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Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.28 11:45:00 - [151] Originally by: Gamesguy Edited by: Gamesguy on 28/03/2008 11:27:08 Tbh this whole thread is pointless. Between 100 random joes who claim to represent "the people", and far better organized alliances that will nominate their own candidates, who do you think will win? Let like people ankwhatever keep spouting their rabble, at the end of the day it doesn't matter. I wonder if there's any connection between Ankthingy and Jenny Spitfire Mk.II? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.28 11:59:00 - [152] I'm starting to think that the silent majority would probably be happier if their self-proclaimed voice would shut up. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.28 12:59:00 - [153] Originally by: Avon I'm starting to think that the silent majority would probably be happier if their self-proclaimed voice would shut up. Not my fault that Doonaa hijacks the thread to spread slander and false accusations. Maybe it would have been better to have reported him/her at the start instead of having him/her test our patience like this, but that's in hindsight. Fortunately the responses in game have been far more positive, and I will shift the focus of my campaign to there, instead of wasting time arguing with people that aren't even considering to vote for me anyway, and aren't remotely interested in what I have to say at all. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.28 13:01:00 - [154] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Avon I'm starting to think that the silent majority would probably be happier if their self-proclaimed voice would shut up. Not my fault that Doonaa hijacks the thread to spread slander and false accusations. Maybe it would have been better to have reported him/her at the start instead of having him/her test our patience like this, but that's in hindsight. Fortunately the responses in game have been far more positive, and I will shift the focus of my campaign to there, instead of wasting time arguing with people that aren't even considering to vote for me anyway, and aren't remotely interested in what I have to say at all. It was really more a comment on your debating ability. Seriously, as the old saying goes: A closed mouth gathers no feet. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Roy Batty68 Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.03.28 14:42:00 - [155] Originally by: Avon I'm starting to think that the silent majority would probably be happier if their self-proclaimed voice would shut up. That's sig worthy. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Not my fault that Doonaa hijacks the thread to spread slander and false accusations. Actually... yeah, it's your fault. Reviewing what you have said over many a thread, I consider what Doonaa is doing to be a community service. It would actually be fairly tragic if you made it on the CSM given your stock response about pvp'ers being "psychotic". Review for yourself. Frankly, you sound more like someone who has only been in the game a couple months. Same misconceptions, same misplaced blame for pvp results, etc. Considering that along side the fact that your posting seemed to stop in 2006 and start up again just a month or so ago, combined with the numerous times you've said, "And I've been playing since release!!" or similar... I'm starting to wonder if this might be a newly purchased or otherwise inherited character. It just seems somehow inconcieveable to me that someone who has been playing this game since 2003 would go around labeling pirates as crazed psychotics with rl issues... Call me crazy... wait... you probably will. Anyway, rock on Doonaa. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com ~Saint
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.28 14:54:00 - [156] Originally by: Avon I'm starting to think that the silent majority would probably be happier if their self-proclaimed voice would shut up. Personally, I'm finding myself actually looking forward to reading ankthingy's next post. It's like being at school watching that one kid who really would eat anything if you gave him 10p. Kind of disgusting, but also hilariously entertaining. Hey, Ankthingy, I'll make a deal with you. Next time I'm in lo-sec, I'll spare one (1) hauler if you eat a slug. You can ask anyone who knows me in this game: I keep my promises. I really do. It doesn't have to be a big slug - a little baby one will do, but in all fairness, I'll have to ask for a slug plus a worm to spare a T2 hauler. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.28 15:39:00 - [157] Originally by: Avon It was really more a comment on your debating ability. Seriously, as the old saying goes: A closed mouth gathers no feet. I'm really interested in how you suggest I would improve on that. So far, I have countered Doonaa's false accusations rationally and with logic, and all Doonaa's statements have been proven wrong. From my point of view, he/she just keeps on bringing up the same old things which have already been proven false, or just plain ignores my statements and repeats what he/she has said already. To me, it seems to be the forum equivalent of whack-a-mole. I could just ignore Doonaa from now on, but then he/she will probably just troll other threads I post in and repeat the same false accusations in there. On the other hand, I could then just link to this thread and ignore anything else said by him/her. Suggestions? Originally by: Roy Batty68 Actually... yeah, it's your fault. Reviewing what you have said over many a thread, I consider what Doonaa is doing to be a community service. It would actually be fairly tragic if you made it on the CSM given your stock response about pvp'ers being "psychotic". 25 million if you can find a post where I use exactly that word you just put between quotes. Originally by: Roy Batty68 blahblah I'm starting to wonder if this might be a newly purchased or otherwise inherited character. You and everyone else here has my word of honor that I'm the original and only owner of the Ankhesentapemkah character. I hope this satisfies you and anyone else that has doubts. Disclaimer: I will not respond to any demands for my word of honor on anything, it's only given at my own initiative. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Tyr Vaantau Synthetic Frontiers Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.28 16:00:00 - [158] Does Ankh realise that decent PR is a significant portion of these democratic processes? ------
Inconstant Moon Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.28 16:04:00 - [159] Originally by: Tyr Vaantau Does Ankh realise that decent PR is a significant portion of these democratic processes? I'm sure she does, but unfortunately this forum is not the best place for it. No matter how constructive, friendly, or sane you might be, all you get is insults and fights. Kinda hard to stay out of a fight once your name is put all over it. -- CONCORD provides neither consequences nor safety.
