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Treelox
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.03.21 19:56:00 -
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Is there a quorum requirement or minimum vote requirment to make this election even valid or for a canidate to "win" a spot?
I ask this because judging by current intrest it seems that so far the whole CSM concept is not getting very much "positive" response from the Forum masses. Since we know that those active on the forums is roughly 10% of the total eve population base, this could mean that this elected body would be representive of 5% or even less of the total player base. Not exactly a good representive sample at all.
If such apathy continues, I can see some of the "less popular" canidates winning their position with low triple digit votes, which out of +200,000 active accounts is really sad.
Maybe I am wrong, maybe not, but if intrest in this new standard of Dev and Player base interaction does turn out to be very low, what does CCP plan on doing with the player base that is disenfranchised by the whole process, ignore them? --
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Treelox
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.03.21 20:22:00 -
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I also think that CCP should include a way that those who abstain, maybe a "none of the above" option on the ballot. --
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Oftherocks
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Posted - 2008.03.21 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 20/03/2008 13:32:12
Originally by: Grismar On the point of passports:
The original point still holds: those of us who have a European Identity Card can travel all over the EU (and Iceland) without a passport. They can pay taxes, vote, buy plane tickets and sign contracts, all without a passport. However, it would seem that they cannot join the CSM without a passport, which means they'll have to cough up the dough to get one just to be eligible.
This problem may be unclear to anyone living outside the EU (including those living in Iceland), but the OP made a good point and CCP should really consider relaxing the constraint 'passport or EU identity card', since they are equal for all relevant purposes within the full Schengen group.
The OP ? No, it was Akita T
And... yeah... seriously, I'm still waiting for an official answer. Can I use the picture of my expired passport + my valid Romanian ID card to apply ?
My passport expired 5 months ago, and I don't plan on getting a new one, since I don't plan on travelling outside the Schengen Zone (of which my country, Romania, is part of since January 2007)... and apparently, Iceland was a part of long before that (and still is, AFAIK, right now).
While I don't reside in the EU and have no idea how your id system works, it would seem very reasonable to accept a government recognized photo id. I don't think you should accept US driver liscences since they aren't recognized in Iceland, but if these EU identity cards are recognized by the government of Iceland, it would seem very unfair to require participants to shell out additional personal funds for a passport they don't need to travel to Iceland. I would think if you can get through customs with your EU id, that should be plenty.
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Resender
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Posted - 2008.03.21 22:13:00 -
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I like to know when you receive an confirmation of you're application Cause i filled in mine but when i clicked registered i got the feeling nothing happened
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Pooka
United Space Aillance USA
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Posted - 2008.03.21 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Pooka on 21/03/2008 22:42:30 I would like to apply but see now reason why a third party such as CCP needs a copy of my passport. They just need to know I have one which I do. Then it is between the Icelandic goverment and the USA goverment when I want to travel not CCP.
I don't send SEAMANs a copy of my passport when I plan to go to Germany and do some shopping. So why should I send a copy to CCP?
But since I am a solo carebear I have no chance in hell of winning. Although everyone in my corp would vote for me. All 3 of them!
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Inanna Zuni
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Posted - 2008.03.22 00:02:00 -
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For those commenting that they do not currently have a valid passport then apply next time around! This election campaign, with the voting in May, elects a council who will only serve for the following six months, and those elected can only serve once more (if they get re-elected) so over time all who want an opportunity to get involved will have the option to stand.
This first time around there is a straight "one account one vote" system; it may change in the future but that is what we have now.
So far as the EVE profile is concerned, it is around 40% north America, 40% Europe, and 20% rest of world, and less than 10% of pilots live in 0.0 space.
Personally, I feel that most of the really big Alliances already get their voices heard by the Devs and GMs; what is needed is some input and comment from those who mine, mission, manufacture and trade in Empire space.
And that is why I've decided to stand ...
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.22 00:34:00 -
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Application submitted, campaign site online.
Good luck to all who apply.
/Ben
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ThunderGodThor
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.22 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Xhagen
It was decided very early on to require people to give up their real life names in order to run, and that the real life names were going to be made public. This is of course the first run of the new CSM and thus I will note down this observation and take it into consideration for the next term.
First off there is no real good reason to realease the real names of those on the CSM. There are a lot of bad ones. I mean with the metagamming and all. It doenst exactly take much imagaination. After all other then a few employees at ccp you all hide be hind your handles for very good reasons. So will you also in turn release the names of all ccp empolyees with there handles i think and hope not. One why not release the names of those who are the comintators in the alliance turny After all the forth turny determaned a lot where the nerf bat fell in Trinity.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.03.22 15:05:00 -
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For those who are running I've started an informational thread in general discussion here. I hope it takes off, but the idea is to provide a single place people can go and find campaign info on those who are running as candidates.
