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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2008.03.18 16:05:00 -
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Do you see yourself as an advisor? Are you able to sit with the lead designers within CCP and eloquently discuss changes you feel would benefit players within EVE Online?
Xhagen introduces this new blog to advise the player base on how the Council of Stellar Management will be elected and what will be expected from them in the coming months. Please note that it is important that you are 100% sure that you will be able to commit to the itinerary within the blog before you apply. Obviously disasters may happen that could force you to become unavailable, however, this role will give the players a voice within CCP and only dedicated candidates should apply.
To see if this position is for you, read the Council of Stellar Management Blog.
Wrangler Community Manager CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang
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Jameroz
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.03.18 16:30:00 -
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Let the race begin!
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ndal
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.18 16:45:00 -
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This sounds like an nice Idea. I hope it works out. It would be nice to see it up and running.
Now on with the race.
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2008.03.18 16:46:00 -
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Nice -
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Sha'rone
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.18 16:48:00 -
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Nice idea...
However all that will happen is some players from the major alliances, who will have major vote backing, will end up with a 3 day holiday in Iceland.
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.18 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Xhagen on 18/03/2008 17:37:16
Originally by: Sha'rone Nice idea...
However all that will happen is some players from the major alliances, who will have major vote backing, will end up with a 3 day holiday in Iceland.
That might be, but they (the elected players) will still have to think globally (EVE speaking). Will that not benefit all?
Update: corrected my spelling ____________________________
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ForceM
POS Builder Inc. Silent Requiem
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Posted - 2008.03.18 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: ForceM on 18/03/2008 17:43:59
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.03.18 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 18/03/2008 17:48:41 Hi Xhagen.
I was unable to find any guidelines for campaigns. Are those who put in an application, allowed to spread the word trough the forums, have discussions in here, and that kind of stuff. Or are applications not allowed to discuss their entrance until the voting period?
EDIT: Is there also an age limit, i.e 18 years, in order to go for council?
Im excited to see this, and i wish everybody good luck.
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John Whorfin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.03.18 18:04:00 -
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What happened to the player council's intended function as an oversight committee to verify CCP's internal auditting processes that supposedly prevent dev and insider cheating?
You know, the reason the whole thing was supposed to exist in the first place, so that players that uncover cheating are an official organization that aren't going to be banned for exposing it?
(Also, I love that I still have to log in six times to post anything. Awesome web coding.)
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Virtuozzo
IRON Tech Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.03.18 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Xhagen Edited by: CCP Xhagen on 18/03/2008 17:37:16Update: corrected my spelling
Don't worry about your spelling :P
It is refreshing to see these things in EVE, only good things can come from a philosopher at the helm :-) Kudos.
CAOD FTW.
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.18 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Hi Xhagen.
I was unable to find any guidelines for campaigns. Are those who put in an application, allowed to spread the word trough the forums, have discussions in here, and that kind of stuff. Or are applications not allowed to discuss their entrance until the voting period?
We did not place any guidelines for the campaign, the method or the place for a reason. We are only putting up the framework for the CSM, what happens around it is up to those who decide to run for candidacy. So to answer your question, it is all up to you and how you want to do it. As long it does not violate the EULA or the TOS.
Originally by: LaVista Vista
EDIT: Is there also an age limit, i.e 18 years, in order to go for council?
Im excited to see this, and i wish everybody good luck.
You have to be able to travel to Iceland is the only requirement. That means you have to have a passport. I don't know how it is to get a passport if one is not at a legal age. But, we did not pose any age restriction.
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Helison
Times of Ancar Pure.
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Posted - 2008.03.18 18:49:00 -
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The prenerf is strong here. I really donŠt like the 7-day waiting time and the restriction of communication between CSM and CCP to 2 times per term. This makes it nearly impossible to deal with any urgent matters. I really hoped, that the CSM might help to avoid threadnoughts, but I think this hope is for nothing.
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.18 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: John Whorfin What happened to the player council's intended function as an oversight committee to verify CCP's internal auditting processes that supposedly prevent dev and insider cheating?
You know, the reason the whole thing was supposed to exist in the first place, so that players that uncover cheating are an official organization that aren't going to be banned for exposing it?
(Also, I love that I still have to log in six times to post anything. Awesome web coding.)
The revival of the CSM was in part thought of in that manner yes, but with its current setup it does so much more. All the incidents of misconducts have been handled by CCP out in the open and detailed dev blogs have been posted about that. We believe that way to be more efficient and more transparent way of handling things.
If the elected Council wants to talk to the head of Internal Affairs I will make that happen. Simple. ____________________________
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.18 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Helison The prenerf is strong here. I really donŠt like the 7-day waiting time and the restriction of communication between CSM and CCP to 2 times per term. This makes it nearly impossible to deal with any urgent matters. I really hoped, that the CSM might help to avoid threadnoughts, but I think this hope is for nothing.
You are then automatically assuming that CCP will not contact the council members looking for assistance or a meeting.