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.28 16:15:00 - [160] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Liar. This is you advocating the hacking of a Pirate owned kill board: First rule of computer science: Don't put on the internet what you haven't got backups of. No irreparable damage should have been done, unlike people that destroy other people's ships in Eve. Also, it's likely no illegal hack was used to manipulate the data, they probably legally obtained a login. Point dismissed as completely irrelevant. Um, excuse me.. but destroying data, making it inaccessible, generally hacking is not allowed no matter how mildly you perform it, or how justified you feel it is. The sole fact that you really find it acceptable to do such thing, just because it **es you off that people might find pvp fun is ridiculous and speaks like a thousand words about you. Unless you cough up some pretty good excuse /explanation for your words, then the point is far from being dismissed. (hint: the best thing you can do there is to back up from that statement and apologize) Quote:** However, since I represent the small corps and individual players, what about the player that just wants to play peacefully with his friends, and repeatingly gets his corp extorted by wardec corps 20 times their size? See you represent a very specific segment of the playerbase without regards to the others. The whole mechanic of EVE revolves around adaptation. It is a rather complex system which you look at from only one side. THAT is NOT the job of a CSM representative. Those people are expected to look at EVE as a whole, not just the part they favor, or the part they play. Tell you what.. i have a friend who is making deep studies on the carebear side of EVE so he can represent those people better, despite of him being more interested in PVP. You on the other hand dismiss PVP thinking that the people doing it are more often psychopaths than not. My advice to you is to learn to play the game - not just one part of it - before you want to represent anyone, as without knowing the game as a whole, you just can't have an idea what kind of effect a proposed change would have on the system. Not to mention, that the CSM is more about setting up a priority list for CCP to work on, than to suggest game altering changes. I'm sure there will be quite some idea submissions as well, as the whole idea of CSM got the minds of the people going in terms of what to change, but thats not what this council will be about. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only

Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.28 18:38:00 - [161] Originally by: Malar Um, excuse me.. but destroying data, making it inaccessible, generally hacking is not allowed no matter how mildly you perform it, or how justified you feel it is. The sole fact that you really find it acceptable to do such thing, just because it **es you off that people might find pvp fun is ridiculous and speaks like a thousand words about you. Unless you cough up some pretty good excuse /explanation for your words, then the point is far from being dismissed. (hint: the best thing you can do there is to back up from that statement and apologize) Except that none of the things you listed truly happened. Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read in the tabloids. There was no hacking, the login was legitimate. There was no data destroyed or rendered inaccessible, there was (false) data being added. And best of all, the killboard has long been fully restored to normal, with no damage done to the previous data! Originally by:** Malar See you represent a very specific segment of the playerbase without regards to the others. The whole mechanic of EVE revolves around adaptation. It is a rather complex system which you look at from only one side. THAT is NOT the job of a CSM representative. Those people are expected to look at EVE as a whole, not just the part they favor, or the part they play. Tell you what.. i have a friend who is making deep studies on the carebear side of EVE so he can represent those people better, despite of him being more interested in PVP. You on the other hand dismiss PVP thinking that the people doing it are more often psychopaths than not. I do not agree with this assertion. I do look at the issues from different sides, and, as you can read on my campaign site, you notice I have things listed as player vigilante, bounties, and factional warfare. You don't hear me say things like "make people unable to lock other players in highsec, it must be totally safe!". Instead I clearly ask for mechanics such as suicide ganking to be re-evaluated. That does not mean nerf it into oblivion, that means looking at all the aspects of it, taking suggestions and input from players, and see if the current mechanics are OK or if change is necessary. When I personally take an educated guess, I'd say that change is needed, and I have some solid arguments that support that view. However, when statistics and data show that the current system is balanced, and that 99% of the players are pleased with it, then I'm more than happy to admit I was wrong, and drop the issue. Originally by: Malar My advice to you is to learn to play the game - not just one part of it - before you want to represent anyone, as without knowing the game as a whole, you just can't have an idea what kind of effect a proposed change would have on the system. Not to mention, that the CSM is more about setting up a priority list for CCP to work on, than to suggest game altering changes. I'm sure there will be quite some idea