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Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.29 10:44:00 - [181] Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 29/03/2008 10:44:10 Originally by: Malar Saying 'I apologize for the stupid things i wrote about hacking' is not that hard, yet you are unable / unwilling to do that. I agree, there is no point in repeating yourself, as what you are repeating is morally wrong and you can't twist it to become right, guess why you are not willing to repeat it anymore. That you are unwilling to acknowledge that fact is - again - a testament of your character. Oh and its interesting how arguments you are losing get smaller and smaller in importance over time, as you are losing ground in the question :) You are either a real world politician or use them as a role model. Either way, you are pathetic. I'm not going to apologize to someone that does not get his facts straight (and is not even related to the 'wronged' party in the first place). It was not hacking, and there was nothing immoral going on. You are just ignoring the points I have already presented, and I'm not going to repeat my points that have already won the discussion. The end. I'm not going to clarify any further, I'm not going to repeat myself, and you have my answer. Originally by: Malar So in essence you are saying, that just because they didnt quote exactly the same sentence you used - despite the fact that the meaning of the sentence was pretty much the same you used - their point is invalid eh? Oh please.. you cant be serious. I'm very serious. The two words are VERY different. One meaning being disconnected from reality and suffering from hallucinations, the other meaning the disability to feel empathy for other individuals and a lack of morals. I don't think griefers are completely disconnected from reality and suffering from hallucinations, now do I? Originally by: Malar Also you failed to apologize for the pathetic threat you made earlier.. again a nice and convenient skipping of a point raised against you. What pathethic threat? He/she is the one that is slandering and posting false accusations. He/she is a waste of my time, and there is no point in a discussion with him/her as he/she will simply twist what I say. Therefore, if he/she goes slandering and mudflinging again, then I'll be sure to bring up the earlier posts that have already discredited him/her. Also, if he/she has a problem with it, he/she can take that up him/herself instead of you interfering with this. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Overwhelmed Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.29 10:56:00 - [182] Ankhesentmepms, you really need to look up the value of "poise" in political discourse. Napalm is a drop in the bucket at this point.
El'Niaga Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.29 10:57:00 - [183] It's not the 0.0 alliances per say. The conditions are such that I think primarily unemployed college age individuals will get picked. The problem is still that that's a very small sliver of the actual playerbase. Get younger than that and they can't go without their parents. Get older than that and you've got other responsibilities to family and careers such that you can't take time off to go to Iceland. Basically its a PR move, I'm hoping it doesn't become the worst mistake they've ever made.
Malar	Posted - 2008.03.29 11:30:00 - [184] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I'm not going to apologize to someone that does not get his facts straight (and is not even related to the 'wronged' party in the first place). Nope, you should merely acknowlege the fact that you were wrong in your statements, yet you are unable/unwilling to do that. Shame on you. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah You are just ignoring the points I have already presented, and I'm not going to repeat my points that have already won the discussion. The end. I'm not going to clarify any further, I'm not going to repeat myself, and you have my answer. I declare that i did won this discussion, so your declaration is hereby void. We can as well argue about who did won and why. Are you really this dark? A discussion is not won by stating that you've won it. You can either convince me that you are right, fail to convince me that you are right, or just plain give up. Ever since i first addressed you, you are avoiding the points i raised, yet you tell me i ignore your points. Then you even announce that you've won the discussion, as if there is anything to win in a discussion. Okay, i guess you've really won. There is no point in arguing with someone who has a big mouth to preach loudly, but no ears to actually listen. I will be curious how many votes you will get with this attitude, as if there is something you can be sure of.. with your attitude, what you get now is nothing compared to what you will get when the real crossfire of the campaign starts. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I'm very serious. The two words are VERY different. One meaning being disconnected from reality and suffering from hallucinations, the other meaning the disability to feel empathy for other individuals and a lack of morals. I don't think griefers are completely disconnected from reality and suffering from hallucinations, now do I? Nope, you are only referring to people who do not share your moral code as being griefers, WHICH WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS WHOLE PSYCHOPATH DISCUSSION. Maybe shouting will get past your deafened ears. Way to avoid the question once again. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only
Doonoo Boonoo	Posted - 2008.03.29 11:55:00 - [185] Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 29/03/2008 11:58:40 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I'm normally not really attached to rules and laws. They exist to serve us, not the other way around. If a rule has to be broken to get a better result for everyone (not just me as individual, only if it is better for all parties involved), then I'd say to hell with the rule. Can you explain what you mean by this? Can you give us of any examples of Eve rules that you may or may not be prepared to break and for what reason?
