The former can use a few hundred dreads to kill titans, but if they encounter no titans, they are setting themselves up to lose a bunch of dreads. It all centers around the fact that setting up to counter something that "might" happen ends up gimping your whole fleet. And, in large fleet battles it is far more likely that someone in the 1000-man fleet is a spy and lets the enemy know about the anti-titan setup, than that one of the titans is a spy and lets the other side know about the planned titan shooting gallery coming up.
There is always a tradeoff, that is how EVE works. You can't have it your way all the time which is exactly my point. If you nerf the ability to track BS/BC that on purpose fit sig increasing mods, you are essentially boiling EVE down to whatever 2 fleet doctrins that came out in the end as winners. Let's all play 'Maelstrom and Drake online'.
If you don't want to be pwned by an enemy that thinks about his ship choices, perhaps you should start adapting and anticipating their choices. Just like you can sensor damp the falcon with a tackling Lachesis/Arazu/whatever, you can also think out of the box with your fleet doctrins.
The titans are not the problem, the entire state of the current game mechanics is |
Ra Death
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:34:00 -
[239] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Ra Death wrote:
If -A- and friends had brought Maelstroms and Drakes, what they did wouldn't have been possible.
They did bring Mealstroms...
But not a single one was destroyed according to EVE-kill. But that's not possible right?! :)
http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12519023 |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2423
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 18:36:00 -
[240] - Quote
Ra Death wrote: There is always a tradeoff, that is how EVE works. You can't have it your way all the time which is exactly my point. If you nerf the ability to track BS/BC that on purpose fit sig increasing mods, you are essentially boiling EVE down to whatever 2 fleet doctrins that came out in the end as winners. Let's all play 'Maelstrom and Drake online'.
we are playing titans online and maelstrom and drake online >>>> titans online
proper fleet composition right now: titans+SCS+dictors
this fleet composition is correct regardless of what you're fighting incidentally |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2423
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:37:00 -
[241] - Quote
"you can't have what you want all the time, which is why titans must be able to blap anything" |
baltec1
694
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:38:00 -
[242] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:baltec1 wrote:Ra Death wrote:
If -A- and friends had brought Maelstroms and Drakes, what they did wouldn't have been possible.
They did bring Mealstroms... But not a single one was destroyed according to EVE-kill. But that's not possible right?! :) http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12519023
Thats because the FC and fleet warped in at range and kept aligned. The moment they got yellow boxed by the titans the victim would warp off. The lack of PL bubbles ment they could do this, in a normal fight PL would have had them bubbled and the titans could blap them with ease. The fleet discipline was most impressive |
Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:39:00 -
[243] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:Nao Oikawasan wrote:
I just told you why they didn't commit.
If your "well-thought-out" plan is so good, why don't you create a business plan and submit it to your investors?
I'm sure they'll be pleased as punch to give you some money to start operations ASAP.
They didn't commit because they didn't want to lose their own supers, it's fair enough. I can totally understand that. That scenario happens often with other events and other circumstances. But this whole event proved that a supercap blob can be contained and outmaneuvered if you use smarts and you adapt to it. If -A- and friends had brought Maelstroms and Drakes, what they did wouldn't have been possible. Are you seriously going on about your business plan for investors etc? Go play world of warcraft, lots of investors for that crap. I play EVE online because it's a niche game that appeals to what I enjoy in terms of gameplay. And funnily enough, it's financially viable :)
I'm sorry about harping on the business comment that you made. It's wrong of me to take shots at someone who is "disadvantaged". A game that appeals to the masses is a well designed game. THAT is what makes it financially viable. Nothing about multi-boxers with old accounts in that equation.
I'M SORRY! IT'S JUST TOO DAMNED FUNNY!
On to the really funny stuff.
So you are suggesting that the titan fleet was....contained? So......you continued to blap them until they were all gone. Right? Why would -A- leave first if they were.....winning? Please post more because I've only been playing this game since 2006 and I guess these complicated game mechanics have escaped me.
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Ra Death
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:41:00 -
[244] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:
AAA could not commit supers for two very good reasons.
1. Their titan fleet is outnumbered and had no idea if this was a trap set so they would get counter dropped by even more supers and killed.
2. If they commited and managed to kill all of the PL fleet their losses would have been horrible. They would have won, but it would have crippled their own titan fleet which would make their space even more vulnerable.
PL titans were not helpless, if they were they would have died. AAA did a fantastic job but in the end, if they had not pulled off they would have eventually been killed to a man by the titan which do track tengu. The argument about EHP is also rather laughable given that a titans EHP even when fit for tracking is still greater than many fleets.
1. This is fair enough. We all know how sneaky PL are. 2. Yes. It's a tradeoff. Being able to kill a 2 trillion isk supercap fleet should at least incur you some losses. EVE isn't risk free.
Titans didn't track any tengus except for the ones that came sufficiently close (dragged by the anchored bubble). PL titans were not able to switch to pure damage fits because if one of them got separated by a big bounce, they would have lost it. Titans cannot track tengus unless the tengus decide to fit an MWD or if they do something really stupid.
The EHP argument is pretty solid. Losing 15 million EHP is pretty damn significant if you get separated from your fleet. Titans bounce all the time when being warped together. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2423
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:46:00 -
[245] - Quote
Ra Death wrote: Titans cannot track tengus unless the tengus decide to fit an MWD or if they do something really stupid. titans can track afterburning logistics ships because when fighting a titan blob you always have zero transversal to someone |
Ra Death
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
5
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 18:46:00 -
[246] - Quote
Nao Oikawasan wrote:
I'm sorry about harping on the business comment that you made. It's wrong of me to take shots at someone who is "disadvantaged". A game that appeals to the masses is a well designed game. THAT is what makes it financially viable. Nothing about multi-boxers with old accounts in that equation.
I'M SORRY! IT'S JUST TOO DAMNED FUNNY!
On to the really funny stuff.
So you are suggesting that the titan fleet was....contained? So......you continued to blap them until they were all gone. Right? Why would -A- leave first if they were.....winning? Please post more because I've only been playing this game since 2006 and I guess these complicated game mechanics have escaped me.
I just litterally facepalmed at your post.
-A- left because they didn't want to risk their supercarriers as was beautifully pointed out by Baltec1, so there was no reason to continue. Plus, I'm guessing they were running out of missiles. |
Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:47:00 -
[247] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:
I just litterally facepalmed at your post.
-A- left because they didn't want to risk their supercarriers as was beautifully pointed out by Baltec1, so there was no reason to continue. Plus, I'm guessing they were running out of missiles.
Facepalm? NOOOO!
Does that mean I'm.......contained? |
Ra Death
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:48:00 -
[248] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Ra Death wrote: Titans cannot track tengus unless the tengus decide to fit an MWD or if they do something really stupid. titans can track afterburning logistics ships because when fighting a titan blob you always have zero transversal to someone
Is that why there are so many dead scimis in this battlereport?
http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12519023
Oh wait, there's only one. And two people have officer webs on him plus who knows how many neuts. |
Ra Death
Saevos Aviation Saevos Aviation LLC
5
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 18:50:00 -
[249] - Quote
Nao Oikawasan wrote:Ra Death wrote:
I just litterally facepalmed at your post.
-A- left because they didn't want to risk their supercarriers as was beautifully pointed out by Baltec1, so there was no reason to continue. Plus, I'm guessing they were running out of missiles.
Facepalm? NOOOO! Does that mean I'm.......contained?
Alright peace. I'm out for the evening. Hopefully I highlighted some useful issues for the people making this titan nerf decision. |
Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 18:51:00 -
[250] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:Nao Oikawasan wrote:Ra Death wrote:
I just litterally facepalmed at your post.
-A- left because they didn't want to risk their supercarriers as was beautifully pointed out by Baltec1, so there was no reason to continue. Plus, I'm guessing they were running out of missiles.
Facepalm? NOOOO! Does that mean I'm.......contained? Alright peace. I'm out for the evening. Hopefully I highlighted some useful issues for the people making this titan nerf decision.
No! Come back! |
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baltec1
694
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:52:00 -
[251] - Quote
Ra Death wrote: I just litterally facepalmed at your post.
-A- left because they didn't want to risk their supercarriers as was beautifully pointed out by Baltec1, so there was no reason to continue. Plus, I'm guessing they were running out of missiles.
Which goes to show just how broken the current situation is. |
baltec1
694
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:55:00 -
[252] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:Weaselior wrote:Ra Death wrote: Titans cannot track tengus unless the tengus decide to fit an MWD or if they do something really stupid. titans can track afterburning logistics ships because when fighting a titan blob you always have zero transversal to someone Is that why there are so many dead scimis in this battlereport? http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12519023Oh wait, there's only one. And two people have officer webs on him plus who knows how many neuts.
Again, they were not bubbled which ment they could warp off when yellow boxed. How many times must I tell you this? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2423
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:58:00 -
[253] - Quote
Ra Death wrote:Weaselior wrote:Ra Death wrote: Titans cannot track tengus unless the tengus decide to fit an MWD or if they do something really stupid. titans can track afterburning logistics ships because when fighting a titan blob you always have zero transversal to someone Is that why there are so many dead scimis in this battlereport? http://www.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12519023Oh wait, there's only one. And two people have officer webs on him plus who knows how many neuts. you mean this battle where two idiot supercarriers were ganked and then PL dropped in the titanblob to force the subcaps out, who then left rather than get blapped by the titans?
you idiot |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2423
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:58:00 -
[254] - Quote
"titans are not broken against subcaps, as evidenced by this battlereport where very few subcaps were killed cause they bugged out because they couldn't fight titans" |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2423
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:59:00 -
[255] - Quote
smart alliances never lose subcaps to supercaps! (because they leave them at home because the subcaps are useless) |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2423
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:00:00 -
[256] - Quote
ergo, titans and subcaps are balanced
THESE THINGS I BELIEVE |
1Of9
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
8
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:31:00 -
[257] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:"you can't have what you want all the time, which is why titans must be able to blap anything"
don distort the truth men, stop been a kid in here.
Real problem is you want everyone playing YOUR rules, and you want people forced thru nerfings.
Instead, use YOUR brain and fly WHATEVER suits the situation, sometimes that can be rifters, others, drakes, and others, scaps, witch you dont use because you want to play the victim here.
"buaaaa my poor little drakie got blaped, it's unfairrrrrrr"
cry me a river will ya ? |
1Of9
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
8
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:34:00 -
[258] - Quote
CCP should come up with something that allow's smaller entity's (or player groups) do serious damage to scaps in general, thru something like a super torpedo or something like that.
keeping nerfing ships at goons wimp it's not good.
After CCP nerfs titans, goons will keep crying, because there's always something else.
If you review CCP forum history, you will that all unfair nerfs where done based solely by goon threadnaugts, and frankly, with so much inside intel goons get, no wonder they know where to hit ccp at.
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1Of9
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
8
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:34:00 -
[259] - Quote
INB4 goons quote my posts distorting them and mocking the truth |
baltec1
695
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:38:00 -
[260] - Quote
1Of9 wrote:CCP should come up with something that allow's smaller entity's (or player groups) do serious damage to scaps in general, thru something like a super torpedo or something like that.
keeping nerfing ships at goons wimp it's not good.
After CCP nerfs titans, goons will keep crying, because there's always something else.
If you review CCP forum history, you will that all unfair nerfs where done based solely by goon threadnaugts, and frankly, with so much inside intel goons get, no wonder they know where to hit ccp at.
So the goons made the drone nerf, nano nerf, titan AOE nerf and ECM nerfs happen?