submissions as well, as the whole idea of CSM got the minds of the people going in terms of what to change, but thats not what this council will be about. That's why there's a list of issues on my site and why people can suggest issues to me. I'm prepared to listen to mature arguments from all types of players. I can take excellent care of my own, but I admit I do not know everything. That is why I have several people advising me, they inform me how changes would affect their particular areas. Also, I do not think it would be a good idea to have 9 average jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none CSMs, some specialization is good, just like the game designers each are supposed to have their specialty. Yes, a CSM must be aware of how the different aspects of the game interact. I think I have enough knowledge of Eve Online, and game design in general, to make a good CSM candidate. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:14:00 - [162] Edited by: Malar on 28/03/2008 19:17:00 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Except that none of the things you listed truly happened. Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read in the tabloids. There was no hacking, the login was legitimate. There was no data destroyed or rendered inaccessible, there was (false) data being added. And best of all, the killboard has long been fully restored to normal, with no damage done to the previous data! I was referring to your own statement, which i also quoted. Nothing else. It - along with the one i quote now - clearly shows me, that you are seemingly unable to distinguish between right and wrong, or simply draw the line at the wrong place. Tampering with a system that is not yours is not okay, if it is a legitimate login you use for that, it is still not okay, except that it is not hacking, but abusing a system that way. It did create real life work for someone, which can be translated to direct money loss. So in essence even if it was merely a childish prank, someone had to work to get it cleaned up. Considering that i work in a similar line of business - web hosting, web development, database management, etc - i don't take these things kindly. Neither do i sympathise with you obviously making fun out of an issue like this. You think that blowing up virtual spaceships someone worked hard to get is not okay, yet you are fine with creating possibly heavy hours of work of data recovery / cleanup for someone else. Someone called you a liar earlier. I wouldnt go that far, but you sure as hell are a hypocrit. As for the rest of your post. You can argue with me on how i see you, it was my impression of you and it will not change unless i see you change first. so lets just stick to this answer. Quote: I think I have enough knowledge of Eve Online, and game design in general, to make a good CSM candidate. I think you are a simple carebear, who thinks to know the game while only lacking experience in completely marginal fields of eve like say pvp. Three words: You are wrong. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only
MongWen Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.03.28 20:41:00 - [163] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Except that none of the things you listed truly happened. Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read in the tabloids. There was no hacking, the login was legitimate. There was no data destroyed or rendered inaccessible, there was (false) data being added. And best of all, the killboard has long been fully restored to normal, with no damage done to the previous data! Well regardless what was done or how it was done, gaining access to a commuter/database/webpage that you shood in the first place have access to, is illegal where i am from and can result in jail time. now if the owner off the comuter/database/webpage gave tou permission the matter is totaly diffrent. Now if i gain access to your computer, and pull a small prank in like renameing one file (removing boot.ini comes to mind ), seeing that the data can be fixed without loss off data. but it whood probably give you some extra work. Is that legal? no. Whood i do it? no. keep in mind that everything that a candidate does/has done or says/has said in the past comes up for a work over. and people will dig after info. FYI: do you know that the CMS is intended to be a advisory panel of 9 player elected people (and 6 alternates), that will discuss topics/issues that is passed up to them from the players posted on the CMS forums (yet to be opend i guess). From there it will be discused between the CMS Pannel, and vote if it shood be escaladed to the CCP Panel, with all views on it attached and the CCP Panel can say no for what ever reason, and if the panel dont what it escaladed for what ever reason. they must give a reason on the issue in the CMS forum. and i am guessing it will work the other way also in some way or an other. in reality the CMS has 0 power, exept discussing ideas/issues/whatever and voteing on if it shood be escaladed. and forming a campaign on the promis that you will front ideas/issues to CPP, is well for a lack off a better word lying, since the other elected partys/people can say no and leave you where you are now. ------------------------- Vote MongWen For The CMS. [Campaign Site]
Gamesguy D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.28 21:49:00 - [164] http://www.eve-search.com/thread/733589/page/7#195 http://www.eve-search.com/thread/733589/page/8#231 Ankhesentapemkah saying pvpers are "psychotics" and "chronically engage in immoral and antisocial behavior".