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.29 12:17:00 - [186] Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 29/03/2008 12:19:36 Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Can you explain what you mean by this? Oh hello Doonoo, still not tired of this? Since you've been outclassed in the other arguments, you just grab a fresh bit of meat hoping that you can find something there to use against me later on, eh? Anyway, I'll bite. Rules and laws exist to give structure to society, and in this they serve society, as they define what is acceptable conduct and what is not, in a way that the definition is acceptable for as much people as possible. However, rules are rigid, and situations may change over time, while the rule remains the same. So there may be old, leftover rules and laws, or the rule may not entirely cover the situation, or there may be an emergency in which a law is in the way of getting it resolved. Here is what happens when people take laws too seriously: Firemen refuse to extinguish house that is on fire That's definately a case where I'd have said: "To hell with the law!" I do not have any direct examples in Eve context, as these things always depend on the situation. As far as I recall at this time, there have not been any cases in the past where I had to break any rules in Eve. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.29 12:27:00 - [187] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Since you've been outclassed in the other arguments, Actually, that's really for the readers to decide, and not you. From where I am sititng your scorecard is so far in to the negative you would probably need all but 8 people to quit from Eve to have a chance of getting on the CSM ... and even then it would be close. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2008.03.29 12:31:00 - [188] Originally by: Malar Nope, you should merely acknowlege the fact that you were wrong in your statements, yet you are unable/unwilling to do that. Shame on you. Maybe that is because I'm not the one that's wrong here. Originally by: Malar I declare that i did won this discussion, so your declaration is hereby void. We can as well argue about who did won and why. Are you really this dark? A discussion is not won by stating that you've won it. You can either convince me that you are right, fail to convince me that you are right, or just plain give up. Ever since i first addressed you, you are avoiding the points i raised, yet you tell me i ignore your points. Then you even announce that you've won the discussion, as if there is anything to win in a discussion. Okay, i guess you've really won. There is no point in arguing with someone who has a big mouth to preach loudly, but no ears to actually listen. Speak for yourself, as you're the one that conveniently removes half my posted text and then pretend it wasn't addressed. Look at posts 165 and 166. Originally by: Malar I will be curious how many votes you will get with this attitude, as if there is something you can be sure of.. with your attitude, what you get now is nothing compared to what you will get when the real crossfire of the campaign starts. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I'm very serious. The two words are VERY different. One meaning being disconnected from reality and suffering from hallucinations, the other meaning the disability to feel empathy for other individuals and a lack of morals. I don't think griefers are completely disconnected from reality and suffering from hallucinations, now do I? Nope, you are only referring to people who do not share your moral code as being griefers, WHICH WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS WHOLE PSYCHOPATH DISCUSSION. Maybe shouting will get past your deafened ears. Way to avoid the question once again. Right, and what would you call people that deliberately harm other players for their own enjoyment? --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2008.03.29 12:40:00 - [189] Originally by: Avon Actually, that's really for the readers to decide, and not you. From where I am sititng your scorecard is so far in to the negative you would probably need all but 8 people to quit from Eve to have a chance of getting on the CSM ... and even then it would be close. Funny, as I've had several neutral people from other, more mature, forums read exactly this thread, and they have come to a very different conclusion than you. Also funny, that in game my campaign progresses excellent, that people agree with my statements and issues, and that I can have a normal discussion, even with PvPers. Fortunately loudmouths like you are quite underrepresented in the Eve playerbase. I think it is obvious why only so few people of the Eve playerbase post regularly on these forums. I also wonder why you are wasting your time with me. You are not going to vote for me, so changing my opinion on issues is moot for you, and no matter what you say, you will not sway other people from voting on me either. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Cipher7	Posted - 2008.03.29 12:53:00 - [190] Well you see Ahnke Eve is sort of a "pyramid scheme" of enjoyment. Its not designed for EVERYbody to enjoy, it's designed for a few to enjoy at the expense of the many. For a pirate/criminal to ply his trade someone else has to have a bad day, and its usually not 1 person having a bad day, its usually MANY people flying through the gate having a bad day. The many are sacrificed for the enjoyment of the few. HOWEVER. One caveat. This is ONLY the case because the majority of the population of Eve are essentially carebears. This is the case because Eve is the only spaceship MMO on the market right now, so the %80 carebear majority have nowhere else to go, no game company serves them. CCP serves the other %20, they have said so all along, and followed through in their actions. So when ppl tell you "Eve is a non-consentual PvP game" they're not just pulling your leg or claiming to have special knowledge, CCP has always said the same thing, but strangely enough carebears keep signing up by the droves. IF all the carebears left Eve the Eve criminal or pirate would probably quit too, because all the "soft targets" would be GONE, their nice fat targets replaced by SMART targets flying insurable t1 ships with cheap modules.