Or perhaps CCP nerfed them because they were in fact game breaking. |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2427
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:43:00 -
[261] - Quote
1Of9 wrote: "buaaaa my poor little drakie got blaped, it's unfairrrrrrr"
cry me a river will ya ?
come to think of it its not goons crying a river
1Of9 wrote:INB4 goons quote my posts distorting them and mocking the truth ahahahahahahahahaaha
lookit the badposter |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1656
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:57:00 -
[262] - Quote
The only people I see crying in this thread are those who know their superships are overpowered and don't want to lose their invincibility.
Vote The Mittani for CSM Chairman for more ~elite PvP~ crying. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
1Of9
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
8
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:08:00 -
[263] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:1Of9 wrote:CCP should come up with something that allow's smaller entity's (or player groups) do serious damage to scaps in general, thru something like a super torpedo or something like that.
keeping nerfing ships at goons wimp it's not good.
After CCP nerfs titans, goons will keep crying, because there's always something else.
If you review CCP forum history, you will that all unfair nerfs where done based solely by goon threadnaugts, and frankly, with so much inside intel goons get, no wonder they know where to hit ccp at.
So the goons made the drone nerf, nano nerf, titan AOE nerf and ECM nerfs happen? Or perhaps CCP nerfed them because they were in fact game breaking.
Post with your main, grow some balls
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baltec1
696
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:11:00 -
[264] - Quote
1Of9 wrote:baltec1 wrote:1Of9 wrote:CCP should come up with something that allow's smaller entity's (or player groups) do serious damage to scaps in general, thru something like a super torpedo or something like that.
keeping nerfing ships at goons wimp it's not good.
After CCP nerfs titans, goons will keep crying, because there's always something else.
If you review CCP forum history, you will that all unfair nerfs where done based solely by goon threadnaugts, and frankly, with so much inside intel goons get, no wonder they know where to hit ccp at.
So the goons made the drone nerf, nano nerf, titan AOE nerf and ECM nerfs happen? Or perhaps CCP nerfed them because they were in fact game breaking. Post with your main, grow some balls
Posting with my main, I have flown a megathron in almost every fight for the past year. If my balls were any larger I could mount two death star style weapons on them and take care of this problem myself. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
600
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:12:00 -
[265] - Quote
1Of9 wrote:Post with your main, grow some balls What makes you think he isn't posting with his main? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2427
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 20:23:00 -
[266] - Quote
1Of9 wrote: Post with your main, grow some balls
dear 1of9, noted badposter
the default settings on eve-o sometimes cause a person's corp and alliance to not be displayed
however, you may click on their profile and discover who they are
in this case, baltec1 is clearly a member of bat country a member of Goonswarm Federation, and likely a main
thank you for your time I hope this has been educational |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
465
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:37:00 -
[267] - Quote
So when does this thread get moved to COAD?
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1Of9
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
8
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:41:00 -
[268] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:1Of9 wrote:Post with your main, grow some balls What makes you think he isn't posting with his main?
i know a goon alt galaxies away |
baltec1
696
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:42:00 -
[269] - Quote
1Of9 wrote:Lord Zim wrote:1Of9 wrote:Post with your main, grow some balls What makes you think he isn't posting with his main? i know a goon alt galaxies away
It would seem you don't. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
393
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:45:00 -
[270] - Quote
Weaselior is posting up a storm, but still refuses to acknowledge that his side ignores any type of ship above battleships.
"Hi I'm Goonswarm and I should be able to win every fight by clogging the guns of my enemy with some mid level **** ship because we're newbie friendly", meanwhile, Soundwave, aka Stofferninjapirate or whatever his name was slowly does his best t20 impression trying to get whatever change pushed through that Goons want the most.
baltec1 wrote:
AAA could not commit supers for two very good reasons.
1. Their titan fleet is outnumbered and had no idea if this was a trap set so they would get counter dropped by even more supers and killed.
2. If they commited and managed to kill all of the PL fleet their losses would have been horrible. They would have won, but it would have crippled their own titan fleet which would make their space even more vulnerable.
PL titans were not helpless, if they were they would have died. AAA did a fantastic job but in the end, if they had not pulled off they would have eventually been killed to a man by the titan which do track tengu. The argument about EHP is also rather laughable given that a titans EHP even when fit for tracking is still greater than many fleets.
So what you're saying is that the 72 supercaps that AAA and Solar got online didn't jump because they wanted to be able to kill supers without risking even a cap fleet of their own, they instead tried to take the same road as everybody else and pretend that eve ship classes stop at battleships and that that, is what they should be able to kill everything in EVE with.
Sorry thats not how the game works.
You can't kill a Battlship fleet with a frigate fleet, you might kill one or 2, but largely, you're not going to do anything to them, just like you can't kill a supercap fleet with battleships, you must use dreads, or the job simply won't get done.
That is as it should be, Weaselior can cry all he wants, but until you use the ships in game that can kill titans, you won't kill titans and they'll always be a problem for your team. |
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
600
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:45:00 -
[271] - Quote
1Of9 wrote:Lord Zim wrote:1Of9 wrote:Post with your main, grow some balls What makes you think he isn't posting with his main? i know a goon alt galaxies away Sounds to me like you need to get your money back on that detector. It's not working very well. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:46:00 -
[272] - Quote
1Of9 wrote:i know a goon alt galaxies away im afraid i have a confession to make |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:49:00 -
[273] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Sorry thats not how the game works. for now
you guys have a csm member, surely you can fight this injustice at the source |
baltec1
696
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:54:00 -
[274] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Weaselior is posting up a storm, but still refuses to acknowledge that his side ignores any type of ship above battleships. "Hi I'm Goonswarm and I should be able to win every fight by clogging the guns of my enemy with some mid level **** ship because we're newbie friendly", meanwhile, Soundwave, aka Stofferninjapirate or whatever his name was slowly does his best t20 impression trying to get whatever change pushed through that Goons want the most. baltec1 wrote:
AAA could not commit supers for two very good reasons.
1. Their titan fleet is outnumbered and had no idea if this was a trap set so they would get counter dropped by even more supers and killed.
2. If they commited and managed to kill all of the PL fleet their losses would have been horrible. They would have won, but it would have crippled their own titan fleet which would make their space even more vulnerable.
PL titans were not helpless, if they were they would have died. AAA did a fantastic job but in the end, if they had not pulled off they would have eventually been killed to a man by the titan which do track tengu. The argument about EHP is also rather laughable given that a titans EHP even when fit for tracking is still greater than many fleets.
So what you're saying is that the 72 supercaps that AAA and Solar got online didn't jump because they wanted to be able to kill supers without risking even a cap fleet of their own, they instead tried to take the same road as everybody else and pretend that eve ship classes stop at battleships and that that, is what they should be able to kill everything in EVE with. Sorry thats not how the game works. You can't kill a Battlship fleet with a frigate fleet, you might kill one or 2, but largely, you're not going to do anything to them, just like you can't kill a supercap fleet with battleships, you must use dreads, or the job simply won't get done. That is as it should be, Weaselior can cry all he wants, but until you use the ships in game that can kill titans, you won't kill titans and they'll always be a problem for your team.
400 frigates vs 80 or so BS, the frigates have a good chance of winning. Not so with anything vs titans. |
Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:00:00 -
[275] - Quote
OK, enough of the foreplay. It's time for all of the elite players in the game to finally tell the silly children in Goons how wrong they've been.
Will one of you please explain how, say a younger alliance with 10,000 players with 30 titans, can take space from an old alliance, rich on tech with 1000 members and 100+ titans?
This is going to be EPIC! I can't wait to see all of the Goons freaking out about how obvious the answer is!
I mean DUHHH!
Go ahead.
I'll wait. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
600
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:01:00 -
[276] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:"Hi I'm Goonswarm and I should be able to win every fight by clogging the guns of my enemy with some mid level **** ship because we're newbie friendly", meanwhile, Soundwave, aka Stofferninjapirate or whatever his name was slowly does his best t20 impression trying to get whatever change pushed through that Goons want the most. "Hi, I'm PL, and I should be able to win every fight because I spent lots of isk to buy a big ship and I have lots of SP and I need me an end-game.", meanwhile totally ignoring the fact that at the strategic level, EVE is a 2 dimentional shithouse.
Which, I'm sure, would retain more bitter old vets if it was improved, than just having "big ships to train for". "Oh boy oh boy oh boy I get to activate yet another 1 month skill THIS GAME IS EXCITING NOW." |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:02:00 -
[277] - Quote
Nao Oikawasan wrote:OK, enough of the foreplay. It's time for all of the elite players in the game to finally tell the silly children in Goons how wrong they've been.
Will one of you please explain how, say a younger alliance with 10,000 players with 30 titans, can take space from an old alliance, rich on tech with 1000 members and 100+ titans?
This is going to be EPIC! I can't wait to see all of the Goons freaking out about how obvious the answer is!
I mean DUHHH!
Go ahead.
I'll wait. use the 10,000 members to elect a charismatic member of their group to the CSM and alter the game mechanics to their favor |
baltec1
697
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:06:00 -
[278] - Quote
Nao Oikawasan wrote:OK, enough of the foreplay. It's time for all of the elite players in the game to finally tell the silly children in Goons how wrong they've been.
Will one of you please explain how, say a younger alliance with 10,000 players with 30 titans, can take space from an old alliance, rich on tech with 1000 members and 100+ titans?
This is going to be EPIC! I can't wait to see all of the Goons freaking out about how obvious the answer is!
I mean DUHHH!
Go ahead.
I'll wait.
HIde behind cyno jammers while getting those 10000 to mine, all day and night, untill you have 1000 titans. |
Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:08:00 -
[279] - Quote
Promiscuous Female wrote:Nao Oikawasan wrote:OK, enough of the foreplay. It's time for all of the elite players in the game to finally tell the silly children in Goons how wrong they've been.
Will one of you please explain how, say a younger alliance with 10,000 players with 30 titans, can take space from an old alliance, rich on tech with 1000 members and 100+ titans?
This is going to be EPIC! I can't wait to see all of the Goons freaking out about how obvious the answer is!
I mean DUHHH!
Go ahead.
I'll wait. use the 10,000 members to elect a charismatic member of their group to the CSM and alter the game mechanics to their favor
Uhhh! I'm talking to the L33T people, you goon (love the mommy bags by the way). You know the ones who've been posting about all of the options for taking down a giant titan blob.
Just sit and wait for it. You're going to love this! |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2430
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 21:14:00 -
[280] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Weaselior is posting up a storm, but still refuses to acknowledge that his side ignores any type of ship above battleships.
"Hi I'm Goonswarm and I should be able to win every fight by clogging the guns of my enemy with some mid level **** ship because we're newbie friendly", meanwhile, Soundwave, aka Stofferninjapirate or whatever his name was slowly does his best t20 impression trying to get whatever change pushed through that Goons want the most. grath "just cyno in 500 dreads. what's bumping, precious?" telkin |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2440
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 21:21:00 -
[281] - Quote
"people should use the ship my supercap is specifically designed to kill to try and counter my supercap" |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
393
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 21:30:00 -
[282] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:"people should use the ship my supercap is specifically designed to kill to try and counter my supercap"
People should use the ship specifically designed to kill my supercap.
But you can ignore the truth for the sake of your mad posting spree. |
Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 21:32:00 -
[283] - Quote
Oh...... Nothing?
I thought for sure with all this talk about how the Goons were simply using the wrong tactics that there was some way to do it. Just something quick?
Guess the Goons might have a point then.
