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Siresa Talesi Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.26 16:17:00 - [121] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Siresa Talesi Originally by: Reem Fairchild Amazingly, people playing a game that is intended and designed to be primarily about warfare, piracy and ruthless compettion, like to engage in gasp in-game warfare and destruction and all the things that go with that, like espionage. I don't think that most people complaining about the CSM have a problem with people playing the game that way, we just have a problem with people who play that way claiming to be able to represent all players' views without bias. Why? Think about it for a moment. Selfish in-game behavior frequently translates into the same type of attitudes in RL. No, it's not always the case, but it is often enough to be a problem. We have no way of knowing which players from this category will try to argue changes for the betterment of the game in general, or which will be entirely self-serving at the CSM buffet. Is it possible for one of these players to fairly represent all views in the game? Yes. Do we have any way of knowing who will and who won't prior to them actually being a part of CSM and potentially doing damage? No. Am I comfortable taking that chance? Not at all. "Space is filled with countless hours of boredom...punctuated by moments of abject terror." - Capn. James T. Kirk, Starfleet Academy
Reem Fairchild Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:06:00 - [122] Originally by: Siresa Talesi Think about it for a moment. Selfish in-game behavior frequently translates into the same type of attitudes in RL. No, it's not always the case, but it is often enough to be a problem. I would say that it is never the case. You don't understand the main point of playing games. I do a LOT of tings in games that I would never do in real life. In fact, if what you're saying is true, and our bahavior in computer is directly related to our personality in real life we'd be in serious trouble. I mean, something like 90% (at least) of people who play computer games must be mass murderers in real life then. This is the main way that Eve is intended to be played, by design. This is what it is meant to be like. How can you say that playing this game normally makes someone a bad person?
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.26 17:38:00 - [123] Originally by: Reem Fairchild I would say that it is never the case. You don't understand the main point of playing games. I do a LOT of tings in games that I would never do in real life. In fact, if what you're saying is true, and our bahavior in computer is directly related to our personality in real life we'd be in serious trouble. I mean, something like 90% (at least) of people who play computer games must be mass murderers in real life then. This is the main way that Eve is intended to be played, by design. This is what it is meant to be like. How can you say that playing this game normally makes someone a bad person? He was specifically talking about selfish ingame behaviour, and I agree that a lot of people that are antisocial, immature, disloyal or selfish in a MMO often aren't much better in the real world. Actions that affect NPCs only do not apply. It matters how you interact with other players. I kill NPCs in all kinds of games, hell, I played mortal kombat when I was a little innocent kid. But I'm not going to harrass other players, whine for cash, rob a corp, gank innocent people, that kind of stuff. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Doonoo Boonoo Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.26 18:53:00 - [124] Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 26/03/2008 18:54:32 But you think EVERYONE who PvPs in Eve is a Psychopath in real life and have stated so many,many times. You yourself show antisocial behaviour by refusing to join a Player Corp and interacting with other people.Your choice.Nobody is forcing you to join a player corp. Indeed many of the people in MMOs who do not bond together with others are sad,lonely individuals in real life.They lack drive,ambition or any sense of self worth.They have boring,mundane jobs because that is how they like their life.Boring and mundane.They don't want to be noticed and instead prefer to'just be left alone'. Hijacking Ki Ans thread was a childish,immature thing to do as well.You showed a remarkable lack of self control there. You advocated a suspected hacking of a 'Pirate Corps' killboard because you though it was teaching them a lesson. That's incredibly immature. Well done patting someone on the back for doing something illegal. Other people,who only play for a few hours a week,are in player Corps but you don't have time to do Corp stuff.That's rather selfish of you don't you think? A recent study showed that the kind of people who make baseless accusations and allegations in real life are infact trying to compensate for their own failings and shortcomings by drawing attention to others.This could be in the form of a letter of complaint to a local authority or official. These people often feel opressed by the world they live in and do not have a true grasp of reality.They see anybody who doesn't agree with them,however ridiculous they may be acting,as an enemy and therefore have trouble forming meaningful loving relationships. Some suffer delusions of grandeur and believe they are above those that do not think as they do. Many become rabid control freaks wanting to impose their will upon others because they cannot control their own lives and the world around them. They fail to see eye to eye with anyone and as a consequence find themselves more and more isolated from family and friends until one day they just decide the world is against them and everything bad that happens to them is somebody elses fault. They become selfish,irresponsible,hysterical,hypocritical and arrogant. oh yeah wtf has Mortal Kombat got to do with Eve?