Malar HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.29 13:48:00 - [191] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Malar Nope, you should merely acknowlege the fact that you were wrong in your statements, yet you are unable/unwilling to do that. Shame on you. Maybe that is because I'm not the one that's wrong here. Oh okay.. you are not.. i get it.. you did beat us into the ground with your undisputable arguments and unquestionable evidence. Too bad i fail to find those no matter how hard i look in this thread. Still, since in your world it is whatever you say and noone can question that, you not only did win this thread, but you are by rule always right. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Speak for yourself, as you're the one that conveniently removes half my posted text and then pretend it wasn't addressed. Look at posts 165 and 166. When i have to quote you, i quote the part of your post that i address and not the post as a whole. People actually hate to see walls upon walls of quotes, so yea.. i did and will in the future trim quotes in order to keep them manageable in size. If you can show me a quote where i quote something from you out of context without giving a proper explanation of the way the quote was used by you, then please feel free to do so. Let's see your 'explanations': @165: you say that the issue was not a problem as it didnt delete or deface anything, merely added a few false kills. You draw the line if there was any serious damage. Thing is.. it is not up to you to decide what's serious and what is not. As I did say originally, that no matter what kind of abusive change it is, as long as it creates extra work for the owner of the service, it is not okay. Wanna argue about this one? I doubt you could justify any kind of abusive behavior no matter how mild it is. So my question to yo AGAIN. Are you willing to admit, that what you said about allowing some kinds of vandalism as long as it is mild and fits your ideology in the way it was rationalized to be okay is plain dumb? @166: I talk about your comparison of losing a virtual item in a game where items are meant to be destroyed, to an act of real life vandalism. I do not really see the point why you would refer to the above two posts, and I'm definitely suprised to see that you obviously think those posts prove anything even remotely close to the points you made. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Malar Nope, you are only referring to people who do not share your moral code as being griefers... Right, and what would you call people that deliberately harm other players for their own enjoyment? There we go again. The thing where you are wrong is the whole chain of what causes what. These peopel shoot ships, because this is an internet spaceship game, and they find mining boring, so they go out and do something else the game has as an activity. That they enjoy it might be related to the fact, that they are playing a game. You assume, that these people enjoy hurting the other players behind the spaceships they destroy, which is simply and plainly wrong. If you think i have no clue, then i advise you to go onto eve-search and read some posts made by csebal in 2k3 - 2k4 (my other character). Pretty much posted the same crp you post today. Only difference between the two of us is that i did get some gameplay experience in the meantime and having been on the other side as well i do not have to rely on my imagination to figure out how/why the other side thinks the way they do. here is a link for you to save the time: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/21834/page/1#17 So yea.. i know where you are coming from, and i know it is wrong. --------------------------------------------- Comments in this post are mine and mine only*
Avon Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.29 13:49:00 - [192] Originally by: Cipher7 their nice fat targets replaced by SMART targets flying insurable t1 ships with cheap modules. So you are saying that the people who would leave are STUPID people flying ships they can't afford to lose? Right. And they are the people we should be balancing the game to favour? I'm not sure I get your logic. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Doonoo Boonoo Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.29 14:31:00 - [193] Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 29/03/2008 14:35:03 Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 29/03/2008 14:34:26 Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 29/03/2008 14:31:13 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 29/03/2008 12:19:36 Rules and laws exist to give structure to society, and in this they serve society, as they define what is acceptable conduct and what is not, in a way that the definition is acceptable for as much people as possible. However, rules are rigid, and situations may change over time, while the rule remains the same. So there may be old, leftover rules and laws, or the rule may not entirely cover the situation, or there may be an emergency in which a law is in the way of getting it resolved. I do not have any direct examples in Eve context, as these things always depend on the situation. As far as I recall at this time, there have not been any cases in the past where I had to break any rules in Eve. Hmm OK.I find the bolded part a strange statement to make.Are you saying you might have but you can't remember or saying that if you have you didn't realise it at the time? I cannot seem to find anything in the EULA ,code of conduct or TOS that says it is OK to break any of the rules laid out by CCP. A rule is a rule and you agree to abide by the rulles when you install the game.Breaking ANY rule as laid down by CCP is against the TOS and the EULA. May I remind you that according to CCP: ----------------------------------------------------------- By clicking the "ACCEPT" button below, and confirming your acceptance by clicking the "CONFIRMED" button (or if you bypass or otherwise disable the "ACCEPT" and/or "CONFIRMED" buttons, and still install, copy, download, access or otherwise use the Software or the Game), you accept the terms and conditions in the EULA. If you do not accept the terms and conditions in the EULA, you must click the "DECLINE" button, discontinue use of the Software and not access the System or use EVE. CCP may terminate the EULA, close all your Accounts, and cancel all rights granted to you under the EULA if: (i) you fail to pay the subscription fee when due; (ii) CCP is unable to verify or authenticate any information you provide; (iii) you or anyone using any of your Accounts materially breaches the EULA, makes any unauthorized use of the System or Software, or infringes the rights of CCP or any third party; or (iv) CCP becomes aware of game play, chat or player activity under your Account that is, in CCP's discretion, inappropriate or in violation of the Rules of Conduct. You will not encourage others to break these rules or any rules set forth in relation to EVE OnlineÆs game service or web site. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU AGREE TO THESE RULES AND WILL ABIDE BY THEM. ----------------------------------------------------------- Anybody installing the game accepts the rules and agrees to adhere to them.There is NEVER any situation where breaking the rules is anything else than an infringement of the EULA, TOS or code of conduct.
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.29 14:33:00 - [194] Originally by: Malar Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Speak for yourself, as you're the one that conveniently removes half my posted text and then pretend it wasn't addressed. Look at posts 165 and 166. When i have to quote you, i quote the part of your post that i address and not the post as a whole. People actually hate to see walls upon walls of quotes, so yea.. i did and will in the future trim quotes in order to keep them manageable in size. If you can show me a quote where i quote something from you out of context without giving a proper explanation of the way the quote was used by you, then please feel free to do so. Fair. I was particularly annoyed how you continued to say that I supported 'hacking'. It wasn't a hack, and like I said, I would have reacted in a different way if the site was defaced or all the data deleted, etc. Originally by: Malar Let's see your 'explanations': @165: you say that the issue was not a problem as it didnt delete or deface anything, merely added a few false kills. You draw the line if there was any serious damage. Thing is.. it is not up to you to decide what's serious and what is not. As I did say originally, that no matter what kind of abusive change it is, as long as it creates extra work for the owner of the service, it is not okay. Wanna argue about this one? I doubt you could justify any kind of abusive behavior no matter how mild it is. So my question to yo AGAIN. Are you willing to admit, that what you said about allowing some kinds of vandalism as long as it is mild and fits your ideology in the way it was rationalized to be okay is plain dumb? I have already explained how I got plenty of experience to determine if something is serious or not. And if we draw the line like this, then what about someone that registers on a private pirate forum, gets admitted, and then posts a single post full of protests about pirate behaviour? I'd say it would be very funny if it happened, you could arguably call that vandalism too, and it causes about the same amount of 'work' as this little prank. I wonder again, why are you so concerned with this issue? It's just one line of text in a topic about a killboard that was affected for a few hours at most. I think it's blown way out of proportion. As for your question, I did not just react in the way I did because of them being pirates, I also thought it was funny to post losses on a killer forum. The same way that these kinds of harmless real hacks are funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea4eft_3p-I If something funny happened to a site sharing my ideology, or even my own site, and no damage was done, I'd laugh at it just as hard. My reply would have been different, but I wouldn't condemn the action just because I happened to like the owners of the site. I'm not a hypocrite. Need to go, no time to address your other point right now. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.29 14:37:00 - [195] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo There is NEVER any situation where breaking the rules is anything else than an infringement of the EULA, TOS or code of conduct. No, but there could be a situation where breaking the rules (and possibly suffering the consequences for breaking them) is best for all parties involved, see firemen example. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Doonoo Boonoo	Posted - 2008.03.29 15:02:00 - [196] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo There is NEVER any situation where breaking the rules is anything else than an infringement of the EULA, TOS or code of conduct. No, but there could be a situation where breaking the rules (and possibly suffering the consequences for breaking them) is best for all parties involved, see firemen example. And what if 1 of those Fireman had been wounded or died when fighting the fire?Would his Widow and children be happy that they will recieve nothing because he was somewhere he shouldn't have been?What if they accidentally ran over the neighbours dog when leaving?They could sue the Fire Department. Your comparison is fail.We are specifically talking about the EULA,code of conduct and TOS of Eve.Please stick to the point.