Never mind. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
602
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 21:32:00 -
[284] - Quote
So, grath, when do we have enough titans in enough alliances that we have to get CCP to design a ship above titans, so bitter vets have ~some content~ to train for? |
Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 21:43:00 -
[285] - Quote
Grath's apparently done with this game and doesn't want to have to figure out anything more complicated than "do we have more of the big things than the other guys do?" to get his semi-annual fleet battle on.
Please think of the bitter vets so they don't have to! What a travesty it would be if everyone who didn't want large scale engagements to be any more complicated than "bring more of a single unit type than the other guy" just logged off forever because you made it too hard for them! |
Grad Vic
SregginWaffe Elite Space Guild
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 21:47:00 -
[286] - Quote
Futur content may include but is not limited to a death star w/ AoE. After the inevitable nerf we will be left with tracking death stars. After that inevitable nerf (and related forum complaining) will come super star juggernaughts (SSJ for short) I and II. I think you can see where this is going. The end of the Eve time continuum
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Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 21:47:00 -
[287] - Quote
Wait. What ship was specifically designed to kill the titan?
If it's the titan itself, I think we have an infinite loop error in our programming. |
Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 21:54:00 -
[288] - Quote
Well, I think we've ruled out capitals and subcapitals... |
Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 21:56:00 -
[289] - Quote
Hate to say it. But I think I see a future where PL members no longer have personal 10 billion isk a month tech moons all to themselves.
They may have to start doubling up. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
393
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:01:00 -
[290] - Quote
Wirbin wrote:Well, I think we've ruled out capitals and subcapitals...
If you've ruled out capitals its your own fault and you are in fact the idiot, because they are what you need to field.
Nao Oikawasan wrote:Hate to say it. But I think I see a future where PL members no longer have personal 10 billion isk a month tech moons all to themselves.
They may have to start doubling up.
We've collected over 6 trillion isk in the past 365 days, so, maybe not.
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Nao Oikawasan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:06:00 -
[291] - Quote
Better put that under your pillow.
We'll talk after the nerf about how your "collections" are graphing.
How's mintchip btw? Still minty fresh? |
testobjekt
Creative Accounting Institute
88
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:12:00 -
[292] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote: We've collected over 6 trillion isk in the past 365 days, so, maybe not.
I hope this is alliance income and not overall income of PL |
Wirbin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:12:00 -
[293] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote: If you've ruled out capitals its your own fault and you are in fact the idiot, because they are what you need to field.
nope, it's actually "more titans"
Thanks again for (not) playing! |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
566
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:17:00 -
[294] - Quote
did grath really just scream DEVSWARM FEDERATION |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
394
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:21:00 -
[295] - Quote
testobjekt wrote:Grath Telkin wrote: We've collected over 6 trillion isk in the past 365 days, so, maybe not.
I hope this is alliance income and not overall income of PL
Moon income is ran differently in PL than most alliances who 'nationalize' moons, or let corps own them, so that the common man never sees a dime of it and just gets ships replaced or a spreadsheet of expenditures.
Here a moon is given a caretaker (literally anybody can be a caretaker) and they pay the alliance a fee every month to control the tower, this amounts to just about half what the towers make, so if a moon makes 8 billion a month, the player caretaker gets 4 and the alliance gets 4.
Thus the whole of our moon take over the past year is 6 trillion, split into the alliance getting 3, and the members of the allaince getting 3 trillion. The alliance income is then used to manipulate the market, we invest the cash, and the profit from that is then turned into new titans and supercarriers, plus a modest hictor/dictor/logistics reimbursement program, and a supercap replacement program. Contract isk then goes to replace mainline ships used in the completion of a contract (BS/Tengus).
This model insures maximum participation during moon defense, people show to defend your moons because they want people to defend their moons.
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:did grath really just scream DEVSWARM FEDERATION
Are you denying that one of the lead guys is an ex goon who seems to always push forward changes that benefit your alliance?
I mean, the older players in the game remember this happening before, and in many of our opinions Soundwave was the worst possible choice for a lead guy as he has well known player connections still.
Who knows, maybe you're a new goon and you weren't around when he still played. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
566
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:22:00 -
[296] - Quote
pandevic legion more like |
baltec1
703
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:24:00 -
[297] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:did grath really just scream DEVSWARM FEDERATION
You have to forgive him, this will be the 5th or 6th time PL have based their entire alliance around a FOTM only to get curbstomped by everyone when CCP nerfed it. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
394
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:28:00 -
[298] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:did grath really just scream DEVSWARM FEDERATION You have to forgive him, this will be the 5th or 6th time PL have based their entire alliance around a FOTM only to get curbstomped by everyone when CCP nerfed it.
Yea, oddly enough, we're still PL and you're still baltec1
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Bondeknold
Perkone Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:28:00 -
[299] - Quote
this game has come down to mittani Saying something at csm and ordering 8000 people to spamm the forum on the matter and ccp ''thinking'' Oh .. i guess thats what people want
ive always wondered how mittani can be in CSM .. its been shown several times how he Leaks Inside info to hes own alliance .. goonswarm recieved news on the super nerf way before enyone els . last time i checked Leaking info and trying to influence ccp for your own benefit wasent allowed .. but it seems like that rule has been removed lately
Props to mittani for manipulating everyone around him and having hes way with ccp and gettin all hes enemy's nerfed instead of teaching hes fc's to command a fleet .
formula must be something like
x beats goons = its overpowered and needs fixing |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:30:00 -
[300] - Quote
Bondeknold wrote: its been shown several times how he Leaks Inside info to hes own alliance .. Prove it. (9:06 PM) aaronkb@optonlin: all of your deeds wil be forgiven if u go on cam and pose nude for me-á |
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
398
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:32:00 -
[301] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Bondeknold wrote: its been shown several times how he Leaks Inside info to hes own alliance .. Prove it.
The cat call of somebody caught cheating ladies and gentlemen.
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:35:00 -
[302] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Karadion wrote:Bondeknold wrote: its been shown several times how he Leaks Inside info to hes own alliance .. Prove it. The cat call of somebody caught cheating ladies and gentlemen. Au contraire, mon ami. (9:06 PM) aaronkb@optonlin: all of your deeds wil be forgiven if u go on cam and pose nude for me-á |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
398
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:38:00 -
[303] - Quote
Ok thats not a cat call thats french, and I demand you take it back. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
567
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:38:00 -
[304] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:
Who knows, maybe you're a new goon and you weren't around when he still played.
I'm actually like four months old. I think shouting DEVSWARM FEDERATION/CLUSTERDEV COALITION and claiming that GSF leadership are in contact with a senior developer at CCP because of agreement between the two parties on issues like titan tracking and technetium is really quite imbecilic.
Would you much rather stumble about blindly in the dark and assume that there is player-dev collaboration, than actually assume that YES titans are broken and YES tech needs to be nerfed and YES GSF leadership and Stoffer both agree on this but that that just means that it's a bloody obvious problem rather than dev collaboration?
Maybe i've been trolled, maybe you just want to see what you want to see. It just occurs to me that two people agreeing does not necessarily indicate underhand dealing, but that perhaps the issue on which agreement is reached just has a blatantly obvious conclusion! |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:39:00 -
[305] - Quote
I think it is pretty clear that The Mittani has an unhealthy relationship with CCP Sreegs and other devs. Every year Goonfleet pays to fly in CCP devs to hang out with them at a private party as well... There is a huge scandal brewing that will blow T20 out of the water. The rabbit hole goes deep my friends.
It is a fact that CCP Stoffer is on Mittani's Christmas list and the cards are always very very thick. There is money involved. Follow the trail and you will get the big picture. It is international. The Russians are involved as well. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2441
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:39:00 -
[306] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Weaselior wrote:"people should use the ship my supercap is specifically designed to kill to try and counter my supercap" People should use the ship specifically designed to kill my supercap. But you can ignore the truth for the sake of your mad posting spree. grath "dreadnaughts were specifically designed to kill titans, a class of ship not in existance at the time that after its introduction had its role altered from an antisubcap ship to an anticapship" telkin
grath "hilarious opinions" telkin |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
567
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:40:00 -
[307] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:I think it is pretty clear that The Mittani has an unhealthy relationship with CCP Sreegs and other devs. Every year Goonfleet pays to fly in CCP devs to hang out with them at a private party as well... There is a huge scandal brewing that will blow T20 out of the water. The rabbit hole goes deep my friends.
I would agree that any relationship based on over-consumption of alcohol is unhealthy, yes. |
baltec1
703
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:40:00 -
[308] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:did grath really just scream DEVSWARM FEDERATION You have to forgive him, this will be the 5th or 6th time PL have based their entire alliance around a FOTM only to get curbstomped by everyone when CCP nerfed it. Yea, oddly enough, we're still PL and you're still baltec1 EDIT: Oh and baltec, please enlighten us about those 5 or 6 times PL has been curbstomped by people after a CCP nerf, I am literally quivering with anticipation at your historical account of our alliance.
Lets start with the sudden loss of the super friends and your tengu welps into VFK.
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Bondeknold
Perkone Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:41:00 -
[309] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Bondeknold wrote: its been shown several times how he Leaks Inside info to hes own alliance .. Prove it.
i'm not gonna bother . its just a shame that eve have come to this Because the biggest alliance in eve cant figure out how to play the game they find a way to influence ccp to simply Nerf whats in thier path . |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:41:00 -
[310] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:I think it is pretty clear that The Mittani has an unhealthy relationship with CCP Sreegs and other devs. Every year Goonfleet pays to fly in CCP devs to hang out with them at a private party as well... There is a huge scandal brewing that will blow T20 out of the water. The rabbit hole goes deep my friends. You can keep hitting that rabbit hole. You're a laugh. (9:06 PM) aaronkb@optonlin: all of your deeds wil be forgiven if u go on cam and pose nude for me-á |
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:41:00 -
[311] - Quote
Bondeknold wrote:Karadion wrote:Bondeknold wrote: its been shown several times how he Leaks Inside info to hes own alliance .. Prove it. i'm not gonna bother . its just a shame that eve have come to this Because the biggest alliance in eve cant figure out how to play the game they find a way to influence ccp to simply Nerf whats in thier path . In other words, you got no proof. (9:06 PM) aaronkb@optonlin: all of your deeds wil be forgiven if u go on cam and pose nude for me-á |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2441
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:42:00 -
[312] - Quote
grath "i have no connection to reality but I MUST POST" telkin
i don't know if i could ever just settle on one |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:42:00 -
[313] - Quote
More evidence can be seen in the way the recruitment channel rules were changed after a single request by a high powered goon named Andski. There are pictures of Andski drinking with many eve devs on many occasions. They aren't just customers they are buddies. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
567
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:42:00 -
[314] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:grath "i have no connection to reality but I MUST POST" telkin
isn't this like every single goon |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2441
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:43:00 -
[315] - Quote
pl only let in ordo garr and penifsmash to make grath's posting look less terrible by comparison |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2441
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:43:00 -
[316] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Weaselior wrote:grath "i have no connection to reality but I MUST POST" telkin isn't this like every single goon we have connections to reality
we must post though |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:44:00 -
[317] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:More evidence can be seen in the way the recruitment channel rules were changed after a single request by a high powered goon named Andski. There are pictures of Andski drinking with many eve devs on many occasions. They aren't just customers they are buddies. Is that what your argument is based on? When CCP put in a rule prohibiting scamming and then took it out because it went against their ideals of the game in the first place. Are you mad because you got scammed by a goonie? Oh wait we don't scam. Nevermind that.