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.22 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Spoon Thumb
Those of ethnic minorities or living in a country where they are somehow oppressed might be discouraged by having to give their real life name.
I hope it wouldn't be the case that people discriminate on those sorts of grounds, but it is entirely possible someone could face real life consequences as some may take the online world to be an extension of such discriminations in RL
What happens if a candidate gets put in jail for partaking in democratic activities, even if only online?
Edit: is there a parallel scheme in China?
Nothing like this happening in China.
If you break the laws of your country you will face the consequences there I believe. Whether that is playing games for too long or supporting 'less than appreciated' political systems.
Btw, Happy Easter to everybody. Or if you do not share that particular faith, enjoy the holidays or the extra pay one gets working those day. ____________________________
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.22 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
To all the ppl whining about RL names being revealed, shame you didnt think about that before your hid behind your internet persona, or you can be cool like me and just not have any RL presence on the internet. I just fail to exsist on any search engines, as a RL entity.
Seriously though, I fully understand why RL names are required, not only from the PR standpoint, but as a counter balance to prevent players from abusing their "power" as a member of the council. Makes perfect sense. You wish to be a public figure, you give up the right to internet anonymity.
With all that said, sadly I think the only thing of any worth that will come out of this whole concept, is that a few people will get free tickets to iceland, some free meals, and a couple nights stay in a hotel room. Since I unfortunetly believe that this whole concept is already pre-nerfed, and really mostly being pushed forward as a PR spin to fix the allegations of direct Dev/GM meddling with ingame affairs.
Xhagen, I do appreciate the time and effort that you have put into this, but I will be shocked and awed if this actually even last more than 2 terms before it goes the way of most pet projects of the PR dept., ala weekly EveTV broadcast.
I will try and disappoint you by having the Council last for 5 years
And there is one general statement I would like to put forth in regards to the real life names. CCP can not guarantee that you will NOT be identified (perhaps through no fault of CCP's), so it is more honest and better for everybody that they know what will happen before they run. But this is one of the things that can be discussed in a council meeting. ____________________________
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.22 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Wadaya
My only question to Xhagen would be, are the "elected" players going to an actual representation of the Eve Demographic? Or will it be like Akita T surmises that it will just be a Top 9 popularity contest.
Real world governments believe that this is the best option to have the public state their preferences. I'm sadly not smart enough (yet!) to actually invent something better, but I'm working on it.
And just to make things clear, the method with the first CSM is not necessarily put in stone; we will learn from this experience and adjust/change as we can, what we can. ____________________________
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.22 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Grismar
Originally by: faxtarious only ask fro a pic of the pasport....isn't that kind of risky with Photoshop ?
I guess that depends on where you're from, but where I live forging a passport is a very serious offense. And since any passport can easily be checked with the country that issued it, I wouldn't monkey around with forgery.
Trying to get into a movie or even through customs with a fake id is one thing, sending someone a copy of a fake (passable or not) to pass off as real in a legal agreement is another...
Greetings, Grismar.
I couldn't have put it better myself.
Additionally I would like to point out that by having real life persons participating in this matter, we have the entire bulk of the real life legal system behind us (or against us...) And again, CCP can not honestly protect your identity; thus it is better to simply tell everybody right away.
Additionally, your real world local laws will protect you against someone who wants to teach you how to do things in the council, if somebody is wondering about that. ____________________________
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.22 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
And... yeah... seriously, I'm still waiting for an official answer. Can I use the picture of my expired passport + my valid Romanian ID card to apply ?
No. CCP requires you to submit a scan of a fully valid passport with the application. If you can not, the application will be rejected. ____________________________
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.22 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Siresa Talesi
Quote: EVE Online is going boldly where no other MMORPG has gone before. A player-elected council will hold court with CCP to help govern EVE Online _ s future. The Council of Stellar Management was unveiled to Fanfest goers last November, and has been a topic of intense discussion ever since. Now all the facts are at your fingertips. The new CSM blog is up and ready for your attention.
I hate to break it to you, but this is not "where no other MMORPG has gone before." In a failed attempt to improve customer relations, SWG attempted something very similar, forming a "Senate" of players to provide ideas and opinions on the direction of the game. They could introduce "bills" for chanages they wanted and vote on those changes. It was an attempt to show the playerbase that SOE actually listened to their players. Guess what? They didn't listen. The Senate's suggestions were largely ignored, and in a bit of poetic irony for Star Wars fans, it was dissolved. The only result was that the players grew more resentful of SOE and felt less like their concerns were being listened to and addressed.
I'm not saying that this won't work, but just a word of caution: if you (CCP) intend to do this, make darn sure that you will really follow through, be prepared to act on the ideas of your council, or you will only end up convincing the players that the whole thing is a sham and you had no intention of listening in the first place.
Oh, and to reiterate, it has been done before, so your news item is a bit of false advertising. I'd suggest changing it.