Siresa Talesi Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:17:00 - [125] Originally by: Reem Fairchild I would say that it is never the case. You don't understand the main point of playing games. I do a LOT of tings in games that I would never do in real life. In fact, if what you're saying is true, and our bahavior in computer is directly related to our personality in real life we'd be in serious trouble. I mean, something like 90% (at least) of people who play computer games must be mass murderers in real life then. This is the main way that Eve is intended to be played, by design. This is what it is meant to be like. How can you say that playing this game normally makes someone a bad person? I beg to differ. Saying that true personalities are exhibited in ingame behavior is not the same as saying that whatever they do in game is identical to what they do in rl, that's just hyperbole. I have known people whose behavior in rl directly mirrors their behavior and attitudes in games. I have also known people whose behavior si totally different, as they do make the distinction between a game and rl. How are we supposed to know who is which sort of person? Do we simply take them on their word that they will place the good of the group over their own interests, when the only evidence of their behavior we have shows the exact opposite? No thank you. Also, people need to stop claiming that they know the "main way eve is intended to be played." It's a sandbox game, that means that there is no single way to play, there are many options, each as viable as the others. Yes it's a harsh environment, but how you act within that environment is entirely up to you. Claiming a "main" way to play only shows that you value your own method of play without giving the same respect to those who play differently. You feel yourself superior to those who play differently than you, and you see no value in their ideas or choices. This is another reason why I feel those with this playstyle would make lousy representatives. Thank you for proving my point. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah He was specifically talking about selfish ingame behaviour, and I agree that a lot of people that are antisocial, immature, disloyal or selfish in a MMO often aren't much better in the real world. Actions that affect NPCs only do not apply. It matters how you interact with other players. I kill NPCs in all kinds of games, hell, I played mortal kombat when I was a little innocent kid. But I'm not going to harrass other players, whine for cash, rob a corp, gank innocent people, that kind of stuff. This, exactly. "Space is filled with countless hours of boredom...punctuated by moments of abject terror." - Capn. James T. Kirk, Starfleet Academy
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:28:00 - [126] Are you having fun misinterpreting my statements or what, Doonoo? Ah well I guess I'll reply to this slander, then. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo But you think EVERYONE who PvPs in Eve is a Psychopath in real life and have stated so many,many times. No, I said that griefers are often psychopaths or people with issues in real life. In Eve, most griefers PVP in some way, but I never said that all forms of PVP are bad. There is nothing wrong with 0.0 alliance vs alliance conflicts, for instance. I don't even have a problem with ALL suicide gankings, as recently stated. I do have a problem with the people who use PVP (or any other mechanic) as means getting others upset and purposely ruin their enjoyment of the game, and are interested in seeing other people hurt so they can laugh about it. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo You yourself show antisocial behaviour by refusing to join a Player Corp and interacting with other people.Your choice.Nobody is forcing you to join a player corp. Well excuse me, but I do interact with other people, otherwise it would be hard for me to have advisors for my CSM party eh? I do interact with others outside of corp context. I give stuff and advice to noobs, I mine with other players and small corps, I chat with people in local (woot), and so on. I just have wanderlust and love to explore, and thus do not stay in one place for too long, which stands in the way of a more permanent relationship with a corp. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Indeed many of the people in MMOs who do not bond together with others are sad,lonely individuals in real life.They lack drive,ambition or any sense of self worth.They have boring,mundane jobs because that is how they like their life.Boring and mundane.They don't want to be noticed and instead prefer to'just be left alone'. Even if that was true, then at least they are not harming others with it. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Hijacking Ki Ans thread was a childish,immature thing to do as well.You showed a remarkable lack of self control there. The situation with Ki An is under control now, and none of your business for that matter. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo You advocated a suspected hacking of a 'Pirate Corps' killboard because you though it was teaching them a lesson. That's incredibly immature. Well done patting someone on the back for doing something illegal. Other people,who only play for a few hours a week,are in player Corps but you don't have time to do Corp stuff.That's rather selfish of you don't you think? A recent study showed that the kind of people who make baseless accusations and allegations in real life are infact trying to compensate for their own failings and shortcomings by drawing attention to others.This could be in the form of a letter of complaint to a local authority or official. These people often feel opressed by the world they live in and do not have a true grasp of reality.They see anybody who doesn't agree with them,however ridiculous they may be acting,as an enemy and therefore have trouble forming meaningful loving relationships. Some suffer delusions of grandeur and believe they are above those that do not think as they do.Many become rabid control freaks wanting to impose their will upon others because they cannot control their own lives and the world around them. They fail to see eye to eye with anyone and as a consequence find themselves more and more isolated from family and friends until one day they just decide the world is against them and everything bad that happens to them is somebody elses fault. They become selfish,irresponsible,hysterical,hypocritical and arrogant. Rhetorical nonsense, a pile of false accusations, and completely irrelevant to boot. Not even going to bother to form a riposte to this pocket of hot air. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo oh yeah wtf has Mortal Kombat got to do with Eve? Nothing with Eve, everything with the context of the post I was replying to. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Doonoo Boonoo Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:12:00 - [127] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Are you having fun misinterpreting my statements or what, Doonoo? Ah well I guess I'll reply to this slander, then. I said that griefers are often psychopaths or people with issues in real life. I do interact with others outside of corp context. The situation with Ki An is under control now, and none of your business for that matter. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo You advocated a suspected hacking of a 'Pirate Corps' killboard because you though it was teaching them a lesson. That's incredibly immature. Well done patting someone on the back for doing something illegal. Rhetorical nonsense, a pile of false accusations, and completely irrelevant to boot. Not even going to bother to form a riposte to this pocket of hot air. Liar. This is you advocating the hacking of a Pirate owned kill board: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=730293&page=1#11 This is you saying PvP is for Psychopaths: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=728922&page=2#41 This is you claiming to have very little to do with other players: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=715249&page=5#131 You even admit to not being a sociable person in real life: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=712504&page=5#126 The fact that you hijacked another persons thread becomes mine and everybody elses business when you decided to run for CSM btw.I think other people should be aware that you break the forum rules and endorse criminal activities before they decide to vote for you. Think of me as the grubby little tabloid journalist with nicotine fingers digging up your past and paying sleazy strippers to kiss and tell. The op is worried about who is being put up for the CSM and well he should be.All I'm doing is giving people a bit of background info on a candidate standing for election to the CSM and claiming to be some moral crusader who doesn't practice what they preach.
Tyr Vaantau Synthetic Frontiers Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:13:00 - [128] I'm pretty much a complete nobody, and I'm running for it. Happy? ------
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:52:00 - [129] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Liar. This is you advocating the hacking of a Pirate owned kill board: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=730293&page=1#11 So what? First rule of computer science: Don't put on the internet what you haven't got backups of. No irreparable damage should have been done, unlike people that destroy other people's ships in Eve. Point dismissed as completely irrelevant. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo This is you saying PvP is for Psychopaths: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=728922&page=2#41 And I have clarified this stance on many occasions, which you conveniently forgot to quote. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo This is you claiming to have very little to do with other players: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=715249&page=5#131 Less than your average corp member yes. And this is bad how? After all, I'm supposed to represent the interest of individual players and small corporations and such, not 0.0 mega alliances which surely have their own representation. Another irrelevant point. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo You even admit to not being a sociable person in real life: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=712504&page=5#126 Not a social person /= not a sociable person. Native speaker clarifies: "you can not be social as in, you're not interested in social interaction much, but still be sociable as in you can dislike social interaction but still be adequate at it, and be a nice and likable person overall". Quit twisting my words around. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo The fact that you hijacked another persons thread becomes mine and everybody elses business when you decided to run for CSM btw.I think other people should be aware that you break the forum rules and endorse criminal activities before they decide to vote for you. Speak for yourself, as you're hijacking this thread with your nonsense. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Think of me as the grubby little tabloid journalist with nicotine fingers digging up your past and paying sleazy strippers to kiss and tell. Tabloid journalists often aren't very intelligent and make up a lot of stuff and twist words around to get a story 'interesting'. Which is exactly what you are doing. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo The op is worried about who is being put up for the CSM and well he should be.All I'm doing is giving people a bit of background info on a candidate standing for election to the CSM and claiming to be some moral crusader who doesn't practice what they preach. How is that so, as I practice everything I preach. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Or someone who now claims to be interacting with other players when,not more than 3 weeks ago,you claimed to have little or no contact with others in game. Like I said, I have less contact with your average corpmate, and that doesn't mean I have no contact at all. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo At a date that I see fit I will also post links to more statements you have made with regard to your attitude towards PvP,how you believe we should all be 'nice to eachother' and anything else that I think will allow the Eve community to better form an opinion of what you stand for and if you are worthy of a place on the CSM. Feel free, Miss Paparazzi. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Rufus Britton Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.03.27 02:31:00 - [130] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Or someone who now claims to be interacting with other players when,not more than 3 weeks ago,you claimed to have little or no contact with others in game. She helped me out when I was a total noob, answered all my questions and helped me get to grips with EVE. She even gave me a few million isk to help me get started and took me on a mining operation. For someone you're calling unsociable they managed to be more than socially adequate ingame. Ankhesentapemkah has been very helpful towards me, because of this I'm willing to help her out in the CSM elections and give her the opinions of someone that's new to the game so she knows how things can be improved for other new people.