Just come out and say it. You want CCP to prohibit scamming everywhere so that they can ban the goons outright. (9:06 PM) aaronkb@optonlin: all of your deeds wil be forgiven if u go on cam and pose nude for me-á |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:45:00 -
[318] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:grath "dreadnaughts were specifically designed to kill titans, a class of ship not in existance at the time that after its introduction had its role altered from an antisubcap ship to an anticapship" telkin
grath "hilarious opinions" telkin What were dreads originally for? I imagine it wasn't to use their turrets to kill rifters... Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:45:00 -
[319] - Quote
(CCP members have secret forums accounts on the goonfleet website. They keep it lowkey but trust me there is some nefarious dealings going on. One time they accidentally leaked too much of their access logs and it had a boatload of IP addresses originating from Iceland) |
baltec1
703
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:46:00 -
[320] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:More evidence can be seen in the way the recruitment channel rules were changed after a single request by a high powered goon named Andski. There are pictures of Andski drinking with many eve devs on many occasions. They aren't just customers they are buddies.
Yes lets corrupt CCP into making it harder for us to scam people |
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Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
458
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:46:00 -
[321] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:(CCP members have secret forums accounts on the goonfleet website. They keep it lowkey but trust me there is some nefarious dealings going on. One time they accidentally leaked too much of their access logs and it had a boatload of IP addresses originating from Iceland) Which was never because Solo Drakban is actually a competent web admin. (9:06 PM) aaronkb@optonlin: all of your deeds wil be forgiven if u go on cam and pose nude for me-á |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:46:00 -
[322] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:More evidence can be seen in the way the recruitment channel rules were changed after a single request by a high powered goon named Andski. There are pictures of Andski drinking with many eve devs on many occasions. They aren't just customers they are buddies. Is that what your argument is based on? When CCP put in a rule prohibiting scamming and then took it out because it went against their ideals of the game in the first place. Are you mad because you got scammed by a goonie? Oh wait we don't scam. Nevermind that. Just come out and say it. You want CCP to prohibit scamming everywhere so that they can ban the goons outright. I am not mad about it. I hate pubbies. I just tell it like it is. Goons run this game and pubbies should just accept it and continue using it as a mining simulator or random asteroid orbiter or whatever it is they do. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2441
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:46:00 -
[323] - Quote
all the stories about adanski are true, every one |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:48:00 -
[324] - Quote
Tsk, what a waste of good isk, letting the pubbies keep it.
Guys remember before you ever do anything in Jita, first post in recruitment so if anything happens... in fact spam recruitment with all your assets and everything, so it's out there and you can be invulnerable if someone convos you promising to double your isk, or trade for that faction ship you have. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
baltec1
703
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:48:00 -
[325] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:(CCP members have secret forums accounts on the goonfleet website. They keep it lowkey but trust me there is some nefarious dealings going on. One time they accidentally leaked too much of their access logs and it had a boatload of IP addresses originating from Iceland)
And naturally you can post the evidence of this right here. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
567
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:49:00 -
[326] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
Who knows, maybe you're a new goon and you weren't around when he still played.
I'm actually like four months old. I think shouting DEVSWARM FEDERATION/CLUSTERDEV COALITION and claiming that GSF leadership are in contact with a senior developer at CCP because of agreement between the two parties on issues like titan tracking and technetium is really quite imbecilic. Would you much rather stumble about blindly in the dark and assume that there is player-dev collaboration, than actually assume that YES titans are broken and YES tech needs to be nerfed and YES GSF leadership and Stoffer both agree on this but that that just means that it's a bloody obvious problem rather than dev collaboration? Maybe i've been trolled, maybe you just want to see what you want to see. It just occurs to me that two people agreeing does not necessarily indicate underhand dealing, but that perhaps the issue on which agreement is reached just has a blatantly obvious conclusion!
I spent at least five minutes on this post |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:49:00 -
[327] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:(CCP members have secret forums accounts on the goonfleet website. They keep it lowkey but trust me there is some nefarious dealings going on. One time they accidentally leaked too much of their access logs and it had a boatload of IP addresses originating from Iceland) And naturally you can post the evidence of this right here.
This was over two years ago. Listen one of the previous goon CEOs is now in charge of security at CCP. He is best friends with Mittani (He named his kid after him FYI)
If you can't read the writing on the wall back up a few paces because it is written so huge that you are probably missing it. Look at the big picture man.... It is super clear. |
RDevz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:54:00 -
[328] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:(CCP members have secret forums accounts on the goonfleet website. They keep it lowkey but trust me there is some nefarious dealings going on. One time they accidentally leaked too much of their access logs and it had a boatload of IP addresses originating from Iceland) And naturally you can post the evidence of this right here. This was over two years ago. Listen one of the previous goon CEOs is now in charge of security at CCP. He is best friends with Mittani (He named his kid after him FYI) If you can't read the writing on the wall back up a few paces because it is written so huge that you are probably missing it. Look at the big picture man.... It is super clear.
And, of course with your CCP HR hat on, you're going to either deny someone gainful employment based on the fact that they play the computer game that you make, and had the sheer unmitigated gall to make friends whilst doing so. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 22:56:00 -
[329] - Quote
RDevz wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:(CCP members have secret forums accounts on the goonfleet website. They keep it lowkey but trust me there is some nefarious dealings going on. One time they accidentally leaked too much of their access logs and it had a boatload of IP addresses originating from Iceland) And naturally you can post the evidence of this right here. This was over two years ago. Listen one of the previous goon CEOs is now in charge of security at CCP. He is best friends with Mittani (He named his kid after him FYI) If you can't read the writing on the wall back up a few paces because it is written so huge that you are probably missing it. Look at the big picture man.... It is super clear. And, of course with youe CCP HR hat on, you're going to either deny someone gainful employment based on the fact that they play the computer game that you make, and had the sheer unmitigated gall to make friends whilst doing so. You might not work in the computer gaming world but let me let you in on a little secret, there is no HR involved. You get jobs through connections and goons have them and pubbies don't. He didn't not get a job because of HR he got the job because he is friends with all the devs.
How does a normal pubby make friends with devs? They can't. Devs hate the playerbase. If you go to any bar in Iceland though you are bound to run into some CCP dudes and then you can get in on the inner circle.
Here is another Fact:
The Mittani comes from no small amount of wealth and is an angel investor for CCP. This is something that is super super hush hush but it is pretty well known by his directors (in order to be a director you have to live near him or know him IRL) |
baltec1
703
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:00:00 -
[330] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
How does a normal pubby make friends with devs? They can't. Devs hate the playerbase. If you go to any bar in Iceland though you are bound to run into some CCP dudes and then you can get in on the inner circle.
God forbid the devs are friends with eachother. Still waiting on said evidence btw. |
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Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:03:00 -
[331] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
How does a normal pubby make friends with devs? They can't. Devs hate the playerbase. If you go to any bar in Iceland though you are bound to run into some CCP dudes and then you can get in on the inner circle.
God forbid the devs are friends with eachother. Still waiting on said evidence btw. (Protip: Darius Johnson was not a dev when he first starting hanging with them. He was the CEO of Goonfleet. He then got the job and changed his online handle to CCP Sreegs) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:06:00 -
[332] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Which was never because Solo Drakban is actually a competent web admin. Solo Drakban is amazing, and does amazing work on our secret goonfleet dot com forums.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:07:00 -
[333] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Karadion wrote:Which was never because Solo Drakban is actually a competent web admin. Solo Drakban is amazing, and does amazing work on our secret goonfleet dot com forums.
How come nobody likes to talk about his day job and where he is a web developer? By the way the new eve website looks great.
Nearly 25% of the goonfleet directorate gets checks with CCP written at the top... |
Rek Esket
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:08:00 -
[334] - Quote
Bondeknold wrote:ive always wondered how mittani can be in CSM .. its been shown several times how he Leaks Inside info to hes own alliance ..
I wish this were true. |
baltec1
703
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:10:00 -
[335] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: (Protip: Darius Johnson was not a dev when he first starting hanging with them. He was the CEO of Goonfleet. He then got the job and changed his online handle to CCP Sreegs)
And he went on to ban thousands upon thousands of bots. Whats the problem? |
baltec1
703
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:11:00 -
[336] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:
How come nobody likes to talk about his day job and where he is a web developer? By the way the new eve website looks great.
Nearly 25% of the goonfleet directorate gets checks with CCP written at the top...
Which naturally you have the evidence of. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2442
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:12:00 -
[337] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Karadion wrote:Which was never because Solo Drakban is actually a competent web admin. Solo Drakban is amazing, and does amazing work on our secret goonfleet dot com forums. How come nobody likes to talk about his day job and where he is a web developer? By the way the new eve website looks great. Nearly 25% of the goonfleet directorate gets checks with CCP written at the top... could you get my name added to the list thanks |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2442
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:12:00 -
[338] - Quote
i like checks |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:12:00 -
[339] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: (Protip: Darius Johnson was not a dev when he first starting hanging with them. He was the CEO of Goonfleet. He then got the job and changed his online handle to CCP Sreegs)
And he went on to ban thousands upon thousands of bots. Whats the problem? Goon bots? I think not. Keep following the trail friend.
(another hint, the only bots that get banned are high sec miners. Goons stockpile raw materials and wait for market fluctuations) |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
398
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:13:00 -
[340] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: (Protip: Darius Johnson was not a dev when he first starting hanging with them. He was the CEO of Goonfleet. He then got the job and changed his online handle to CCP Sreegs)
And he went on to ban thousands upon thousands of bots. Whats the problem?
Prove it, there are more bots now in the game than there ever have been.
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RDevz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:13:00 -
[341] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Karadion wrote:Which was never because Solo Drakban is actually a competent web admin. Solo Drakban is amazing, and does amazing work on our secret goonfleet dot com forums. How come nobody likes to talk about his day job and where he is a web developer? By the way the new eve website looks great. Nearly 25% of the goonfleet directorate gets checks with CCP written at the top... could you get my name added to the list thanks
Me, too. It can go into the "holy crap, bars in Iceland are expensive" fund. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
567
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:14:00 -
[342] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: (Protip: Darius Johnson was not a dev when he first starting hanging with them. He was the CEO of Goonfleet. He then got the job and changed his online handle to CCP Sreegs)
And he went on to ban thousands upon thousands of bots. Whats the problem? Prove it, there are more bots now in the game than there ever have been.
did i win our forum battle |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:16:00 -
[343] - Quote
I would really love someone to address why a goon (andski) could make a single thread requesting a sweeping change in rules enforcement and in short order not one but two reps from CCP visited it. One changed the rules and the other deleted all dissent...
Pubbies have been asking for protection from suicide ganking for years but nothing from CCP about it at all. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
398
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:16:00 -
[344] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
Who knows, maybe you're a new goon and you weren't around when he still played.
I'm actually like four months old. I think shouting DEVSWARM FEDERATION/CLUSTERDEV COALITION and claiming that GSF leadership are in contact with a senior developer at CCP because of agreement between the two parties on issues like titan tracking and technetium is really quite imbecilic. Would you much rather stumble about blindly in the dark and assume that there is player-dev collaboration, than actually assume that YES titans are broken and YES tech needs to be nerfed and YES GSF leadership and Stoffer both agree on this but that that just means that it's a bloody obvious problem rather than dev collaboration? Maybe i've been trolled, maybe you just want to see what you want to see. It just occurs to me that two people agreeing does not necessarily indicate underhand dealing, but that perhaps the issue on which agreement is reached just has a blatantly obvious conclusion!
As a four month old you should do some research about the company you play for, or the foreverwar your alliance fought against the last alliance that got inside help from devs (yes, this has happened before).
Don't think them above it, as they have proven time and again that they're not.