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.28 22:14:00 - [165] Originally by: Malar I was referring to your own statement, which i also quoted. Nothing else. It - along with the one i quote now - clearly shows me, that you are seemingly unable to distinguish between right and wrong, or simply draw the line at the wrong place. Tampering with a system that is not yours is not okay, if it is a legitimate login you use for that, it is still not okay, except that it is not hacking, but abusing a system that way. Look, if the website was deleted or defaced, then it would have been a problem. It clearly was just a user adding some false kills. I do draw lines, if there was any serious damage then I would not have reacted in the way I had. It was a harmless event. Originally by: Malar It did create real life work for someone, which can be translated to direct money loss. It creates work for me when people blow up my internet spaceship, which can be translated to direct money loss, as I have to pay for my gametime at the end of the month, and people destroying my stuff ingame can ensure that I do not have enough ISK to pay up. Different? No, because the killboard was a hobby site too. Actually yes, because if people blow up my ship its gone permanently, while this site was back to normal with a few mouseclicks. Originally by: Malar So in essence even if it was merely a childish prank, someone had to work to get it cleaned up. Considering that i work in a similar line of business - web hosting, web development, database management, etc - i don't take these things kindly. Neither do i sympathise with you obviously making fun out of an issue like this. You think that blowing up virtual spaceships someone worked hard to get is not okay, yet you are fine with creating possibly heavy hours of work of data recovery / cleanup for someone else. Someone called you a liar earlier. I wouldnt go that far, but you sure as hell are a hypocrit. Ah, but I've had my fair share with this stuff too. I was the administrator of one of the big forums of Nationstates, the Red Liberty Alliance Forum (I did not really play that game, I just hosted it). The server is in my very house. Let's see what I had. I had 3 or 4 DOS attacks, one of which lasted for days, and at least 2 serious hacking attempts. I had one serious database corruption which might have been caused by a hacker. I think lost half a day of posting in total, over the years, I fortunately make daily backups. Based on my experience, I say what happened to the killboard is peanuts, no more annoying than some spamming user, and just as easily taken care of. Originally by: Malar As for the rest of your post. You can argue with me on how i see you, it was my impression of you and it will not change unless i see you change first. so lets just stick to this answer. Quote: I think I have enough knowledge of Eve Online, and game design in general, to make a good CSM candidate. I think you are a simple carebear, who thinks to know the game while only lacking experience in completely marginal fields of eve like say pvp. Three words: You are wrong. In your opinion. Originally by: Gamesguy http://www.eve-search.com/thread/733589/page/7#195 http://www.eve-search.com/thread/733589/page/8#231 Ankhesentapemkah saying pvpers are "psychotics" and "chronically engage in immoral and antisocial behavior". Funny, as I never used the first word on these forums AT ALL as far as I know, and the second was only quoting a definition which you can also find on wikipedia, by the way. I think this misquote of yours has illustrated your level of reading skills and overall intelligence, and is reason enough for me to ignore you from now on. On any further attack, I'll just quote your screwup. Have a nice time playing Eve, but do not bother interacting with me again in the future. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.28 22:39:00 - [166] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Malar It did create real life work for someone, which can be translated to direct money loss. It creates work for me when people blow up my internet spaceship, which can be translated to direct money loss, as I have to pay for my gametime at the end of the month, and people destroying my stuff ingame can ensure that I do not have enough ISK to pay up. Different? Um excuse me, but you realize that you are comparing the destruction of something that was meant to be destroyed by its design - its an internet spaceship game which focuses heavily on pvp combat - to an out of game act of vandalism. Seriously dude.. you should let a few friends read through your posts before you make them public, as you are making yourself ridiculous here. