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Ganjalord69
House Hlaalu
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:01:00 -
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I'm getting fed up with these changes to the session change timer. I realise that the original reasons for having it was because the servers couldn't handle the load, but it was part of the game for 5 years, and now I can't even camp retards into kickout stations effectively because of this 10second crap. I had a pod jump through a gate after his ship blew up earlier before I could kill it in a rapier for fucks sake.
Bring back 30 second session change, or at least change the undock invuln timer along with it to compensate. A 30 second timer of being un-lockable, but a 10 second session change? That's fuckin' ridiculous holmes. I should be teaching noobs how to play this game by killing them on the undock, but I can't because the game is being drastically changed overnight.
Make it stop
and as always
Fly safe and Stay Classy
(Actually, don't fly safe. Give me kills.) |
Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
203
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:22:00 -
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INB4 army of care bears go on about how station camping is mindless griefing. Then claim their support for changes that dumb Eve down is done in the spirit of "farming griefer tears", rather than it just being down to them being giant risk averse pussies. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:27:00 -
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Not sure if serious. |
Ares Renton
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:51:00 -
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Quit camping and fight real battles. |
Ganjalord69
House Hlaalu
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:00:00 -
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That has nothing to do with what this thread is about. How about you post something relevant, fool. Who says I never leave the station anyway? Get on my level nub
420/10 for getting me to reply |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
140
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:06:00 -
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its a proper change which punishes station camping faggots, all right there. Go pew pew somewhere else, not at stations, which is simply plain annoying. |
Ganjalord69
House Hlaalu
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:44:00 -
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I disagree. You sound like a buttrangled carebear who has broken invuln early too many times like a tard. As I said, I can teach you guys to play by killing you, but if you can't learn from your mistakes then you're too dumb for this game, sorry. |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
476
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:54:00 -
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Ganjalord69 wrote: I should be teaching noobs how to play this game by killing them on the undock, but I can't because the game is being drastically changed overnight. lol so true. To bad you can't learn how to change your tactics and not fight like a newb. Really, camping?!?!? Any Yaks or FBSS drop yet? Adapt and change yourself |
Steelrattty
No.Mercy Merciless.
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:57:00 -
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LOL YOU'RE ALL ******** CAREBEARS.
Stations are part of the game, PvP is part of the game, if stations weren't meant to be camped they would have an invulnerability sphere around them preventing it. People say camping stations is lazy or a low form of pvp or WHATEVER, reality is its a big part of the game.. let us play the game how we want. Mechanics that have been in place for 6+ years shouldn't be changed for no real reason. |
Steelrattty
No.Mercy Merciless.
6
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:59:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:INB4 army of care bears go on about how station camping is mindless griefing. Then claim their support for changes that dumb Eve down is done in the spirit of "farming griefer tears", rather than it just being down to them being giant risk averse pussies.
Simi Kusoni wrote:INB4 army of care bears go on about how station camping is mindless griefing. Then claim their support for changes that dumb Eve down is done in the spirit of "farming griefer tears", rather than it just being down to them being giant risk averse pussies.
Simi Kusoni wrote:INB4 army of care bears go on about how station camping is mindless griefing. Then claim their support for changes that dumb Eve down is done in the spirit of "farming griefer tears", rather than it just being down to them being giant risk averse pussies.
Simi Kusoni wrote:INB4 army of care bears go on about how station camping is mindless griefing. Then claim their support for changes that dumb Eve down is done in the spirit of "farming griefer tears", rather than it just being down to them being giant risk averse pussies.
Simi Kusoni wrote:INB4 army of care bears go on about how station camping is mindless griefing. Then claim their support for changes that dumb Eve down is done in the spirit of "farming griefer tears", rather than it just being down to them being giant risk averse pussies.
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Ganjalord69
House Hlaalu
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:03:00 -
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How can someone possibly deduce from the original post that's all someone does in the game anyway? How high do you have to be to make assumptions like that? It's like putting purple jelly on a hot dog.
The game is mainly about efficient and effective communication within fleets and gangs, and you carebears can't even into reading comprehension. No wonder you're carebears, because you can't do anything but lock up rats or roids that have the most basic of AI. |
Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
204
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:04:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Ganjalord69 wrote: I should be teaching noobs how to play this game by killing them on the undock, but I can't because the game is being drastically changed overnight. lol so true. To bad you can't learn how to change your tactics and not fight like a newb. Really, camping?!?!? Any Yaks or FBSS drop yet? Adapt and change yourself You may not like camping, but between station/gate camping it is essentially the only realistic way in Eve to kill non-PvP targets.
Anyone with common sense doing exploration will have an alt on the acceleration gate, or see you on d-scan, or be 100km+ away from warp-in etc. People running anomalies, ratting or mining will dock up with a neutral/WT in local and even moving ships and expensive items is now usually just done by JF, carrier or nullified T3/covert ops.