Meldrynn skank Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.29 15:17:00 - [197] Ankhesentapemkah is the most professional Troll I have ever seen.
csebal HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.29 15:21:00 - [198] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah And if we draw the line like this, then what about someone that registers on a private pirate forum, gets admitted, and then posts a single post full of protests about pirate behaviour? I'd say it would be very funny if it happened, you could arguably call that vandalism too, and it causes about the same amount of 'work' as this little prank. So just because you consider it a little prank it is suddenly okay? If it is not your work to clear up after the guy then it is suddenly 'work' in quotation marks? Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I wonder again, why are you so concerned with this issue? It's just one line of text in a topic about a killboard that was affected for a few hours at most. I think it's blown way out of proportion. Lemme help you clear up the misunderstanding here. This is - and never was - not about the issue with the specific vandalism on the specific killboard. This is about how you reacted / react to that issue. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah As for your question, I did not just react in the way I did because of them being pirates, I also thought it was funny to post losses on a killer forum. If something funny happened to a site sharing my ideology, or even my own site, and no damage was done, I'd laugh at it just as hard. My reply would have been different, but I wouldn't condemn the action just because I happened to like the owners of the site. I'm not a hypocrite. Please do not act as if people around you would be completely dumb. Do you seriously want me to believe, that you would laugh if someone would have pulled a childish prank that required potentially hours from you to clear up? Lets forget about the killboard. We are talking principles here. Can vandalism be justified or considered okay, no matter how small in nature it is? My post does not represent the general or official opinion of anyone else besides me. No matter what YOU believe. Phear the arrows of the HUNs >>---->
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.29 15:58:00 - [199] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo And what if 1 of those Fireman had been wounded or died when fighting the fire?Would his Widow and children be happy that they will recieve nothing because he was somewhere he shouldn't have been?What if they accidentally ran over the neighbours dog when leaving?They could sue the Fire Department. And what if someone was in that burning house and died? There are more people dying to fires than there are firemen dying, so that was much more likely to happen than your hypothetical scenarios. Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Your comparison is fail.We are specifically talking about the EULA,code of conduct and TOS of Eve.Please stick to the point. You're one big pile of fail. You brought up the EULA stuff, not me, in one your pathetic attempts to make me say stuff you can somehow twist to use against me. You're again attempting to make links that do not exist. Let me illustrate how I feel you are thinking: "Oh she wants to break rules if that is for the greater good! Juicy story, as I previously falsely accused her of violating forum rules! See if I can frame her for violating the EULA every other day too!" You've shown your true nature over and over again, and I'm not interested in any further discussions with you, they are a complete waste of time, as you do not want to look at my position, but instead only try to maneuver me in a position where you can shoot me down. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
csebal HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.29 15:58:00 - [200] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo There is NEVER any situation where breaking the rules is anything else than an infringement of the EULA, TOS or code of conduct. No, but there could be a situation where breaking the rules (and possibly suffering the consequences for breaking them) is best for all parties involved, see firemen example. just one post and 4 minutes earlier: Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Need to go, no time to address your other point right now. Yet you did find time to address someone elses point eh? I feel offended :P It might be a good time to start conspiracy theories on why you wouldnt want to face the last few lines of my post. My post does not represent the general or official opinion of anyone else besides me. No matter what YOU believe. Phear the arrows of the HUNs >>---->

Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:19:00 - [201] Originally by: csebal So just because you consider it a little prank it is suddenly okay? If it is not your work to clear up after the guy then it is suddenly 'work' in quotation marks? I have already clarified why it is okay, when it is okay, and how it is irrelevant which parties are involved. I'm not going to repeat myself when I have already provided sufficient reasons. Originally by: csebal Lemme help you clear up the misunderstanding here. This is - and never was - not about the issue with the specific vandalism on the specific killboard. This is about how you reacted / react to that issue. I understand that perfectly, and I see nothing wrong with my reactions. Especially not something worth apologizing over, as some demanded. Originally by: csebal Please do not act as if people around you would be completely dumb. Do you seriously want me to believe, that you would laugh if someone would have pulled a childish prank that required potentially hours from you to clear up? Lets forget about the killboard. We are talking principles here. Can vandalism be justified or considered okay, no matter how small in nature it is? Yes, however in such a case it would not be called vandalism. And, surprise, I got some nice jurisprudence for you. You see, the people that manipulated that video I posted, they got caught and arrested. They got hauled to court. They got away with it scott-free. The judge saw what it was, a harmless prank. Linky! --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:21:00 - [202] Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 29/03/2008 16:23:57 Originally by: csebal just one post and 4 minutes earlier: Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Need to go, no time to address your other point right now. Yet you did find time to address someone elses point eh? I feel offended :P It might be a good time to start conspiracy theories on why you wouldnt want to face the last few lines of my post. Yeah, typing one line of text really compares to addressing a long argument eh? You can also see that after that, I was gone for about 1h 30m. Conspiracy theory ahead. Edit: Oh I have another conspiracy theory by the way. It just seems that you admit that you are Malar's alt. This would make it seem that there are more people against me than there are. Perhaps other people in this thread are alts of eachother too. Perhaps it's all just a scheme of some that want to discredit me! --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