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Malar I think you are a simple carebear, who thinks to know the game while only lacking experience in completely marginal fields of eve like say pvp. Three words: You are wrong. In your opinion. You seem to love to state the obvious. Like on your site where you keep repeating how you intend to bring the issues of the - at least some - players to CCP, as if it wouldnt be one of the primary tasks for all the candidates out there. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Funny, as I never used the first word on these forums AT ALL as far as I know, and the second was only quoting a definition which you can also find on wikipedia, by the way. It is not that hard to find dude, really no point in denying it. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Of course you only want psychopatic ****s turn this game into a cesspool, but instead we need more good, intelligent, and mature players. Above quote is from the first link Gamesguy posted. You were in argument about PvPers causing 'honorable' players to quit. Originally by:** Ankhesentapemkah Psychopathy is a psychological construct that describes chronic immoral and antisocial behavior. Guess what catagory these griefers fall into? This is the second quote you were referring to, from the second link and if you ask me its quite clear what you mean. Sure you can blame it on medicine tho, for inventing the term in the first place. Originally by: I think this misquote of yours has illustrated your level of reading skills and overall intelligence, and is reason enough for me to ignore you from now on. On any further attack, I'll just quote your screwup. Have a nice time playing Eve, but do not bother interacting with me again in the future Actually this proves your level of maturity, in the way you were posting, the way you ARE posting and the way you are handling the - not so unjustified - outbursts towards your person. If you can't stand the flames, then try not to dance on the bonefire, but at least stay away from CSM elections. Oh and about the last part of your post, the pathetic threat towards the guy. If there is anyone who is best to be ashamed of his forum fu*ups, then it is you dude. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only*
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.28 23:32:00 - [167] Ankhesentapemkah you should have eaten the slug. You don't really care about players in haulers - you could have saved at least one tonight but you didn't. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Nylarthotep Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.28 23:36:00 - [168] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Psychopathy is a psychological construct that describes chronic immoral and antisocial behavior. Guess what catagory these griefers fall into? Malar I really hate to tell you but the act of griefing other players is most definitly an antisocial behavior. I am not talking pirating or other regular pvp here, just griefing. It seems like you need a definition so here. 1. Purposefully shooting or otherwise sabotaging your teammates in an online game. 2. In online gaming where one repeatedly killing the same individual or individuals over and over again, or camping their corpse to prevent them from retrieving it, or otherwise performing actions in a game to prevent the player from enjoying the game. 3. In online gaming, someone who takes pleasure in creating grief for an opponent via various "cheap" tactics. Any one of those would definitly fall into the antisocial behavior category. I am very sorry to tell you she is correct, griefing is indeed a very antisocial behavior.
Gamesguy D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.28 23:43:00 - [169] Originally by: Nylarthotep Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Psychopathy is a psychological construct that describes chronic immoral and antisocial behavior. Guess what catagory these griefers fall into? Malar I really hate to tell you but the act of griefing other players is most definitly an antisocial behavior. I am not talking pirating or other regular pvp here, just griefing. It seems like you need a definition so here. 1. Purposefully shooting or otherwise sabotaging your teammates in an online game. 2. In online gaming where one repeatedly killing the same individual or individuals over and over again, or camping their corpse to prevent them from retrieving it, or otherwise performing actions in a game to prevent the player from enjoying the game. 3. In online gaming, someone who takes pleasure in creating grief for an opponent via various "cheap" tactics. Any one of those would definitly fall into the antisocial behavior category. I am very sorry to tell you she is correct, griefing is indeed a very antisocial behavior. I don't enjoy dying when I play counterstrike. Therefore everyone who shoots in when I'm playing CS is a griefer.