Non-consensual PvP in Eve is slowly dying, the session change timer isn't much of a big deal, but it's one less thing for people to worry about. The problem is, Eve being difficult was part of the fun, and slowly all the difficulties are going away. Now it's just a massive PvE grind, the only people who take risks are idiots or space poor noobs who can't jump their ships about or plex alts.
Docking games may not really have counted as risk for many players, but it still resulted in some ships being blown up. Removing it as a valid tactic is just anti-eve. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |
Steelrattty
No.Mercy Merciless.
6
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:05:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Aqriue wrote:Ganjalord69 wrote: I should be teaching noobs how to play this game by killing them on the undock, but I can't because the game is being drastically changed overnight. lol so true. To bad you can't learn how to change your tactics and not fight like a newb. Really, camping?!?!? Any Yaks or FBSS drop yet? Adapt and change yourself You may not like camping, but between station/gate camping it is essentially the only realistic way in Eve to kill non-PvP targets. Anyone with common sense doing exploration will have an alt on the acceleration gate, or see you on d-scan, or be 100km+ away from warp-in etc. People running anomalies, ratting or mining will dock up with a neutral/WT in local and even moving ships and expensive items is now usually just done by JF, carrier or nullified T3/covert ops. Non-consensual PvP in Eve is slowly dying, the session change timer isn't much of a big deal, but it's one less thing for people to worry about. The problem is, Eve being difficult was part of the fun, and slowly all the difficulties are going away. Now it's just a massive PvE grind, the only people who take risks are idiots or space poor noobs who can't jump their ships about or plex alts. Docking games may not really have counted as risk for many players, but it still resulted in some ships being blown up. Removing it as a valid tactic is just anti-eve.
I NOMINATE SIMI KUSONI FOR CSM |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
69
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Posted - 2012.02.22 20:08:00 -
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Station camping may be the lowest, most cowardly form of PvP, but it still is PvP, and shouldn't really be nerfed - mostly because, as has already been said, doing so is anti-EVE. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
141
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Posted - 2012.02.22 21:16:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:Station camping may be the lowest, most cowardly form of PvP, but it still is PvP, and shouldn't really be nerfed - mostly because, as has already been said, doing so is anti-EVE.
It is a good thing as it minimizes idiots at stations aggroing you and forcing to dock and re-undock again. Wont kill me but annoying as f*ck, so I appreciate every nerf of those r*tards. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
101
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Posted - 2012.02.22 22:02:00 -
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If you want people to take risks, and fly where you can kill them, you need bait.
What incentive can you offer the miner or ratter, that convinces them they can take home enough ISK to risk those PvP encounters? If they do it often enough, some of them will eventually adapt and fight back.
They are in High Sec in many cases, because they feel they have no survival ability outside of it. How will you make them feel they have a good enough chance to take the risk?
You may need to make a sacrifice.
They may need to be convinced, that assuming they do it correctly, they can travel and survive 100%. Keep in mind everyone screws up, and makes mistakes. They will own that and not give up if they feel they were at fault. A lot of them are looking for challenges, but are seeing a brick wall.
Create an assault shuttle, something, anything, that gives them a taste of beating what they thought were horrible odds, and they will see it can be done. (No cargo hold, lots of armor, and blockade runner +2 to warp strength. Call it the touring special)
But every time they think they did it perfectly, and gave up a killmail, they will think that since they could not do it better, it cannot be done reliably enough to make it worth the risk.
Sell the perception. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
586
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Posted - 2012.02.22 23:14:00 -
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Can we also make it so that deaggression takes 15 minutes? I want to see more deaths at the undock (usually mine though). |
Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
207
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Posted - 2012.02.23 04:42:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:If you want people to take risks, and fly where you can kill them, you need bait.
What incentive can you offer the miner or ratter, that convinces them they can take home enough ISK to risk those PvP encounters? If they do it often enough, some of them will eventually adapt and fight back. To be honest, when I say Eve is already too safe, I don't think we are talking about the same people. The risk averse high sec carebears you are talking about will likely never venture out into low or null sec, and even if they do they ignore the mechanics already in place to help them because they assume "oh, it's only three jumps, that'll be fine in my freighter".
These people, in my opinion, come under the heading of either idiots or space poor noobs. Any mechanic you introduce to help them, will just be abused by us. This is why the game shouldn't be balanced around the lowest common denominators, it's just making things really dull for the rest of us who aren't idiots.
All the mechanics required for "risk free" PvE already exist in game, as I said before the only people who still die in non-consensual PvP are idiots. -áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |
Bubanni
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
87
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Posted - 2012.02.23 07:19:00 -
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everyone have different vices in EVE, I can appriciate camping stations as I done it myself a bit in the past.
I agree, invul timer should only be the same as the session change timer, nothing more, nothing less |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1025
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Posted - 2012.02.23 11:36:00 -
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Please stay respectful and on topic, even in heated and passionate discussions. Thank you. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Bubanni
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
88
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Posted - 2012.02.23 11:48:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Please stay respectful and on topic, even in heated and passionate discussions. Thank you. I thought I was being respectful and on topic :3 I'm sorry so sorry sorry sorry! |
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