I did read through what SWG did. And what you apparently fail to notice is that Sony hand picked representatives from applicants. Just like CCP did back in 2003 with the original CSM. Secondly, from what I understand and some scoop from community managers, Sony did not prepare their council guys/gals for the fact that Senate didn't have any power. The entitlement the players got was overwhelming. And that was one of the largest criticism we got at Fanfest From Jessica Mulligan and Richard Bartle, to manage the expectations. We responded to that by spelling out, clearly and without any fancy words, "The CSM will not have any formal powers within CCP."
That is where SWG probably took a bad step and we try and learn from that. ____________________________
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.22 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Serenity Steele For all the comments about Passports:
I would hazard a guess that the requirement to have a passport-image is to ensure that anyone is voted onto the CSM will be capable of full-filling their responsibilities, and there is no dodgy mess around it after people are voted in. It's not simply about identification.
Correct.
We require a scan of a valid passport with the application. Otherwise the application will be rejected. ____________________________
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.22 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Omber Zombie
on another topic, i know the csm forum is going to be created soonÖ, but until then, where can we start our campaign threads?
The CSM forum will only be for official discussion for the elected council and voters, i.e. to be opened up the same day the first council is announced.
Campaign where you can, when you can (in accordance to all TOSs etc.) ____________________________
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.22 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: TimGascoigne
we need a vote for NO CSM this is not Democratic because itĘs coming whether we like it or notą.. People vote no to CSM lol we can not!
There will be an "Abstain" option for those who wish to vote but does not like any of the candidates. ____________________________
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.22 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
For those who are running I've started an informational thread in general discussion here. I hope it takes off, but the idea is to provide a single place people can go and find campaign info on those who are running as candidates.
I will be in contact with Winterblink (I'll get back to you after the weekend) and we will make something happen. I will monitor the thread he created for reactions to the idea. ____________________________
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CCP Xhagen
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Posted - 2008.03.22 22:19:00 -
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And to this thread, I am reading and I will respond. ____________________________
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Letouk Mernel
Blue Shell Corporation
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Posted - 2008.03.23 00:50:00 -
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Originally by: Siresa Talesi I hate to break it to you, but this is not "where no other MMORPG has gone before." In a failed attempt to improve customer relations, SWG attempted something very similar, forming a "Senate" of players to provide ideas and opinions on the direction of the game. They could introduce "bills" for chanages they wanted and vote on those changes. It was an attempt to show the playerbase that SOE actually listened to their players. Guess what? They didn't listen. The Senate's suggestions were largely ignored, and in a bit of poetic irony for Star Wars fans, it was dissolved. The only result was that the players grew more resentful of SOE and felt less like their concerns were being listened to and addressed.
I'm not saying that this won't work, but just a word of caution: if you (CCP) intend to do this, make darn sure that you will really follow through, be prepared to act on the ideas of your council, or you will only end up convincing the players that the whole thing is a sham and you had no intention of listening in the first place.
It won't work. This is not WoW's community, where everyone is friends with everyone else, and helpful, and nice, and carebearish. This is EVE, where scamming and exploiting and aggressiveness is norm, and I don't know why CCP doesn't expect any of this to be directed their way.
Old names coming out of the woodwork to sign up, of course. Potential for exploiting your councillor position is great. Everyone's too addicted to remember that it's a 5 year old game on its way out. Reveal your RL names, go ahead. That's exploitable too.
Good luck.
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Erelas RyAlcar
Destinies Touch Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.03.24 02:32:00 -
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There is, no reason, and as I stressed in the original thread and discussion of the second iteration of the CSM, for CCP to purposefully or inadvertently release the real names, or require that people whom wish to run for the CSM reveal their real names...to the general public.
Yes, it was decided to do so, but, there is no solid reasoning behind it.
The idea of EVE being remotely an MMORPG, is moot with the release of a players real identity. That's as civil about the matter as I can be. CLICK HERE TO HELP SAVE EVE-TV |
Wadaya
Trailerpark Industries
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Posted - 2008.03.24 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Xhagen
Originally by: TimGascoigne
we need a vote for NO CSM this is not Democratic because itĘs coming whether we like it or notą.. People vote no to CSM lol we can not!
There will be an "Abstain" option for those who wish to vote but does not like any of the candidates.
How many NO votes would it take for this idea to be scrapped?
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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2008.03.24 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Wadaya How many NO votes would it take for this idea to be scrapped?
There's a character name Abstain... They'll just give a seat to her. ^_^ ---
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MGrind
Sanctuary Aegis Consortium
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Posted - 2008.03.24 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: MGrind on 24/03/2008 23:40:37 Question already answered. Just didn't see it. |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.03.25 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Xhagen
Originally by: Akita T
And... yeah... seriously, I'm still waiting for an official answer.[/b] Can I use the picture of my expired passport + my valid Romanian ID card to apply ?