Reem Fairchild Shadow Forces Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.28 23:44:00 - [170] Originally by: Siresa Talesi And yet your statments above already reveal your bias towards a specific type of gameplay to the extent of your discounting the validity of others' playstyle. I don't care how others play the game. I definitely don't look down on people who do manufacturing and trading or whatever. I mean, I'd have to look down on myself as well then, considering most of my in-game income comes from this industrial/trading alt that I'm posting with here. The only thing I dislike about other's play style is in their attitude towards the game, not in what field they are in. People who treat the game like a space FPS and people who want to just run around doing whatever without any risk or challenge both annoy me in equal measure. Quote: The way you play the game most definetely affects/demonstrates your point of view, You don't even know how I personally play the game. Quote: and if others have a differing view, why should they trust someone like you to be a fair representative of their interests? I'm not, personally, running for any position. I just reacted against the notion that someone from an 0.0 corp/alliance would be inherently immoral because of the way they play the game and couldn't be counted on to not abuse their position for in-game benefit. Frankly, saying things like that is just stupid.

Nylarthotep Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.28 23:46:00 - [171] There is enough sarcasm on this board as it is without yours.
TordenSkiold Death-Row	Posted - 2008.03.28 23:46:00 - [172] Alot of thoughts and opinions I say one thing: TeddyBr for Council ! He's the only one who's actually done something on behalf of many players who stay in hi-sec. So if he should make a run for it, vote for him - Donner & Blitz - Thunder & Lightning - Lyn & Torden
Gamesguy D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.28 23:51:00 - [173] Originally by: Nylarthotep Edited by: Nylarthotep on 28/03/2008 23:46:15 Gamesguy....There is enough sarcasm on this board as it is without yours. I'm just following your ******** definition of a griefer.
Nylarthotep Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.28 23:59:00 - [174] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Nylarthotep Edited by: Nylarthotep on 28/03/2008 23:46:15 Gamesguy....There is enough sarcasm on this board as it is without yours. I'm just following your ******** definition of a griefer. You sir are wrong and I will not argue the point with a troll.
Gamesguy D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.29 00:08:00 - [175] Originally by: Nylarthotep Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Nylarthotep Edited by: Nylarthotep on 28/03/2008 23:46:15 Gamesguy....There is enough sarcasm on this board as it is without yours. I'm just following your ******** definition of a griefer. You sir are wrong and I will not argue the point with a troll. Concession accepted troll.
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.29 00:52:00 - [176] Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 29/03/2008 00:57:06 Originally by: Malar Um excuse me, but you realize that you are comparing the destruction of something that was meant to be destroyed by its design - its an internet spaceship game which focuses heavily on pvp combat - to an out of game act of vandalism. Seriously dude.. you should let a few friends read through your posts before you make them public, as you are making yourself ridiculous here. It is you being rediculous by blowing this tiny microscopic issue way out of proportion. And that's all I have to say about it, there is no point repeating myself. If you do not agree with my views on this matter, so be it. Originally by: Malar Originally by: Ankh Funny, as I never used the first word on these forums AT ALL as far as I know, and the second was only quoting a definition which you can also find on wikipedia, by the way. It is not that hard to find dude, really no point in denying it. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Of course you only want psychopatic ****s turn this game into a cesspool, but instead we need more good, intelligent, and mature players. Above quote is from the first link Gamesguy posted. You were in argument about PvPers causing 'honorable' players to quit. Originally by:** Ankhesentapemkah Psychopathy is a psychological construct that describes chronic immoral and antisocial behavior. Guess what catagory these griefers fall into? This is the second quote you were referring to, from the second link and if you ask me its quite clear what you mean. Sure you can blame it on medicine tho, for inventing the term in the first place. Actually this proves your level of maturity, in the way you were posting, the way you ARE posting and the way you are handling the - not so unjustified - outbursts towards your person. If you can't stand the flames, then try not to dance on the bonefire, but at least stay away from CSM elections. Oh and about the last part of your post, the pathetic threat towards the guy. If there is anyone who is best to be ashamed of his forum fuups, then it is you dude. I did not use that exact word, which is the entire point here! She, and several others, are misquoting me, which shows how much their accusations are worth, if they cannot even get the terms right. And it has something to say about your reading skills as well. Originally by:** Gamesguy Concession accepted troll. You've been one of the biggest trolls so far in this thread, sorry. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Doonoo Boonoo Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.29 02:43:00 - [177] Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 29/03/2008 02:47:46 Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 29/03/2008 02:47:14 Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 29/03/2008 02:44:53 Originally by: Inconstant Moon Originally by: Tyr Vaantau Does Ankh realise that decent PR is a significant portion of these democratic processes? I'm sure she does, but unfortunately this forum is not the best place for it. No matter how constructive, friendly, or sane you might be, all you get is insults and fights. Kinda hard to stay out of a fight once your name is put all over it. Do you think her other posts are helpful,constructive or friendly?Do you think she's doing a good job explaining herself.Do you think she is being insulted for being intelligent?How can you misqoute someone when you direct people to the original post? I like the way you try to deflect the blame from Ank and blame it on the forum.You and Ank have the same logic and tendancy to ignore facts. What are you? her alt.