Reem Fairchild Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.27 07:04:00 - [131] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Actions that affect NPCs only do not apply. It matters how you interact with other players. Why? Those people are playing the game with me. They're part of the game world. It's not a very pleasant world. It's not meant to be. But it's a game. MMORPG. Get it? Why would anything I, or anyone else, do within the game, against NPCs or PCs, be seen as indicative of our personality in real life or be taken personally by anyone? It's a game. The only thing that could possibly be wrong is if you actually broke the rules of the game itself and outright cheated. I don't understand.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.03.27 08:25:00 - [132] Edited by: Cpt Fina on 27/03/2008 08:27:22 Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Think of me as the grubby little tabloid journalist with nicotine fingers digging up your past and paying sleazy strippers to kiss and tell. Got anything one me? Btw, Ankhesentapemkah, judging by your wesite I think it would be devastating having you on the team tbh. "re-evaluate the war declaration" - Taking away/nerfing a fundamental gamemechanic that insures responsibility for ones actions in Eve. This is a pretty distinct element of this game and a vital part of the core values it's founded upon. "give the Factions a more central role in the game mechanics" - some like to interact with ai but i'd bet that the vast majority of the eve community prefers player to player interaction. It's a mmo after all. "improve mission running gameplay experience" - In other words more ways to play Eve as an offline game. These points in your agenda combined with Doonoo's accusations (you playing eve like a singleplayer-game, seemingly unhealthy opinions towards the PvP-crowd) would make me rather put a vote for you not entering CSM instead of putting a vote for letting anyone else in.
Doonoo Boonoo Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:20:00 - [133] Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 27/03/2008 11:24:59 Excellent dismissal of all my relevant points using a mixture of ignorance and yet more comedy gold.Thanks Ankh. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah No irreparable damage should have been done, unlike people that destroy other people's ships in Eve. Also, it's likely no illegal hack was used to manipulate the data, they probably legally obtained a login. What?Irreparable damage is being made by people that attack others Ships in an Internet Spaceship game? It's likely that no illegal hack was used?The topic says 'Hacks' in the title ffs.At the time you posted your immature remark it was believed to have been a hack and not a login. Completely relevant to me.But because you can't agree on being wrong you dismiss it.Is this how you will react to discussions held with others on the CSM and CCP staff? Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Less interaction than your average corp member yes. And this is bad how? After all, I'm supposed to represent the interest of individual players and small corporations. It's bad because,now you want to run for CSM you claim to be interacting with others on a regular basis when,prior to you putting yourself up as a candidate you claimed little or no interaction.Being in an NPC corp is not bad.A CSM candidate Lying about what they do in game is. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Oh yes, while at it, please clarify why being in an NPC corp has to be anti-social.. I never said it was.You said you were not a very social person.I was merely quoting a recent article I read on people not fitting in with other MMO players and the reasons why.Much like your 'Griefers have a serious mental disorder in real life'.Sauce for the Goose as it where. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah you're hijacking this thread with your nonsense. And if you think I break the forum rules, which I did not in the quoted post, you can take that up with a Moderator. I already said above that the action is likely not even criminal... Not against forum rules huh?How about immature? You think I'm hijacking a thread about what sort of people are applying to the CSM by telling the Eve Community what your other views are?You know,the kind of views and statementsyou don't put on your website? Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I call this slander. I call it a public service. You put yourself up for the position.You will have to face questions from the community and you will have to have intelligent discussions with other people and CCP staff. Seeing you dismissing everything I said as irrelevant,lies or slander will allow the community to decide if you are capable of having a rational discussion or just ignore everything the CSM stands for. Do you think the community do not need to know what sort of things you have said in the past?You want your past wiped clean and want a fresh start?Sorry,no. Some newer people might think you have credibility and experience when afaic you have neither.