T20, or how about when people were mass duping Dyspro and many a ban were handed out, assets seized, only, one corp, went oddly unpunished for its dealings in that affair, and now we're up to Skreegs and Soundwave doing their thing. Like Skeegs directly banning Karttoon after he stole Goonswarm alliance (your original alliance), without a shred of evidence of him ever committing any wrong doing, and his only response to continued petitions being "you know what you did". You see Skreegs got kinda mad when he turned Goons over to Karttoon and he pulled the trigger, hence Karttoon being perma baned forever.
Its a cycle, player gets mad at other alliance getting Dev help, player gets job as dev, helps out old buddies. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2442
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:16:00 -
[345] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: (Protip: Darius Johnson was not a dev when he first starting hanging with them. He was the CEO of Goonfleet. He then got the job and changed his online handle to CCP Sreegs)
And he went on to ban thousands upon thousands of bots. Whats the problem? Prove it, there are more bots now in the game than there ever have been. many of which have been traced to pandemic legion accounts |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2442
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:17:00 -
[346] - Quote
in fact, all bots are pandemic legion bots |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:17:00 -
[347] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: (Protip: Darius Johnson was not a dev when he first starting hanging with them. He was the CEO of Goonfleet. He then got the job and changed his online handle to CCP Sreegs)
And he went on to ban thousands upon thousands of bots. Whats the problem? Prove it, there are more bots now in the game than there ever have been. many of which have been traced to pandemic legion accounts PL is pretty much one of the largest bot alliances there is v0v
If people in PL don't play nice eventually CCP Sreegs will get his marching orders and start looking at them too... So far it has just been high sec miners. |
baltec1
703
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:18:00 -
[348] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: Goon bots? I think not. Keep following the trail friend.
(another hint, the only bots that get banned are high sec miners. Goons stockpile raw materials and wait for market fluctuations)
If you think we dont police our space well enough why dont you come and go bot hunting like my corp has been doing in caldari space?
Also, whats stockpiling got to do with anything? |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:19:00 -
[349] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: Goon bots? I think not. Keep following the trail friend.
(another hint, the only bots that get banned are high sec miners. Goons stockpile raw materials and wait for market fluctuations)
If you think we dont police our space well enough why dont you come and go bot hunting like my corp has been doing in caldari space? Also, whats stockpiling got to do with anything? Who are you again?
Oh just another goon pubby pet... Nevermind. Moving on. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2442
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:20:00 -
[350] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: (Protip: Darius Johnson was not a dev when he first starting hanging with them. He was the CEO of Goonfleet. He then got the job and changed his online handle to CCP Sreegs)
And he went on to ban thousands upon thousands of bots. Whats the problem? Goon bots? I think not. Keep following the trail friend. (another hint, the only bots that get banned are high sec miners. Goons stockpile raw materials and wait for market fluctuations) actually no joke the best way to influence mineral prices would be banning drone region bots
look what the drone horde nerf did to mineral prices and that was just tweaking a broken anom |
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Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:22:00 -
[351] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:baltec1 wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: (Protip: Darius Johnson was not a dev when he first starting hanging with them. He was the CEO of Goonfleet. He then got the job and changed his online handle to CCP Sreegs)
And he went on to ban thousands upon thousands of bots. Whats the problem? Goon bots? I think not. Keep following the trail friend. (another hint, the only bots that get banned are high sec miners. Goons stockpile raw materials and wait for market fluctuations) actually no joke the best way to influence mineral prices would be banning drone region bots look what the drone horde nerf did to mineral prices and that was just tweaking a broken anom Watch this space...
(FYI the Russians are pretty scary guys. They take in game stuff pretty seriously out of game. Also money laundering) |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2442
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:23:00 -
[352] - Quote
the basic problem pandemic legion has is one player can easily bot up a titan, so they've got their members doing l4 bots in empire to supply their mains with titans, they've got an alliancewide program for l4 bot support to get people into titans
problem is, pandemic legion's bot-heavy model only works when you can buy success: nerf titans, and that collapses
grath is one of the people involved with this program which is why he's so upset: he's made a fair amount of cash selling people the bot and his income stream will dry up if titans get nerfed and new pl recruits no longer need them |
baltec1
703
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:24:00 -
[353] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: Who are you again?
Oh just another goon pubby pet... Nevermind. Moving on.
Slightly more important than you if the screams and crys of injustice on GD over the last 2 weeks are anything to go by. So I take it you have no interest in going bot hunting to prove your wild claims, none of which you have backed up. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:24:00 -
[354] - Quote
devswarm federation is so indoctrinated into ccp that not only do we get titan tracking nerfed, but we also get technetium nerfed despite the fact that we own a shitload of it |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:24:00 -
[355] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:the basic problem pandemic legion has is one player can easily bot up a titan, so they've got their members doing l4 bots in empire to supply their mains with titans, they've got an alliancewide program for l4 bot support to get people into titans
problem is, pandemic legion's bot-heavy model only works when you can buy success: nerf titans, and that collapses
grath is one of the people involved with this program which is why he's so upset: he's made a fair amount of cash selling people the bot and his income stream will dry up if titans get nerfed and new pl recruits no longer need them Goons are so smug now that they don't have to deal with botting themselves. Two years ago you guys wouldn't even talk about such things because it was the backbone to your fleets. Now you just get hurricanes and drakes seemingly out of thin air. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:25:00 -
[356] - Quote
Promiscuous Female wrote:devswarm federation is so indoctrinated into ccp that not only do we get titan tracking nerfed, but we also get technetium nerfed despite the fact that we own a shitload of it technetium nerf is going to hurt goonswarm's enemies far more than it hurts them. Tech is a thing of the past. |
The Groundskeeper
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
52
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:29:00 -
[357] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:the basic problem pandemic legion has is one player can easily bot up a titan, so they've got their members doing l4 bots in empire to supply their mains with titans, they've got an alliancewide program for l4 bot support to get people into titans
problem is, pandemic legion's bot-heavy model only works when you can buy success: nerf titans, and that collapses
grath is one of the people involved with this program which is why he's so upset: he's made a fair amount of cash selling people the bot and his income stream will dry up if titans get nerfed and new pl recruits no longer need them
This is bullshit and weaselior is trolling if anyone is interested. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:30:00 -
[358] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:devswarm federation is so indoctrinated into ccp that not only do we get titan tracking nerfed, but we also get technetium nerfed despite the fact that we own a shitload of it technetium nerf is going to hurt goonswarm's enemies far more than it hurts them. Tech is a thing of the past. its true, we're already shifting our alliance income away from reliance on tech
our plan is to win the alliance tournament every year |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
398
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:30:00 -
[359] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Weaselior wrote:the basic problem pandemic legion has is one player can easily bot up a titan, so they've got their members doing l4 bots in empire to supply their mains with titans, they've got an alliancewide program for l4 bot support to get people into titans
problem is, pandemic legion's bot-heavy model only works when you can buy success: nerf titans, and that collapses
grath is one of the people involved with this program which is why he's so upset: he's made a fair amount of cash selling people the bot and his income stream will dry up if titans get nerfed and new pl recruits no longer need them Goons are so smug now that they don't have to deal with botting themselves. Two years ago you guys wouldn't even talk about such things because it was the backbone to your fleets. Now you just get hurricanes and drakes seemingly out of thin air.
You see, thats weaseliors troll, he runs the Goons botting program, you can look it up on their wiki, they use innerspace, and python injection (look at mittani's latest sotg, where he outlines a new python injected program their using).
This is his weak attempt to flip that around onto me, the people that know, realize we've always persecuted people who use bots, and Goons have always said that its up to CCP to police those people. Thats why they got the adj after he left here, with his good dozen bots and his buddy we booted for botting, instantly found a home in goonswarm.
You see, Weaselior has started telling outright lies because at this point the flaws in his argument have become so blatant and evident that he has nothing left.
When the summer nerf comes and its not what he expects, he'll probably rage quit like the tantrum throwing baby that he is. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
20
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:30:00 -
[360] - Quote
The Groundskeeper wrote:Weaselior wrote:the basic problem pandemic legion has is one player can easily bot up a titan, so they've got their members doing l4 bots in empire to supply their mains with titans, they've got an alliancewide program for l4 bot support to get people into titans
problem is, pandemic legion's bot-heavy model only works when you can buy success: nerf titans, and that collapses
grath is one of the people involved with this program which is why he's so upset: he's made a fair amount of cash selling people the bot and his income stream will dry up if titans get nerfed and new pl recruits no longer need them This is bullshit and weaselior is trolling if anyone is interested. pl parachute detected |
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:31:00 -
[361] - Quote
With our alliance tournament money we will lead a fleet of maelstroms to literally conquer eve |
baltec1
703
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:31:00 -
[362] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Weaselior wrote:the basic problem pandemic legion has is one player can easily bot up a titan, so they've got their members doing l4 bots in empire to supply their mains with titans, they've got an alliancewide program for l4 bot support to get people into titans
problem is, pandemic legion's bot-heavy model only works when you can buy success: nerf titans, and that collapses
grath is one of the people involved with this program which is why he's so upset: he's made a fair amount of cash selling people the bot and his income stream will dry up if titans get nerfed and new pl recruits no longer need them Goons are so smug now that they don't have to deal with botting themselves. Two years ago you guys wouldn't even talk about such things because it was the backbone to your fleets. Now you just get hurricanes and drakes seemingly out of thin air.
When tech earns enough to not only fund free canes and drakes but pay people to lose them it might look like they fall out of thin air to someone not in the know. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:31:00 -
[363] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote: You see, thats weaseliors troll, he runs the Goons botting program, you can look it up on their wiki, they use innerspace, and python injection (look at mittani's latest sotg, where he outlines a new python injected program their using).
i hear isboxer is botting software c/d
|
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:32:00 -
[364] - Quote
i also hear that isboxer is python injected |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:33:00 -
[365] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Weaselior wrote:the basic problem pandemic legion has is one player can easily bot up a titan, so they've got their members doing l4 bots in empire to supply their mains with titans, they've got an alliancewide program for l4 bot support to get people into titans
problem is, pandemic legion's bot-heavy model only works when you can buy success: nerf titans, and that collapses
grath is one of the people involved with this program which is why he's so upset: he's made a fair amount of cash selling people the bot and his income stream will dry up if titans get nerfed and new pl recruits no longer need them Goons are so smug now that they don't have to deal with botting themselves. Two years ago you guys wouldn't even talk about such things because it was the backbone to your fleets. Now you just get hurricanes and drakes seemingly out of thin air. You see, thats weaseliors troll, he runs the Goons botting program, you can look it up on their wiki, they use innerspace, and python injection (look at mittani's latest sotg, where he outlines a new python injected program their using). This is his weak attempt to flip that around onto me, the people that know, realize we've always persecuted people who use bots, and Goons have always said that its up to CCP to police those people. Thats why they got the adj after he left here, with his good dozen bots and his buddy we booted for botting, instantly found a home in goonswarm. You see, Weaselior has started telling outright lies because at this point the flaws in his argument have become so blatant and evident that he has nothing left. When the summer nerf comes and its not what he expects, he'll probably rage quit like the tantrum throwing baby that he is. I know for a fact that they don't allow former PL players in any of the goonswarm corps. I have a spy that I got into one of the pubby ones and they went over employment history with a fine toothed comb.