Secondly, 7 days are not a 'waiting' period but to make sure that the matter can be discussed without it being rushed, half formed or partially thought up to the CSM. Waiting means inactivity. Those 7 days could be spent in inactivity, but that would probably never get you anywhere. ____________________________
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.18 19:19:00 -
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Shouldn't you limit the number of applicant's somehow, for example like it's done in rl sometimes, an applicant need 100 people signing for him, in order to become a candidate. If just everyone can apply, we maybe get something like 700 applicants to chose from, and the winners will have 0.7-1.9% of the eve playerbase voting for them.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.03.18 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Shouldn't you limit the number of applicant's somehow, for example like it's done in rl sometimes, an applicant need 100 people signing for him, in order to become a candidate. If just everyone can apply, we maybe get something like 700 applicants to chose from, and the winners will have 0.7-1.9% of the eve playerbase voting for them.
I think its important for the voters, that the candidate they pick, is one they can trust, and work for what they believe in.
As such, i think we could see that we will have 10-20 candidates, who get a majority of the vote, while the rest gets a small minority.
Its all about exposure. And one of the inherit flaws of eve in general, is that you need A LOT of people, to do anything really. This very same thing is true for this.
But you also have to remember that depending on the size of a group of people, different types of system is needed. If we look at RL, we have Denmark, where the amount of votes a party gets, that same % amount is the amount of seats they get in government. But in the UK you have the first past the post system, where the majority single-handedly gets full control, making a strong government.
The reason why the proportional election system works in Denmark, is that they have a considerably smaller amount of citizens, so its easier to represents minorities.
But in the UK you will see that due to the big amount of citizens, its much harder to represent minorities. Thus, its better to represent none than only few.
I believe that the amount of seats in the CSM as it is now, or at least the way they are distributd as it seems, probably isnt the best way. But then again, CCP can only bring so many people to Iceland, and we will see more problems spawn if we have a council of 20 people. So its really hard, and im confident that CCP in the future will make this thing even better.
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Latex Sandals
University of Caille
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Posted - 2008.03.18 19:43:00 -
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What steps will be taken to prevent one alliance, say with 5k members and a history of mobilising member participation, from dominating the nominations and voting?
And no, if one power block did dominate the council they do not have to think globally. They could use this council as a platform to present themselves as the player's representative when they are nothing of the sort. |
Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.03.18 19:44:00 -
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This shall be interesting. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.2 |
Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.18 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic This shall be interesting.
Yes, i want to see people paying election agencies, who place cans with goodies at gates with a message like "vote xxx". Or election tourings: the one who runs for a seat will travel from system to system and talk to the locals, trying to persuade them to vote for him, while his election team writes eve-mails etc. Forum campaigns, buying ads at eve tv (oh wait there is none) and eve radio - might get interesting ... maybe someon can make some kind of surveys/opinionpolls to see who is leading etc, and ofc. BIG should not miss to open bets on the winners.
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Hamfast
Lightfoot Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.18 20:23:00 -
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Welcome back Xhagen, glad to see your project moving forward.
Like Tarminic said, this could get interesting...
I am glad to see Proxy Voting was dropped in what seems to be the final draft, and while I don't agree with term limits, I understand the reasoning (I would rather have voters limit terms)...
On the point of large alliances having the ability to guarantee a member on the Council, if they have enough votes, they should have representation... if they choose to split their vote to attempt to pack the council then it would be up to us (the rest of the voters) to stop them... and in splitting their support, they may in fact be giving up any representation...
I do wonder about Eligibility, if I (Hamfast) am running (I am not planning to run at this time), I must prove to CCP that I am the one and only me... that is all well and good... and if Hamfast and the 2 Alts (Hamslow and Ham Notsofast) on this account have done nothing wrong (no bans, no warnings, no problems) then I would be eligible to run... but what about that other account I used to have... the one I closed a year ago with the character (and account) banned for being rude in church and dressing in funny colors (I am making this part up... really, I am...) would I lose that eligibility and will CCP be checking for that ineligibility?
I look forward to the start of the campaigns. --------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2008.03.18 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Latex Sandals What steps will be taken to prevent one alliance, say with 5k members and a history of mobilising member participation, from dominating the nominations and voting?
It's hard to say how this will pan out, but hopefully the fact that there are nine seats is enough to dilute the influence of any one specific power bloc.
5000 members is still a small portion of the playerbase, and a group cannot field too many serious candidates without diluting their vote advantage and running the risk of none of them getting a seat.
Now the fact that there are many of these organized entities, and they'll usually tend to have broadly the same interests, is maybe a slightly more serious problem.
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Vrikshaka
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2008.03.18 20:36:00 -
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In order to ensure that the interests of Eve's three major zones (hisec, lowsec, 0.0) are equally represented, you should reserve a certain number of player representative spots for each zone.
Lowsec should have at least one representative guaranteed in the CSM (10% of Eve inhabitants, according to QEN demographics). This player should have to be -10.0
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Sgt Napalm
Synergy Evolved Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.03.18 20:36:00 -
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CCP,
In the first phase where you are calling for applications what rules people out? IE: How is the selection being cropped? Thanks
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Goumindong
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.18 20:41:00 -
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If they have broadly the same interests then what is the issue? Isn't the point of the CSM to address these issues?
And, as it stands there are only a few key components of the game that can be brought up, all of which most everyone is interested in.
