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Mors Magne
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:02:00 -
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According to MMORPG.com, CCP are considering a stock release:
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/loadNews/23621
I'm not sure I like the sound of this. Does this mean that CCP could be bought out by another company who couldn't care as much about us players?
Should we be seeking reassurance from CCP? |
Samuel Moore Walton
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
4
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:03:00 -
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They could put facebook style IPO up there and only allow 5% of the company to be traded. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:05:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:Should we be seeking reassurance from CCP?
LOL, maybe you should file a petition.
And maybe post in the other thread regarding this matter instead of creating another thread:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72772
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Mors Magne
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:06:00 -
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Samuel Moore Walton wrote:They could put facebook style IPO up there and only allow 5% of the company to be traded.
I fear it could be the 'thin end of the wedge' though. If CCP get into the habit of stock releases... |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
513
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:08:00 -
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They couldn't care less!
Would be cool. I know I would buy up as much as possible, clean house like the Dark Knight!
-á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Mors Magne
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:11:00 -
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No. The other post dosen't focus on the most important piece of information. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:12:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:No. The other post dosen't focus on the most important piece of information.
Which I am guessing you think is you?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Mors Magne
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:15:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Mors Magne wrote:No. The other post dosen't focus on the most important piece of information. Which I am guessing you think is you?
Perhaps with idiots like you in the community we deserve to have Eve Online sold away. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:20:00 -
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Don't worry, I'll buy them out before any others do. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
414
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:26:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Mors Magne wrote:No. The other post dosen't focus on the most important piece of information. Which I am guessing you think is you? Perhaps with idiots like you in the community we deserve to have Eve Online sold away.
CCP can do what they wish with their company at any time and don't need to consult with, or reassure players before making business decisions. Players are not shareholders.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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AureoBroker
Natural Inventions Solyaris Chtonium
3
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:32:00 -
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Strangely enough, unlike any other game, i suspect the EVE playerbase would have more than a few people wanting to buy stock.
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Mors Magne
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:42:00 -
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I quote Doc Fury from a previous post:
"CCP can do what they wish with their company at any time and don't need to consult with, or reassure players before making business decisions. Players are not shareholders. "
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I don't think the situation is quite as straight-forward as that. Much of what makes Eve special is the relationship between CCP and the players.
If CCP release stock in a certain way, the shareholders could have the most power.
(The last thing anyone wants is a situation like Star Wars Galaxies, when Sony 'improved' the game in an attempt to make it more lucrative. Of course, we all know what happened next - SWG closed down.) |
Mors Magne
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:44:00 -
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AureoBroker wrote:Strangely enough, unlike any other game, i suspect the EVE playerbase would have more than a few people wanting to buy stock.
The problem is that you are assuming things. We don't know how the stocks are to be released. It might be that the shares are released in bulk, so that only companies can afford them. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
415
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:46:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:
If CCP release stock in a certain way, the shareholders could have the most power.
Still not seeing anything unique to this thread or anything new regarding how businesses and being a shareholder works in the real world, or why CCP owes you or anyone "reassurances" about how they choose to manage their company.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
AureoBroker
Natural Inventions Solyaris Chtonium
3
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:47:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:AureoBroker wrote:Strangely enough, unlike any other game, i suspect the EVE playerbase would have more than a few people wanting to buy stock.
The problem is that you are assuming things. We don't know how the stocks are to be released. It might be that the shares are released in bulk, so that only companies can afford them. Yeah. Since we all know demand and offer, CCP should know that letting players buy stock would increase demand, and highen the price. So, if the aim is to raise money with an IPO, it probably makes sense to deliver atleast part in "retail". Oh, and i don't think they'll sell the whole company. Anything sub-49% means not losing control (although a part of reliquished, sure) |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
481
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:48:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:
CCP can do what they wish with their company at any time and don't need to consult with, or reassure players before making business decisions. Players are not shareholders.
We are "shareholders" in a manner of speaking and if you want evidence of that, just look back at last year and what has happened since.
I say, that does carry enough weight for CCP to reassure us that they are taking good care of their product(s) and the company. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
415
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:55:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
CCP can do what they wish with their company at any time and don't need to consult with, or reassure players before making business decisions. Players are not shareholders.
We are "shareholders" in a manner of speaking and if you want evidence of that, just look back at last year and what has happened since. I say, that does carry enough weight for CCP to reassure us that they are taking good care of their product(s) and the company.
You should file a petition or write a strongly worded letter to Hilmar demanding reassurances then. Let us know what the result is.
Being a shareholder "in a manner of speaking" conveys no rights or special considerations to players no matter what you want to believe.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
513
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:56:00 -
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AureoBroker wrote:Strangely enough, unlike any other game, i suspect the EVE playerbase would have more than a few people wanting to buy stock.
We are a bunch of rich fukkrrs aren't we.
All the plex some of you buy makes me feel poor.
Hey can you buy stock with a Visa? -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:57:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote: We don't know how the stocks are to be released. It might be that the shares are released in bulk, so that only companies can afford them.
Mors Magne wrote:The problem is that you are assuming things.
Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
481
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Posted - 2012.02.23 16:06:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Alpheias wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
CCP can do what they wish with their company at any time and don't need to consult with, or reassure players before making business decisions. Players are not shareholders.