Inconstant Moon Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:24:00 - [134] Originally by: Rufus Britton (Ankhesentapemkah...) helped me out when I was a total noob, answered all my questions and helped me get to grips with EVE. She even gave me a few million isk to help me get started and took me on a mining operation. For someone you're calling unsociable they managed to be more than socially adequate ingame. Ankhesentapemkah has been very helpful towards me, because of this I'm willing to help her out in the CSM elections and give her the opinions of someone that's new to the game so she knows how things can be improved for other new people. There are many players like Ankhe who do take the time to help out noobs or whoever. They might answer questions on Help, they might assist in their ship, they might just give a few isk to get you started. This is a valid way to interact with the playerbase and a valid way to enjoy a MMOG without necessarily taking part in the other multiplayer aspects. It doesn't mean such players are unsociable or cannot represent the playerbase. On the contrary, these players are likely to be the best representatives simply because they like to help. Ankhe will get my vote.
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.27 11:44:00 - [135] Originally by: Cpt Fina Btw, Ankhesentapemkah, judging by your wesite I think it would be devastating having you on the team tbh. "re-evaluate the war declaration" - Taking away/nerfing a fundamental gamemechanic that insures responsibility for ones actions in Eve. This is a pretty distinct element of this game and a vital part of the core values it's founded upon. I see that, and no, I don't want everyone to be totally immume to everything else. However, since I represent the small corps and individual players, what about the player that just wants to play peacefully with his friends, and repeatingly gets his corp extorted by wardec corps 20 times their size? Yes, it would be difficult to distinguish between these types of players and people that use their corps for other things, and thus it will be difficult to make modifications to the ruleset, but to re-evaluate means looking at the options (and possibly come to the conclusion that change is not possible), not nerfing the crap out of something. Originally by: Cpt Fina "give the Factions a more central role in the game mechanics" - some like to interact with ai but i'd bet that the vast majority of the eve community prefers player to player interaction. It's a mmo after all. Factions could be an EXCELLENT structure to get individual players and small corps to participate in more player interaction! Originally by: Cpt Fina "improve mission running gameplay experience" - In other words more ways to play Eve as an offline game. Missions can be run in a small team too, there are many small corporations around this principle. And there are a lot of players that use missions occasionally, not all the time, it would be nice to enhance their gameplay experience too. Originally by: Cpt Fina These points in your agenda combined with Doonoo's accusations (you playing eve like a singleplayer-game, seemingly unhealthy opinions towards the PvP-crowd) would make me rather put a vote for you not entering CSM instead of putting a vote for letting anyone else in. Fortunately in most of the threads I post in there are a few players that DO agree with my points, and the reaction to me in game has been quite positive as well. And I wouldn't take Doonaa's accusations too serious, if I were you. She portraits herself as a tabloid interviewer after all, and you know how credible tabloid stories are. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:07:00 - [136] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo What?Irreparable damage is being made by people that attack others Ships in an Internet Spaceship game? It's likely that no illegal hack was used?The topic says 'Hacks' in the title ffs.At the time you posted your immature remark it was believed to have been a hack and not a login. Completely relevant to me.But because you can't agree on being wrong you dismiss it.Is this how you will react to discussions held with others on the CSM and CCP staff? Yes, if you destroy someone else's ship in Eve, you permanently destroy the very real effort they put into accomplishing it. People cry hack a lot without knowing what they're talking about. If someone like you misinterprets, twists and exaggerates my statements, then I'm going to call them on that, yes. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo It's bad because,now you want to run for CSM you claim to be interacting with others on a regular basis when,prior to you putting yourself up as a candidate you claimed little or no interaction.Being in an NPC corp is not bad.A CSM candidate Lying about what they do in game is. Yet another twisting of my statements. If you make a strawmen and then cry it's lying, then it's your strawman's fault, not mine. I never lied. I never claimed 'regular' interaction either. What you're quoting most definately falls under 'little', especially in comparison to corp players. You're the one making up the words 'no interaction' and 'regular interaction', compare them, and then call me a liar. Yeah right. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Oh yes, while at it, please clarify why being in an NPC corp has to be anti-social.. I never said it was. At least I have the decency of not immediately calling you a liar at this point. Please clarify your following statement then: Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo You yourself show antisocial behaviour by refusing to join a Player Corp and interacting with other people. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Not against forum rules huh?How about immature? You directly accused me of activity against the forum rules and you quoted the post in the killboard thread. Do you wish to come back on this? Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo You think I'm hijacking a thread about what sort of people are applying to the CSM by telling the Eve Community what your other views are?You know,the kind of views and statementsyou don't put on your website? There is a blog on my website and you have the possibility to submit questions via email to be published on the site, feel free to make use of it, reporter. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo I call it a public service. You put yourself up for the position.You will have to face questions from the community and you will have to have intelligent discussions with other people and CCP staff. Seeing you dismissing everything I said as irrelevant,lies or slander will allow the community to decide if you are capable of having a rational discussion or just ignore everything the CSM stands for. Maybe because they are irrelevant and slander. I think I have not directly accused you of lying yet, have I? Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Do you think the community do not need to know what sort of things you have said in the past?You want your past wiped clean and want a fresh start?Sorry,no. Where did I say I wanted that? Putting words in my mouth again? Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Some newer people might think you have credibility and experience when afaic you have neither. Thank you for your opinion, but unfortunately for you, I'm going to dismiss that as irrelevant too. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Doonoo Boonoo Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:13:00 - [137] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah And I wouldn't take Doonaa's accusations too serious, if I were you. She portraits herself as a tabloid interviewer after all, and you know how credible tabloid stories are. I'm accusing you and then posting the proof. Looks pretty credible to me.
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.03.27 12:44:00 - [138] Originally by: Devblog It cannot be stressed enough that the council will not have any formal power within CCP; it will function solely as an advisory council to CCP by serving as a communication conduit between the playerbase and CCP.
Thorliaron Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.27 13:18:00 - [139] The people who get on this council will proberly be the same ones we see on eve tv at tournys,interviews,*****ing fourms and getting mad love from their fan boi's. i really could not give a toss about it.
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.27 13:53:00 - [140] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah And I wouldn't take Doonaa's accusations too serious, if I were you. She portraits herself as a tabloid interviewer after all, and you know how credible tabloid stories are. I'm accusing you and then posting the proof. Looks pretty credible to me. Of which a large percentage has already shown to be exaggerated, twisted around, or has been disproven. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website

Doonoo Boonoo Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.27 13:57:00 - [141] Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 27/03/2008 14:04:19 Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 27/03/2008 13:59:11 I stand by what I said.The Eve community is intelligent enough to decide what has been twisted,exagerrated or taken out of context and if you deserve their vote.