Doonoo Boonoo Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:29:00 - [203] Avoiding my question by asking another question is not a valid form of discussion. Again,I refer back to the fact that when you install Eve you agree not to break any of its rules under any circumstances. You seem to think that there is some 'loop hole' or 'get out clause' or exceptions to the rules.There are no exceptions. Read and comprehend.
Ankhesentapemkah Aliastra	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:34:00 - [204] As for the last points: Quote: There we go again. The thing where you are wrong is the whole chain of what causes what. These people shoot ships, because this is an internet spaceship game, and they find mining boring, so they go out and do something else the game has as an activity. That they enjoy it might be related to the fact, that they are playing a game. You assume, that these people enjoy hurting the other players behind the spaceships they destroy, which is simply and plainly wrong. Then why the frequent "carebear tears are delicious" comments, the smacktalking to add insult to injury, and people taking pride when they manage to grief someone out of the game? No, not all PVPers are like this, but there is no escaping that there are players that either love to hurt others like traditional schoolyard bullies, or simply do not take into account the feelings of the players they are harming with their actions. Quote: If you think i have no clue, then i advise you to go onto eve-search and read some posts made by csebal in 2k3 - 2k4 (my other character). Pretty much posted the same cr*p you post today. Only difference between the two of us is that i did get some gameplay experience in the meantime and having been on the other side as well i do not have to rely on my imagination to figure out how/why the other side thinks the way they do. here is a link for you to save the time: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/21834/page/1#17 So yea.. i know where you are coming from, and i know it is wrong. Ah okay so you two are the same person, sorry I didn't read that earlier. I'll take a look at these posts later, it sure would be interesting. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
csebal	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:37:00 - [205] Edited by: csebal on 29/03/2008 16:41:35 ... My post does not represent the general or official opinion of anyone else besides me. No matter what YOU believe. Phear the arrows of the HUNs >>---->
Ankhesentapemkah	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:38:00 - [206] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Avoiding my question by asking another question is not a valid form of discussion. Again,I refer back to the fact that when you install Eve you agree not to break any of its rules under any circumstances. You seem to think that there is some 'loop hole' or 'get out clause' or exceptions to the rules.There are no exceptions. Read and comprehend. That is not what I said, but I'm used to your twisting of words by now. I'm not even going to bother explaining. Bye. --- Take Care is the CSM party for the free and independant players! Contact us and let us relay your ideas to CCP! Visit our Campaign Website
MongWen	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:39:00 - [207] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 29/03/2008 16:23:57 Originally by: csebal just one post and 4 minutes earlier: Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Need to go, no time to address your other point right now. Yet you did find time to address someone elses point eh? I feel offended :P It might be a good time to start conspiracy theories on why you wouldnt want to face the last few lines of my post. Yeah, typing one line of text really compares to addressing a long argument eh? You can also see that after that, I was gone for about 1h 30m. Conspiracy theory ahead. Edit: Oh I have another conspiracy theory by the way. It just seems that you admit that you are Malar's alt. This would make it seem that there are more people against me than there are. Perhaps other people in this thread are alts of eachother too. Perhaps it's all just a scheme of some that want to discredit me! I am no ones alt, and I have not posted with an alt in this tread and I think you are well on your way to discredit your self. Since all this mudslinging even before the major discussions about who people will vote for. Remember what you say or how you act can come back and bite you in any political running. Oh on a side note to the ones that are running for CSM, please stop making promises to change this and that, the CSM will have no power over EvE or CCP. And will be a the ones that have communication with CCP and community on issues/ideas off the community and CCP. ------------------------- Vote MongWen For The CMS. [Campaign Site]
Doonoo Boonoo	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:43:00 - [208] Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 29/03/2008 16:44:37 Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Avoiding my question by asking another question is not a valid form of discussion. Again,I refer back to the fact that when you install Eve you agree not to break any of its rules under any circumstances. You seem to think that there is some 'loop hole' or 'get out clause' or exceptions to the rules.There are no exceptions. Read and comprehend. That is not what I said, but I'm used to your twisting of words by now. I'm not even going to bother explaining. Bye. K Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah I'm normally not really attached to rules and laws. They exist to serve us, not the other way around. If a rule has to be broken to get a better result for everyone (not just me as individual, only if it is better for all parties involved), then I'd say to hell with the rule. Read.Comprehend.