We are "shareholders" in a manner of speaking and if you want evidence of that, just look back at last year and what has happened since. I say, that does carry enough weight for CCP to reassure us that they are taking good care of their product(s) and the company. You should file a petition or write a strongly worded letter to Hilmar demanding reassurances then. Let us know what the result is. Being a shareholder "in a manner of speaking" conveys no rights or special considerations to players no matter what you want to believe.
You missed the memo where Hilmar made a public apology to the EVE community.
And you are right. But because of the size of the company, my vote (backed by my wallet) also weighs more on CCP than what it would on bloated giants like Activision-Blizzard or EA. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
418
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Posted - 2012.02.23 16:13:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Alpheias wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
CCP can do what they wish with their company at any time and don't need to consult with, or reassure players before making business decisions. Players are not shareholders.
We are "shareholders" in a manner of speaking and if you want evidence of that, just look back at last year and what has happened since. I say, that does carry enough weight for CCP to reassure us that they are taking good care of their product(s) and the company. You should file a petition or write a strongly worded letter to Hilmar demanding reassurances then. Let us know what the result is. Being a shareholder "in a manner of speaking" conveys no rights or special considerations to players no matter what you want to believe. You missed the memo where Hilmar made a public apology to the EVE community. And you are right. But because of the size of the company, my vote (backed by my wallet) also weighs more on CCP than what it would on bloated giants like Activision-Blizzard or EA.
Nope, his letter (and his return to sanity) was instrumental in my return to the New Eden sandbox.
You are 100% correct about voting with your wallet, but that's the only vote you or I will get unless we hold some actual shares in CCP.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Mors Magne
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.23 19:04:00 -
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AureoBroker wrote:Mors Magne wrote:AureoBroker wrote:Strangely enough, unlike any other game, i suspect the EVE playerbase would have more than a few people wanting to buy stock.
The problem is that you are assuming things. We don't know how the stocks are to be released. It might be that the shares are released in bulk, so that only companies can afford them. Yeah. Since we all know demand and offer, CCP should know that letting players buy stock would increase demand, and highen the price. So, if the aim is to raise money with an IPO, it probably makes sense to deliver atleast part in "retail". Oh, and i don't think they'll sell the whole company. Anything sub-49% means not losing control (although a part of reliquished, sure)
Oh, you are so naive!
Imagine you are BioWare or EA Games - CCP is a much smaller, but surprisingly successful competor (to SWTOR).
It would be very tempting indeed to buy all CCP's shares (under a different company name), and then strip all of CCP's assets.
This is just one possible scenario. |
Eian
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:07:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Mors Magne wrote:
If CCP release stock in a certain way, the shareholders could have the most power.
Still not seeing anything unique to this thread or anything new regarding how businesses and being a shareholder works in the real world, or why CCP owes you or anyone "reassurances" about how they choose to manage their company.
You are correct, they don't own anyone any of those things. However, the perception of what they do is everything and determines if those shareholders are actually making any return on their investment or are left share holding a pile of worthless ****.
Keep your community college degree where it belongs, in your glove box.
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highonpop
Void.Tech BLACK-MARK
10
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Posted - 2012.02.24 00:32:00 -
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There was another thread about this the other day.
I doubt CCP could go through with an IPO because shareholders are a bit more demanding than a bunch of Apocs in Jita putting on a light show... |
Jita Alt666
933
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Posted - 2012.02.24 01:56:00 -
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Did they manage to get their loan paid off? |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
766
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Posted - 2012.02.24 03:24:00 -
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KEEP CCP A PRIVATE COMPANY!
No to public trading.
Also, its much easier to handle legal matters if you are not a public company. |
tikktokk tokkzikk
Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent
27
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Posted - 2012.02.24 04:38:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
CCP can do what they wish with their company at any time and don't need to consult with, or reassure players before making business decisions. Players are not shareholders.
We are "shareholders" in a manner of speaking and if you want evidence of that, just look back at last year and what has happened since. I say, that does carry enough weight for CCP to reassure us that they are taking good care of their product(s) and the company.
Wrong!
They wouldn't give a rat's arse about us. EVE would be WoW in space which would mean we would quit anyways. |
Mors Magne
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
14
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Posted - 2012.02.24 11:41:00 -
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I think the job of this thread is done: As long as a enough people are aware of the possible danger of a stock release, that hopefully will be enough to prevent a catastrophic decision.
The 'worst case scenario' is if CCP release enough stock for a 'hostile takeover' to be mounted.
I reckon CCP would be an ideal company for a hostile takeover - a relatively small company on the cutting edge of technology, producing stable profit. |
Willmahh
Ace Adventure Corp Blue Meanies
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:05:00 -
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Mors Magne wrote:I quote Doc Fury from a previous post:
(The last thing anyone wants is a situation like Star Wars Galaxies, when Sony 'improved' the game in an attempt to make it more lucrative. Of course, we all know what happened next - SWG closed down.)
yeah... 6 years later....
They initially did lose most of their player base with the "improvements" but recovered over time.
They closed because Lucas didn't renew their franchise in the shadow of the new MMO. |
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