Also I am kind of on your side dude. I am telling it like it is. Don't pretend that your dudes aren't botting though. It is a common site in your space... |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:33:00 -
[366] - Quote
isboxer is p cool for multiboxing, lets you broadcast mouse and keyboard **** and keep multiple eve windows open and shrunk at the same time |
The Groundskeeper
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
54
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:33:00 -
[367] - Quote
Promiscuous Female wrote:The Groundskeeper wrote:Weaselior wrote:the basic problem pandemic legion has is one player can easily bot up a titan, so they've got their members doing l4 bots in empire to supply their mains with titans, they've got an alliancewide program for l4 bot support to get people into titans
problem is, pandemic legion's bot-heavy model only works when you can buy success: nerf titans, and that collapses
grath is one of the people involved with this program which is why he's so upset: he's made a fair amount of cash selling people the bot and his income stream will dry up if titans get nerfed and new pl recruits no longer need them This is bullshit and weaselior is trolling if anyone is interested. pl parachute detected
well, that would be a bit of a turn-up for the books if the head of the GIA joined PL. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2442
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:33:00 -
[368] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:You see, thats weaseliors troll, he runs the Goons botting program, you can look it up on their wiki, they use innerspace, and python injection (look at mittani's latest sotg, where he outlines a new python injected program their using).
This is his weak attempt to flip that around onto me, the people that know, realize we've always persecuted people who use bots, and Goons have always said that its up to CCP to police those people. Thats why they got the adj after he left here, with his good dozen bots and his buddy we booted for botting, instantly found a home in goonswarm.
You see, Weaselior has started telling outright lies because at this point the flaws in his argument have become so blatant and evident that he has nothing left.
When the summer nerf comes and its not what he expects, he'll probably rage quit like the tantrum throwing baby that he is. saying 'i know you are but what am i' is a pretty lame way to play this game |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:36:00 -
[369] - Quote
The fact remains that goons don't even have to bot anymore because what they have going on now is far more shady and horrible. Watch for the scandal to break. The seams are already cracking. T20 will look like a minor accident after this.
Ever wonder why they stopped the ice interdiction? Why they didn't flip out about the coming tech nerf? |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
398
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:40:00 -
[370] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: I know for a fact that they don't allow former PL players in any of the goonswarm corps. I have a spy that I got into one of the pubby ones and they went over employment history with a fine toothed comb.
Also I am kind of on your side dude. I am telling it like it is. Don't pretend that your dudes aren't botting though. It is a common site in your space...
1) Look up TheAdj, or Berious.
Goons will take exPL guys just like they'll take anybody else.
2) We don't have space.
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baltec1
703
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:41:00 -
[371] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:The fact remains that goons don't even have to bot anymore because what they have going on now is far more shady and horrible. Watch for the scandal to break. The seams are already cracking. T20 will look like a minor accident after this.
Like the book of scientology, only he may look at the mountains of evidence he has to prove this. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:41:00 -
[372] - Quote
let me tell you about the pl recruitment blacklist |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:41:00 -
[373] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: I know for a fact that they don't allow former PL players in any of the goonswarm corps. I have a spy that I got into one of the pubby ones and they went over employment history with a fine toothed comb.
Also I am kind of on your side dude. I am telling it like it is. Don't pretend that your dudes aren't botting though. It is a common site in your space...
1) Look up TheAdj, or Berious. Goons will take exPL guys just like they'll take anybody else. 2) We don't have space. Oh yeah I forgot that you guys are wolf packs or something now. Sorry the area of low sec that you hang out in. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2442
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:42:00 -
[374] - Quote
it was not i who clubbed the professor to death with the pipe...it was you! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2202
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:43:00 -
[375] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:You see, thats weaseliors troll, he runs the Goons botting program, you can look it up on their wiki, they use innerspace, and python injection (look at mittani's latest sotg, where he outlines a new python injected program their using).
This is his weak attempt to flip that around onto me, the people that know, realize we've always persecuted people who use bots, and Goons have always said that its up to CCP to police those people. Thats why they got the adj after he left here, with his good dozen bots and his buddy we booted for botting, instantly found a home in goonswarm.
You see, Weaselior has started telling outright lies because at this point the flaws in his argument have become so blatant and evident that he has nothing left.
When the summer nerf comes and its not what he expects, he'll probably rage quit like the tantrum throwing baby that he is.
you should have one of your many spies present that wiki article "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:43:00 -
[376] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Oh yeah I forgot that you guys are wolf packs or something now. Sorry the area of low sec that you hang out in. if they keep losing supercarriers in the south they'll have to go back to amamake to farm their kdr back up |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
602
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:44:00 -
[377] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:You see, thats weaseliors troll, he runs the Goons botting program, you can look it up on their wiki, they use innerspace, and python injection (look at mittani's latest sotg, where he outlines a new python injected program their using). I did a search for "bot" on our wiki the other day, and I didn't exactly find anything interesting. Care to share the URL? I can almost afford a titan already through market fuckery, but I think I want to earn enough for 2-3 titans, so I need the botting guide which I can't find. |
Johan Krieger
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
87
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:45:00 -
[378] - Quote
Promiscuous Female wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Oh yeah I forgot that you guys are wolf packs or something now. Sorry the area of low sec that you hang out in. if they keep losing supercarriers in the south they'll have to go back to amamake to farm their kdr back up
Or cobalt edge. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2202
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:46:00 -
[379] - Quote
Promiscuous Female wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Oh yeah I forgot that you guys are wolf packs or something now. Sorry the area of low sec that you hang out in. if they keep losing supercarriers in the south they'll have to go back to amamake to farm their kdr back up
PL shield super pilots are too elite for shield hardwirings "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2442
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:47:00 -
[380] - Quote
it is true
i cannot resist botting, it is why i coded this incredibly well-done posting bot
it really only works well against grath and posters of similarly low quality right now though since against posters of mediocre skill or better it can get overwhelmed |
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
569
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:48:00 -
[381] - Quote
having trouble finding this botting page on the wiki |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2443
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:50:00 -
[382] - Quote
the goonswarm wiki has been leaked so many times
all my botting secrets...out in the wild for anyone to see... |
Death2all Supercaps
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:50:00 -
[383] - Quote
is it too late to announce my candidacy for CSM? |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
569
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 23:54:00 -
[384] - Quote
Death2all Supercaps wrote:is it too late to announce my candidacy for CSM?
what's your platform? |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
398
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:08:00 -
[385] - Quote
You seem to care a lot about this issue Weaselior, your posting like Jade Constantine up in this thread. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
398
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:10:00 -
[386] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:having trouble finding this botting page on the wiki I've only publicly been calling you on it since it was posted, if its been removed by now i wouldn't be ~shocked~ |
Jihzma Mei
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
47
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:12:00 -
[387] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:You seem to care a lot about this issue Weaselior, your posting like Jade Constantine up in this thread.
Serious question Grath.
If one of the reasons to keep Supers in their present state is content for older players to train, what happens when everyone is in a Titan?
Obviously Titans need to be worth the cost and effort of obtaining one but the emphasis shouldn't be so clear as to make everyone train for (and eventually fly) a Titan. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2444
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Posted - 2012.02.25 00:15:00 -
[388] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:You seem to care a lot about this issue Weaselior, your posting like Jade Constantine up in this thread. you have joined such luminaries as terrible nameless csm candidate #8 in pulling out the dreaded "you like to post" burn |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2444
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:15:00 -
[389] - Quote
i keep half expecting to see a "and that's why you should vote for me, a walking joke, the goons fear me" right after that post |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2444
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:17:00 -
[390] - Quote
really though it's that my posting bot has detected weakness from a badposter and is moving in for the kill |
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.02.25 00:18:00 -
[391] - Quote
i hear it is possible to outright delete pages from wikis and that they are not actually a document version control system with no concept of deletion at all |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2203
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:20:00 -
[392] - Quote
hi, games where only one class of ships matter are bad games "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
569
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:20:00 -
[393] - Quote
but with CCP's help surely we can delete information from wikis, after all we are very friendly with SREEEEEEEEEEEGS and stoffer |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1661
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:22:00 -
[394] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:You seem to care a lot about this issue Weaselior, your posting like Jade Constantine up in this thread.
Some of us are just really, really excited to see you this mad about a spaceship game. Goons post a lot when they are excited.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.02.25 00:23:00 -
[395] - Quote
well to be fair we mostly just post a lot
but madposting does make our posting rate flare up like a herpes bloom |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
459
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:24:00 -
[396] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Weaselior wrote:the basic problem pandemic legion has is one player can easily bot up a titan, so they've got their members doing l4 bots in empire to supply their mains with titans, they've got an alliancewide program for l4 bot support to get people into titans
problem is, pandemic legion's bot-heavy model only works when you can buy success: nerf titans, and that collapses
grath is one of the people involved with this program which is why he's so upset: he's made a fair amount of cash selling people the bot and his income stream will dry up if titans get nerfed and new pl recruits no longer need them Goons are so smug now that they don't have to deal with botting themselves. Two years ago you guys wouldn't even talk about such things because it was the backbone to your fleets. Now you just get hurricanes and drakes seemingly out of thin air. You see, thats weaseliors troll, he runs the Goons botting program, you can look it up on their wiki, they use innerspace, and python injection (look at mittani's latest sotg, where he outlines a new python injected program their using). This is his weak attempt to flip that around onto me, the people that know, realize we've always persecuted people who use bots, and Goons have always said that its up to CCP to police those people. Thats why they got the adj after he left here, with his good dozen bots and his buddy we booted for botting, instantly found a home in goonswarm. You see, Weaselior has started telling outright lies because at this point the flaws in his argument have become so blatant and evident that he has nothing left. When the summer nerf comes and its not what he expects, he'll probably rage quit like the tantrum throwing baby that he is. Isboxer? Pretty sure that's legitimate. (9:06 PM) aaronkb@optonlin: all of your deeds wil be forgiven if u go on cam and pose nude for me-á |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2444
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:24:00 -
[397] - Quote
Promiscuous Female wrote:well to be fair we mostly just post a lot
but madposting does make our posting rate flare up like a herpes bloom fortunately goons are naturally resistant to herpes |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
22
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:26:00 -
[398] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:well to be fair we mostly just post a lot
but madposting does make our posting rate flare up like a herpes bloom fortunately goons are naturally resistant to herpes gotta have sex to get the herp |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
398
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:31:00 -
[399] - Quote
Karadion wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Weaselior wrote:the basic problem pandemic legion has is one player can easily bot up a titan, so they've got their members doing l4 bots in empire to supply their mains with titans, they've got an alliancewide program for l4 bot support to get people into titans
problem is, pandemic legion's bot-heavy model only works when you can buy success: nerf titans, and that collapses
grath is one of the people involved with this program which is why he's so upset: he's made a fair amount of cash selling people the bot and his income stream will dry up if titans get nerfed and new pl recruits no longer need them Goons are so smug now that they don't have to deal with botting themselves. Two years ago you guys wouldn't even talk about such things because it was the backbone to your fleets. Now you just get hurricanes and drakes seemingly out of thin air. You see, thats weaseliors troll, he runs the Goons botting program, you can look it up on their wiki, they use innerspace, and python injection (look at mittani's latest sotg, where he outlines a new python injected program their using). This is his weak attempt to flip that around onto me, the people that know, realize we've always persecuted people who use bots, and Goons have always said that its up to CCP to police those people. Thats why they got the adj after he left here, with his good dozen bots and his buddy we booted for botting, instantly found a home in goonswarm. You see, Weaselior has started telling outright lies because at this point the flaws in his argument have become so blatant and evident that he has nothing left. When the summer nerf comes and its not what he expects, he'll probably rage quit like the tantrum throwing baby that he is. Isboxer? Pretty sure that's legitimate.