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.29 10:10:00 - [178] Originally by: Nylarthotep Malar I really hate to tell you but the act of griefing other players is most definitly an antisocial behavior. I am not talking pirating or other regular pvp here, just griefing. It seems like you need a definition so here. I am very sorry to tell you she is correct, griefing is indeed a very antisocial behavior. Griefing might be antisocial, but he used that word to describe something going on in empire which HE considers griefing, but CCP does not. Neither do a whole lot of other people. So while you can twist and turn the words to show that he was in fact only pointing out a definition, the context of said quotes tell a whole different story. I've been on both sides of the fence. Used much of the same arguments myself, you two use today, only it was 3-4 years ago. I also failed to understand while people might find pleasure in blowing up stuff that others worked hard to get for seemingly nothing. Here is what i've learned in the past 5 years. There is no emotion involved on the side of the average 'griefer' other than the statisfying knowledge that they had a goal (kill someone) and managed to accomplish it - aka +1 kill. Of course the pathetic whining of an upset victim always brings a smile to the face, but thats a different story. I could tell you about times when i had a nice chat about people i killed and gave them plenty of advice on how to avoid a similar fate next. It all depends on how the 'victim' reacts. Some want to learn from it, some just want the game to change to fit them more, instead of them changing to fit to the game. Since this game is pretty much about blowing up stuff. The only reason you build ships is to fight with them, or use them to further facilitate building ships with which you can then fight - see miners, haulers, etc. Everything you do revolves around / or supports PvP on some level or the other. Calling people who PvP/gank antisocial, or psychopathic, just because you do not understand their motives is plain wrong and shows lack of knowlege about EVE. Generally.. nice try on that post, but you did miss the target by miles. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.29 10:14:00 - [179] Originally by: Nylarthotep Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Nylarthotep Edited by: Nylarthotep on 28/03/2008 23:46:15 Gamesguy....There is enough sarcasm on this board as it is without yours. I'm just following your ******** definition of a griefer. You sir are wrong and I will not argue the point with a troll. For that you would have to make a point first, atm we have nothing to argue about. sorry. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only
Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.29 10:23:00 - [180] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah It is you being rediculous by blowing this tiny microscopic issue way out of proportion. And that's all I have to say about it, there is no point repeating myself. If you do not agree with my views on this matter, so be it. Saying 'I apologize for the stupid things i wrote about hacking' is not that hard, yet you are unable / unwilling to do that. I agree, there is no point in repeating yourself, as what you are repeating is morally wrong and you can't twist it to become right, guess why you are not willing to repeat it anymore. That you are unwilling to acknowledge that fact is - again - a testament of your character. Oh and its interesting how arguments you are losing get smaller and smaller in importance over time, as you are losing ground in the question :) You are either a real world politician or use them as a role model. Either way, you are pathetic. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I did not use that exact word, which is the entire point here! She, and several others, are misquoting me, which shows how much their accusations are worth, if they cannot even get the terms right. And it has something to say about your reading skills as well. So in essence you are saying, that just because they didnt quote exactly the same sentence you used - despite the fact that the meaning of the sentence was pretty much the same you used - their point is invalid eh? Oh please.. you cant be serious. Also you failed to apologize for the pathetic threat you made earlier.. again a nice and convenient skipping of a point raised against you. All in one, 10/10 on bullsit, 0/10 on honesty. Pathetic result no matter how you look at it. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only*

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