They are:
Usability[U.I. etc] Sovereignty Mechanics Space Quality[And all things pve] General Ship Balance New Features
It would be nearly impossible with the small player blocks to be able to really organize an effort to steer CCP towards an outcome that would benefit any specific player block in the game.
Everyone is interested in general ship balance, and there are no racial blocks of which you can really speak. Everyone in 0.0 is interested in having fun sovereignty mechanics. Everyone in the game is interested in space Quality, and Usability. And most everyone is interested in how new features play out.
Yea, i just can't see it happening.
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.18 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Shouldn't you limit the number of applicant's somehow, for example like it's done in rl sometimes, an applicant need 100 people signing for him, in order to become a candidate. If just everyone can apply, we maybe get something like 700 applicants to chose from, and the winners will have 0.7-1.9% of the eve playerbase voting for them.
Originally by: Sgt Napalm
CCP,
In the first phase where you are calling for applications what rules people out? IE: How is the selection being cropped? Thanks
I'm answering you two together, as this is the same question. And the answer is: We are not doing anything to 'cropped' or 'limit' the number of applications. The main reason for that is I can not see a fair or a just way to put a limit up. The criteria will always be an arbitrary one, decided upon by us, no matter what it might turn out to be. And us putting up a criteria goes against what we want to achieve with the CSM.
If there will be an overwhelming number of applicants, that is something we will have to address when the time comes should it be needed. ____________________________
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.18 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Hamfast
Welcome back Xhagen, glad to see your project moving forward.
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I do wonder about Eligibility, if I (Hamfast) am running (I am not planning to run at this time), I must prove to CCP that I am the one and only me... that is all well and good... and if Hamfast and the 2 Alts (Hamslow and Ham Notsofast) on this account have done nothing wrong (no bans, no warnings, no problems) then I would be eligible to run... but what about that other account I used to have... the one I closed a year ago with the character (and account) banned for being rude in church and dressing in funny colors (I am making this part up... really, I am...) would I lose that eligibility and will CCP be checking for that ineligibility?...
Thank you Hamfast , it is good to be back.
And about the eligibility. Mainly, and one can consider it our rule of thumb; if you have access to EVE, we are eligible to participate.
The reasoning behind this view is as follows: If you were marked as 'EVE Enemy number XXXX' (meaning that you personally would be banned from EVE, not just your account where the infraction occurred) you wouldn't be writing on this forum. Should you be 'EVE Enemy number XXXX' and you would be writing on the forums, you would be reported to the Game Masters and they would handle the matter in accordance to policy. All cases of the severity resulting in a personal ban from EVE are very well documented and logged and spotting those players is a very easy job. Especially me being an ex-GM, knowing all the tricks.
I hope this answers the question. ____________________________
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Reptzo
Master Miners Intruders.
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Posted - 2008.03.18 21:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 18/03/2008 20:36:46
Originally by: Latex Sandals What steps will be taken to prevent one alliance, say with 5k members and a history of mobilising member participation, from dominating the nominations and voting?
It's hard to say how this will pan out, but hopefully the fact that there are nine seats is enough to dilute the influence of any one specific power bloc.
5000 members is still a small portion of the playerbase, and a group cannot field too many serious candidates without diluting their vote advantage and running the risk of none of them getting a seat.
Now the fact that there are many of these organized entities, and they'll usually tend to have broadly the same interests, is maybe a slightly more serious problem. edit: But not one I see any way around, nor do I know of any representative democracy or political scientist that has done so.
I agree, it will be hard for any one group to take control of the council. Another thing that will prevent total abuse is that people are running under their real names. Their real identities, not their in game alias. People tend to be much more well rounded when they have their real life reputation at stake. It is easy to be obnoxious and unreasonable in game, it can even help reach your goals. But in real life, if your an obnoxious idiot, people aren't going to follow you, or even like you.
Also, the council doesn't have any real power, so CCP will just do what they always do. Thank the player base for their input, and then do what they were going to do anyways. Or wait a year then do what the players wanted.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.18 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 18/03/2008 21:13:58
So, basically, all you need is to be popular and/or respected in the EVE community somehow, have a valid passport and a bit of free time. ...and if you're sparing with your "desires", might not even have to spend any money... hey, is "free beer" included in the "food and lodgings" thingie ?
Quote: A council of nine player Representatives will be democratically elected by EVE players
So... how EXACTLY will this vote go anyway ? Is it on a "per account" basis ? "Per character" ? Per uniquely identifiable person ? And how exactly will you go around doing that ? I can see a lot of... potential problems. And what about "voting fraud" issues ? Or simple matters like, say, buying votes ? Or worse, voter indifference ?
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Reptzo
Master Miners Intruders.
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Posted - 2008.03.18 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
... Or worse, voter indifference ?
Personally, I think this will be the biggest problem, getting people to care enough to vote in the first place.
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Verone
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.18 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Verone on 18/03/2008 21:20:44
Would it be possible to have someone look at the applcation page?
Hitting the "Register" Button brings up the following :
Quote: 500 - Internal Error
The server was unable to process your request.
Support personel has been notified, no further action is needed.
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