Hey, no sweat, as long as we're "Opening CCPs eyes" to thing around here, I guess we'll go out of our way to point out that ISboxer uses Python Injection to achieve some of what it does.
I hear CCP are big fans of Python Injection.
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
569
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:32:00 -
[400] - Quote
i'll inject you with my python |
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.02.25 00:35:00 -
[401] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Hey, no sweat, as long as we're "Opening CCPs eyes" to thing around here, I guess we'll go out of our way to point out that ISboxer uses Python Injection to achieve some of what it does.
I hear CCP are big fans of Python Injection.
is this :grandma: serious |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.02.25 00:36:00 -
[402] - Quote
oh **** I totally missed the snipe
SHAMEFUL |
Primemary
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:40:00 -
[403] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Death2all Supercaps wrote:is it too late to announce my candidacy for CSM? what's your platform?
O_O
DEATH TO ALL SUPERCAPS |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
602
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:47:00 -
[404] - Quote
What about the SOV system? |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2445
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:50:00 -
[405] - Quote
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:i'll inject you with my python grath is not a fan of python injection given what a fan of it his mother is |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2445
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:50:00 -
[406] - Quote
brings back a lot of weird memories |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2445
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 00:56:00 -
[407] - Quote
Primemary wrote:Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Death2all Supercaps wrote:is it too late to announce my candidacy for CSM? what's your platform? O_O DEATH TO ALL SUPERCAPS not your platform his platform |
Esbelta
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 01:06:00 -
[408] - Quote
Hey guys, I'm a newbee, what is wrong with Grath? Was it a Goon who exposed his mom's love of python injection? Or is he cranky from hanging out in lowsec? |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1664
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 01:25:00 -
[409] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Hey, no sweat, as long as we're "Opening CCPs eyes" to thing around here, I guess we'll go out of our way to point out that ISboxer uses Python Injection to achieve some of what it does.
I hear CCP are big fans of Python Injection.
Post of the year right here, folks.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1664
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 01:26:00 -
[410] - Quote
Grath and Riverini on the same side of the great ISboxer debate. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
398
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 01:39:00 -
[411] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Grath and Riverini on the same side of the great ISboxer debate.
Low blow.
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Death2all Supercaps
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.02.25 02:27:00 -
[412] - Quote
lets just all agree you should all nominate me **** it lets play tanks |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 02:29:00 -
[413] - Quote
Death2all Supercaps wrote:lets just all agree you should all nominate me **** it lets play tanks
Finally, a candidate I can get behind. |
Jyn Uin
The Maverick Navy Against ALL Authorities
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 02:41:00 -
[414] - Quote
nerf titan tracking, titans shouldn't be blapping subcaps, especially anything smaller then a battleship |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
398
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 03:00:00 -
[415] - Quote
Welcome to page 21, your argument is on page 2 and would like to have a word with you. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
165
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 03:32:00 -
[416] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:I hear CCP are big fans of Python Injection. Oh, always good to know about CCP's preferences.
That's sounds like some kind of reference to something. Like the domi thread? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
520
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Posted - 2012.02.25 04:14:00 -
[417] - Quote
Hey what's going on here dudes |
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Sendo Jarix
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
16
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 04:19:00 -
[418] - Quote
Lots of sperging going on that's what. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 04:21:00 -
[419] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey what's going on here dudes
lots of drama you guys better deliver for inferno or else all this bend up emotions will be spent on tissue paper |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
520
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 04:23:00 -
[420] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey what's going on here dudes lots of drama you guys better deliver for inferno or else all this bend up emotions will be spent on tissue paper
I thought Crucible would be pretty good but the next inferno is pretty much Crucible times 1000. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but it's look pretty sweet. |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.25 04:24:00 -
[421] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:MeBiatch wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey what's going on here dudes lots of drama you guys better deliver for inferno or else all this bend up emotions will be spent on tissue paper I thought Crucible would be pretty good but Inferno is pretty much Crucible times 1000. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but it's look pretty sweet.
so that would mean further iteration on failente right! |
BBJ Shepard
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
216
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 04:27:00 -
[422] - Quote
wogh boh hoh ?(: |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.02.25 04:28:00 -
[423] - Quote
nm just having a feelings jam about titan tracking and xl guns |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 04:28:00 -
[424] - Quote
BBJ Shepard wrote:wogh boh hoh
dont tell tell me.., thats kiligon for dont nerft my op ship right? |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
22
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Posted - 2012.02.25 04:34:00 -
[425] - Quote
so if the next expansion is "inferno" does that mean that the expansion after that will be "Trauma" |
Death2all Supercaps
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.02.25 04:35:00 -
[426] - Quote
thanks for breaking the broadcasts system soundwave. im blaming you for it. its crap now. why you guys always break stuff that worked just fine |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
165
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 04:41:00 -
[427] - Quote
Promiscuous Female wrote:so if the next expansion is "inferno" does that mean that the expansion after that will be "Trauma" Nova
And the return of AoE doomsdays. Nova Launchers.
AoE Doomsdays, proudly brought to you by "titans are balanced" ~elite pvp~. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
35
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Posted - 2012.02.25 05:57:00 -
[428] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:MeBiatch wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey what's going on here dudes lots of drama you guys better deliver for inferno or else all this bend up emotions will be spent on tissue paper I thought Crucible would be pretty good but the next inferno is pretty much Crucible times 1000. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but it's look pretty sweet.
Are you infering that it's awesome? |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Tactical Invader Syndicate
199
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 06:27:00 -
[429] - Quote
Mynas Atoch wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:MeBiatch wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey what's going on here dudes lots of drama you guys better deliver for inferno or else all this bend up emotions will be spent on tissue paper I thought Crucible would be pretty good but the next inferno is pretty much Crucible times 1000. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but it's look pretty sweet. Are you infering that it's awesome? Everytime :awesome: is typed in the eve forums a 1000 hamsters die. Awsome has been banned from use from CCP devs |
Bob Niac
Tears of Redemption NEM3SIS.
12
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Posted - 2012.02.25 07:35:00 -
[430] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:MeBiatch wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey what's going on here dudes lots of drama you guys better deliver for inferno or else all this bend up emotions will be spent on tissue paper I thought Crucible would be pretty good but the next inferno is pretty much Crucible times 1000. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but it's look pretty sweet.
So this means hell hasn't frozen over and i trained for every single T2 caldari ship for a logi (har har) reason? Yeah that's right.. Logi pilot wants some destroyers without teeth.
Step One: AF fixes lead to T2 assault destroyers Step Two: Wolf packs become awesome, logi and ewar added. ???? Step Four: iWin button threadnaught causes major PROFIT!
Side note: what is thread about? I have most of goon HC on ignore.. I <3 Logistics: Pilot of all -áT2 logi and my shiny Archon [deceased.] Also a Chimera which may or may not be horrid. I don't make games, I play them. I get that ppl are passionate about change. I post here to plant seeds. You see your idea as is? Holy **** you win! So let's post, and see what the DEVs and our peers use. |
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Bob Niac
Tears of Redemption NEM3SIS.
12
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Posted - 2012.02.25 07:46:00 -
[431] - Quote
Oh derp.. Grasts on the twins m8! Remember protective services recommends against child labor, so no alt mining until at LEAST kindergarten. I know free iskies can be tempting, especially with 2 nubs in the corp, but the r/l GMs can wardec you and blow up your POS.. Even in 1.0 space. They got an in in CONCORD methinks.
Ooc: seriously m8 take you time. The american way is no where as cushy. I <3 Logistics: Pilot of all -áT2 logi and my shiny Archon [deceased.] Also a Chimera which may or may not be horrid. I don't make games, I play them. I get that ppl are passionate about change. I post here to plant seeds. You see your idea as is? Holy **** you win! So let's post, and see what the DEVs and our peers use. |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
470
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Posted - 2012.02.25 07:56:00 -
[432] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:MeBiatch wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey what's going on here dudes lots of drama you guys better deliver for inferno or else all this bend up emotions will be spent on tissue paper I thought Crucible would be pretty good but the next inferno is pretty much Crucible times 1000. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but it's look pretty sweet.
Care to drop any more information that will cause another twenty pages of crap that belongs in COAD?
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Mekhana
Spiritus Draconis
426
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Posted - 2012.02.25 08:16:00 -
[433] - Quote
A complete remake of Gallente ship bonuses, stats and slot configuration would be nice. If nerfing everyone else is out of the question.
After that comes the Caldari gunboats, which also need love. |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.02.25 09:11:00 -
[434] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:devswarm federation is so indoctrinated into ccp that not only do we get titan tracking nerfed, but we also get technetium nerfed despite the fact that we own a shitload of it technetium nerf is going to hurt goonswarm's enemies far more than it hurts them. Tech is a thing of the past. who needs tech for we have POCO taxes |
baltec1
704
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 09:20:00 -
[435] - Quote
CCP Soundwave wrote:MeBiatch wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey what's going on here dudes lots of drama you guys better deliver for inferno or else all this bend up emotions will be spent on tissue paper I thought Crucible would be pretty good but the next inferno is pretty much Crucible times 1000. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but it's look pretty sweet.
I hope this means deep space transports will finally get a turret slot. |
BrokenBC
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
15
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Posted - 2012.02.25 15:14:00 -
[436] - Quote
So All Anyone has to do is field 500 dreads.Thats it just 500.I trillion isk worth of ships.Sounds totally doable to me.Titans are just fine as they are folks all it takes is 500 dreads. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.25 15:50:00 -
[437] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:MeBiatch wrote:CCP Soundwave wrote:Hey what's going on here dudes lots of drama you guys better deliver for inferno or else all this bend up emotions will be spent on tissue paper I thought Crucible would be pretty good but the next inferno is pretty much Crucible times 1000. I don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but it's look pretty sweet. Care to drop any more information that will cause another twenty pages of crap that belongs in COAD?
CAOD?!?!? meh it has not been interesting since 08... this thread is more entertainmenting then coad is any day of the week...
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.25 16:07:00 -
[438] - Quote
BrokenBC wrote:So All Anyone has to do is field 500 dreads.Thats it just 500.I trillion isk worth of ships.Sounds totally doable to me.Titans are just fine as they are folks all it takes is 500 dreads.
i'll say this again we are missing cap ships from the game...
dreads need freinds...
we need Juggernauts that are capital tacklers...
they use an infinity point and have capital nuets... (a few of these babies will make people think twice about hot dropping everyting in the super caps)
second is a BC version of a BS... a ship the size of a Freighter but uses capital sized weapons like teir 3 bc's... and has the tank of tier I bs...
add these two ships to the game and titan blobs will be running for d hills |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.02.25 16:26:00 -
[439] - Quote
Battlebattleship.