No. CCP requires you to submit a scan of a fully valid passport with the application. If you can not, the application will be rejected.
Bummer. 7 days left, I really doubt I could get a passport so fast without a good excuse or paying through the teeth. I guess it's up for the next election... deadline 1st of October 2008, I presume ?
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Dealth Striker
Striker Ltd
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Posted - 2008.03.25 01:20:00 -
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It will be interesting to see who gets validated by CCP: - will it be based on where you live? (cost of flying you in)Be interesting to hear stories of others' travel to CCP when CCP has picked up the tab. - are you a 'Yes' person? - do you realize that a NDA is very strict? (worked for a gaming company) - not to be frustrated I would ask to see that before giving out my real name and definately before giving my passport copy to a company that has had internal 'problems'in the past. - hopefully the successful members get better communication than the general public (but I guess we will never know since the NDA will prevent that - lol)
The good points of this is: - an attempt of getting other people to help with PR for the company - good PR for a marketing campaign for more subscribers to help replace the ones that leave over the changes, bugs, nerfs, ganking, lag, etc. - CCP can say they tried
Hope I will be proven wrong but I feel CCP has thrown too many rules into the mix and tried to make it look open and fair.
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Nightay
Revenent Defence Corperation The Omni Federation
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Posted - 2008.03.26 00:29:00 -
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It is with some concern that i look upon this thread and the implications of what this will mean for eve as a whole. Firstly a democratic election process has been set up within the eve community with intention of appointing an advisory council to work alongside CCP.
On the whole this idea seems fine and would give players a chance to influence the eve experience but I feel the process of selection will be very bias.It is basically going to be a popularity contest rather than a true representation of the eve client base.
Large corperations are going to dominate this process and for people like myself in smaller corps and not played eve for as long as some this looks an open and shut case.
There is going to be no new blood elected in this process and i feel that fresh and new ideas will never be brought up in a serious way unless you can bribe an electorate from one of the big corps to do it for you.
I already see the stale answers to every thread concerning changes within eve like the ui for instance and its mandetory go play wow attitude from older players. To be honest i dont care what older players want to keep static for themselves,I try to look at the game constructively but it seems difficult to be taken serious on a lot of matters as the forums show regularly.
The main point being that an elected core of old timers will effectively undermine any real changes and further alienate the new players like myself who will be training for years to never catch up in the end.
I personally think there should have been some form of election selection process to acertain how long each player has played and judge the votes relevant to that.
It is highly likely anyone not in a big corp and not played for 2 years at least would stand any chance in this process and i think that it wont benefit eve overall since there wont be a true representation of the player base in general.
As it seems to be said that minorities here will not or will be under represented in general the list of applicants can almost be written in the mind.You know the kinds that will apply and im sure most like me newish to eve wont even bother to get involved.
You only need read the forums to see how much negative responses are given to new player questions and ideas and this concerns me a lot if this kind of attitude is the elected one.
EVE isnt going to be the only large space mmo soon and i admit i am awaiting the arrival of a new title being advertised,i wont name it for respect to CCP.The point there is if myself already get a half hearted feel for eve after joining how many others begin to play and then feel like they are not sure what to make of it all.
Being flamed for making ideas and suggestions on the forums only bolsters the possibility that new players who will post and get involved will feel they have no say and move on to other things,afterall you are not really turning your back on the game if you were never really accepted and respected to begin.
If eve isnt carefull here they could create the situation where people like myself dont want the hassle and fight to make any point or idea for fear of being shot down and a bitter council of old timers who dont care for noobs as such and thus stifle the chance of eve moving forward.
If the representitives dont accurately represent the different levels of player in eve you wont have a democracy you will have a dictatorship.
This is the concerns i feel are an issue in all of this.I will be watching to see how this works out overall and the general forum attitude.This could be a grave mistake for CCP if the process gives a poor impression to people.
Allowing select players to meddle in the mechanics of an MMO is something that concerns me especially when i pay the robbing british price of play and almost know players at my end of the spectrum wont get a chance in hell of a voice in eve.
I may be way of the mark here but until its done we wont know for sure what will happen in the end,even CCP.
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Mitchay
S.K.AS
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Posted - 2008.03.26 01:53:00 -
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hi, I just got a question on the application process :
I dont have a passport actually, and time is pretty short to get me a new one until 1st of April.
Now I was reminded that Iceland as well as Germany are part of the Schengen zone, so I dont really need to have a passport to travel between those nations.
So I would like to know if its ok to provide a scan of my Personalausweis instead of a new Reisepass ?
Would that be ok, too ?
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Walter Model
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.26 19:35:00 -
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Those who get elected. Will CCP offer free flight ticket to Iceland and Hotel for Iceland meeting?
If yes, even if you are coming from Japan or Denmark. CCP still offer free flight & Hotel?
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