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.27 14:13:00 - [142] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 27/03/2008 14:04:19 I stand by what I said.The Eve community is intelligent enough to decide what has been twisted,exagerrated or taken out of context and if you deserve their vote. Fine, then I hereby end this argument, as all your points and accusations have already been proven false in the posts above. I'm sure the Eve community will see your dribble for what it is, and if you ever go slander me again in the future, I'll make sure to refer to your false accusations in this thread. If you have genuine questions in the future, I'm willing to let this incident pass and give you a fresh start. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Siresa Talesi Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.27 18:00:00 - [143] Originally by: Reem Fairchild Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Actions that affect NPCs only do not apply. It matters how you interact with other players. Why? Those people are playing the game with me. They're part of the game world. It's not a very pleasant world. It's not meant to be. But it's a game. MMORPG. Get it? Why would anything I, or anyone else, do within the game, against NPCs or PCs, be seen as indicative of our personality in real life or be taken personally by anyone? It's a game. The only thing that could possibly be wrong is if you actually broke the rules of the game itself and outright cheated. I don't understand. And yet your statments above already reveal your bias towards a specific type of gameplay to the extent of your discounting the validity of others' playstyle. The way you play the game most definetely affects/demonstrates your point of view, and if others have a differing view, why should they trust someone like you to be a fair representative of their interests? You've already said that their way of playing is not the "main" part of the game, why should they trust you to do anything to protect or improve anything you see as the "non-main" method of play? It's not just actions within the game that is the issue here, it is the general attitude, both in and out of game, commonly portrayed by those of a particular playstyle. Deny it all you like, but experience says that certain playstyles do in fact attract certain personalities. While it's not always the case, there is no effective means of discerning a player's true personality, so I would prefer to err on the side of caution then trust someone solely on their word that the attitudes they express ingame and in the forums have nothing to do with their real personality. It's an imperfect solution, but under the circumstances it is the best course of action. "Space is filled with countless hours of boredom...punctuated by moments of abject terror." - Capn. James T. Kirk, Starfleet Academy
Doonoo Boonoo Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.27 18:09:00 - [144] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I'm sure the Eve community will see your dribble for what it is, and if you ever go slander me again in the future, I'll make sure to refer to your false accusations in this thread. Remind me again.What parts do you consider to be Slander?
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.27 18:38:00 - [145] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Remind me again.What parts do you consider to be Slander? The accusation of being a liar, the accusation of being unsociable, and this part: Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo I think other people should be aware that you break the forum rules and endorse criminal activities before they decide to vote for you. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2008.03.27 18:54:00 - [146] Quote: However, since I represent the small corps and individual players... You do? When did this happen? * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Orvy Hairy Beary Foods	Posted - 2008.03.27 19:24:00 - [147] Who needs this CSM establishment anyways? Councils and democratic institutions have over and over turned into a deadlock - inability to come to a constructive decision and push it forward. Look at the US elections for instance - you get several clowns mindlessly making the same promises over and over again and when they are elected nothing changes - they are not OBLIGED to fullfill their promises. They only represent themselves, not the people behind them. Of course the situation with Eve is different, but still the council will prove to be inefficient in solving any of the ingame problems. CCP knows that, it just wants council as the means to advertise that 'Everyone has a say in their game's dynamics'. So stop acting as if this whole affair was of utmost importance to the playerbase - it is not. What CCP really needs is a couple of very talented people who would play the game and who would be intelligent and brave enough to take Eve to another level. ______________________________________________ Fighting for perfection of sweets recepies
Doonoo Boonoo Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.27 23:56:00 - [148] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Remind me again.What parts do you consider to be Slander? The accusation of being a liar, the accusation of being unsociable, and this part: Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo I think other people should be aware that you break the forum rules and endorse criminal activities before they decide to vote for you. I thought I already proved that you were lying about exactly how much interaction you claimed to be having/not having with people in Eve by pasting a link.Sorry nope.As far as I'm concerned you have lied. I never said you were unsociable.I said you showed signs of being unsociable.You were the one that said you where not a very social person in real life.Sorry nope.Fail again. I already posted a link to a thread where you think it's 'good' that someone hacked a killboard of a Pirate Corp.Which is a crime.Again,nope.Fail on your behalf. It's true that when you hijacked someone elses thread and proceeded to slander that player and every player in their corp by calling them 'griefers' when you had no proof whatsoever that they had broken any of the rules laid down by CCP that could be classed as 'Griefing' it might not be against the rules of the forum you posted it in but hey!We can't all be perfect. I suggest you read some of the rubbish that has spewed from your mouth before talking about Slander.If you feel that strongly E-mail the mods. Again.I stand by my statements. Now stop wasting my time.
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.28 10:40:00 - [149] http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=730523&page=5#129 Did you even bother to read my post or what? All your accusations have already been debunked. If you're not going to adress my points, then concession accepted. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Gamesguy D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.28 11:27:00 - [150] Edited by: Gamesguy on 28/03/2008 11:27:08 Tbh this whole thread is pointless. Between 100 random joes who claim to represent "the people", and far better organized alliances that will nominate their own candidates, who do you think will win? Let like people ankwhatever keep spouting their rabble, at the end of the day it doesn't matter.

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