Sounds like a great concept... Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.25 16:36:00 -
[440] - Quote
i think a good name for the ship would be CAS (Capital Assualt Ship) |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2462
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Posted - 2012.02.25 16:36:00 -
[441] - Quote
more capships would be good as long as anyone thinking about making a new supercap gets stuffed in a trashcan |
baltec1
708
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Posted - 2012.02.25 16:37:00 -
[442] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:BrokenBC wrote:So All Anyone has to do is field 500 dreads.Thats it just 500.I trillion isk worth of ships.Sounds totally doable to me.Titans are just fine as they are folks all it takes is 500 dreads. i'll say this again we are missing cap ships from the game... dreads need freinds... we need Juggernauts that are capital tacklers... they use an infinity point and have capital nuets... (a few of these babies will make people think twice about hot dropping everyting in the super caps)
They tried this once and called them heavy dictors. A heavy cruiser ment for tackling capitals with enough tank to be able to be repped by a fleet. Titans alpha them. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
603
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Posted - 2012.02.25 16:39:00 -
[443] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:more capships would be good as long as anyone thinking about making a new supercap gets stuffed in a trashcan Hypercaps. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.25 16:42:00 -
[444] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:MeBiatch wrote:BrokenBC wrote:So All Anyone has to do is field 500 dreads.Thats it just 500.I trillion isk worth of ships.Sounds totally doable to me.Titans are just fine as they are folks all it takes is 500 dreads. i'll say this again we are missing cap ships from the game... dreads need freinds... we need Juggernauts that are capital tacklers... they use an infinity point and have capital nuets... (a few of these babies will make people think twice about hot dropping everyting in the super caps) They tried this once and called them heavy dictors. A heavy cruiser ment for tackling capitals with enough tank to be able to be repped by a fleet. Titans alpha them.
true enough... titan would have to use its DDD on the jugger to kill it... plus capital nuets would make RR rather difficult to keep the turtle tanks going...
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Angel Lust
Vikinghall
36
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:25:00 -
[445] - Quote
So... EVE online turns out to be... Goons online.. ? CCP please clarify ... |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:33:00 -
[446] - Quote
Titans are the only things stopping Goons from taking over 0.0 and carving out regions for indentured servants to mine minerals to build heavily subsidized titans for high-sec suicide ganking.
Please don't nerf titans, CCP. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:35:00 -
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Lanasak wrote:Titans are the only things stopping Goons from taking over 0.0 and carving out regions for indentured servants to mine minerals to build heavily subsidized titans for high-sec suicide ganking.
Please don't nerf titans, CCP. FYI, goons want to nerf titans because they don't have enough titan capable pilots. They can buy the characters but are lacking the skillset. This is a fact. Mittani has already had long secret conversations with the devs about these things. It will come and it will only hurt the real Eve pvpers... |
Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:37:00 -
[448] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Lanasak wrote:Titans are the only things stopping Goons from taking over 0.0 and carving out regions for indentured servants to mine minerals to build heavily subsidized titans for high-sec suicide ganking.
Please don't nerf titans, CCP. FYI, goons want to nerf titans because they don't have enough titan capable pilots. They can buy the characters but are lacking the skillset. This is a fact. Mittani has already had long secret conversations with the devs about these things. It will come and it will only hurt the real Eve pvpers...
I agree. The older players with titans deserve their advantage. They manually ratted and trained skills for years to get the ships. They should curbstomp everyone else unopposed. |
Tore Vest
250
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:39:00 -
[449] - Quote
Is it true that CCP Soundwave have a secret alt in Goonswarm ? A real highsec carebear. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2209
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:43:00 -
[450] - Quote
Tore Vest wrote:Is it true that CCP Soundwave have a secret alt in Goonswarm ?
have a supercap and a pulse? welcome to PL! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Tore Vest
251
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:55:00 -
[451] - Quote
Andski wrote:
have a supercap and a pulse?
Was that a yes.... or no ? A real highsec carebear. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:57:00 -
[452] - Quote
Tore Vest wrote:Is it true that CCP Soundwave have a secret alt in Goonswarm ? It is not a huge secret that he does. The only secret is which one...
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2012.02.25 18:12:00 -
[453] - Quote
It is I. |
baltec1
708
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Posted - 2012.02.25 18:29:00 -
[454] - Quote
Lanasak wrote:Titans are the only things stopping Goons from taking over 0.0 and carving out regions for indentured servants to mine minerals to build heavily subsidized titans for high-sec suicide ganking.
Please don't nerf titans, CCP.
This is why the NC took over all of 0.0 before titans were brought about.
Oh wai... |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2012.02.25 18:30:00 -
[455] - Quote
We definitely must have titans so we can suicide hulks in hisec. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.02.25 18:34:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:We definitely must have titans so we can suicide hulks in hisec. Are you denying that goons want to nerf titans since they don't care about them themselves? Look at how poorly you guys are doing vs. Raiden. currently. Every single battle you guys end up running from if it even smells slightly like a titan is nearby. It is just metagaming by drinking with the devs to get them to make changes of course but don't pretend it doesn't happen. Russians do things like try to cut people's power during an important fleet battle and you guys finesse things out of game through connections... |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.25 18:38:00 -
[457] - Quote
yeah seriously dont neft titans just make counters to them... like new ships!
hell balance by the nerf is boring but new ships are shiny and something for me to train for... i mean i ran out of things to train for a while ago and am working on ammar drone specialisation v cuss i am bored...
give me something meaning full to train for |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2012.02.25 18:40:00 -
[458] - Quote
Yeah, let's make hypercaps. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2209
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Posted - 2012.02.25 18:45:00 -
[459] - Quote
Lord Zim wrote:Yeah, let's make hypercaps.
Indeed, seed the BPOs for 50b and that'll ensure their rarity! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2012.02.25 18:49:00 -
[460] - Quote
Make the materials requirement so high they'll cost 500b, and make them take 6 months to build. |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.25 18:50:00 -
[461] - Quote
Andski wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Yeah, let's make hypercaps. Indeed, seed the BPOs for 50b and that'll ensure their rarity!
hypercaps sounds i dunno... sounds like they are bigger and better then super caps...
how about CAS capital assualt ships?
they sound cool to me...
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2012.02.25 19:00:00 -
[462] - Quote
Well duh, with the mudflation we've got now, and with the prevalence of supercaps, it's only logical that we create something new for the older players to train for. And I mean, we need something awesome, and supercaps just aren't awesome anymore, they're commonplace. Bring back the awe, CCP! |
testobjekt
Creative Accounting Institute
90
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Posted - 2012.02.25 19:21:00 -
[463] - Quote
will hypercaps be able to blab subcaps aswell? they would be very expansive and have long training times, cleary they should be able to blap interceptors! |
Esbelta
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.02.25 19:27:00 -
[464] - Quote
Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Tore Vest wrote:Is it true that CCP Soundwave have a secret alt in Goonswarm ? It is not a huge secret that he does. The only secret is which one...
I am CCP Soundwave
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
182
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Posted - 2012.02.25 19:51:00 -
[465] - Quote
no i am spartacus! |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1419
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Posted - 2012.02.25 22:34:00 -
[466] - Quote
poor Tallest, his YAY BABIES thread has turned into something too long for me to bother reading what it's about
someone care to give me tl;dr? CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
605
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Posted - 2012.02.25 22:50:00 -
[467] - Quote
TL/DR: grr goons are hacking the gibson |
Berke Negri
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.02.25 22:54:00 -
[468] - Quote
we are all literally ccp soundwave |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
28
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Posted - 2012.02.25 23:09:00 -
[469] - Quote
Grey Azorria wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Some follow-up feedback on that hybrid change would be great for us to see, but "buffed" should never mean "new FotM". Blasters are fine as they are now. Blasters may be fine, but how about rails? Rails are fine as they are now.
Don't whine that they still lack a niche. They aren't underpowered. In fact they're like beam lasers with less damage and capacitor cost, but with more damage mods on the ships instead of capacitor cost reductions. So yeah, they're like beam lasers. Stop whining.
-edit- CCP Punkturis, this is exactly what this thread is about.
WHEN ARE HYBRIDS GONNA BE FIXEDED!!1 But they got fixeded. BUT WHEN ARE THEY GONNA!!1 |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1419
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Posted - 2012.02.25 23:22:00 -
[470] - Quote
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Grey Azorria wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:Some follow-up feedback on that hybrid change would be great for us to see, but "buffed" should never mean "new FotM". Blasters are fine as they are now. Blasters may be fine, but how about rails? Rails are fine as they are now. Don't whine that they still lack a niche. They aren't underpowered. In fact they're like beam lasers with less damage and capacitor cost, but with more damage mods on the ships instead of capacitor cost reductions. So yeah, they're like beam lasers. Stop whining. -edit- CCP Punkturis, this is exactly what this thread is about. WHEN ARE HYBRIDS GONNA BE FIXEDED!!1 But they got fixeded. BUT WHEN ARE THEY GONNA!!1
I'm so glad I'm not a game designer. Must be the least rewarding job No matter what my poor friends do, there's always somebody going to hate them for it. CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3061
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Posted - 2012.02.26 00:38:00 -
[471] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:poor Tallest, his YAY BABIES thread has turned into something too long for me to bother reading what it's about someone care to give me tl;dr?
"Nerf paper; scissors are fine"
- Rock Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Psilocin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
20
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Posted - 2012.02.26 01:12:00 -
[472] - Quote
Clearly since I paid $1m for this Ferrari I should not be subject to the same road rules as everyone else! |
Grey Azorria
Viziam Amarr Empire
84
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Posted - 2012.02.26 01:21:00 -
[473] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:poor Tallest, his YAY BABIES thread has turned into something too long for me to bother reading what it's about someone care to give me tl;dr? "Nerf the Bazooka; scissors are fine" - Paper FYP
(Also 'grats to Tallest on his (proably not so) little ones.) Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Jethro Campbell
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.26 02:04:00 -
[474] - Quote
I volunteer to take any spare titans that the rage-quitting titan pilots wish to get rid of.
I'll need something to guard the POS I'm setting my [strike]meth[/strike] booster lab up in.
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Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
606
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Posted - 2012.02.26 02:20:00 -
[475] - Quote
Grey Azorria wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Yeah, let's make hypercaps. Please be joking... Lets not replace the aforementioned bazooka with an IBCM. Don't worry, they'll be so expensive and hard to manufacture there'll never be too many of them. What could possibly go wrong? |
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
122
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Posted - 2012.02.26 09:14:00 -
[476] - Quote
Psilocin wrote:Clearly since I paid $1m for this Ferrari I should not be subject to the same road rules as everyone else!
Really? A MY FERRARI reference? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2215
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Posted - 2012.02.26 13:56:00 -
[477] - Quote
Ganthrithor wrote:Psilocin wrote:Clearly since I paid $1m for this Ferrari I should not be subject to the same road rules as everyone else! Really? A MY FERRARI reference?
this thread has seen worse lows "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
159
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Posted - 2012.02.26 15:02:00 -
[478] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:I'm so glad I'm not a game designer. Must be the least rewarding job No matter what my poor friends do, there's always somebody going to hate them for it.
No worries, we whine just as bad when you mess up our UI ;)
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1423
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Posted - 2012.02.26 18:25:00 -
[479] - Quote
Lors Dornick wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:I'm so glad I'm not a game designer. Must be the least rewarding job No matter what my poor friends do, there's always somebody going to hate them for it. No worries, we whine just as bad when you mess up our UI ;)
this is not news to me but at least most of the time everybody is happy CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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baltec1
712
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Posted - 2012.02.26 18:27:00 -
[480] - Quote
CCP Punkturis wrote:
this is not news to me but at least most of the time everybody is happy
You troll us on a regular basis, how could we not be happy |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
1423
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Posted - 2012.02.26 18:38:00 -
[481] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:
this is not news to me but at least most of the time everybody is happy
You troll us on a regular basis, how could we not be happy
dawwww thanks bro! CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer | @katrinat |
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
565
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Posted - 2012.02.26 18:42:00 -
[482] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:
this is not news to me but at least most of the time everybody is happy
You troll us on a regular basis, how could we not be happy CCP Tallest, Soundwave, and the others could take notes Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers. US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join us. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. |
Sloppy Podfarts
Hedion University Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2012.02.26 18:59:00 -
[483] - Quote
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baltec1
719
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Posted - 2012.02.27 10:25:00 -
[484] - Quote
Chin up. |
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