csebal HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:58:00 - [209] Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Then why the frequent "carebear tears are delicious" comments, the smacktalking to add insult to injury, and people taking pride when they manage to grief someone out of the game? Frequent? The verbal abuse usually initiated by the victim. Sure the killers are rarely disciplined enough to not talk back.. and quite honestly, you can't really blame them. If someone is stupid enough to get killed - and it is painfully simple to avoid death with some precautions - then gets upset and emotional about it, then that someone deserves to get his ego pounded to the ground. Pride in making people quit? Hardly. Answering the 'omgiquit' threads with 'kthxgoodbye'? Sure. Seriously.. what else can you say to a person who quits a game over some losses, when the game is literally based on blowing up stuff? Nothing. Sure the like minded people will jump and rabble about pshychopathic behavior and stuff like that, but that will not make the whiner right. It simply shows that he is not the only one playing the wrong game. Im not saying that pvp is the way to go. Im merely saying that it is a part of eve, and the sooner you accept that, the sooner you will have a better gaming experience. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah No, not all PVPers are like this, but there is no escaping that there are players that either love to hurt others like traditional schoolyard bullies, or simply do not take into account the feelings of the players they are harming with their actions. To me it pretty much looks like you are singling out pvpers for the simple fact that combat is the prime example of a player hurting another player. You conveniently forget about scammers, ore thieves and all the other people who make a living on the cost of someone else. Hell.. a guy who ruins the market on an item by placing ridiculously low priced items on the market can cause just as much grief as someone who blows up your ship. I do not see you preaching against them. Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah Ah okay so you two are the same person, sorry I didn't read that earlier. I'll take a look at these posts later, it sure would be interesting. The correct sentence would read like: "I apologize for the false accusations earlier, i was stupid not to read you post before making them. I didnt realize both are your characters". Obviously apologies are a rare commodity over there. Nevermind, i forgive ya. My post does not represent the general or official opinion of anyone else besides me. No matter what YOU believe. Phear the arrows of the HUNs >>---->
Cipher7	Posted - 2008.03.29 17:19:00 - [210] Originally by: Avon Originally by: Cipher7 their nice fat targets replaced by SMART targets flying insurable t1 ships with cheap modules. So you are saying that the people who would leave are STUPID people flying ships they can't afford to lose? Yes. Originally by: Avon And they are the people we should be balancing the game to favour? I'm not sure I get your logic. Stupid people are the overwhelming majority in the world and they are also the overwhelming majority in Eve. And yes we must be inclusive of them, because we need them like the farmer needs his sheep. If everybody was as smart as you, would you get the same amount of kills or less? Would you get t2 modules as loot or t1? Would you have as many repeat customers for your empire manufacturing business who need a new ship? The Eve economy is not based on PvP, it's based on LOSS, someone has to LOSE their gear to buy near one. It doesn't matter if they fought back or not, it doesn't matter if they were in a war or not, it doesn't matter if they were afk or not. They simply have to lose something, for someone else to SELL something. Who lose things the most? Dumb people. Who gets ganked in lowsec carrying all their worldly possessions? Dumb people. Who joins Black Nova Corporation and....JUST KIDDING. Eve needs dumb people like a fat man needs cake. Without dumb people Eve will die faster than Jimmy Hoffa.

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